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I doubt the Tories will get through in 2020, at least Cameron is smart enough to know that the only Tory that managed three terms was Maggie and then her own party assassinated her.
We had 18 years of the Tories from '79 to '97, and that was a rarity, normally two terms is the limit, but it all depends on whether Labour and the Lib Dems will actually learn from this election or not. I mean everyone could see the collapse of the Lib Dems coming, I could have told you in 2011 that the Lib Dems as a party were finished in the next election. Clegg should have stood down earlier than today and let the party vote in a new untainted leader, and perhaps then they could have survived.
Of course, if Boris manages to be Mayor, MP AND candidate for PM then all bets are off, the British public seem to love BoJo, and whilst I can understand his charm, he's still an Etonian Tory with no idea about the other half of the spectrum of British life.
That is the elephant in the room, only Boris looks cool, gets down with the people, doesn't mind looking a fool slipping up in a river or stuck on a high wire but in the end he is still a Tory Etonian and people think he will remain the fluffy bunny Mayor rabbit if he takes the leadership of the Tory party. No way, out pops the lion to carry on the terror campaign.
Just listening on the radio the Tories got 24% and NOTA 34%. :o
None of the above is what people write on their ballot paper if they do not agree with or want to vote for the party's in their area. It shows they made the effort to visit their polling station to voice their protest unlike sitting on your arse which plays in the hands of the establishment.
ExFishermanBob
05-09-15, 04:37 AM
Ah, but I'm not despairing!:O: Politically I'd place myself to the right of the Lib-Dems, but left of the Tories. The SNP can throw it's toys out of the pram bellowing about the so-called "democratic deficit", but they're largely irrelevant. England says so. Nothing they can do about it. If they carry on as they are, English MP's of all parties will not work with them. Period. They're own constituents won't forgive them if they do.
It would appear that Murphy isn't stepping down as Scottish Labour Leader, so it's now obvious he's going to try his hand at Holyrood. Although I do believe that the various "branch offices" should split off and become truly Scottish, my main concern is that other than the Tories, all the Scottish parties are so damned left wing!:/\\!!
I think Scotland needs a "steel bath" economic lesson, and a harsh one at that. My fellow Scots need to learn that the Scottish financial pool is rather shallower than the UK's, regardless of what guff the SNP come out with.
Austerity? Wait until you see what happens when Scotland has to live within it's own financial means. We can't keep shoveling money into those areas that can't (or won't) pull their own weight economically.:hmmm:
Mike.
I'm quite sanguine about it myself:yep: - having lived through Major's years with a slim majority and knowing how split the Cons are over Europe it will be fun to watch. Don't forget, the Cons have gone from a majority of about 40 seats down to 12.
The EU-Cons need that block of SNP to counter their own back-benchers who will revolt during the EU-ref bill. Look out for more concessions than expected to come to Scotland (in fact that's already started).
What I would really like to see is a change from the FPTP voting system: when you look at the 1 or 2 seats some parties got for millions of votes against the 8 or 9 for a few hundred thousand, something in seriously silly. :shifty:
Good morning everyone how you feeling? Ask me in five years time STEED. :haha:
Ok to the question, is it time we got rid of the FPTP and replaced it with PR?
From the radio last night..
SNP 1,454,436 votes giving them 56 seats
UKIP 3,881,129 votes giving them 1 seat
SNP poll less than UKIP and they get 55 seats more than UKIP. I know Oberon will not like this next bit, under PR UKIP would be on 82-84 seats.
Now the bit Oberon will like, even the greens would have got 9-14 seats.
Clearly smaller party's like UKIP and the Greens are picking up votes showing people are looking else where, seems to me a good case for PR.
Top Five votes
Conservatives 11,334,920
Labour 9,347,326
UKIP 3,881,129
Liberal Democrats 2,415,888
SNP 1,454,436
GREENS 1,157,613
Proportional Representation would be nice, but I can't see it happening in the immediate future. It would only have happened if the UK had voted in another coalition government.
Here in Scotland, the SNP get only half of the vote, yet get all bar three seats out of 59. Under the figures for PR they would only have got 32 or so.
Mike.:hmmm:
The voting result means that the UK will hold an EU referendum by 2016 as Cameron has said so. This will be also interesting for the rest of Europe. :ping:
Most of the council results are in..
Winners
Conservatives
UKIP
Greens
Loser's
LibDems
Labour
Independents
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results/councils
BossMark
05-09-15, 01:25 PM
The voting result means that the UK will hold an EU referendum by 2016 as Cameron has said so. This will be also interesting for the rest of Europe. :ping:
and do you really believe that Cameron will stick to his word....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/08/is-cameron-the-uk-s-last-prime-minister.html
Eh, so what? Why are people freaking out over this? It's not like Scotland is going to rule England, is it?:hmm2:
Good point Neal, unfortunately too many people fell for the BS from the Tories. I encountered a woman living in fear of a war with Scotland! That was at the bus stop I just had to walk away laughing.
and do you really believe that Cameron will stick to his word....
Of course we will have that referendum.
A. Stay with the EU
B. I agree with option A
Today on the Swedish news they said that British
Polling Council will start an investigation.
They want to know how they could be so astray
Markus
Of course we will have that referendum.
A. Stay with the EU
B. I agree with option A
A question.
What if:
A majority vote for a leaving EU, The English Parliament however doesn't follow the peoples wishes.
A thought so to say..
I have heard that a referendum isn't mandatory like in Denmark
Markus
Today on the Swedish news they said that British
Polling Council will start an investigation.
They want to know how they could be so astray
Markus
It does make you wonder a bit...still, one has to trust in the system. :yep:
Rockstar
05-09-15, 04:27 PM
Today on the Swedish news they said that British
Polling Council will start an investigation.
They want to know how they could be so astray
Markus
Ask them if they dont mind checking these out too.
1. Underestimating Likud's victory in Israeli elections last March.
2. Underestimating the GOP's performance in the 2014 mid terms.
3. Predicting a very close vote for Scottish independence.
Russell Brand resigns as Russell Brand:
http://newsthump.com/2015/05/09/russell-brand-resigns-as-russell-brand/
Torplexed
05-09-15, 05:08 PM
Russell Brand resigns as Russell Brand:
http://newsthump.com/2015/05/09/russell-brand-resigns-as-russell-brand/
So the guy that got famous following through with nothing, sticks with nothing. Okay.
As a commentator once said, so unthreatening a revolutionary is Russell Brand that Stalin would not even have bothered to have him shot. :)
So the guy that got famous following through with nothing, sticks with nothing. Okay.
As a commentator once said, so unthreatening a revolutionary is Russell Brand that Stalin would not even have bothered to have him shot. :)
:haha: He's a good populist, if he actually worked with someone rather than just on his own he could probably whip up a fairly good number of people. But undirected and on his own, he just goes in circles.
Torplexed
05-09-15, 05:32 PM
:haha: He's a good populist, if he actually worked with someone rather than just on his own he could probably whip up a fairly good number of people. But undirected and on his own, he just goes in circles.
As a man trying to make some sense out of the reeking marsh of lies and baloney that is politics and media he talks just about as much sense as anyone else with his high profile. But like much like the rather incisive John Lennon of forty years ago, I think he"ll eventually content himself just sitting watching the wheels go round and round.
Katy Perry beat Yoko Ono any day of the week though. :D
A question.
What if:
A majority vote for a leaving EU, The English Parliament however doesn't follow the peoples wishes.
A thought so to say..
I have heard that a referendum isn't mandatory like in Denmark
Markus
I got no faith is this underhanded government two examples..
When Scotland held the break away from England vote which looked like it was going to happen Cameron and Co rushed up to Scotland and used the fear factor to swing it. Looks like the Scots wised up with the success of the SNP.
Second example Northern Ireland was given the vote on the EU they voted against the EU and what happen? No this not the result the EU wanted and forced a second vote on them resulting in a yes vote.
I do not trust Cameron he is a liar though and though, he broke over 100 promises he made back in 2010 when he came to power. He will get his way that I know.
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