EmDrive Could Lead To Warp Drive

[mapuc]

As a Sci-fi fan especially Star Trek fan, this sound wonderful..one step closer.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2040259/did-nasa-just-accidentally-produce-a-warp-bubble-emdrive-could-lead-to-warp-drive/

NASA scientists working on a project called EmDrive have accidentally stumbled upon something that will send science fiction junkies into a frenzy.

I love science news like this one

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[Oberon]

Stranger things have resulted from accidents. Faster than light though, now that's impressive and will require quite a few laws of physics to be rewritten.

The most immediate beneficiary of this discovery could well be the Mission to Mars, allowing for instantaneous communications via FTL laser bursts. Heck, probes being sent to Mars and other planets would benefit from real or near real time telemetry and control.

Actual physical FTL travel is still a ways off though, but if the principles of it can be proven as sound, then that's a huge first step.

I love science. :up:

[Wolferz]

I love it when science fiction becomes science fact:up:

We've already seen the Star Trek data pad become reality.:salute:

We should see a LCARS system before we know it.:D

[mapuc]

A funny thought of this

If NASA is successfully in testing the warp drive in space, will we be contacted by Vulcan's or some other alien races ?

Markus

[Oberon]

One could argue that we're already part way to LCARS with touch-screen technology and icons, mobile touch-screen phones with predictive text. Although I must admit, I never saw Captain Picard swearing when his text message auto-correct to the Romulans created a diplomatic incident.

Anyway, hate to put a dampener on things, but I've had a chat with my sciency friends who are much more up on these things than I am, and they've both said that it's most likely a false measurement. We've had quite a few false alarms before, when something has happened once but failed to live up to expectations when repeated.

If it consistently performs as expected though, then things get very interesting. :yep:

[Oberon]

A funny thought of this

If NASA is successfully in testing the warp drive in space, will we be contacted by Vulcan's or some other alien races ?

Markus

They could well have already rocked up, seen our reaction to human beings that are not the same as us, and decided they'd be better off leaving this planet alone. :03:

[Raptor1]

IIRC there were reported problems with NASA's testing of the (so-called) EmDrive in the past, so I'd very much doubt this is anything but a measurement error. There's always the chance that they stumbled on something, but I doubt it.

Well, I guess if they ever get something like the EmDrive to work in the first place we might as well throw out the laws of physics altogether, including relativity. That doesn't seem too likely, though...

[Rockstar]

Im pretty sure nothing can travel faster than light in its own frame of reference. The Alcubierre drive theory (warp bubble) is one thought how an object of mass may one day may travel faster than the speed of light without throwing out the laws of physics.

[Catfish]

^
Ok let's say a spacecraft would be able to reach 1/2 of the speed of light, or maybe a bit more. Lots of reaction mass or a buzzard ram drive required, but theoretically possible.

Now you have two of them, and let them start in opposite directions ..

When each reaches 1/2 c, one is travelling at the speed of light, relatively to the other.
Not relatively to the starting point, of course, but ..

[Jimbuna]

They could well have already rocked up, seen our reaction to human beings that are not the same as us, and decided they'd be better off leaving this planet alone. :03:

I should imagine so :)

[Raptor1]

Im pretty sure nothing can travel faster than light in its own frame of reference. The Alcubierre drive theory (warp bubble) is one thought how an object of mass may one day may travel faster than the speed of light without throwing out the laws of physics.

The Alcubierre drive still violates causality, even if the ship doesn't travel faster than light in its own frame of reference.

^
Ok let's say a spacecraft would be able to reach 1/2 of the speed of light, or maybe a bit more. Lots of reaction mass or a buzzard ram drive required, but theoretically possible.

Now you have two of them, and let them start in opposite directions ..

When each reaches 1/2 c, one is travelling at the speed of light, relatively to the other.
Not relatively to the starting point, of course, but ..

Actually, in this case special relativity says that each ship would see the other travelling at only...0.8c relative to its own frame of reference, I believe.

[Catfish]

^
I would say that if both ships transgress the 1/2 c speed, they would simply "vanish", for the other. Not in a flash, just becoming invisible.

(Of course, "seeing" each other would be impossible, at the range they had both travelled until raching this speed – given our recent "exploits" in starship drives :oops: )

How fast are galaxies travelling ? In relation to others ? How fast do they turn ? :06:

[Eichhörnchen]

They could well have already rocked up, seen our reaction to human beings that are not the same as us, and decided they'd be better off leaving this planet alone. :03:


http://i.imgur.com/rwSDszH.jpg?1

"I regret we must cut short our visit to your planet and return to our own home, Earthman, as we are afraid we may have left the gas on..."

[Aktungbby]

A funny thought of this

If NASA is successfully in testing the warp drive in space, will we be contacted by Vulcan's or some other alien races ?

Markus
Ve already did!:know: https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/_/rsrc/1284876672951/home/Die_Glocke.jpg (https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/home/Die_Glocke.jpg?attredirects=0)

[Rhodes]

http://growabrain.typepad.com/growabrain/images/nimoy_nazi.jpg
:hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

^

How fast are galaxies travelling ? In relation to others ? How fast do they turn ? :06:
The rotational period is about 240 million years at the position of the Sun The Milky Way as a whole is moving at a velocity of approximately 600 km per second with respect to extragalactic frames of reference. The Milky Way alone contains between 200 and 400 billion stars and at least 100 billion planets. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Milky_Way_Arms.svg/220px-Milky_Way_Arms.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Milky_Way_Arms.svg) Considering that you are spinning on the earths axis: 1000 mph and circling the sun: We are approximately 93 million miles (150 million km) from the Sun, and at that distance, it takes us one year (365 days) to go around once. The full path of the Earth's orbit is close to 600 million miles (970 million km). To go around this immense circle in one year takes a speed of 66,000 miles per hour (107,000 km/hr) (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=356)3 (http://astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/howfast.html#r3). At this speed, you could get from San Francisco to Washington DC in 3 minutes. http://astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/images/milkyway_ill.jpgIn addition to which...Space itself is pulling apart at the seams, expanding at a rate of 74.3 plus or minus 2.1 kilometers (46.2 plus or minus 1.3 miles) per second per megaparsec (a megaparsec is roughly 3 million light-years). If those numbers are a little too much to contemplate, rest assured that's really, really fast. And it's getting faster all the time. In short you, a genetically engineered snack for visiting grey's, are in a four-way travel /speed mode! You can communicate with me in a second !:rock:....and need not worry about warp drive-we're already warped enough! und haulin' Aß BBY:know:

[Catfish]

Wow thanks Aktungbby!

And yes, i could and should have googled that myself .. however even theoretically "knowing" this does not quite lead to a real 'proportional' perception of cosmic speeds, and distances..

Regarding "the Bell", and Spock .. :haha: :03:

b.t.w. does 'aktungbby" refer to the U2 record, back then :hmmm:

[August]

They could well have already rocked up, seen our reaction to human beings that are not the same as us, and decided they'd be better off leaving this planet alone. :03:

Doubt it seeing as if they indeed had such a reaction they'd have wiped us out already. After all you don't wait for the weed to grow into a tree before pulling it. :)

[Aktungbby]

Wow thanks Aktungbby!


b.t.w. does 'aktungbby" refer to the U2 record, back then :hmmm:

:sign_yeah: Precisely! with a little 666 thrown in...for a devilish good timehttp://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?pictureid=7048&albumid=815&dl=1381536131&thumb=1 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=815)U-666's first emblem http://uboat.net/boats/u666.htm (http://uboat.net/boats/u666.htm) Mysteriously Lost in this mess: http://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_mariner/vol05/tnm_5_1_33-43.pdf (http://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_mariner/vol05/tnm_5_1_33-43.pdf) as part of wolfpack IGEL 2/10/44 but found again on a Mtn top in N. Carolina??!:shifty: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMzUzNzg0OTQwOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDYxMDY2OQ@@._ V1_SX214_AL_.jpgHot Damn!:arrgh!:The emblem used in the movie is the same as my avater! so good production values IMHO!:salute:

[Oberon]

Doubt it seeing as if they indeed had such a reaction they'd have wiped us out already. After all you don't wait for the weed to grow into a tree before pulling it. :)

http://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif

Valid point. :haha: :yep:

[August]

http://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif

Valid point. :haha: :yep:

Course they might just be waiting for us to grow out of our "pot" (earth). :D

[XabbaRus]

I read that as grow some pot. Lol take me to your dealer.

[Wolferz]

Once you accept that space is nothing expanding into something...

Then you can wear stripes with plaid without fear of repercussions.
:yeah:

[Aktungbby]

Once you accept that space is nothing expanding into something...

Then you can wear stripes with plaid without fear of repercussions.
:yeah:

OOOOH!:03: Pearls o' wisdom from a cosmic bilgerat:yeah:...cast before swine!http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e2ed8e7083d2a80ece8e7712da1256e7?convert_to_webp=t rue<things are looking up!??:woot:!https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/science-intelligent_design-big_bang_theory-cosmos-creation-expanding_universe-bven725_low.jpghttps://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/education-teaching-cosmology-big_bang-birth_of_the_universe-fabric_of_space-quantum_mechanics-dgrn315_low.jpg

[vienna]

One could argue that we're already part way to LCARS with touch-screen technology and icons, mobile touch-screen phones with predictive text. Although I must admit, I never saw Captain Picard swearing when his text message auto-correct to the Romulans created a diplomatic incident.



...nor do I recall him ever saying "Damn, I've only got one bar" or "Damn these 2 year contracts"...


http://www.mrericsir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/picard-angry-birds.png



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[mapuc]

My Sci-fi/science heart became so happy when I read about it.

Well as some one in the thread wrote-it could very well be wrong in the measuring.

Now I wait for the next article in this adventure, who will either confirm it or say it was a false alarm

Markus