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GoldenRivet
03-19-15, 02:28 AM
i have searched high and low for an english copy of the prize regulations. I have worked to piece together the prize regulations as they pertain to our playing Silent Hunter III... and here they are

Can you operate within the prize regulations?

If anything, while technical, it is an interesting read

PRIZE REGULATIONS

03 SEPTEMBER 1939


KRIEGSMARINE


ARTICLE I

PURPOSE



The Prize Regulations are established so as to create methods and standards of dealing with encounters with both enemy and neutral maritime vessels given consideration to the present state of war.

The national government shall serve as the body responsible for determining the beginning and ending of the period of time under which Kriegsmarine units must adhere to the Prize Regulations. At the onset of 03 September 1939 at 12:00 noon the Prize Regulations are to be en force.

ARTICLE II



AFFECTED AREAS


These Prize Regulations are to be adhered to and exercised within the following geographical constraints:

1. On the high seas
2. Within the territorial waters of Germany, and the territorial waters of the allies and enemies of Germany.
3. Within inland waters which serve the facilities, equipment and units of Germany, and the allies and enemies of Germany (lakes, rivers etc)

The Prize regulations are not to be exercised within the following areas:

Within neutral waters or in those waters, which are closed to war on the basis of contracts of the Third Reich. For the purpose of standardization of these geographical locales the waters of neutral parties extends from the shoreline outward to a distance of six (6) nautical miles from the coast of the neutral body or area closed to war. Attack measures are not to be taken against combatant vessels located within these areas.

Areas in which combat action is closed are as follows:

1. The Suez Canal zone within three (3) nautical miles of entry or exit ports or within the canal
2. The coastal waters of Spitsbergen without regards to whether or not Norway enters hostilities
3. The Panama Canal zone within three (3) nautical miles of entry or exit ports or within the canal
4. The coastal waters of the Aland Islands

ARTICLE III


IDENTIFICATION OF VESSELS


The enemy or neutral property of a vehicle is to be determined by the flag flown by the vessel, or any displayed roundel as in the case of aircraft. If no flag or identifying roundel is displayed the registered nationality of ownership shall prevail.

If no means of identifying the nationality of a vessel exists and cannot be determined by any available means it must be treated as enemy.

As it may occur that a neutral vessels ownership status may be temporarily or permanently transferred to an enemy, OR the vessel of enemy ownership may be temporarily or permanently transferred to a neutral state, international regulations warrant that an official document displaying the transfer of title between parties must be kept aboard while the vessel is in operation.

In the event of boarding a vessel for the purpose of verifying this documentation commanders are urged to consider the following:

1. The transfer of an enemy vehicle to the neutral flag will not be recognized if it is done within the 60 days preceding the commencement of hostilities with the enemy state from which the transfer of title was made.
2. The transfer of an enemy vehicle to the neutral flag will not be recognized if the instrument of transfer is not aboard the vessel
3. The Transfer of an enemy vessel to the neutral flag will not be recognized if the instrument of transfer is inaccurate or incomplete
4. The transfer of an enemy vessel to the neutral flag will not be recognized if profit of the vessels disposal or salvage remains in the right of the enemy

ARTICLE IV

STOP AND SEARCH



The following procedure shall apply for stop and search of vessels:

The commander must first approach the vessel without aggressive posturing, and signal via lamp or radio if doing so will not betray the U-boat’s position to the enemy. Once signaled to stop, a warning shot should be fired forward of the vessel’s bow.

Amended – 09 JUN 1941 – The use of radio to communicate with such vessels is suspended

The U-boat’s standing watch should signal the vessel to display its flag or identifying marks immediately upon stopping.

Should the vessel fail to stop and/or identify with flag or markings, the U-boat should fire a single round across the bow and repeat the signal.

Should the vessel continue to avoid cooperation, the U-boat should fire a shell into a non-critical area of the vessel thereby forcing it to stop under the threat of violent action and repeat the signal.

Should the vessel continue to avoid cooperation at this point the U-boat is authorized to attack and sink the vessel without further signaling.

If the vessel has stopped:

The commander should send a boarding party to the vessel with the clear establishment of a boarding party commander.

The commander of the boarding party shall: check the ships paper, question the vessel’s crew and officers as to the circumstances of the vessels voyage, its cargo, its passengers. If deemed necessary by the commander of the boarding party, the vessel should be searched soundly to confirm the authenticity and accuracy of the vessel’s papers.

Should communication barriers prevent accurate questioning, it is permissible that the documents and papers of the vessel be transported back to the U-boat for further inspection. Should the papers be insufficient for this purpose, it is permissible to bring the vessels senior officer or captain aboard the U-boat for communications.

Should the captain of the vessel hold any complaints as to the boarding party actions, the actions of the U-boat or its crew; such complaints must be made in writing to the Commander of the U-boat and this documentation is to be provided to BdU for consideration.

If the search reveals that the contents of the vessel is primarily neutral letters and mailings or parcels, the boarding party should vacate the vessel and allow it to resume voyage with the least delay possible.

Course instruction

Course instruction is any command provided by the U-boat to the vessel to alter course so that implementation of the search may be resumed or can take place at another location.

Course instruction should be considered if urgent reason to do so is present or if the sea state, risk of hostilities against the U-boat or the vessel being searched is great, other circumstances exist that search of the vessel is warranted but prevented by some present circumstance.

All efforts must be made to signal the vessel to change course by signal lamp or radio if possible


ARTICLE V

VESSELS CLAIMED AS PRIZE


At the discretion of the U-boat commander, the taking of the vessel as a prize is authorized. The leader of the boarding party must place the flag of Germany in flight aboard the vessel prized if able to do so.

The leader of the boarding party is responsible for the safe monitoring and provisions of health and safe keeping of the vessel’s crew and passengers.

The leader of the boarding party takes charge of the log book, papers and other documentation essential to the vessel.

The leader of the boarding party establishes a boarding party diary into which all events subsequent to taking the vessel as prize are to be recorded until such time that the vessel is entered into a port of Germany or one of its allies.


The leader of the boarding party is responsible for safe navigation of the vessel and is compelled to utilize the services of the vessel’s existing crew if their services are able to be provided.

The leader of the boarding party shall, if possible, ensure that the transfer of all cargo to another vessel is carried out, additionally he shall keep a log of all cargo transported off of the ship for transport to Germany or one of its allies, this log should include the name and nationality of the vessel to which the cargo was allotted.

If there is insufficient prize crew, the vessel should take on the flag of Germany, if possible, and its crew and officers should act in line with the orders of the U-boat

Vessels taken as a prize can be entered immediately into the service of the German military powers.

Vessels taken as a prize can have their cargo entered immediately into the service of German military powers.

Destruction of vehicles and goods

Should a vessel taken as a prize become impractical or unsafe for continued voyage or if the vessel acts contrary to the orders of the U-boat, the vessel must be destroyed with every effort to saving whatever cargo of value.



ARTICLE VI

VESSELS AND GOODS SUBJECT TO CONFISCATION


Any goods stored as cargo, ballast or stored in the holds aboard an enemy vessel are subject to capture and confiscation.

Postal parcels which are deemed to contain no information of strategic value are not subject to confiscation unless their final destination is a port under blockade by Germany or its allies

Any goods belonging to the crew or passengers of a vessel which are clearly identified as goods intended for the personal use of the crew or passengers of an enemy vessel are to be considered free from risk of confiscation.

Neutral vessels sailing in convoy with enemy vessels are subject to boarding and confiscation of the aforementioned articles as described above.

Neutral vessels which passively resist stoppage and boarding are subject to boarding and confiscation of the aforementioned articles as described above.

Neutral vessels which violently resist stoppage and boarding are subject to boarding and confiscation of the aforementioned articles as described above.

Neutral vessels which intervene against your boarding action or intervene against your attacking of an enemy vessel are subject to boarding and confiscation of the aforementioned articles as described above.

Neutral vessels which are stopped and boarded who have no article of transfer aboard, or such article of transfer is inaccurate or incomplete are subject to confiscation of the aforementioned articles as described above.

Neutral vessels which are observed to be participating in blockade operations against Germany or its allies in concert with our enemies are subject to boarding and confiscation of the aforementioned articles as described above.

At the commander’s discretion, Neutral vessels may be attacked and sunk if:

1. The vessel is traveling in hostile convoy

2. The vessel resists violently against the U-boat

3. The vessel provides violent assistance to an enemy vessel to prevent the U-boat’s efforts against said enemy vessel

4. The vessel is unquestionably participating in blockade against Germany or her allies

Amendment – 28 SEP 1939 – by order of Der Führer vessels flagged as Russian, Italian, Japanese or Spanish which are stopped shall only be questioned on their cargo and destination. No other action is to be taken against such vessels.



ARTICLE VII

RELIEF SOCIETIES AND ORGANIZATIONS


Vessels which are known to have registry, or are displaying titles of transfer, or are displaying a flag or roundel or other identifying mark providing clear ownership to relief societies (ie International Red Cross) shall not be subject to prize, boarding, confiscation or attack.

Commanders are not authorized to participate in taking as prize, boarding, confiscating goods or materials or attacking:

1. Coastal fishery vessels
2. Vessels operating in the interest of religion
3. Vessels engaged in exploration related to the sciences
4. Vessels engaged in philanthropy
5. Vessels charged with exchange of Prisoners of War
6. Vessels flying flags of international relief organizations
7. Vessels flying flags representative of international signs of surrender
8. Vessels flying flags representative of international signs of relief

The above listed exemptions are nullified immediately upon any such vessel commencing or participating in hostilities against the U-boat or are otherwise found to be operating in a manner which suggests that their exempted behaviors are conducted under false pretenses.



ARTICLE VIII

BANNED GOODS


The following items and substances are considered banned goods; merchant vessels engaged in the carriage of these materials or with such materials visible on their decks, may be attacked without warning.

1. Weapons of any kind
2. Weapon parts or components
3. Weapon accessories
4. Ammunition
5. Ammunition components
6. Bombs or their components or accessories
7. Torpedoes or their components or accessories
8. Mines or their components or accessories
9. Projectiles intended for shooting or throwing by hand or by a mechanized source
10. Explosives in any form
11. Explosive detonators or any device manufactured as a component or accessory of detonators
12. Warships of any kind regardless of size or tonnage
13. Components meant for use in construction of war machines of any kind
14. Aircraft, aircraft components, accessories, parts or engines
15. Tanks, armored cars, militarized vehicles of any kind including their parts or accessories
16. Armor plating
17. Chemical weapons or components meant for the dispersal of such
18. Military clothing, uniforms, shoes, boots, hats etc
19. Military news manuscripts; or any signaling equipment used for military purposes
20. Chemicals or ingredients meant for use in the printing of military publications
21. Pack animals or riding animals, their equipment and appurtenances if for military purposes
22. Fuel oil, crude oil, lubricating oil, aviation gasoline
23. Gold, silver, cash and coins or any instrument used for settling debt of or to an enemy
24. Food, medicines or rations intended for use by the enemy
25. Any equipment, tools, or materials used to manufacture or otherwise produce or reproduce any the above articles

The attack can be made whether or not the intended destination of the vessel is in a neutral territory under the condition that these materials may be shipped by any other means from the neutral port by road, rail, air or any other method of transit to an ultimate final destination within enemy territory or currently held by the enemy.

Attack may be made without warning against a neutral vessel which was not previously carrying these materials but is subsequently engaged in the transfer of these materials onto its decks or into its holds from an enemy vessel.
ARTICLE IX

BANNED GOODS CONSIDERED FOR EXEMPTION


The U-boat commander, when considering goods as banned or not banned should consider the following banned goods as allowable under specific conditions.

1. The banned objects or substances are for the use of the vessel itself assuming reasonable quantities exist aboard which are commensurate with the needs of the vessel (ie sufficient lubricating oil, fuel oil, heating oil meant to be used by the various mechanisms on board the vessel and the quantities do not exceed the obvious amount necessary for the duration of the voyage)
2. The objects or substances are for the use of crew or passengers aboard the vessel (rifles, pistols, ammunition and accessories, gold, silver, coins, cash etc belonging to crew members or passengers so long as the quantity of the items is commensurate with the needs of the individual and do not exceed an amount necessary for the duration of the voyage)
3. Articles mentioned above which are intended solely for the treatment of the infirm, ill or wounded individuals aboard ship or occupying the destination port of the vessel provided the destination port is non enemy and not blockaded.

Consideration should be given by the U-boat commander to the on board papers, logs, shipping labels or itinerary etc of the vessel. Attack, prizing, or confiscation should be considered if:

1. The vessel carrying such banned goods has clearly deviated from its route without justifiable reason for doing so
2. If there is evidence that the papers presented to the boarding party have been falsified so as to conceal the materials kept aboard, or conceal the intended destination etc

ARTICLE X

USE OF FORCE AND DEADLY FORCE


The U-boat’s boarding party, may upon stopping and boarding a vessel, detain the crew and passengers until the boarding party has completed their investigation of the vessel satisfactorily, upon such time the crew and passengers shall be released from detainment.

An attempt of any crew or passenger to escape before the vessel has been stopped and boarded is not to be treated as an attempt to escape detainment. (such as the case of crew and passengers boarding life boats or otherwise leaving the vessel upon sighting the U-boat)

Any attempt of the crew or passengers to escape after the vessel has been stopped and boarded may be treated at the discretion of the boarding party as an escape attempt.

Use of force is authorized in the following encounters

1. Refusal of the vessel’s crew or passengers to provide papers relevant to the ship or its contents
2. Refusal of the vessel’s crew or passengers to provide papers identifying themselves
3. Refusal to open locked areas of the vessel
4. Refusal to cooperate with instructions given by the boarding party by reason of not understanding the boarding party’s instructions when it is reasonable to assume that the misunderstanding due to language barrier is fabricated or under false pretenses

Use of deadly force is authorized…

1. Against members of the crew taking hostile action against the boarding party or the U-boat
2. Against members of the passenger party taking hostile action against the boarding party or the U-boat
3. Against members of the crew attempting escape while in detention
4. Against members of the passenger party attempting escape while in detention
5. Against members of the crew which are discovered to be an agent of the enemy
6. Against members of the passenger party which are discovered to be an agent of the enemy
7. Against members of the crew who engage in efforts to scuttle the vessel by any means including but not limited to scuttling mechanisms or explosives while the boarding party remains aboard the vessel.

Should the boarding party be unable to overcome the organized resistance of the crew or passengers of the boarded vessel and must therefore flee the vessel the vessel may be attacked and sunk.

ARTICLE XI

ATTACKING WITHOUT WARNING


Other than situations previously mentioned, attacks without warning may be made against the following:

1. Vessels taking part in hostilities against Germany or any of its allies
2. Vessels chartered by an enemy nation in such a manner which places the vessel under enemy control regardless of the displayed flag or identifying markings
3. Vessels which convey to other vessels via signaling or other communications their intent to participate in hostile actions against Germany or its allies
4. Vessels which convey to the enemy the position of the U-boat
5. Vessels engaged in the transport of personnel belonging to an enemy force
6. Vessels engaged in the transport of individuals underway to join an enemy force
7. Vessels engaged in the transport of personnel supporting an enemy
8. Vessels that once boarded, fail to make the presence of an enemy force or enemy persons known to the boarding party
9. Vessels engaged in the transmission of military operational news
10. Vessels which have been instructed not to approach the U-boat and act contrary to those instructions
11. Vessels engaged in transmissions that are of use to the enemy
12. Vessels which, according to internationally available news, have engaged in hostile acts against Germany or its allies and such news is dated within the preceding 365 days unless the news, article, transmission, or print has been redacted by the news organization responsible for the report or article or print
13. Vessels engaged in any activity which could endanger the U-boat, its boarding party, or endanger any vessel or party belonging to an ally of Germany

Amendment – 02 OCT 1939 – By order of Der Führer darkened ships regardless of nationality can be attacked within the British and French territorial waters (See Article II, Article XI)

Amendment – 23 NOV 1939 – By order of Der Führer enemy merchant vessels can be attacked in the territorial waters of the United States of America, provided the U-boat can preserve the illusion of on board explosion not related to U-boat attack. (see Article II, Article XI)

Amendment – 30 DEC 1939 – By order of Der Führer, Greek vessels are to be considered hostile due to a large number of titles of transfer from Greece to the British forces. (see Article III, article XI)

ARTICLE XII

TREATMENT OF CREW AND PASSENGERS

The captain and officers of enemy vessels are to be released if they adequately demonstrate neutral nationality and provide formal written notice promising that during the duration of the war they shall not enter into the service of enemy military powers. This order shall not be in force should the captain or officers in question at any time during the stoppage, or capture once engage in hostile action against the U-boat, its crew, or the vessels of Germany or its allies.


Passengers must be released unless they are members of an enemy force, persons who have taken voyage with the purpose of joining an enemy force or to support enemy action or are agents of the enemy serving in any capacity.

The commander of the U-boat is responsible for ensuring that the passengers and crew held in detention are treated in a manner so as to ensure their health and safety for the duration of their detention until such time that the passengers and crew are released, or their detention is transferred to another party.

Amendment – 26 NOV 1939 – By order of BdU, Survivors are not to be taken aboard the U-boat for the purpose of capture, commanders are ordered not to concern themselves with the well-being of the crews and passengers stricken vessels.

BigWalleye
03-19-15, 06:43 AM
Thank you, Golden Rivet. That is a most interesting document.

The KM insisted that commanders follow the Prize Regulations from Day One, then started curtailing them about Day Two. :) The fact that they were utterly impractical for submarine warfare had a lot to do with this. They were designed around the paradigm of commerce-rading surface cruisers like sailing frigates.

The mere existence of the Prize Regulations was a great inhibition on U-boat commanders during the first year or more of the war. Blair tells the story in detail. Some of the commdaners were recklessly gallant in their efforts to conform to this standard of "civilized warfare" (an oxymoron if there ever was one!). Without the Prize Regulations, the blockade might have been more effective from the outset and had more of an impact on the course of the war.

JFO! provides a taste of the stream of confusing and contradictory orders that came from KM as they wrestled with the challenge of establishing an effective submarine commerce blockade while abiding by gradually diminishing elements of the Prize Regulations. NYGM and SH3 Gen also include about 90% of this material. It is educational to read these radio messages and patrol orders and to imagine how an RL commander would try in good faith to make sense of these limits and restrict his activites in practice.

GoldenRivet
03-19-15, 07:49 AM
also probably the reason there are so many messages in GWX from various boats to BdU which seem to ask for permission to attack in one variation or another.

sublynx
03-19-15, 09:15 AM
Thanks a lot! I've looked for the regulations and had miserable luck, until now.:arrgh!:

GoldenRivet
03-19-15, 09:46 AM
Thanks a lot! I've looked for the regulations and had miserable luck, until now.:arrgh!:

You're more than welcome.

There are a few pages i didnt bother to translate into technical/regulatory english simply because they were irrelevant within the SH3 environment.

articles having to do with grievances of post war parties with interests financial or otherwise in prized, damaged or sunken ships

some of it had to do with the treatment of ships in German ports that are neutral, but while in port they become enemy ships due to declaration of war.

in the end it really only amounted to a few pages.

so i edited that out so what is in this thread would only apply to operations within SH3 and re-numbered the articles

next time i have a go at a career i think im going to try and work some of this into simulation

CCIP
03-19-15, 05:22 PM
For those interested, I highly recommend the "Just Follow Orders mod": http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=199229

Less of a mod and more of a rule set, but it really does provide some very useful information on prize rules and ROE! :up:

GoldenRivet
03-19-15, 05:37 PM
wait wait what???

i thought the JFO Mod had something to do with fatigue

Scout614
03-19-15, 05:38 PM
This should be stickied for ease of finding again for those who play by the rules :).

BigWalleye
03-19-15, 06:13 PM
wait wait what???

i thought the JFO Mod had something to do with fatigue

Good gosh, no! It's mainly a collection of radio messages reflecting the changing Standing Orders regarding target restrictions, torpedo Settings, and tactical doctrine. These are, of course, not enforced in any way within the game, but it is fun to see the changes and try to imagine how a conscientious naval officer would try to cope with them and still carry out his assigned mission!

JFO! is purely an "atmosphere" mod but it is a lot of fun.

THEBERBSTER
03-19-15, 06:19 PM
Hi GR

I have added your excellent piece to my SH3 tutorial post #5 so it will not get lost and give others a chance to have a good read.

Peter

sublynx
03-19-15, 11:35 PM
JFO is one of the best mods around. Apart from BdU's orders it also has a map depicting route Anton (the routes German and Italian blockade runners sailed) and a map depicting the sea areas around the UK that the Germans announced as unrestricted area where the Prize regulations were not followed.

sublynx
03-21-15, 01:22 AM
BTW GoldenRivet, I just realised that you have translated the regulations by yourself. Incredible work, Sir :up:

GoldenRivet
03-21-15, 04:07 AM
BTW GoldenRivet, I just realised that you have translated the regulations by yourself. Incredible work, Sir :up:

I'll not claim to be fluent in anything but a bastardized variation of English spoken in Texas. :haha:

Admittedly, Google translate and other online tools had a lot to do with the finer points of translating from German to English... but then, what the software comes up with often has to be interpreted and re-written in a way that makes sense in English, this was the most time consuming part. the re-wording it.

When translation software is used, you end up with a lot of "backwards speak"

so when the proper English phrase might be:

The national government shall serve as the body responsible for determining the beginning and ending of the period of time under which Kriegsmarine units must adhere to the Prize Regulations.

the translation program actually says something like

Determining the beginning and ending, the national government, having the right, the period of time to exercise the regulations of prize

its obviously indicating that the national government shall exercise the right to determine the period of time that the prize regulations shall be exercised... but its the software's syntax that causes the sentence to be all ass backwards, so i simply reworded the ass backwards bits into ass frontwards regulatory language :rotfl2:

additionally, i simplified the article numbering... my version has 12 articles, the original has about 90 articles

why the huge difference?

2 reasons:

1. simply because every other paragraph and sometimes every other sentence is titled under a new article number in the original document. I simply lumped the "articles" together with subjects that were related such as "STOP AND SEARCH" while i treated that as 1 article, the original document treats every other sentence as a new article for some reason, so there are like 5 articles there in the original document that say more or less the same thing.

2. Like i said in an earlier reply... On my part, there are several omissions, that either didn't really feel like they applied to the constraints of SH3, were repetitive, were explanatory historical foot notes that wouldn't necessarily exist in the original version or just seemed completely irrelevant. so i chose not to include them. this shortened the document considerably

here is a link to the full document, it is in German, so if you want to read the whole thing have translation software ready if you are not native to the language and be prepared for a LOT of interpretation

http://www.ubootarchiv.de/krieg/prisenordnung/priseno/inhalt.php

banryu79
03-21-15, 06:35 AM
Many thanks Golden Rivet, this is very interesting and educational. It would be nice to have a similar document inside the game... Hmmm....

BigWalleye
03-21-15, 06:42 AM
...so i simply reworded the ass backwards bits into ass frontwards regulatory language



THAT'S why regulatory language is so hard to understand!:har:

Thanks, GR, for a useful and educational addition to the game. I'm sure someone will quickly incorporate this into one of the in-game chart compilations.

sublynx
03-21-15, 06:57 AM
Many thanks Golden Rivet, this is very interesting and educational. It would be nice to have a similar document inside the game... Hmmm....

I had the same idea and made this:

http://i.imgur.com/BXRLmKV.jpg

It would take about ten of these to as TGA files and one could then edit one's menu_1024_768.ini file to have these as draggable charts.

Do you mind GoldenRivet if I make these kind of TGA's from your translation and release the pictures? The TGA's could be added to the game relatively easy, and a little bit later I might even do the menu work at least for vanilla SH3.

GoldenRivet
03-21-15, 07:15 AM
By all means, go right ahead

sublynx
03-21-15, 07:20 AM
Cool, it shouldn't take long to make the TGA's :ping:

sublynx
03-21-15, 09:11 AM
Here are the TGA's:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ls0d9hqlmf0y0cq/prizerules.7z

If you want them in the game, you need to edit them into your menu_1024_768.ini.

(if you don't know how, read this guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3988)

One day I might make a mini-mod out of this, but only for vanilla SH3.

sharkbit
03-22-15, 03:13 PM
Any good ideas on how to simulate this in game? Obviously you can't make ships stop in game.

I use dice rolls a lot to simulate certain in-game things(time to refuel at supply ship/milk cow, time to dive when faced with an incoming aircraft, etc.) and I've toyed with the idea, when faced with a prize rule situation, of stopping and waiting, or maybe following, a neutral cargo ship for a random number of hours. I haven't really implemented anything as my careers are late war right now.

I've played around a little bit with the JFO mod but never really implemented it as of yet. It looks like a great mod though.

GoldenRivet
03-22-15, 03:44 PM
Any good ideas on how to simulate this in game? Obviously you can't make ships stop in game.

Occasionally within SH3/GWX and various other super mods, you will encounter neutral merchants sailing in convoy with armed enemy ships and under armed enemy escort.

as per the prize regulations


ARTICLE VI

VESSELS AND GOODS SUBJECT TO CONFISCATION


..............

At the commander’s discretion, Neutral vessels may be attacked and sunk if:

1. The vessel is traveling in hostile convoy so let em have it

also...

ever see neutral ships venturing across the open seas with trucks or tanks or barrels of fuel or airplanes on their decks? well.... if you ever do

according to the prize regulatiosn

ARTICLE VIII

BANNED GOODS


The following items and substances are considered banned goods; merchant vessels engaged in the carriage of these materials or with such materials visible on their decks, may be attacked without warning.

1. Weapons of any kind
2. Weapon parts or components
3. Weapon accessories
4. Ammunition
5. Ammunition components
6. Bombs or their components or accessories
7. Torpedoes or their components or accessories
8. Mines or their components or accessories
9. Projectiles intended for shooting or throwing by hand or by a mechanized source
10. Explosives in any form
11. Explosive detonators or any device manufactured as a component or accessory of detonators
12. Warships of any kind regardless of size or tonnage
13. Components meant for use in construction of war machines of any kind
14. Aircraft, aircraft components, accessories, parts or engines
15. Tanks, armored cars, militarized vehicles of any kind including their parts or accessories
16. Armor plating
17. Chemical weapons or components meant for the dispersal of such
18. Military clothing, uniforms, shoes, boots, hats etc
19. Military news manuscripts; or any signaling equipment used for military purposes
20. Chemicals or ingredients meant for use in the printing of military publications
21. Pack animals or riding animals, their equipment and appurtenances if for military purposes
22. Fuel oil, crude oil, lubricating oil, aviation gasoline
23. Gold, silver, cash and coins or any instrument used for settling debt of or to an enemy
24. Food, medicines or rations intended for use by the enemy
25. Any equipment, tools, or materials used to manufacture or otherwise produce or reproduce any the above articles

so any neutrals you have seen before with these on their decks - or even if armed - (if any) that you have been letting sail haplessly onward... not any more - let em have it

and what about darkened neutrals traveling in enemy waters?

ARTICLE XI

ATTACKING WITHOUT WARNING


Other than situations previously mentioned, attacks without warning may be made against the following:

...............

Amendment – 02 OCT 1939 – By order of Der Führer darkened ships regardless of nationality can be attacked within the British and French territorial waters (See Article II, Article XI)so, after the 2nd of October 1939, if you see a darkened neutral ship in British territorial waters (ie within 6 miles of the coast) send them to the bottom

another way to simulate stopping and interrogation / inspection of the neutral is to follow the prize procedures

1. fire ahead of the bow
2. fire across the bow

etc

well if it doesnt stop sink it... but the problem with this is you end up sinking every neutral because in SH3 obviously they dont know to stop for you so in this case you could utilize the die roll as you have described

Fahnenbohn
08-18-15, 06:25 AM
Another way to simulate stopping and interrogation / inspection of the neutral is to follow the prize procedures

1. fire ahead of the bow
2. fire across the bow

etc

well if it doesnt stop sink it... but the problem with this is you end up sinking every neutral because in SH3 obviously they dont know to stop for you so in this case you could utilize the die roll as you have described

Exactly ! ... :har:

Fahnenbohn
08-19-15, 04:26 AM
Any good ideas on how to simulate this in game? Obviously you can't make ships stop in game.

There is a way to stop a neutral/friendly/(ennemy ?) ship in SH3 : simply block its path, although it is not very consistent with the historical reality ! It just requires a little practice. :know:

I use dice rolls a lot to simulate certain in-game things

Yeah, this is a great idea. I remember a post written by Sailor Steve where he described a method using dice rolls. I do not remember his method, but I thought it was ingenious.