Windows 10: What You Need to Know

[Onkel Neal]

I thought this might be useful to some of you:

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2015/01/25/windows-10-vs-windows-7-what-you-need-to-know/

Windows 10 vs Windows 7 – Start Menu vs Start Screen & Continuum

If you’re reading you for whatever reason decided that upgrading to Windows 8, Microsoft’s current operating system, wasn’t what you wanted to do. Maybe you were comfortable with the features Windows 7 offered. Perhaps you were very attached to an app that was included in Windows 7? Whatever the reason, you’re now looking at taking a major leap.

Ironically, Windows 7 users who upgrade to Windows 10 are in for less of a big shock than they think. You may have heard of Windows 8’s Start Screen. In Windows 8 everyone was forced to interact with the Start Screen, which completely takes over your entire display. Windows 10 users can expect a Start Screen that matches what’s available in Windows 7. It may look different but the idea is the same. To the right of recently used files and folders is an area reserved for the Live Tiles of apps download from the Windows Store.

I guess a main reason why I did not like the look of Win 8 with all those ugly tiles--I keep a clean desktop, I am not one of those folks who have 300 icons on the desktop. When I have no programs (what they call apps now) running, there are exactly 0 icons on my desktop. I can click the Start button if I want to start a program. I'm sure some people like a cluttered desktop, with icons or tiles, I'm just not one of them. :)

[Jeff-Groves]

I had a few issues getting the Win 10 Tech Preview install but I like it now that I use it more and more.

8 and 8.1 still make me scratch my head when I need to help others with their system. 10 seems a bit easier to navigate for me.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm sure Win10 will be an improvement, but nobody seems to listen when I say that 8.1 fixes the Start Screen problem. It's there if you want it and not there if you don't.

[u crank]

..but nobody seems to listen when I say that 8.1 fixes the Start Screen problem. It's there if you want it and not there if you don't.

Exactly. I'm still learning to get around but I seldom use the Start Screen. Straight to desktop every time.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I'm sure Win10 will be an improvement, but nobody seems to listen when I say that 8.1 fixes the Start Screen problem. It's there if you want it and not there if you don't.


Yes, I don't mind 8.1 at all.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm sure Win10 will be an improvement, but nobody seems to listen when I say that 8.1 fixes the Start Screen problem. It's there if you want it and not there if you don't.

I believe you, I just don't have any hands on time to accept the changes. I guess I am going by what it looks like, and it looks funky, like Microsoft suddenly decided my 23" desktop is a mobile platform and I want to touch the screen instead of the mouse. You know me, I want everything to stay the same as Windows XP :sunny:

[Sailor Steve]

I believe you, I just don't have any hands on time to accept the changes. I guess I am going by what it looks like, and it looks funky, like Microsoft suddenly decided my 23" desktop is a mobile platform and I want to touch the screen instead of the mouse. You know me, I want everything to stay the same as Windows XP :sunny:
My laptop is only open first thing in the morning when I turn it on. After that I'm using my Eclipse keyboard, Hanns-G 28" monitor and 5-button mouse with the laptop's lid closed. It doesn't look funky to me because, as I showed earlier, it opens to the desktop. The so-called Start Screen has a couple of things on it, in very small tiles, and I mostly use it to get to the Apps Screen, which has every program on the PC as a List, not Tiles.

You can easily set up yours to be the same, or whatever configuration you like. It's very versatile.

Oh, I was also using a thing called Start Menu 8, which was provided by IoBit. I wasn't overly happy with it, and now my Start Menu is from Classic Shell, which is free and very XP-like.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Start%20Menu_zpsmmufqkpv.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/Start%20Menu_zpsmmufqkpv.jpg.html)

[raymond6751]

I'm more concerned with what will run under Win 10. More and more of my fave games have been rendered to scrap by Win8 and 8.1. Sad, but the future looks rather dim.

[DragonRider]

I love the look and the way Windows 8.1.2 works and like Steve I also have it set to go straight to the desktop.
But here is the thing sometimes when using Windows 8.1.2 something or a program that runs fine most of the time starts slowing down or failing I could not work this out until I installed the board in my latest build.
This board monitors the boot-up from first turn on to OP running. most of the time all is ok but then every now and then it shows error messages AE and then D4 so what this is saying is that my PCIe slots on my Mother Board are out of resources. These slots are used by my Graphics cards how strange is that.
This don't happen with any other Windows Version so I hope Windows 10 works like 7 and runs everything fine. :o

[STEED]

I'm sure Win10 will be an improvement, but nobody seems to listen when I say that 8.1 fixes the Start Screen problem. It's there if you want it and not there if you don't.

Right on Big Boots, when I was on the hunt for a new PC in one shop I asked I'm looking for Win8.1 too which the sales person said don't you mean Win8, there is no Win8.1..:har:

I use the desktop screen 99% of the time. :)

[ReallyDedPoet]

I love the look and the way Windows 8.1.2 works and like Steve I also have it set to go straight to the desktop.
But here is the thing sometimes when using Windows 8.1.2 something or a program that runs fine most of the time starts slowing down or failing I could not work this out until I installed the board in my latest build.
This board monitors the boot-up from first turn on to OP running. most of the time all is ok but then every now and then it shows error messages AE and then D4 so what this is saying is that my PCIe slots on my Mother Board are out of resources. These slots are used by my Graphics cards how strange is that.
This don't happen with any other Windows Version so I hope Windows 10 works like 7 and runs everything fine. :o

Never had the issues you are mentioning, though I run a new laptop with 8.1.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm more concerned with what will run under Win 10. More and more of my fave games have been rendered to scrap by Win8 and 8.1. Sad, but the future looks rather dim.

Yeah, that's why I have several older computers running DOS, Win 95 and Win XP in my office :ping: I don't throw the old ones out.

[DragonRider]

Never had the issues you are mentioning, though I run a new laptop with 8.1.

Hi RDP nice to hear from you anyways yes after many hours today re-installing Windows 8.1 To try and track this issue down I can report successes in this matter.
After opening the bios and searching through the different screens I found that in my Bios Features Screen near the bottom of the page I found a section called "Windows 8 Features".
And for some reason Window 8 had decided to set this option to Other O/S. so I selected Windows 8 and then in the screen Peripherals I found the PCIe Configuration was set to AUTO which should be good to go but just to make sure I change it to X4 and re-started my computer The X4 setting caused the bios to fail as expected and the computer re-set again and booted but the PCIe items did not work also as expected so another re-start and changing the X4 setting back to auto and then re-starting the computer started up as good as gold so it looks like all it needed was a kick in the ass.
I have tested the Computers boot up several times in the last 3 hours and all is good. :rock:

[ReallyDedPoet]

I have tested the Computers boot up several times in the last 3 hours and all is good. :rock:

Nice job figuring this out :up:

Hopefully all will continue to run smooth :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

So, with the news that Win 7 and 8 user will get a free upgrade to Win 10, I guess I am wondering should I get that new laptop now...and upgrade to Win 10 this fall? :hmmm:

[DragonRider]

Nice job figuring this out :up:

Hopefully all will continue to run smooth :yep:

Nope All went south Again darn it :nope:

[DragonRider]

Looks like the Sniper 5 motherboard also suffered from this issue with Windows 8 and I put it down to a board fault :stare: Lets hope they get this sorted with windows 10

[Blebby]

I don't know why people bash windows 8 so much and love windows 7 instead. I find them almost the same. They look the same except the start menu, which now has another function (useful on tablets and useless on pc). And all the old start menu functions (like shut down, control panel, search etc) are moved to the charms bar to the right. Is it that hard to take this slight change ? I runs way faster than windows 7 and I haven't got any blue screens or crashes for 3 years and I haven't formatted my drive in 3 years also. I can't say that for win 7. Windows 10 will get some windows 7 layout back since people nagged so much.

[HunterICX]

People bashed 8 due the fact that the new menu with those tiles and the new way of navigating toward the basic pc features without the start button simply does not belong on a non-touchscreen device like a laptop or desktop. I never had issues with Windows 8 using it on a smartphone or tablet as with the touch screen as it works great.

but navigating it with the mouse which I tried on a non-touchscreen laptop and a desktop at work my experience was a nightmare...why remove a button I happen to use the most to acces the basic fuctions of my PC...as I like my background clean I usually open programs and games via the start button, go to my control panel or Hard drive and shut of my PC. This waving my mouse to the edge of the screen to acces different features of my PC just doesn't work for me. If I could have that screen stuck on the edge I would've probably done so...but wait isn't that what a start button is for?!

So instead of a more sensible option when you install the new windows that you get to pick how the user interface should be like ''Win 8'' or ''Classic Windows (No tiles, clean desktop and start button) your stuck with an interface design that many PC users have voiced their opinion about which where pretty much about ugly tiles and lack of start button. What I am actually voicing is that companies like Microsoft should be reminded what a PC stands for with the emphasis on the Personal bit. People like to personalize their Computers so Windows IMO should be as well be able to handle such a simple thing. If you like the Tiles...fine, if not have them removed, if you like to wave your mouse to the edge of the screen fine, if you prefer a button there you go.

[Blebby]

I'm not impressed about the tiles. In fact, I don't even use them. Maybe sometimes the weather app. Not having a start menu wasn't a deal breaker for me and the rest is win 7 business as usual.

[Sailor Steve]

@ Hunter ICX: I keep telling people over and over that 8.1 addresses that very problem. There are at least two programs I know of that add the Menu Button back in. I use the one called Classic Shell and I use Win 8.1 exactly the way I did my old XP system.

But nobody listens. :dead:

Do I have complaints? Yes. They screwed up Media Player. They screwed up the User Account Control. There are fixes for both, but there shouldn't have to be. Despite these complaints I have no real problems. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nope All went south Again darn it :nope:


Sorry to hear that.

[HunterICX]

@ Hunter ICX: I keep telling people over and over that 8.1 addresses that very problem. There are at least two programs I know of that add the Menu Button back in. I use the one called Classic Shell and I use Win 8.1 exactly the way I did my old XP system.

But nobody listens. :dead:

Do I have complaints? Yes. They screwed up Media Player. They screwed up the User Account Control. There are fixes for both, but there shouldn't have to be. Despite these complaints I have no real problems. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

I did listen, I'm aware of some fixes and the 8.1 update and that's why I said ''Bashed'' instead of ''Bash'' as I'm pretty aware that some people are quite happy with it now. I wouldn't say no to 8.1 now but I wouldn't shelf out another 150-200$ for a Windows 8 License whilst I got Windows 7 as I find it for myself that it shows minor improvements to justifiy the price tag.

Windows 10 license seems to be free for the ones that update to it within the first year of release so I see little reason to complain about that :D

[Blebby]

I don't understand this "free on the first year" thing. What happens on the 2nd year ? Do I have to buy it ? How is this any help ? A discount would of been nice. It's not like it is subscription based.

[HunterICX]

I don't understand this "free on the first year" thing. What happens on the 2nd year ? Do I have to buy it ? How is this any help ? A discount would of been nice. It's not like it is subscription based.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/what-windows-as-a-service-and-a-free-upgrade-mean-at-home-and-at-work/

Windows 10 is changing that. As announced last week (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/windows-10-free-for-all-windows-8-1-and-windows-7-users-for-first-year/), current users of Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 will be able to upgrade to Windows 10 for no cost. Microsoft says that this will be a limited time offer that will run one year from the release of Windows 10; we honestly wouldn't be tremendously surprised to see that limited time offer extended.
Subsequently, and in some ways even more importantly, those new Windows 10 machines will continue to receive updates "for the lifetime of the device—at no cost." Those paid major version upgrades that Windows has historically had will be going away; once you're on the Windows 10 train, you're on the Windows train, and you'll continue to receive a steady stream of updates and upgrades until your system stops working and you buy or build a new one.
Basically, you're being offered a one time upgrade ticket to update your Windows 7 and 8 system to Windows 10, once you upgraded that license will last till the day you build/buy a new system or unfortuntely your system stops working. The offer for a free upgrade license from Win 7 & 8 to Win 10 is only 1 year after release.

[Sailor Steve]

I wouldn't say no to 8.1 now but I wouldn't shelf out another 150-200$ for a Windows 8 License whilst I got Windows 7 as I find it for myself that it shows minor improvements to justifiy the price tag.
That's an excellent point. Why pay a bundle just to get what you already have?

Windows 10 license seems to be free for the ones that update to it within the first year of release so I see little reason to complain about that :D
That seems pretty cool.

What does bug me in 8.1 are the changes made to a couple of parts, mainly Media Player. They took out the best parts of that program and when anybody complains they waste everybody's time explaining why it's better now. One advantage of 7 seems to be that MP 12 is integrated into Windows 8 and you can't replace it with an older version without breaking everything. I'm hoping 10 will resolve that.

[ReallyDedPoet]

@ I use the one called Classic Shell and I use Win 8.1 exactly the way I did my old XP system.


Great program. Thanks for posting Steve :yep::up:

[CaptainHaplo]

I refuse to use W8, with or without fixes. It is a hybrid OS and as such I have no use for it.

With that said - W10 I like. Like, but not love. Its in tech preview so some things will change - and that is good. The "sliding side bar menu" frames that pop up really can screw up gaming (especially when using dosbox). Sleep mode that I don't want sticks around and is used way to often, etc... Other than that and a few other tweaks under the hood that are currently locked (can be unlocked but not worth it) its a solid OS.

They seriously need to stop pushing the cloud though - even installing requires "online credentials" (though madeup email accounts work).

By the time it "goes gold" I suspect a lot of the issue will be resolved.

[STEED]

I was reading on some tech site Win10 will be made up of XP Win7/8 to what percentage they did not say. And some new stuff as well.

[Jeff-Groves]

I was reading on some tech site Win10 will be made up of XP Win7/8 to what percentage they did not say. And some new stuff as well.
If that's true I'll be looking for an error message like this.
:o
http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2010/08/198683,xcitefun-funny-error-15.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

MS getting smarter :)

"We've also heard loud and clear that many Windows Insiders want to see Aero Glass from Windows 7 make a comeback," Aul wrote. "We've been working out how to satisfy this request, and are trying some things out with this build to see how you like them."

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2917048/microsoft-windows/microsoft-updates-windows-10-in-record-time.html

[STEED]

There will be no Win11

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32658340

[Jimbuna]

His comments were echoed by Microsoft which said it would update Windows in future in an "ongoing manner".
Instead of new stand-alone versions, Windows 10 would be improved in regular instalments, the firm said.

Good to know.

[Onkel Neal]

Microsoft Wraps Its Windows 10 Pitch, Here’s What You Need To Know

http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/01/microsoft-wraps-its-windows-10-pitch-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

Microsoft announced today that Windows 10 will be available on July 29. The date matches prior leaks and promises from the company regarding when the new operating system will touch down. The release schedule also puts Windows 10 into the market before the back-to-school PC sales cycle, and, of course, the holiday season.

The software company is, in other words, putting itself in as good a spot as it can be to get Windows 10 into the hands of as many PC buyers as possible. The company also announced a ‘reserve‘ program that allows people to sign up, in a sense, for Windows 10. The new code, of course, will be a free upgrade for most PC users.

New laptop in 60 days....:rock:

[AVGWarhawk]

I got the offer today. I installed a new version of 7 over my Vista(that had not real issues for me but slowly losing support) last year.

If MS will provide me with free OS I will certainly take them up on it.

[Onkel Neal]

Oh dang, it's being promoted by Bill himself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyg-DYm7b0A):o

[Task Force]

So, has it been determined if this will mess with my Windows 7 license? It will still be active if I do this magic upgrade, and will still work if I install 7 again after 10 blows itself up?

Sadly... Many of the applications I use don't run on Linux so, stuck with Windows.

[Jimbuna]

Microsoft announced today that Windows 10 will be available on July 29. The date matches prior leaks and promises from the company regarding when the new operating system will touch down. The release schedule also puts Windows 10 into the market before the back-to-school PC sales cycle, and, of course, the holiday season.

The software company is, in other words, putting itself in as good a spot as it can be to get Windows 10 into the hands of as many PC buyers as possible. The company also announced a ‘reserve‘ program that allows people to sign up, in a sense, for Windows 10. The new code, of course, will be a free upgrade for most PC users.

Signed up for the free upgrade offer the other day and now realise W10 will be available on my birthday :cool:

[AVGWarhawk]

Signed up for the free upgrade offer the other day and now realise W10 will be available on my birthday :cool:

Bill Gates wanted to send you something on your birthday. Enjoy!

[Jimbuna]

Bill Gates wanted to send you something on your birthday. Enjoy!

Well I'll certainly give it a spin Chris because I can always revert back to my W7 installation disc if I don't rate W10 :)

[Doolar]

Neal , I'd stick with the Win95 machine

[STEED]

I am not going to bother as percentage of it I have just a rejigged look another percentage of it I hate and the rest yea not bad. As I'm 80% against it they can stuff it, I will stick with Win8.1 thank you. Anyway it could muck up my PC no thanks.

[Onkel Neal]

Neal , I'd stick with the Win95 machine



Haha, that's awesome. I'm a real holdout myself, my gaming computer still runs XP, and if I had a choice, so would my work laptop. I have no idea if Windows will get this right, especially in light of their past performance. They are about 50% for efficient O/S, in my book.

Windows: 3.0: B-
Win95: B+
Win 98: B
Win 2000: C-
Win XP: A
Win Vista: B-
Win 7: A+
Win 8: F
Win 9: MIA
Win 10: ?

If MS could just solve the problem I always have, that a PC will begin to slow down and get really crappy performance after a few years, needing some kind of extraordinary maintenance, like backing up, reformatting, and reinstalling everything, I would be happy.:ping:

[Onkel Neal]

Dvorak says wait on Win10, (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485689,00.asp) it's looking like another MS stumble :wah:

[STEED]

Dvorak says wait on Win10, (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485689,00.asp) it's looking like another MS stumble :wah:

Fools rush in while the clever dicks sit back with a gin and tonic having a good laugh. :03: :)

Hey the dude in the video thanks for the info on the logo I never noticed it until now.

[Sailor Steve]

Win 8: F
As I keep repeating, I use Window's 8.1 and have no real problems with it.

[d@rk51d3]

I got the offer today. I installed a new version of 7 over my Vista(that had not real issues for me but slowly losing support) last year.

If MS will provide me with free OS I will certainly take them up on it.

Just did the same. :up:

[HunterICX]

As I keep repeating, I use Window's 8.1 and have no real problems with it.

As of a few months I use it at work and hate it.
I take the positive thing I said that after the updates it might be better back.

To sum up the problems I have, well for someone like me who frequently has to calculate minus or plus taxes on prices on the contracts I have to print out using a calculator and I used the one in Windows everytime. Now open the calculator in Win 8.1 and there you go the most simplest of programs and it takes up the whole screen?!. The OS is called Windows right? not Window. :down: (same with scanning documents I use frequently and reading PDF files) also the constant yapping I need a Microsoft account which I do not want because I can't think of a reason to why I would need one.

And the start button, it's just another button that takes you back to those tiles. :nope:

so I stick to my original statement...it belongs on smartphones and tablets but it's not an OS that belongs on a PC because it's UI, navigating it and design decisions is abismal.

I really wish that XP machine didn't die on me which forced me to get this.

Dvorak says wait on Win10, (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485689,00.asp) it's looking like another MS stumble :wah:

Well since I don't use online storage (don't want, need nor plan to ever use) I personally don't see it as a stumble.

[Jimbuna]

Hey the dude in the video thanks for the info on the logo I never noticed it until now.

You must take your medication every day....try not to forget :):O:

[Onkel Neal]

As I keep repeating, I use Window's 8.1 and have no real problems with it.

That's why I didn't give it an F-

[nikimcbee]

Haha, that's awesome. I'm a real holdout myself, my gaming computer still runs XP, and if I had a choice, so would my work laptop. I have no idea if Windows will get this right, especially in light of their past performance. They are about 50% for efficient O/S, in my book.

Windows: 3.0: B-
Win95: B+
Win 98: B
Win 2000: C-
Win XP: A
Win Vista: B-
Win 7: A+
Win 8: F
Win 9: MIA
Win 10: ?

If MS could just solve the problem I always have, that a PC will begin to slow down and get really crappy performance after a few years, needing some kind of extraordinary maintenance, like backing up, reformatting, and reinstalling everything, I would be happy.:ping:

Good list. I hate win 8. It's just re-arranging the deck furniture, but harder to find. I think MS has their own version of Intel's tick-tock theory that is driving their company, except MS can take something good and totally ruin it.:shifty:

[aanker]

Yes, Great list.... I didn't have the problems with Win ME that I read about so I liked it, liked Win XP, and now I like and have Win7. Just didn't like the look of the Win8.x, so I am a Win7 devotee, and not the only one... lol

I was surprised this wasn't a topic on how to remove the annoying 'free upgrade to Win10' icon in the task bar right side 'tray'. It took a few of us a day or two to figure that one out... not just me.

To remove it, I uninstalled the Update that installed the nagware, hid the update on 'Windows Update' so it wouldn't come back, plus did the same with any of the 'prepare your computer for Win10' updates... (I think there were two).

Win10 does look like a lot better OS, however keeping things in 'the cloud' instead of on my hard drive is a concept I'm not sure I like - yet - because of Privacy issues.

Who knows if my Programs & 'Games will work with Win 10... that's important as Fitzcarraldo and others have mentioned.
Dear comrades:

Today (June 12-2015), I received the "icon" with the link for the reserve of the free update to Windows 10. I have Windows 7 Home Premium.

29th July will be the day for the download.

What about our dear subsims? Some idea about the correct work of SH3, SH4, SH5, DW, etc....under the new OS? Convenient or not?

Being free, it is interesting to upgrade to W10, but if after that I can not run my dears subsims (and others programs I bought as Acrobat, Photoshop, etc; or freewares as WinRAR, etc)....my fury will be colossal.

Waiting comments, please!!!

All the best.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

Now open the calculator in Win 8.1 and there you go the most simplest of programs and it takes up the whole screen?!.
I can't speak to that. They've ruined the calculator. I'm sorry to hear that. They've also ruined Media Player by taking out the Advanced Tag Editor function. But that has nothing to do with the OS, except that you can't change to an earlier version. On the other hand someone has made a replacement across-the-board media editor that works just fine.

They've ruined a couple of other things as well, but as I said I have no problems with the basic system.

And the start button, it's just another button that takes you back to those tiles. :nope:
Not for me. I use Classic Shell, and my computer opens to the same desktop the old one did. The only time I ever see the tiles is if I want to find something I keep hidden on that screen.

so I stick to my original statement...it belongs on smartphones and tablets but it's not an OS that belongs on a PC because it's UI, navigating it and design decisions is abismal.
And as I said, for me it works just fine, and looks just like my old XP machine.

[Herr-Berbunch]

As of a few months I use it at work and hate it.


And the start button, it's just another button that takes you back to those tiles. :nope:

so I stick to my original statement...it belongs on smartphones and tablets but it's not an OS that belongs on a PC because it's UI, navigating it and design decisions is abismal.


So the old PC at work finally died, that's a good couple of years you (work) got out of it, I remember you complaining about it on irc.

Good list. I hate win 8. It's just re-arranging the deck furniture, but harder to find. I think MS has their own version of Intel's tick-tock theory that is driving their company, except MS can take something good and totally ruin it.:shifty:

I read about Intel's tick tocking a week or so ago.

Win 8 has its place on tablets, and 10 is too similar for regular desktop work.

7 will be my new build.

[Dowly]

I am purely guessing, but it might be a good idea to hold on to Win7. I bet a lot of program devs do so too, seeing how Win7 was the last good, "something new" windows.

Though, if your programs only involve Adobe, then you're safe. I'm sure they release Adobe 2016 with nothing new, but support for Windows 10. :O:

[HunterICX]

So the old PC at work finally died, that's a good couple of years you (work) got out of it, I remember you complaining about it on irc.

Yep, I think it was about that time the PSU was having a temperamental fit. Random power downs and boot up cycles at the most inconvenient of times whilst trying to do my work :)

In total it gone through a crashed HDD and a failing PSU before a few months ago it simply refused to boot up. I would recon a good 7-8 years of service.

[Dowly]

How do you guys break that stuff? I have never, ever broken anything on my PC.. and I have no case ventilation (sides are open completely).

Damn n00bs. :O:

[Jeff-Groves]

How do you guys break that stuff? I have never, ever broken anything on my PC.. and I have no case ventilation (sides are open completely).

Damn n00bs. :O:

Don't you people in the Northern Waste Lands have to pump heat into your PC's to keep them from locking up?
:hmmm:
:03:

[Dowly]

Don't you people in the Northern Waste Lands have to pump heat into your PC's to keep them from locking up?
:hmmm:
:03:
Them polar bears do it for us. Just need to make sure they've got enough penguins for snacks. :yep:

[McBeck]

Haha, that's awesome. I'm a real holdout myself, my gaming computer still runs XP, and if I had a choice, so would my work laptop. I have no idea if Windows will get this right, especially in light of their past performance. They are about 50% for efficient O/S, in my book.

Windows: 3.0: B-
Win95: B+
Win 98: B
Win 2000: C-
Win XP: A
Win Vista: B-
Win 7: A+
Win 8: F
Win 9: MIA
Win 10: ?

If MS could just solve the problem I always have, that a PC will begin to slow down and get really crappy performance after a few years, needing some kind of extraordinary maintenance, like backing up, reformatting, and reinstalling everything, I would be happy.:ping:
That list is a mix of both the home and professional versions.
If you were looking to make it a "home" list, then replace Win2000 with Win ME ;)

[McBeck]

On another note...what about price?
Theres been rumours that you have to pay a annual fee...

[AVGWarhawk]

On another note...what about price?
Theres been rumours that you have to pay a annual fee...

There will be no annual fee.

[Onkel Neal]

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2946845/microsoft-windows/pc-makers-tighten-inventories-remain-edgy-about-windows-10.html

Who would have thunk, the personal computer is becoming obsolete :06:



Three years ago, inventories surged as PC makers cranked out devices -- 85 million in the second quarter of 2012, 88 million in the third -- figuring that Windows 8 was going to be a big hit and juice sales. That didn't happen.

"There were a lot of [retail and distribution] customers buying additional inventory and promoting Windows 8," Loverde said. "The [negative] impact on inventory is more substantial this time, and everyone is taking a wait-and-see approach, thinking that they'll make decisions in the second half of the year."

Some of the nervousness on the part of computer makers revolves around the upgrade offer Microsoft will extend to all consumers and many businesses with existing PCs running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1. Starting July 29, Microsoft will give those customers a free upgrade to Windows 10. The deal will expire a year later, on July 29, 2016.

"It's even riskier when the market is declining," Loverde said of carrying large inventories.

And the PC business has been in decline, and will continue to contract.

IDC has held to its prediction that for 2015, global PC shipments will be down 6.2% from last year's 308 million, or to around 289 million. (That may change to an even more depressing number; Loverde said IDC had not yet adjusted the figure to account for the worse-than-expected second quarter.) In 2016, the industry will shrink by another 2%.

http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/07/pc-shipments-idc-100595971-large.idge.jpg

[HW3]

I do not think it is so much that they are becoming obsolete, as it is that the need to upgrade is not there like it was in the early days.

[avers]

hey guys, is anyone here going to upgrade to windows 10 and will anyone know if I could play SH with mods on Windows 10?

[Sailor Steve]

Ask me tomorrow.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=218037

[Jimbuna]

Currently running W7 and have signed up for the free upgrade to W10 so will give it a go and reinstall W7 should the need arise.

[fred8615]

I'm upgrading. I've been an Insider since the end of January. The stock game will load in 10, but I didn't do much more than that with it. Mods shouldn't affect it in that manner.

[Dowly]

Windows 10 Is Quietly Sharing Your WiFi Password (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/28/windows-10-wifi-sharing/)

In a nutshell, there’s this feature in Windows 10 which will automatically share your wifi passwords with any and all Outlook, Skype and Facebook contacts who also use Win 10. Or, were they to manually enter your password into their Win 10 device, it would by default be treated as ‘their’ network and shared with their contacts.

[AVGWarhawk]

Windows 10 Is Quietly Sharing Your WiFi Password (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/28/windows-10-wifi-sharing/)

This is WiFi Sense. My Windows Phone 8.1 has this feature and will find WiFi and use it automatically. But only if the server allows my phone to connect. No PW no connect.

[Wolferz]

Microdaft crafted each new operating system off of the old one with a few extra bells and whistles thrown in so they didn't have to write new buzz words for their ad campaign and the psycho babble you read while it's installing.:woot:
Ten will likely be more of the same.

[avers]

Well I've reserved my free download (and just in time) so I'm getting 10.

[fireftr18]

My wife and I both reserved our free download. She has Windows 8 and will be upgrading to 10. I'm going to see if I like it before I upgrade mine.

[Commander Wallace]

Microdaft crafted each new operating system off of the old one with a few extra bells and whistles thrown in so they didn't have to write new buzz words for their ad campaign and the psycho babble you read while it's installing.:woot:
Ten will likely be more of the same.

My understanding of the new system is that is built from the ground up. This information is however from retailers who have a vested interest in selling new machines and software. I guess only time will tell once people start running 10. If anyone has experience with it, please post.

[Wolferz]

My understanding of the new system is that is built from the ground up. This information is however from retailers who have a vested interest in selling new machines and software. I guess only time will tell once people start running 10. If anyone has experience with it, please post.

Ground up previous versions.:yep::03::O:

I do have a copy reserved for my and milady's rigs.
We'll see how good it is. Wish me luck.
From the pre-release hype, it's touted to easily mesh with all of your devices. Not a feature that everyone needs so, they're giving everyone a taste to get them hooked on all the new media interface hardware.
They want us to buy more junk to keep up with.:-?

[avers]

Has anyone gotten there free windows 10? I still haven't.

[Jimbuna]

Has anyone gotten there free windows 10? I still haven't.

I'm still waiting but it is going to be released in batches.

[Rockin Robbins]

What do you think about the Windows 10 nag-adware "update" program being called GWX.exe? I say sue 'em!:D

[Commander Wallace]

Ground up previous versions.:yep::03::O:

I do have a copy reserved for my and milady's rigs.
We'll see how good it is. Wish me luck.
From the pre-release hype, it's touted to easily mesh with all of your devices. Not a feature that everyone needs so, they're giving everyone a taste to get them hooked on all the new media interface hardware.
They want us to buy more junk to keep up with.:-?

Hey, it might be really good, lol. :O: Windows 10 is said to use way less memory than windows vista or Windows 7

Best of luck with the change over to 10. Let us know your thoughts on it and how it works. Neil had posted on how to make the Silent Hunter series work with any version of windows. I wonder if a interface of sorts may be needed If the architecture of windows 10 differs from previous versions. Like Fred said in this thread, it loads but Fred didn't say which SH he was playing. Hope it works for you Avers and everyone else. :up:

[d@rk51d3]

Upgraded to 10 last night. Looks a bit like win 7 with elements of 8 added (from the little I've seen of 8)
Startup and logon is quite a bit slower than 7. Mind you, its a core2 duo with only 4 gigs of RAM.
I'm stuck with a now redundant install of MSE, which won't uninstall. Had to knock up a batch file to strip it from the registry and startup.

So far, not so bad.

[Oberon]

What do you think about the Windows 10 nag-adware "update" program being called GWX.exe? I say sue 'em!:D

I've got to admit, that made me double-take too when I saw it running in the processes, I thought for a moment Jim might have hijacked my computer, but then I remembered that it wasn't a limo so it should be ok. :yeah:

[avers]

I still haven't gotten my free download yet, I hope I get it today.

[August]

XP still works great for me... :)

[Onkel Neal]

I've got to admit, that made me double-take too when I saw it running in the processes, I thought for a moment Jim might have hijacked my computer, but then I remembered that it wasn't a limo so it should be ok. :yeah:

:k_rofl:

That limo story will never get old.

[Jeff-Groves]

That limo story will never get old.

As long as I'm around?
I'll never let him live it down!
:har:

I may just put it in my will that I give Jim a free Limo of his choice.
:D

[Jimbuna]

What do you think about the Windows 10 nag-adware "update" program being called GWX.exe? I say sue 'em!:D

I've got to admit, that made me double-take too when I saw it running in the processes, I thought for a moment Jim might have hijacked my computer, but then I remembered that it wasn't a limo so it should be ok. :yeah:

LOL I haven't received the free upgrade yet :)

[STEED]

Friend of mind got it now his PC is in dry dock under repair! Don't ask me what he did or did not all I got was a load of bleeps off him cursing Win10.

I'm holding off and will make my mind up next June before the years free upgrade goes.

[HW3]

Upgraded my HP laptop last night from Windows 7, so far so good. It will take some getting use to though.

[avers]

I'm kind of worried, I still haven't gotten my upgrade and when I go into my updates history, there is an update called Windows 10 Home, but it says it's failed to download.

[Sailor Steve]

I said "ask me tomorrow". Tomorrow came and went, and is now yesterday. Today is a new tomorrow, and no, I haven't received mine yet either.

Maybe tomorrow.
:rotfl2:

[Raptor1]

You can upgrade immediately by making a Windows 10 installation disc/USB drive (here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)) and running it on Windows 7/8. You can theoretically make a fresh installation of Windows 10 too but it didn't like my Windows 7 serial for some reason.

I'm not terribly impressed with Windows 10 so far. I think the interface is worse than Windows 7, and it's not nearly as customizable. It's also utterly rife with Microsloth's counter-productive attempts to be user friendly, I guess, by taking away options in favour of the operating system doing whatever it wants, obstructing simple things and using confusing terminology (I still haven't out what 'apps' are supposed to be, for example). I also turned off about a dozen options relating to data collection to 'improve my experience', though it probably still does that, and there are various other fundamentally stupid features infesting it (Wi-Fi Sense is the infamous one).

That's not to say it's unusable. I haven't had any problems with program compatibility so far. Pretty much everything I tried worked (once I got things like UAC, which can no longer reliably be turned off, to stop breaking them), including a couple of semi-esoteric drivers which still haven't been properly updated. I'd be very surprised if any games which worked on Windows 7/8 would have trouble with this one. But if you don't have any interest in the new interface or any of Windows 10's new features (like DirectX 12, which still isn't being used by anything), I don't think there are any reasons to upgrade for now. Unless you're running Windows 8, that is...

[XabbaRus]

Got mine. Download was slow but then I suppose everyone is trying to download it. I've installed and it seems find.

Had to reboot as my touchpad was a little iffy but all is well now.

[STEED]

I'm not terribly impressed with Windows 10 so far. I think the interface is worse than Windows 7, and it's not nearly as customizable. It's also utterly rife with Microsloth's counter-productive attempts to be user friendly, I guess, by taking away options in favour of the operating system doing whatever it wants, obstructing simple things and using confusing terminology (I still haven't out what 'apps' are supposed to be, for example). I also turned off about a dozen options relating to data collection to 'improve my experience', though it probably still does that, and there are various other fundamentally stupid features infesting it (Wi-Fi Sense is the infamous one).

That's not to say it's unusable. I haven't had any problems with program compatibility so far. Pretty much everything I tried worked (once I got things like UAC, which can no longer reliably be turned off, to stop breaking them), including a couple of semi-esoteric drivers which still haven't been properly updated. I'd be very surprised if any games which worked on Windows 7/8 would have trouble with this one. But if you don't have any interest in the new interface or any of Windows 10's new features (like DirectX 12, which still isn't being used by anything), I don't think there are any reasons to upgrade for now. Unless you're running Windows 8, that is...

This does not make me feel should I upgrade from my Win8.1 and that is why I holding off until next year. So far for me I'm 65% not bothering, where I stand on this next year will decide it for me.

[avers]

has anyone seen the same thing I mentioned in my last post or could someone look in there OS updates history to see if you have the same thing?

[AVGWarhawk]

has anyone seen the same thing I mentioned in my last post or could someone look in there OS updates history to see if you have the same thing?

Try this method to force install:

http://microsoft-news.com/windows-10-free-upgrade-still-not-showing-up-this-trick-will-help/

[avers]

I tried that method and it still won't download, is there any other way to download?

[fred8615]

Like Fred said in this thread, it loads but Fred didn't say which SH he was playing.
Sorry. 1.5.

I waited until about 4:00 pm yesterday, then just ended up doing a manual upgrade. So far everything works, but a couple of things are not like in the preview version. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

I tried that method and it still won't download, is there any other way to download?

Open up your Windows Update. Once open showing any updates your computer needs(or none) look at the bottom and see if it states Window 10 confirmed but pending download(something like that). This means it has not been sent to your machine yet. If you do not see this at the bottom of the update screen click on update history and see if Windows 10 update has failed. If that does not show then the update has not been sent to your computer. If it does show in the history as a fail, right click to see the details of failure.

[avers]

Upgrade to Windows 10 Home
Installation date: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 3:53 PM
Installation status: Failed
Error details: Code 80246007
Update type: Important
Install the next version of Windows.
More information:
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=507415
Help and Support:
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=507417

The update did fail and these are the details, what could be wrong?

[AVGWarhawk]

Upgrade to Windows 10 Home
Installation date: ‎7/‎30/‎2015 3:53 PM
Installation status: Failed
Error details: Code 80246007
Update type: Important
Install the next version of Windows.
More information:
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=507415
Help and Support:
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=507417

The update did fail and these are the details, what could be wrong?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-update-error-80246007#1TC=windows-7

[Wolferz]

I still haven't gotten my free download yet, I hope I get it today.


It's being done in waves (right up our alley:up:)

It'll wash over you shortly I'm sure.:03::yep:

Millions of downloads all at once will swamp their Windows 3.0 servers.

[andy_311]

Upgraded mine today now my pc looks like my mobile phone with a bunch of apps I won't even use.

[avers]

I followed your link and still shows up as a failed download so idk what's happening.

[Wolferz]

I followed your link and still shows up as a failed download so idk what's happening.

Not trying to be a smartaleck or anything but, I think you'll need a better internet connection than the two tin cans on a string.:03:
Remember, it's microdaft after all. They went to defecate and the hogs ate them after Billy boy retired.
Windows 8.0 was clear proof. :hmmm:

[avers]

I don't really know how to improve my connection, my PC and router are in the same room and my room is big and there at opposite ends of the room so I don't know how to run an Ethernet cable to my PC.

[Commander Wallace]

Sorry. 1.5.

I waited until about 4:00 pm yesterday, then just ended up doing a manual upgrade. So far everything works, but a couple of things are not like in the preview version. :hmmm:


Thanks Fred. I'm sure once everyone gets a feel for Windows 10, any bugs will get worked out with regards to gaming and everything else. If not, one can always partition their hard drive and have a number of separate operating systems with which to play their games while working out any issues with windows 10. Like August said, he still has XP and I'm sure many others still have Windows 7 or XP they work with in their gaming.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't really know how to improve my connection, my PC and router are in the same room and my room is big and there at opposite ends of the room so I don't know how to run an Ethernet cable to my PC.

Go here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

I had the same issue. Found this link and selected 64bit for my system. Worked like a charm.

[Sailor Steve]

Hmm. I haven't heard anything from MS yet, but when I clicked your link and followed the instructions it asked me if I wanted to download Win10 now. I clicked "Yes". We'll see what happens next.

[Sailor Steve]

I have it downloaded and installed. It took awhile, but I encountered no problems. Everything seems to be working well so far. :sunny:

[Sailor Steve]

Only two negatives so far:

1. Clicking the Start button still takes you to the Start Page - the one with all the tiles. Re-installing Classic Shell took care of that. Other than that the Start Page doesn't exist, unless you want to look at something there.

2. Microsoft Edge (the replacement for Windows Explorer) works fine, but all my Favorites disappeared. The good news is that they are all stored in a folder in Windows/Users, so I can re-install them. I'm only doing this one-at-a-time as I go to each page.

Other than that I don't see much difference from 8.1, which seems to be a good thing.

[Onkel Neal]

Open up your Windows Update. Once open showing any updates your computer needs(or none) look at the bottom and see if it states Window 10 confirmed but pending download(something like that). This means it has not been sent to your machine yet. If you do not see this at the bottom of the update screen click on update history and see if Windows 10 update has failed. If that does not show then the update has not been sent to your computer. If it does show in the history as a fail, right click to see the details of failure.

If I do not see Windows 10 as an update option, does that mean my 6 year old laptop won't run it? :hmmm:

[Commander Wallace]

Only two negatives so far:

1. Clicking the Start button still takes you to the Start Page - the one with all the tiles. Re-installing Classic Shell took care of that. Other than that the Start Page doesn't exist, unless you want to look at something there.

2. Microsoft Edge (the replacement for Windows Explorer) works fine, but all my Favorites disappeared. The good news is that they are all stored in a folder in Windows/Users, so I can re-install them. I'm only doing this one-at-a-time as I go to each page.

Other than that I don't see much difference from 8.1, which seems to be a good thing.


Try this procedure Steve to use Mozilla or any other browser you want. This should give you back your favorites


Upgrading to Windows 10 will automatically make Microsoft Edge your PC's default Web browser, even if you used a different browser when your PC was running Windows 7 or Windows 8. You can make Mozilla Firefox, Google (GOOGL (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=GOOGL&source=story_quote_link), Tech30 (http://money.cnn.com/technology/tech30/index.html?iid=EL)) Chrome, Apple (AAPL (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AAPL&source=story_quote_link), Tech30 (http://money.cnn.com/technology/tech30/index.html?iid=EL)) Safari or another app your default browser in Windows 10, but it's not as easy or intuitive to do that as it was in previous versions of Windows.


1) Click the "Use this as my default browser" button. That will launch the Settings app, opened to the "Choose default apps" tab.


2) Click on the Microsoft Edge logo. Picking a browser won't immediately be visible: You'll have to scroll down to where it says "Web browser," and click on Edge -- something Mozilla notes "may not be intuitive."

3) Click on the browser of your choice. You'll be prompted to choose an app (Mozilla would appreciate it if you chose Firefox, but Microsoft will show you all of the browsers installed on your PC). Close the window to save your changes.

At that point you can choose and save your favorites within the browser of your choice.


I hope this helps you and everyone else

[Sailor Steve]

Cortana found the solution for me. Cortana is the new MS locator service, operating directly from the task bar. You can talk to it directly, though I have that part disabled. I also closed the task bar Cortana window, as it takes up a lot of space. Just a few minutes ago I was wondering if I had spelled a word correctly. When I highlighted the word and right-clicked on it, one of the options that came up was "Ask Cortana." Sure enough, it found it right away.

I'm liking it so far. :sunny:

[AVGWarhawk]

If I do not see Windows 10 as an update option, does that mean my 6 year old laptop won't run it? :hmmm:

The age of the computer is not what keeping the update from loading. The OS is what is used to determine. Vista, 7, 8. A few post back I posted a link directly to the download for 32/64 bit. Give it a try.

[AVGWarhawk]

Cortana found the solution for me. Cortana is the new MS locator service, operating directly from the task bar. You can talk to it directly, though I have that part disabled. I also closed the task bar Cortana window, as it takes up a lot of space. Just a few minutes ago I was wondering if I had spelled a word correctly. When I highlighted the word and right-clicked on it, one of the options that came up was "Ask Cortana." Sure enough, it found it right away.

I'm liking it so far. :sunny:

I installed last night. It is a mix of W7 and 8. A bit funky compared to stand alone 7 but I'm used to the tiles and such as I have a Windows Phone 8.1. Cortana on my phone addresses me as Lord. It is kind of fun when she says, "May I help you, Lord?"

Anyway, it is supper nice to have my phone and computer sync flawlessly. Other than that my games run. No other issues found.

Thanks for the freebie MS! :up:

[HW3]

2. Microsoft Edge (the replacement for Windows Explorer) works fine, but all my Favorites disappeared.

Steve, up at the top of the browser window on the right side there is a symbol that looks like three horizontal lines. Click on it and there should be an option to import your favorites there. It allowed me to import both my explorer and google bookmarks into one file and alphabetized them too.

[avers]

Go here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

I had the same issue. Found this link and selected 64bit for my system. Worked like a charm.

Thank you, Warhawk for helping, I followed your link and my pc is currently upgrading (I'm using my tablet for posting right now) and we'll see what happens.

[Sailor Steve]

Steve, up at the top of the browser window on the right side there is a symbol that looks like three horizontal lines. Click on it and there should be an option to import your favorites there. It allowed me to import both my explorer and google bookmarks into one file and alphabetized them too.
Thanks. :sunny:

[avers]

Nvmd, games runnin smooth today.

[joea]

My computer is five years old, until I hear SH3/GWX, SH4, Il2-46 and Steel Fury run well on Windows 10 I won't upgrade. :)

[Sailor Steve]

I'm running SH3 and SH4 just fine, no problems. I didn't have to reinstall either one.

I don't play the others.

[XabbaRus]

Well I have had Windows 10 a couple of days. In fact I prefer it over 8.1 in that it has done away with the Metro layout, unless you decide to use tablet mode which on a PC or Laptop is pointless. I like that the start menu is back and more or less resembles Windows 7. I don't know why some people are complaining about the phone icons. I removed most from my start menu.

I also only use a local account not an MS one as I don't want to be connected to the cloud and I don't trust MS not to be sniffing at what I do regardless of how much I have turned off.

None of my games work.

Dangerous Waters doesn't work, Medieval 2 Total War doesn't work. Well they load but I get no graphics and can hear the music.

Battlezone which ran fine under Windows 8.1 just doesn't run at all. Apart from that I like it.

[avers]

Well I have had Windows 10 a couple of days. In fact I prefer it over 8.1 in that it has done away with the Metro layout, unless you decide to use tablet mode which on a PC or Laptop is pointless. I like that the start menu is back and more or less resembles Windows 7. I don't know why some people are complaining about the phone icons. I removed most from my start menu.

I also only use a local account not an MS one as I don't want to be connected to the cloud and I don't trust MS not to be sniffing at what I do regardless of how much I have turned off.

None of my games work.

Dangerous Waters doesn't work, Medieval 2 Total War doesn't work. Well they load but I get no graphics and can hear the music.

Battlezone which ran fine under Windows 8.1 just doesn't run at all. Apart from that I like it.

Try reinstalling the games, I had to do that for total war attila.

[XabbaRus]

I installed Medieval 2 Total War after upgrading to Windows 10

[Fubar2Niner]

No creative x-fi fatility drivers untill October earliest.

[d@rk51d3]

Well I have had Windows 10 a couple of days. In fact I prefer it over 8.1 in that it has done away with the Metro layout, unless you decide to use tablet mode which on a PC or Laptop is pointless. I like that the start menu is back and more or less resembles Windows 7. I don't know why some people are complaining about the phone icons. I removed most from my start menu.

I also only use a local account not an MS one as I don't want to be connected to the cloud and I don't trust MS not to be sniffing at what I do regardless of how much I have turned off.

None of my games work.

Dangerous Waters doesn't work, Medieval 2 Total War doesn't work. Well they load but I get no graphics and can hear the music.

Battlezone which ran fine under Windows 8.1 just doesn't run at all. Apart from that I like it.

Have you tried right click, and troubleshoot compatibility?

[XabbaRus]

Yes doesn't work

[STEED]

Win10 is off the hook mucking my friends PC up it has come to light he fell for a email scam claiming to be from Microsoft. Well he has got his Win7 back up and running and sticking with it. Hope he has learn his lesson.



BTW: Is it true Win10 is loaded with back door spyware?

Just something I heard about but without proof I feel this could be scaremongering. :hmmm:

[XabbaRus]

Scaremongering. The main thing is to use a local account if you want to be sure of not sending stuff back to microsoft. I have and I have also turned off as much feedback and info sharing as is possible.

[Jimbuna]

Win10 is off the hook mucking my friends PC up it has come to light he fell for a email scam claiming to be from Microsoft. Well he has got his Win7 back up and running and sticking with it. Hope he has learn his lesson.



BTW: Is it true Win10 is loaded with back door spyware?

Just something I heard about but without proof I feel this could be scaremongering. :hmmm:

I'll wager you'll be next :)

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, not sure how many of you need this warning, but just in case:

A word of warning about your impending Windows 10 upgrade: hide your porn before you do it, and don't leave your computer laying around in tablet mode.

Wife sees husband's hardcore porn slideshow thanks to Windows 10 upgrade (http://www.geek.com/microsoft/wife-sees-husbands-hardcore-porn-slideshow-thanks-to-windows-10-upgrade-1630088/)

[Moonlight]

BTW: Is it true Win10 is loaded with back door spyware?

Just something I heard about but without proof I feel this could be scaremongering. :hmmm:

This link might help you out with that.
http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229

[Jimbuna]

Ok, not sure how many of you need this warning, but just in case:



Wife sees husband's hardcore porn slideshow thanks to Windows 10 upgrade (http://www.geek.com/microsoft/wife-sees-husbands-hardcore-porn-slideshow-thanks-to-windows-10-upgrade-1630088/)

The wife was on my PC yesterday....clean as a whistle...I'm far too old for that crap now :)

[Rockin Robbins]

Win10 is off the hook mucking my friends PC up it has come to light he fell for a email scam claiming to be from Microsoft. Well he has got his Win7 back up and running and sticking with it. Hope he has learn his lesson.



BTW: Is it true Win10 is loaded with back door spyware?

Just something I heard about but without proof I feel this could be scaremongering. :hmmm:
No, I'm afraid if you're scaremongering you also happen to be right. I prescribe some time so we can analyze just what this Windows 10 beast really is. So far many things look bad.

Here's the state of Windows privacy from Vonnie, a guy whose opinion I respect a lot. Without losing his composure and just flaming Microsoft unmercifully (which is what I think they deserve but that does nothing in the cause of education) Vonnie goes option by option and reveals the danger of each privacy invading "feature." Mind you, these are all enabled by default--no opt in here.

His videos, which set the standard for thorough, sober and non-flammable content:
http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q...BDqAy67krLYggQ (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q_o&m=3mVC1cMzE2xsuk2&b=qCVCJdL.BDqAy67krLYggQ)

http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q...YyqYc.B8prNRMw (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q_o&m=3mVC1cMzE2xsuk2&b=cbo.P9QqYyqYc.B8prNRMw)

He doesn't say so, but I think it's fairly clear that Microsoft has turned an operating system into Facebook. I'm opting out of the upgrade for at least six months to see if Microsoft will buy a vowel and decide to respect its customers. If they don't I'm looking for alternatives.

The other disturbing trend is that when you are "upgrading" Windows 10 pays no attention to your browser preferences. Microsoft Edge, which is a cell phone program from the operating system formerly known as Metro, automatically installs as your default browser, replacing Firefox, Chrome or any other browser you might prefer.

You might say "no problem, I can fix that." But Microsoft, much in the same way they introduced trial and terror into setting your machine to boot into the BIOS and let you boot from a CD/DVD by making you select options that NOBODY can possibly understand without the courage to click on unfathomable and never before encountered acronyms, has a browser selection procedure where in order to select Chrome, for instance, you must select Edge to get the selection menu. This violates all concepts, both formal and informal, about how computers should present options, using an option not to enable you to select what you want, but to intimidate you into not selecting the option which will allow you do perform what you wish to accomplish.

To say that is troubling is an understatement. Threre are at least two types of companies, but I'll just use two categories here:

those who respect their customers (spelled with a capital C) and see their mission as helping Customers accomplish their goals in an honest and straightforward manner. Republic Wireless and Horizon Hobby are conspicuous examples. They believe legitimate profits come from serving customers.

Those who see their customers as dupes who must be tricked into spending as much money as possible, involuntarily and without consent when possible, to prey upon people who are fooled into thinking their product is "cool," "trendy," and "necessary." Cable, cellular telephone companies and giant monster mega-banks are foremost on this list and I'm afraid Microsoft is jumping into the category with gusto.

The doctor prescribes at least six months evaluation before adopting Windows 10 and then only if Microsoft realizes that legitimate profits come from providing desired services from people who deserve your trust and respect and whose trust and respect it is your mission to acquire through willing service. Otherwise it's time to cross them off the list of possible companies to do business with.

[Rockin Robbins]

Yep, I think it was about that time the PSU was having a temperamental fit. Random power downs and boot up cycles at the most inconvenient of times whilst trying to do my work :)

In total it gone through a crashed HDD and a failing PSU before a few months ago it simply refused to boot up. I would recon a good 7-8 years of service.
PSU about $30. Hard drive probably scrambled by PSU failure while writing to hard drive. Probability hard drive is really bad is less than 20%. If it is you can replace it for about $50. Then you would be good as new.

What's that new computer cost? Unless you unhappy with how it ran when it was working I don't think it's appropriate to buy a new computer with a completely untried operating system. You'd be a beta tester with no compensation.
http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q...BDqAy67krLYggQ (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q_o&m=3mVC1cMzE2xsuk2&b=qCVCJdL.BDqAy67krLYggQ)

http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q...YyqYc.B8prNRMw (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=N3Q_o&m=3mVC1cMzE2xsuk2&b=cbo.P9QqYyqYc.B8prNRMw)

http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/31/technology/windows10-mozilla-letter/index.html

And there's the privacy aspect of Windows 10. As you can see above, what we know so far is not encouraging. While Microsoft is "protecting us" with UEFI (keeping alternative operating systems from easily dual booting or replacing Windows), they are not protecting our privacy and in fact are looking at our private information as the piggy bank that finances their operation. This is not cool. Profits should not come from treating your customers as prey. I'm not willing to tolerate that.

Finally, a review of Windows 10 not written by a bought and paid for reviewer. You know who they are....
www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/rising_and_ongoing_cost_of_windows (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/rising_and_ongoing_cost_of_windows)

Conclusion: for those not having previous experience and for those whose only experience is the Windows 8 family, this looks like a good upgrade if...... For those migrating from Windows 7, run away--it's NOT an upgrade for you. For all, whether they are recommended to install or not to install, watch carefully for news as news continues to emerge as to how Microsoft is treating you as a victim instead of a customer who commands respect. They do not have your back except for the opportunity to stick a knife in it. If you're very good at OS-fu you might be able to live with that. But the jury is very out and the pioneers get all the arrows.

Operating system as Facebook on steroids. Whodathunkit? It's here.

[STEED]

I'm not rushing in to the lion's den until I know that lion is a pussy cat and will not bite my backside off. I will make my mind up May 2016 but I am leaning towards not bothering as it stands at the moment.

Sod keeping up with the joneses. :O:

[XabbaRus]

Sorry I have to disagree.

I upgraded, use a local account instead of my Microsoft one. Edge is new and nothing to do with Metro. Metro isn't and OS but a design language and the name for the user interface that went into Windows Phones, and features of which are used in Windows 8/10 and on Windowsphones.

Also it did not replace my default browser which is Firefox. Firefox was still there and working as my default.

It is quite easy to turn off all the reporting back to Microsoft. So I don't get use of Cortana. Big deal, I have it on my phone and isn't anything to write home about.

As for boot from CD\DVD, you always had to go into the BIOS from the beginning to select that. Not too difficult.

There was a really good link in a different Windows 10 post giving some really good tips if you are worried about information being sent back and how to turn it off.

The simple fact is Apple does the same with iOS and Google with android. Always check your settings prior to anything you do.

[Jimbuna]

Free W10 upgrade came through this morning but I've rescheduled the install for this coming Sunday to give me time to do a bit of researching on the OS.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I am going to install it on my work laptop first, see how that goes :yep:

Installing it tonight at home.

[Onkel Neal]

The age of the computer is not what keeping the update from loading. The OS is what is used to determine. Vista, 7, 8. A few post back I posted a link directly to the download for 32/64 bit. Give it a try.

Tried this http://microsoft-news.com/windows-10-free-upgrade-still-not-showing-up-this-trick-will-help/

Nothing happened. :wah:

How do I open the command prompt as "Administrator" ?

[ReallyDedPoet]

Tried this http://microsoft-news.com/windows-10-free-upgrade-still-not-showing-up-this-trick-will-help/

Nothing happened. :wah:

How do I open the command prompt as "Administrator" ?

Saw this:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc947813(v=ws.10).aspx

[ReallyDedPoet]

Have been playing around with 10 for a bit this evening on the work computer. Seems ok so far.

[Jeff-Groves]

Have had 10 for days now.
No big deal.
A little faster if you shut off and remove junk.
Same old scare from past versions by past sceptics.
:nope:

If you ain't smarter then your machine? Blame the other Guy.
:haha:

[BossMark]

Had 10 a few days now and I am finding it OK at the moment.....

[Buddahaid]

Installed it last night with no problems. So far I've had to tweak a few of the sub game compatibility modes but everything still works OK.

[Wolferz]

I have Win X now and I'm not impressed. It seems like it has slowed my rig down. Especially the new browser. Where I got almost INSTANTANEOUS RESPONSE WITH wIN 8.1 and IE xx, now I find myself waiting seconds to change screens on this board.:-? I'll still give it a chance though.

More later when I have the time.

[Sailor Steve]

I too had some problems with Microsoft Edge. They openly admit they are still working out the kinks in the new Browser. They also made it easy to back to IE, which is what I've done for the time being.

I'm also still using Classic Shell rather than the new Start Menu.

[avers]

hey guys, I'm actually having trouble with sh3, whenever game gets done installing, I get an error message that gives me an error code, the code is 1628. The last time I installed I was able to get onto the game, but whenever I hit "exit game", it crashes out, and sh3 commander wont work, does anyone have a fix for this?

[Onkel Neal]

Saw this:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc947813(v=ws.10).aspx

Thanks, that seemed to work as far as getting the command line to open as Admin.

[THE_MASK]

Installed windows 10 as a free upgrade to windows 7 . Works flawlessly as far as I can see .

[ReallyDedPoet]

Thanks, that seemed to work as far as getting the command line to open as Admin.

It was an older link, I figured it was worth a shot :yep:

[Wolferz]

When you launch a new operating system without enough Caveat Porceas to thoroughly vet all the bugs.
That or maybe I need to look at the big picture...
Give it away at the release and you get loads of willing Guinea Pigs. :haha:

I'm still coming to grips with it but, this new browser dragging its backside like a dog with no hind legs is, frankly, pissing me off!

[Buddahaid]

Edge is not slow on my system. It works as fast as Chrome does.

[Aktungbby]

:hmmm: :timeout: :shifty: not hearing overwhelming happiness here...reckon I'll hold off a tad on the "it aint' broke why fix it" principle till the longer heads of :subsim: have sorted out any bugs.

[Onkel Neal]

Still no luck. I'm googling all kinds of processes to make this work, but it's not really worth it to me. The only reason I am interested in Win 10 is because the version of Win 7 that came with this Dell laptop is so old and slow, after years of use.

[XabbaRus]

:hmmm: :timeout: :shifty: not hearing overwhelming happiness here...reckon I'll hold off a tad on the "it aint' broke why fix it" principle till the longer heads of :subsim: have sorted out any bugs.

I think it is rather more a case that those who are having issues short louder and more frequently than those who don't. I don't use edge as I just don't like it. Win 10 is as fast if not faster than 8.1, I use Firefox and it is just as quick. I'm curious to the spec of machines of those finding it slow. Apart from having one game not work, until I found I could redeem my retail version for a steam version and it works out has been fine. Definitely prefer the interface over the metro style that works great for tablets and phones not for pc.

[Wolferz]

Using Edge, for me, has been an exercise in frustration.

Web sites taking longer to translate and scrolling a page is worse than a slide show, sometimes taking thirty seconds or longer to react to one click of the scroll wheel or the directional keys on the keyboard. :down:

It did improve a little after I did some drilling and found about a dozen processes running in the background, which I shut down. but it still drags.

New and improved? Well, new maybe. I'm seriously thinking of wiping the drive and putting 8.1 and IE back.:hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Using Edge, for me, has been an exercise in frustration.

Web sites taking longer to translate and scrolling a page is worse than a slide show, sometimes taking thirty seconds or longer to react to one click of the scroll wheel or the directional keys on the keyboard. :down:

It did improve a little after I did some drilling and found about a dozen processes running in the background, which I shut down. but it still drags.

New and improved? Well, new maybe. I'm seriously thinking of wiping the drive and putting 8.1 and IE back.:hmmm:


Agreed. Edge needs some work. I experience the same. I will stick with it. I have wanted to stick with one OS and associated programs. I tire of having to know all the tips and tricks for Chrome, Firefox and other browsers.

[AVGWarhawk]

Using Edge, for me, has been an exercise in frustration.

Web sites taking longer to translate and scrolling a page is worse than a slide show, sometimes taking thirty seconds or longer to react to one click of the scroll wheel or the directional keys on the keyboard. :down:

It did improve a little after I did some drilling and found about a dozen processes running in the background, which I shut down. but it still drags.

New and improved? Well, new maybe. I'm seriously thinking of wiping the drive and putting 8.1 and IE back.:hmmm:

Try this:

Background scrolling
Ever notice how when you hover your mouse cursor over a window and try and scroll, you still can’t, because the window wasn’t active? Turn this feature on in Settings | Devices | Mouse and Touchpad and you’ll be able to do just that.

[STEED]

It's a shame Microsoft can't give it to you selecting what you want, I don't want edge and cortana. Been reading people's comments here and there and it looks like the not happy crowd are ahead but this may change in six months time, till then it's a no no for me.

[Sailor Steve]

It's a shame Microsoft can't give it to you selecting what you want, I don't want edge and cortana. Been reading people's comments here and there and it looks like the not happy crowd are ahead but this may change in six months time, till then it's a no no for me.
They do offer you the selection. I've already switched back to IE and turned Cortana off. They make both processes very easy. They're there if you want them and gone if you don't. :sunny:

[Kip336]

I came across this...Infographic (For lack of a better word) regarding some privacy issues in Windows 10

Might be of interest;

Windows 10 Botnet (http://i.imgur.com/9DoVoix.jpg)

(I'll not post it as an image, it's huge.)

[STEED]

They do offer you the selection. I've already switched back to IE and turned Cortana off. They make both processes very easy. They're there if you want them and gone if you don't. :sunny:

Thanks Steve. :up:

If I go for it I will not have to worry about them anymore.

[STEED]

BTW: I still use Microsoft Office 2003 because I like it and not keen on the latter versions. Anyway I hear there has been some issues with M.O. 2007 just wondering will my old 2003 be alright?

[andy_311]

As I found out yesterday there are serious issues with Windows Defender and windows Firewall If you have a 3rd party anti-virus program and firewall they should be disabled however it seems there program re-sets itself from time to time and annoying popups appear on your screen.I don't know if this happens on anyone elses but it happening on my pc and my wife's laptop. Microsoft tried yesterday to fix the issue but failed they ran diagnostic tests virus tests to no avail now I got to wait until Friday when an appointment was made for a level 2 technician to call me and try and resolve the issue.

[STEED]

As I found out yesterday there are serious issues with Windows Defender and windows Firewall If you have a 3rd party anti-virus program and firewall they should be disabled however it seems there program re-sets itself from time to time and annoying popups appear on your screen.

I run Windows Firewall and Avast anti virus free edition on my Win8.1 and no problems to date. :hmmm: Window Defender dose not seem as good on the anti virus front but Windows firewall is. Ran avast for years now and happy with it, had to dump Comodo firewall a few months ago for some strange reason I got a update and it slowed my PC down slower than a snail.

But I take it your talking about Win10.

[Rockin Robbins]

One thing is sure: what we know about Windows 10 is dwarfed by what we don't know. I just read a summary of all the anti-privacy features which continue to operate after all the privacy features are turned off that are able to in the Windows options. You know, the ones you bypassed when you selected an automatic install. Every single privacy invading option is ENABLED BY DEFAULT. Microsoft is not your friend.

One VERY DISTURBING issue is that Microsoft has redefined a central article of trust in any software you install on your system: that menus are intended to make it easy to do things you want and not use things you don't want to use.

The method of turning off the cell phone app Windows Edge (my computer will NEVER be a cell phone no matter what Microsoft decides) is downright perverse. At one point in the nerfing of this terrible browser (just IE in cell phone clothing, not a new browser at all) you want to set Firefox as your default browser, for instance.

First of all when installing Firefox or Chrome they pop up a dialog box and say "Hey, want to make this your default browser?" Select yes and you're off to the races!!!!.......not. Microsoft has made that impossible. You're going to use their browser......dammmit! Or else. Next option.

Delving deep into the totally irritating charms hell we finally get into changing the default browser. Remember I told you about the repurposing of menu trees? Now, menu trees are for the purpose of tricking or intimidating you into doing things THEIR way, not yours. During the selection labyrnith you are confronted with a menu where the only choice you have is Windows Edge or bail out you fool. In order to get the selection process for desired default browser you MUST SELECT EDGE, the browser YOU DON'T WANT! The menu is for the purpose of intimidating you into giving up your quest to control your own computer.

Similar things happen when you want to boot a CD/DVD, with incomprehensible acronyms, red herring options, absolutely opaque procedures calculated to intimidate you from even trying to boot that CD/DVD. The exact thing happened when my brother bought a Windows 8 computer and transplanted the hard drive from his old laptop: just a comedy of Microsoft intimidation. Try getting into the BIOS. Sure it's possible, but by going through the Charms obstacle course of hell and deception.

If you have a great product, intimidation and flim flammery aren't necessary. People seek out and preferentially use your product without coercion. Customers voluntarily pay you money with a smile and then brag to all their friends about how great you and your product are. Since Microsoft thinks trickery and coercion are necessary this is evidence that bad things are happening which could harm us and which Microsoft does not want us to know about.

I recommend waiting at least six months for investigators to out the REST of the "features" that we don't know about and need to get rid of to avoid the operating system that is Facebook without the human face. I won't even talk about the "start menu" which is no start menu but merely a platform for crass monetization.

Even then, if it is possible to completely defang Windows and replace the bogus start menu with a real one, consider what you do when you use a product. Every download tells Microsoft "I want MORE of this!" What you buy or adopt you get more of. If you endorse their malware/monetization "operating system as Facebook" they will double down. You think they removed the ability not to download certain updates as a way to protect you? NO! It's because they redefined what an update is and now an update is to introduce further monetization features, to find those you've successfully circumvented and reactivate them, to disconnect your browser and reinstitute Edge, to remove your ownership from your hardware. It all started with the "install Windows 10" icon on your taskber, a piece of malware which reinstalls itself if you remove it. The methods of eradication are beyond the means of better than 90% of users. This is reprehensible and was a telegraphing of the true nature of Windows 10 itself. Update as malware. I glare in Microsoft's general direction. Shame on them but they are far too stupid to be ashamed.

I spend a lot of time eliminating malware. Now the operating system IS the malware. Time to sit on the sidelines for awhile and see if Microsoft grows a brain. Legitimate profits come from respecting and meeting the wants and needs of Customers. Microsoft has forgotten how to do that. They've decided it's better to have victims than Customers.

@steed Comodo Firewall bit the big one for performance because it's now infested with malware, a program supposed to eliminate malware which is malware itself mining you for sellable information. That slowed the program down and privacy groups have written Comodo off their list of legitimate vendors.

[Haukka81]

I have opera in my win10 and it works nice, i dont use edge.

If you dont like win10 , thats fine but please dont over react :)

[CaptainHaplo]

Not sure what your doing, but setting default programs - including internet browsers (Edge vs Firefox for example) is popcorn easy.

I do have a few minor issues with W10 regarding privacy - actually just one since it requires a reg hack to fully disable - but it is easy to turn stuff off. You just have to be willing to do it.

If your going to complain about M$ - you need to complain about a lot of other companies who install things by default and have default options that you have to "opt out" of. I am no M$ fanboy. You simply need to be consistent rather than targeted in your criticism.

[terryr64]

Hello all,
First I would like to say that I'm new and proud to be part of the Subsim community being an ex bubblehead myself. I have downloaded the windows 10 upgrade and everything went smoothly. The older games I have are falcon bms(sorry sometimes I like being an airdale lol) and it works fine. After the upgrade I had the screen trouble issue with dangerous waters. I installed the updated wrapper and it didn't fix it. under windows 8.1 I installed the game to a generic directory and installed the original wrapper and it worked fine. I uninstalled the sim and reinstalled it to a generic folder i.e. games and both .dll wrappers and windows still reports the game has stopped working. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Sailor Steve]

I don't see what all the fuss is about either. MS Edge was a little draggy, so I clicked the button to go back to IE. No problem, and it works just fine.

So far I've had a couple of minor complaints about changes in the way some things work. And I do mean minor. I have had none of the major problems described above. Not one.

[Aktungbby]

terryr64!:Kaleun_Salute:

[XabbaRus]

One thing is sure: what we know about Windows 10 is dwarfed by what we don't know. I just read a summary of all the anti-privacy features which continue to operate after all the privacy features are turned off that are able to in the Windows options. You know, the ones you bypassed when you selected an automatic install. Every single privacy invading option is ENABLED BY DEFAULT. Microsoft is not your friend.

One VERY DISTURBING issue is that Microsoft has redefined a central article of trust in any software you install on your system: that menus are intended to make it easy to do things you want and not use things you don't want to use.

The method of turning off the cell phone app Windows Edge (my computer will NEVER be a cell phone no matter what Microsoft decides) is downright perverse. At one point in the nerfing of this terrible browser (just IE in cell phone clothing, not a new browser at all) you want to set Firefox as your default browser, for instance.

First of all when installing Firefox or Chrome they pop up a dialog box and say "Hey, want to make this your default browser?" Select yes and you're off to the races!!!!.......not. Microsoft has made that impossible. You're going to use their browser......dammmit! Or else. Next option.

Delving deep into the totally irritating charms hell we finally get into changing the default browser. Remember I told you about the repurposing of menu trees? Now, menu trees are for the purpose of tricking or intimidating you into doing things THEIR way, not yours. During the selection labyrnith you are confronted with a menu where the only choice you have is Windows Edge or bail out you fool. In order to get the selection process for desired default browser you MUST SELECT EDGE, the browser YOU DON'T WANT! The menu is for the purpose of intimidating you into giving up your quest to control your own computer.

Similar things happen when you want to boot a CD/DVD, with incomprehensible acronyms, red herring options, absolutely opaque procedures calculated to intimidate you from even trying to boot that CD/DVD. The exact thing happened when my brother bought a Windows 8 computer and transplanted the hard drive from his old laptop: just a comedy of Microsoft intimidation. Try getting into the BIOS. Sure it's possible, but by going through the Charms obstacle course of hell and deception.

If you have a great product, intimidation and flim flammery aren't necessary. People seek out and preferentially use your product without coercion. Customers voluntarily pay you money with a smile and then brag to all their friends about how great you and your product are. Since Microsoft thinks trickery and coercion are necessary this is evidence that bad things are happening which could harm us and which Microsoft does not want us to know about.

I recommend waiting at least six months for investigators to out the REST of the "features" that we don't know about and need to get rid of to avoid the operating system that is Facebook without the human face. I won't even talk about the "start menu" which is no start menu but merely a platform for crass monetization.

Even then, if it is possible to completely defang Windows and replace the bogus start menu with a real one, consider what you do when you use a product. Every download tells Microsoft "I want MORE of this!" What you buy or adopt you get more of. If you endorse their malware/monetization "operating system as Facebook" they will double down. You think they removed the ability not to download certain updates as a way to protect you? NO! It's because they redefined what an update is and now an update is to introduce further monetization features, to find those you've successfully circumvented and reactivate them, to disconnect your browser and reinstitute Edge, to remove your ownership from your hardware. It all started with the "install Windows 10" icon on your taskber, a piece of malware which reinstalls itself if you remove it. The methods of eradication are beyond the means of better than 90% of users. This is reprehensible and was a telegraphing of the true nature of Windows 10 itself. Update as malware. I glare in Microsoft's general direction. Shame on them but they are far too stupid to be ashamed.

I spend a lot of time eliminating malware. Now the operating system IS the malware. Time to sit on the sidelines for awhile and see if Microsoft grows a brain. Legitimate profits come from respecting and meeting the wants and needs of Customers. Microsoft has forgotten how to do that. They've decided it's better to have victims than Customers.

@steed Comodo Firewall bit the big one for performance because it's now infested with malware, a program supposed to eliminate malware which is malware itself mining you for sellable information. That slowed the program down and privacy groups have written Comodo off their list of legitimate vendors.

OK I replied in another thread to this but to repeat myself, Firefox is not stopped from being selected as the default browser. I installed it, selected it as my default and away I go. Not once has Windows 10 tried to stop it. As for Edge, easy to disable along with all the other stuff. I get you don't like it, fair enough. Then use Linux or get a Mac. Edge is a new browser, and in my opinion it sucks.

[Jimbuna]

Hello all,
First I would like to say that I'm new and proud to be part of the Subsim community being an ex bubblehead myself. I have downloaded the windows 10 upgrade and everything went smoothly. The older games I have are falcon bms(sorry sometimes I like being an airdale lol) and it works fine. After the upgrade I had the screen trouble issue with dangerous waters. I installed the updated wrapper and it didn't fix it. under windows 8.1 I installed the game to a generic directory and installed the original wrapper and it worked fine. I uninstalled the sim and reinstalled it to a generic folder i.e. games and both .dll wrappers and windows still reports the game has stopped working. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Afraid I can't help not having W10 installed yet nor DW but welcome to SubSim :sunny:

[Rockin Robbins]

Just remember that Edge and Windows itself are Facebook. They exist for the purpose of using you as a mine for sellable information and gathering that takes lots of background processes and steals time from your use of your machine. The latest information says that doesn't stop even if you deselect all the privacy invading options Microsoft makes available.

Windows no longer exists to serve your needs. It exists to serve Microsoft's, which profits greatly from your voluntary victimhood and hence the "free" price. It isn't free.

Except on an expendable machine, I'd wait at least six months for all the bad stuff to come out and the gurus to defang this beast. Then I'd STILL cast a jaundiced eye toward a product which doesn't think it's possible to earn an honest profit.

Neal, if you back up your data, do a restore if you have a restore partition on your hard drive, or a clean install if you have an installation disk (the best way), you can reinstall software and backup your data. Your machine will run like a scalded dog with no adware/spyware.

That's the only positive part of Windows 10: since the operating system and software provided IS adware/spyware you don't have to worry about downloading any!:har: I just KNEW I could say something nice about Windows 10.

[Rockin Robbins]

OK I replied in another thread to this but to repeat myself, Firefox is not stopped from being selected as the default browser. I installed it, selected it as my default and away I go. Not once has Windows 10 tried to stop it. As for Edge, easy to disable along with all the other stuff. I get you don't like it, fair enough. Then use Linux or get a Mac. Edge is a new browser, and in my opinion it sucks.
Edge is not a new browser, it is a new shell for Exploder. It merely nerfs Exploder into a cell phone app, nerfs all its options and doesn't work right. You're still using Exploder in wolf's clothing.

How to use Firefox as your default browser (http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/31/technology/windows10-mozilla-letter/index.html). Read it and weep. "Easy" has a brand new definition and it isn't pretty.

What's left after you disable (http://betanews.com/2015/08/13/windows-10-phones-home-to-microsoft-even-if-you-change-privacy-settings) "all the other stuff." We have a new definition of "all" which means "what we want to tell you chumps." Keep in mind that it's very early in the game and all we can say with confidence is that Microsoft is NOT acting in good faith. The next six months to a year will reveal five invasions of our privacy for every one we know now. And everything newly discovered will be something that doesn't even have an opt out option, much less the opt in recommendation of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Finally, there are at least four ways to upgrade (https://askleo.com/four-ways-to-go-back-to-windows-7-from-windows-10/) from Windows 10 to the last Microsoft operating system that actually served its users: Windows 7. Bail out now and you can always go back if you find out I'm wrong. But I'm not wrong. I'm telling a tiny slice of the bad news we don't even know yet.

If all else fails, the street price for Windows 7 licenses (genuine, I'm not going to advocate theft. When you buy something legitimately you send a message that that's what you will buy and nothing slimier. Money is communication.) is about $70. Windows 7 images are still available on the Internet from legitimate sources and upgrading to it is a bargain.

Windows 10 = Antivirus Pro = Ask Toolbar = Cryptolocker = adware/spyware/malware. It's the penultimate example of using social engineering to induce us to harm ourselves. Yes Linux and Mac are superior by far to Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 but it is not yet necessary to jump ship. It's time to put your money to work to vote for Windows 7 if necessary as an alternative to voluntary victimhood.

[XabbaRus]

Nope, didn't have to do that. I upgraded to Win 10, fired up Firefox and it was still my default browser, didn't have to go through the rigmarole on the site you linked to. I even uninstalled Firefox and reinstalled, dead simple.

You have done nothing but railed against Windows 10 the minute it came out. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about it? Google are as pervasive if not more so, so why just pick on MS. Or is it an easy target?

Anyway I've said enough.

[vienna]

Just helped someone upgrade an HP Stream 7 tablet from Win 8.1 to Win 10. Had no problems and the process was fairly quick (faster than some previous upgrades/installs I've experienced) and the transition was also fairly simple. The only real sticky issue came when the response time for web connections were really slow. The tablet in question has a built-in Wi-Fi adapter that, while not bad, is not the best. The user was using a USB Wi-Fi adapter and Win 10 made both adapters enabled. Under Win 8.1, the user had disabled the onboard adapter, but Win 10 re-enabled the adapter. I just disabled it again and everything was fine and back to normal...

Regarding the mining of user data, almost any operating system or software, not to mention websites, engage in some level of such data gathering. If you think by avoiding one or another application you're going to prevent someone from getting info on you, you are indeed naïve...


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[AVGWarhawk]

Regarding the mining of user data, almost any operating system or software, not to mention websites, engage in some level of such data gathering. If you think by avoiding one or another application you're going to prevent someone from getting info on you, you are indeed naïve...


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Concerning mining of the user data, if you are simply using the machine to surf the web and games of what difference does it matter there is mining of my data? Let's face it and as you said, the data mining has gone on for decades. What is out there about any user is already found on the net. Hell, I have no idea how my entire living address history from 1988 to present ended up on the net. Do I care? Not really, one can check the phone book for addresses. Or the fact that I look up a new car and investigate the automobile only find any pages I bring up after the investigation now has advertisements for the said car I was just looking into. I reviewed drills last week. Now every page has drills for sale.

Just what data that is being mined is so critical to the user that they will not use certain apps or stop using a OS? If that data is that critical then one should not be on the net, correct?

[vienna]

Here are a couple of videos that give an idea of how extensive data mining really is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cty7ctycsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_YF34pcCSU



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[Catfish]

AVG Warhawk,
sometimes i think some People are blind. Can't you see what this implies ? Just of all the US americans who boast with 'freedom', accept just of all THAT ?
You have looked for a small or used car? Or heaven forbid, for a credit ?

Good luck getting money lent, they know all of you and your financial capablities,
Data being compared and handed over between Google, eBay, Amazon, credit institutes
All being logged from your payback Habits to your personal(!) interests and general user habits (metadata), like "when does he surf the web? In the forenoon? Doen't he have a Job?! Sorry, no credit for you. And sorry, no Job for you, wen can see from your hobby and personal opinions we read you do not fit in here.

And this does not even include your political or sexual preferences, all being logged, compared and aligned.

You have no idea what they can do with all that, they can virtually destroy you, and if they decide this for whatever reason (and maybe wrong conclusions) you can do nothing against it. Next drone for you, and bye bye. No court, no defence. :shifty:

[Onkel Neal]

Hmmm.... much to think about.
https://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/obama-nazi-drones.png

[Rockin Robbins]

I separate Google and their data mining from Microsoft's in that Google is upfront about how they collect information and why. They do give you options that are calculated to allow you to do what you want and shut off their data mining, even to the point of assuming a new identity. Google has not strong-armed hardware companies into making their hardware restrict access to other operating systems or not to dual boot with competing operating systems. A Google menu is straightforward, while Microsoft menus are for the purpose of making it difficult to do what you want to do to the point of intimidation. (Whoever heard of having to select the browser you don't want, Edge, in order to bring up the choice screen to pick Firefox. That's just perverse)

Google provides services that people want and need while Microsoft insists in telling you what you will want and need, against your will if possible. Microsoft is malware, in that it uses social engineering to induce you to be the virus that harms your machine and yourself. They can't even honestly do a simple thing like bringing the start menu back. First they pretended that all we wanted was the start BUTTON. Then they pretended that the ugly refugee from the Lego factory whose initial 18 tiles have 11 trying to induce you to buy something is a start menu. Do they think we're that stupid? According to many posts in this thread, they do and they're right. <irony> Apparently since data mining is happening we should locate the biggest, most egregious, dishonest data miner on the planet and just jump in bed with it. Probably should download some keyloggers, fake antiviruses and fake firewalls (like Comodo) while we're at it, huh? Heck, they're easy to install so they must be all right! What's the worst that could happen?</irony>

Even Facebook operates in good faith far better than Microsoft, who thinks people must be tricked into doing what they want. I think that's reprehensible in a once great company.

And Neal, I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office. We're right back to when LBJ personally picked bombing targets in Vietnam. The other two branches better rein in the office of President or we're in for some big trouble.

[Catfish]

^ you do not really think, that any republican president would have had not ordered drone strikes and wiretapping ? :-?

[HunterICX]

Hmmm.... much to think about.


Not me :O:
Simple, the only thing I'm interested what Win10 has to offer is DX12, but since no game has been announced that I'm interested in is going to use it I have no reason to upgrade. So besides DX12 Win10 is just another windows that offers no other benefits for me.
It's free, sure but I don't plan to be M$ beta tester. I don't have the time to spare to troubleshoot games I own that do not work on Win10.

[Rockin Robbins]

^ you do not really think, that any republican president would have had not ordered drone strikes and wiretapping ? :-?
What part of "I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office" do you not understand? Obama merely took a policy that he disagreed with to be elected and doubled down on it. Nothing unusual. Candidates, looking from outside, criticize the imperial President. Once they are in office they are utterly corrupted by the imperial Presidency. Absolute power corrupts what?

[Catfish]

Sorry for being a bit OT, but it is not really OT if you think about it.

What i meant is that Obama is not extreme as Mr. Bush was or Trump would be, but if Obama already does what he did, what do you think would a right-wing Hardliner do, or have done?

Power corrupts? Of course it does. In this and a lot other cases though i think, that it is not a party or the president who decides, but what you call the deep state, or likely secret services who tell the new-elected president what he has to do, to keep his seat.
Because they give a sh! to what politics or their representative wants.

Which again is, why i think, we do not have a democracy anywhere, as long as we allow those puppeteers to rule all else. Yes, it is all for a higher goal, the end justifies the means etc. blahblah, now where did i hear this before.


It is not that far with Win 10, but the path is clear. They try to and will get a perfect profile of you, complete with your habits, and they certainly will use it. If you think they do that for your good, dream on. And it is not only your shopping behaviour, or a credit:
AT&T is the NSA's Darling : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/NSA-Skandal-Netzbetreiber-AT-T-ist-Liebling-des-US-Geheimdienstes-2779979.html
I cannot understand how all this can be tolerated, while saying "freedom is the highest good". They also target US citizens, not only the rest of the world. We are all fair game, to them. :shifty:

[Jimbuna]

I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12 :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Hi,
just let Win 10 loose on a spare PC, just to see, but it would not work. System is not fit for Win 10, since "the network adapter is not supported", Windows 10 installer says.
I am using a WLAN USB stick, since i do not like the cables on the floor.

Ok, this PC is one year old, but .. huh? Just of all the Network adapter??? Well i could kind of configure this adapter, maybe Windows 10 does not like that? :03:

[AVGWarhawk]

AVG Warhawk,
sometimes i think some People are blind. Can't you see what this implies ? Just of all the US americans who boast with 'freedom', accept just of all THAT ?
You have looked for a small or used car? Or heaven forbid, for a credit ?

Good luck getting money lent, they know all of you and your financial capablities,
Data being compared and handed over between Google, eBay, Amazon, credit institutes
All being logged from your payback Habits to your personal(!) interests and general user habits (metadata), like "when does he surf the web? In the forenoon? Doen't he have a Job?! Sorry, no credit for you. And sorry, no Job for you, wen can see from your hobby and personal opinions we read you do not fit in here.

And this does not even include your political or sexual preferences, all being logged, compared and aligned.

You have no idea what they can do with all that, they can virtually destroy you, and if they decide this for whatever reason (and maybe wrong conclusions) you can do nothing against it. Next drone for you, and bye bye. No court, no defence. :shifty:

You lost me. Getting money lent? No worries. I just built a new home from money lent. I purchased a new car that came with a interest free loan from KIA. Daily I received credit card come-ons in my mailbox. My financial capabilities are quite good. Just as well, I wanted a new home and car. The could check via the usual credit agencies. I'm better than a "good risk". What you are saying has been done for decades. The only difference is this information can be gotten in seconds where 25 years ago it took paper and credit references from banks and other lenders. This took time and fax machines!

Political preference. Well...when you register in our state/county they ask. It is already on record. What is the issue?

Sexual preference. Again, what it the difference? The government is already in your bedroom dictating who you can lay. BFD.

Get a grip fella.

[AVGWarhawk]

I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12 :hmmm:

Those will have advanced data mining apps as well as holding your wallet for you.

:haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

What part of "I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office" do you not understand? Obama merely took a policy that he disagreed with to be elected and doubled down on it. Nothing unusual. Candidates, looking from outside, criticize the imperial President. Once they are in office they are utterly corrupted by the imperial Presidency. Absolute power corrupts what?

Executive orders provide the avenue to imperial presidency. Many before Obama used this as a means to an end. These not always ended well.

[Jimbuna]

Those will have advanced data mining apps as well as holding your wallet for you.

:haha:

That means only one thing....the W stands for WIFE :)

[AVGWarhawk]

That means only one thing....the W stands for WIFE :)

:har:

Hope the missus is not looking over your shoulder! :o

[Jimbuna]

:har:

Hope the missus is not looking over your shoulder! :o

She's at work...best place for her :03:

[Moonlight]

I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12 :hmmm:

You'll be waiting a long time then, :haha: http://www.eweek.com/pc-hardware/microsoft-says-windows-10-will-be-the-last-os-upgrade-youll-ever-need.html

[AVGWarhawk]

She's at work...best place for her :03:

Oh good. Then you can put your hand on her wallet! :up:

[DragonRider]

I see another black eye on its way:D

[vienna]

I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12 :hmmm:

According to MS, Windows 10 is the last full iteration of Windows. For the foreseeable future, MS will only release updates to Win 10 in lieu of releasing new versions. I am somewhat skeptical this will last long, particularly given the pressures of marketing strategies: "What, you've still got Win 10 on you device? I've got OS XIV on mine"...

Hi,
just let Win 10 loose on a spare PC, just to see, but it would not work. System is not fit for Win 10, since "the network adapter is not supported", Windows 10 installer says.
I am using a WLAN USB stick, since i do not like the cables on the floor.

Ok, this PC is one year old, but .. huh? Just of all the Network adapter??? Well i could kind of configure this adapter, maybe Windows 10 does not like that? :03:

You've probably already tried this, but check your WLAN USB stick's support website and see if they have released any new driver or software specifically for Win 10. The HP Stream 7 on which I installed Win 10 has a problem with a docking station that provides USB audio; the docking stations website has noted the problem and has posted a workaround until they can fully update their drivers; perhaps your LAN stick might have a workaround. Also, if you are not automatically allowing updates from MS, be aware a cumulative update was recently released that appears to address many of the current problems regarding third-party software/hardware problems. The same Stream 7 had a problem with an inability to install some HP updates; after the cumulative update, the problem is gone...


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[Onkel Neal]

^ you do not really think, that any republican president would have had not ordered drone strikes and wiretapping ? :-?


Of course I do. It all started with Bush II.

Anyway, good job politicizing a Windows OS thread
:Kaleun_Goofy:

[HunterICX]

Of course I do. It all started with Bush II.

Anyway, good job politicizing a Windows OS thread
:Kaleun_Goofy:
Be glad that he hasn't upgraded to Godwin.

[Catfish]

Anyway, good job politicizing a Windows OS thread

Hmm Neal, wasn't that you with Obama and the Nazis (post 111) :haha:
(yes i know you blinked)

Ok last time, then i promise not to bring it up again here :oops:
This describes it much better, AND in english. They talk about how you do not own things anymore, and commercial ideas are not so far away from what the NSA does:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/watch-the-deep-state-hidi_b_4848282.html

Describes perfectly, what Google, Apple and Microsoft used to do. The new Win 10 is imho (!) perfectly designed for this.
But they see they are losing big money overseas, since People outside the US do not like this - will this change it ? Maybe .. if money's involved :03:

[Jimbuna]

You'll be waiting a long time then, :haha: http://www.eweek.com/pc-hardware/microsoft-says-windows-10-will-be-the-last-os-upgrade-youll-ever-need.html

According to MS, Windows 10 is the last full iteration of Windows.


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Yes guys, I was well aware :)

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes guys, I was well aware :)

Always the alternative Jim.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/03/14/business/britannica-decoder/britannica-decoder-blog480.jpg

http://cf.ydcdn.net/1.0.1.38/images/main/abacus.jpg

The Britannica series is updated once a year. A salesperson will arrive at your door for a demonstration. There will be from time to time a update mailed throughout the year. Simply download from your mailbox and file it in the appropriate book. Reboot is not required. Try before you buy. The abacus will always remain the same.

[vienna]

Always the alternative Jim.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/03/14/business/britannica-decoder/britannica-decoder-blog480.jpg

http://cf.ydcdn.net/1.0.1.38/images/main/abacus.jpg

The Britannica series is updated once a year. A salesperson will arrive at your door for a demonstration. There will be from time to time a update mailed throughout the year. Simply download from your mailbox and file it in the appropriate book. Reboot is not required. Try before you buy. The abacus will always remain the same.

Are these final releases or are they beta and/or developer's releases? One ought to know before committing to a new system...


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[Rockin Robbins]

I will believe it is beyond the pale when my navigation app detours me an additional five miles to make me drive by an ice cream shop I've liked on Facebook or browsed their home page the other day. And I'm afraid that time may be here very soon if it is not already here.

[Jeff-Groves]

I will believe it is beyond the pale when my navigation app detours me an additional five miles to make me drive by an ice cream shop I've liked on Facebook or browsed their home page the other day. And I'm afraid that time may be here very soon if it is not already here.
Really? You STILL do FaceBook?
:har:
Talk about an intrusive piece of crap!

[STEED]

Last night I was wondering why is Microsoft giving away Widows 10 free, its been my experience in life you don't get anything for free its a illusion. Like shop bargains like BOGOF's it is the business of a shop to make money which in turn is profit and the same goes for Microsoft. So I'm left wondering is there some sort of sinister agenda of some sort? :hmmm:

Problem is if it is how do we know and how do we find out and how do we separate facts from fiction? :hmmm:

Ponder over that when your next drinking tea or coffee on a winters night. :)

[Sailor Steve]

Last night I was wondering why is Microsoft giving away Widows 10 free, its been my experience in life you don't get anything for free its a illusion. Like shop bargains like BOGOF's it is the business of a shop to make money which in turn is profit and the same goes for Microsoft. So I'm left wondering is there some sort of sinister agenda of some sort? :hmmm:
They're only giving it away free to people who have already paid for an earlier version. Anyone building their own computer will have to buy it, and though I'm sure it is discounted for bulk rates companies offering it with new PCs have to pay. My guess is that they're worried about losses due to the flak over Windows 8 and want to get as many good reports as they can for future sales.

Problem is if it is how do we know and how do we find out and how do we separate facts from fiction? :hmmm:
We don't. It does remind me of a funny memory from long ago. When the birth-control pill became available in 1960 there was one newspaper columnist who made a joke about long-term side effects. "What if twenty years from now everybody who takes these suddenly grows a third leg or something?"

While there may be unexpected consequences arising from Windows 10, I doubt there is anything intentionally sinister going on. And if there is? Well, I'm old and don't mind playing the guinea pig.

On a related note I was offered and downloaded the latest version of Classic Shell, fine-tuned for Windows 10.

[Raptor1]

This looks like the Microsoft Corporation's standard policy. Get as many people to use Windows 10 as fast as possible to make its new features adopted as early as they can, thereby breaking compatibility with older versions of the operating system in any software that uses them and causing more people to upgrade.

Windows 10 also happens to feature Microsoft's ever increasing attempts to restrict control of the operating system's functions to users, not to mention their infamous data collection nonsense, so they benefit from more people moving to it in those regards as well.

[Catfish]

Really? You STILL do FaceBook?
:har:
Talk about an intrusive piece of crap!

A Plan:
Google: Look thoroughly after how to rob a bank
Facebook: Post "I want to rob a bank, any advice?"
Amazon: Buy a ski mask, via your bank account
eBay: Buy a plastic revolver, via PayPal
Facebook: "Will go to this bank on january 21st and rob it, at 11:00 a.m."
(a hundred 'likes')
Use your navihation software, and read a notice of robbing a bank that is much nearer than that you wanted to rob
Win!
:O:

Of course such direct notice is not necessary, your metadata will tell them enough. I think to find criminals of any kind today, you need to survey those networks, however how any criminal would use such networks voluntarily, is beyond me :dead:

[AVGWarhawk]

Really? You STILL do FaceBook?
:har:
Talk about an intrusive piece of crap!

It's only intrusive if you allow it to be.

[HW3]

They're only giving it away free to people who have already paid for an earlier version.

Only for the first year of the release of Windows 10. The end of July next year it will cost you.

[Buddahaid]

I just found one benefit of upgrading. My expired trial for Adobe Illustrator CC is now good for thirty more days. :up:

[Onkel Neal]

How to cure Windows 10's worst headaches
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2975289/windows/how-to-cure-windows-10s-worst-headaches.html

Of special interest to me,
Windows 10 home users are now pretty much required to accept and install updates at the time and choosing of Microsoft. This can be disastrous if you get a bad update that bricks your system or puts it in an endless reboot cycle, or if you have to download updates on a metered connection.

Luckily, there are solutions for both.

[Jimbuna]

^ Ta for the link...still undecided on upgrading though.

[ReallyDedPoet]

^ Ta for the link...still undecided on upgrading though.

Have it on the work computer, it's the guinea pig for 10 :yep:.

Will wait for awhile on the home one. No rush really.

[Jimbuna]

Have it on the work computer, it's the guinea pig for 10 :yep:.

Will wait for awhile on the home one. No rush really.

Rgr that matey, although feedback thus far seems to be divided between good and bad. Have till July to decide.

[AVGWarhawk]

How to cure Windows 10's worst headaches
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2975289/windows/how-to-cure-windows-10s-worst-headaches.html

Of special interest to me,

Rgr that matey, although feedback thus far seems to be divided between good and bad. Have till July to decide.


Very short list of minor issues that have a correctable/adjustable solution.

Jim, thus far, other than the learning curve of finding were things are located now, 10 works very well on my machine. I do enjoy features that MS offers for the Windows Phone(that I have) and Windows 10. File share is great between my devices. No more emailing a picture I have taken from my phone to my email address so I can download it for use on my computer. My pictures go to my Cloud automatically(I set it up that way). When I turn on my computer the picture is there. My music is also found on the cloud that I can access from all my Windows devices.

I have gotten to a point in my life were needing to know how Apple, Chromebook, Android and MS operating systems work is getting tiresome. I wanted to stick with one. Microsoft was the one. Windows 10 has simplified my digital world just a little more.

[vienna]

How to cure Windows 10's worst headaches
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2975289/windows/how-to-cure-windows-10s-worst-headaches.html

Of special interest to me,


Thank also for the link. I've just basically been winging it on the Win 10 upgrade I did. Since the upgrade process was very easy, I haven't had to make very many tweaks, but it is good to have a list of more common tweaks to which you can refer. I think a lot of the negative comments boil down to either the "orangutans are skeptical of changes in their cages" sort of reaction or the expectations by some that Win 10 will solve all of their problems when, like any other OS, it can't be all things to all people. Given the nearly infinite combinations and/or variations of hardware and software any Windows OS has to deal with and accommodate, I'd have to say they are doing an admirable job so far. The use of the upgrade I did is happy so far and so are other persons whom I have heard from...


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[Jimbuna]

Very short list of minor issues that have a correctable/adjustable solution.

Jim, thus far, other than the learning curve of finding were things are located now, 10 works very well on my machine. I do enjoy features that MS offers for the Windows Phone(that I have) and Windows 10. File share is great between my devices. No more emailing a picture I have taken from my phone to my email address so I can download it for use on my computer. My pictures go to my Cloud automatically(I set it up that way). When I turn on my computer the picture is there. My music is also found on the cloud that I can access from all my Windows devices.

I have gotten to a point in my life were needing to know how Apple, Chromebook, Android and MS operating systems work is getting tiresome. I wanted to stick with one. Microsoft was the one. Windows 10 has simplified my digital world just a little more.

Thanks for the info Chris....certainly adds weight to my 'Go for it' side :salute:

[HW3]

This might help those who are worried about Microsoft spying on them through Windows 10...or at least explain a few things.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-microsoft-is-not-spying-on-you-with-windows-10/

[Rockin Robbins]

Very short list of minor issues that have a correctable/adjustable solution.

Jim, thus far, other than the learning curve of finding were things are located now, 10 works very well on my machine. I do enjoy features that MS offers for the Windows Phone(that I have) and Windows 10. File share is great between my devices. No more emailing a picture I have taken from my phone to my email address so I can download it for use on my computer. My pictures go to my Cloud automatically(I set it up that way). When I turn on my computer the picture is there. My music is also found on the cloud that I can access from all my Windows devices.

I have gotten to a point in my life were needing to know how Apple, Chromebook, Android and MS operating systems work is getting tiresome. I wanted to stick with one. Microsoft was the one. Windows 10 has simplified my digital world just a little more.
But it's much, much worse than we thought and there is so much that we don't know yet. You may be able to fix those items Microsoft has given us switches for, but their EULA makes it crystal clear that switching them off is no protection. Microsoft claims the right to every piece of programming or information you have in your unshared private folders anywhere on your computer, and reserves the right to collect, preserve and distribute any of it as they see fit.

From the EULA: "We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your e-mails, other private communications, or files in private folders) when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary"

There is much more, but that is all you need to know: that they boldly and openly remove all rights to your personal property when you consent to use Windows 10. This is not only not wise but it is illegal in the EU and probably in the US as well, as they have some obligation to protect the privacy rights of people who cannot protect themselves. The only good thing you can say about Microsoft is that their EULA, which nobody will read, is open, clear and non-legalistic about telling you that the cost of using Windows 10 is that everything about you is fair game and can be kept forever for any use to which Microsoft or any "partners" see fit.

You will notice that they don't say that they have those rights unless you opt out with the privacy options. You give them those rights ANYWAY. There is a reason for that and it's not in your best interest. It's a stark and boldly naked admission that after you shut down all the privacy options they will still have access to everything and reserve the right to use it as they see fit. You have no remaining ownership rights to your computer.

Excellent video explaining much much more and it's all bad (https://youtu.be/ULq1ajA1Jek)

People should take a permanent pass on Windows 10 no matter how "wonderful" it seems because the price far outweighs any personal benefit from using it. It is a Trojan horse, all glittery and pretty as a lure for you to voluntarily give them your personal property so they can profit from your efforts and you get nothing good in return.

[AVGWarhawk]

But it's much, much worse than we thought and there is so much that we don't know yet. You may be able to fix those items Microsoft has given us switches for, but their EULA makes it crystal clear that switching them off is no protection. Microsoft claims the right to every piece of programming or information you have in your unshared private folders anywhere on your computer, and reserves the right to collect, preserve and distribute any of it as they see fit.

From the EULA: "We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your e-mails, other private communications, or files in private folders) when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary"

There is much more, but that is all you need to know: that they boldly and openly remove all rights to your personal property when you consent to use Windows 10. This is not only not wise but it is illegal in the EU and probably in the US as well, as they have some obligation to protect the privacy rights of people who cannot protect themselves. The only good thing you can say about Microsoft is that their EULA, which nobody will read, is open, clear and non-legalistic about telling you that the cost of using Windows 10 is that everything about you is fair game and can be kept forever for any use to which Microsoft or any "partners" see fit.

You will notice that they don't say that they have those rights unless you opt out with the privacy options. You give them those rights ANYWAY. There is a reason for that and it's not in your best interest. It's a stark and boldly naked admission that after you shut down all the privacy options they will still have access to everything and reserve the right to use it as they see fit. You have no remaining ownership rights to your computer.

Excellent video explaining much much more and it's all bad (https://youtu.be/ULq1ajA1Jek)

People should take a permanent pass on Windows 10 no matter how "wonderful" it seems because the price far outweighs any personal benefit from using it. It is a Trojan horse, all glittery and pretty as a lure for you to voluntarily give them your personal property so they can profit from your efforts and you get nothing good in return.


Here is the thing RR, I don't care. My information has been mined since my very first Windows 98 Acer 550 Monster. I can find everything about me by a simple google of my name. Places I lived, family members and places of employment.

There is nothing on my computer or digital life that MS can profit from.

If this new OS does not appeal to the user because of privacy issues then stay with the OS that works best. But, MS already has a lot on their users already. I don't think MS will get much more on me other than my obituaries one day. :haha::o

[Rockin Robbins]

Then you would be one of the very few exceptions out there who do not agree that giving out the key to your house, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, all personal communications, even any software you have installed on your machine to a company who says they will use all that as they see fit, store it forever, disperse it to any and all "partners." If the EULA didn't say it I'd be accused of wearing a tin foil hat, but read it and weep. Your computer is theirs to use as they see fit and you no longer own it.

Your information has never been mined like this before unless a court ordered subpeona has been delivered to your door. But what the legal system must jump through hoops designed to protect your privacy for, you wish to just give away? Eveyone has grave harm that can be done to them if their personal information gets in the wrong hands. You have credit scores to trash, bank accounts to drain, work communications that are supposed to be confidential, passwords, you can go on and on. When you install Windows 10 you give Microsoft unlimited access to all of that PLUS the right to disperse the information to whoever they choose without notice to you or permission from you.....talk about unreasonable search and seizure!

Not seeing danger in that is incomprehensible to me. Criminals need guns and brass knuckles to get some of that info. Microsoft buys you with a "free" operating system. It's so far beyond the pale that people should go to prison for a long time. It's a mugging with a smile and "I've got your back."

No Windows 10 for me. It's as dangerous as walking around with your checkbook in your pocket.

[AVGWarhawk]

Then you would be one of the very few exceptions out there who do not agree that giving out the key to your house, your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, all personal communications, even any software you have installed on your machine to a company who says they will use all that as they see fit, store it forever, disperse it to any and all "partners." If the EULA didn't say it I'd be accused of wearing a tin foil hat, but read it and weep. Your computer is theirs to use as they see fit and you no longer own it. Key to my house? No one has broken in. If they did, they do not need a key. Credit card numbers? I have had my bank card compromised. It was done after using it at a restaurant. It left my sight to be swiped for payment of my food. A few days later someone in TX is at a Walmart buying whatever. FDIC covered the loss. Money returned. I now use a secured credit card at restaurants. In essence, they are steeling the banks money if they compromise the card. But again, FDIC covers that as well. Don't much care about the software on my machine. I don't care if they share the info(most companies don't and state so.) And they can say they own my computer and use it as they see fit however I shut it off when not in use. They have no access.

Your information has never been mined like this before unless a court ordered subpeona has been delivered to your door. But what the legal system must jump through hoops designed to protect your privacy for, you wish to just give away? Eveyone has grave harm that can be done to them if their personal information gets in the wrong hands. You have credit scores to trash, bank accounts to drain, work communications that are supposed to be confidential, passwords, you can go on and on. When you install Windows 10 you give Microsoft unlimited access to all of that PLUS the right to disperse the information to whoever they choose without notice to you or permission from you.....talk about unreasonable search and seizure! RR, people have been taking/steeling credit card info since credit cards started. The old carbon copies that ended up in the trash when used back in the 60's-70's. Nothings has changed expect how they get it. And truthfully, what do I have that MS is so hot and heavy to take from my hard drive?

Not seeing danger in that is incomprehensible to me. Criminals need guns and brass knuckles to get some of that info. Microsoft buys you with a "free" operating system. It's so far beyond the pale that people should go to prison for a long time. It's a mugging with a smile and "I've got your back." Again, credit info has been stolen and sold millions of times over long before Windows 10.

No Windows 10 for me. It's as dangerous as walking around with your checkbook in your pocket. As many safe guards as one would like to put into place...if the criminal wants what you have...they will get it. This is what they do for a living. Some are damn good at it.


In today's world one does not have much choice but to be on the internet with your information. You go to the bank. You set up an account. Your information ends up where and how does it get there? Can it be compromised? Yes sir. Deal in cash as much as possible. Pay your bills by check(hope the USPS gets it there on time or does not lose it thus incurring a late fee as a result). Not to mention mail theft and fraud. Pick your poison as it were.

[Rockin Robbins]

Well, for your listening and dancing enjoyment, here's Leo LaPorte, a guy I've followed for fifteen years, middle of the road, noncontroversial guy saying what I'm saying maybe in a form that's better understood. He has a great story about Holland before WWII, very precise people, keeping records on everybody, who trusted their information wouldn't be dangerous in Holland's hands.

Nazi Germany came in, inherited the information and it was very, very easy for them to round up all the Jews because of this harmless information that had been collected for innocent reasons. Information doesn't always stay in the hands of those you trust and it can kill you.

So here's Leo LaPorte (https://youtu.be/FuYtQGfORwY). He agrees with me that in buying Windows 10 you give Microsoft the right to access your hard drive and take whatever it wants and also thinks this is troubling. He blames it on government. He misses the point that if Microsoft controls your computer and your computer can read your encrypted hard drive then Microsoft can read our encrypted hard drive. They have stripped all right of privacy from us if we install Windows 10.

Sorry. I believe that privacy is a right and that guarding your privacy can be very important in unforeseen ways. And that's the real danger. You can't foresee what information will be important, you can't foresee who will use it and you can't defend yourself because you gave Microsoft permission to examine, record and distribute every byte of your hard drive without notice, without consent, and to whoever, whenever they choose. That's going too far. Many are in jail for less.

They can even record any sounds within the range of your microphone, whether or not you are presently using your microphone. Same with your webcam. The agreement attached to Cortana says that in the clear. No legalese. Just naked admission of intent to do wrong. And we're not supposed to have a problem with that. Remember when the high schooler went to jail for using a girl's webcam and posting naked pics of her on t he Internet? When you buy Windows 10 you give them the right to do that without recourse. What put the high school boy in jail would be a consentual act because you installed Windows 10. You want your daughter to be famous? This might work and you might not like it.

Edit: A biggie I forgot. Windows 10 automatically gives anyone on your e-mail contact list, all your Facebook buddies, and a host of other people automatic right to log onto YOUR wi-fi! So a criminal can befriend you on Facebook or Google +, let it marinate for a year, then use your network for illegal activities for which you will be held responsible. Why? Because you have him the right to use your network and you are presumed to have done so in an informed manner. It's like lending your car to a drug smuggler. If he's stopped your car is seized and becomes the property of the entity who busted the smuggler. Your wi-fi is like that and with Windows 10 you give up the right to control the use of your own property.

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, how do you know all this? I am looking through the webs, I would like to read some substantiated sources that Windows 10 can automatically gives anyone on your e-mail contact list, all your Facebook buddies, and a host of other people automatic right to log onto YOUR wi-fi as well as access data on the HD? I see that there are things to consider, but they don't sound as excessive as you make them out to be,

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_ar e_and_how_to_plug_them.html

http://www.howtogeek.com/221864/digging-into-and-understanding-windows-10s-privacy-settings/

[STEED]

Couple of friends who upgraded to Win10 are now cheesed off as both of them can't get the menu to work after getting a update.

Just another reason why I'm holding off for now.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, for your listening and dancing enjoyment, here's Leo LaPorte, a guy I've followed for fifteen years, middle of the road, noncontroversial guy saying what I'm saying maybe in a form that's better understood. He has a great story about Holland before WWII, very precise people, keeping records on everybody, who trusted their information wouldn't be dangerous in Holland's hands.

Nazi Germany came in, inherited the information and it was very, very easy for them to round up all the Jews because of this harmless information that had been collected for innocent reasons. Information doesn't always stay in the hands of those you trust and it can kill you.

So here's Leo LaPorte (https://youtu.be/FuYtQGfORwY). He agrees with me that in buying Windows 10 you give Microsoft the right to access your hard drive and take whatever it wants and also thinks this is troubling. He blames it on government. He misses the point that if Microsoft controls your computer and your computer can read your encrypted hard drive then Microsoft can read our encrypted hard drive. They have stripped all right of privacy from us if we install Windows 10.

Sorry. I believe that privacy is a right and that guarding your privacy can be very important in unforeseen ways. And that's the real danger. You can't foresee what information will be important, you can't foresee who will use it and you can't defend yourself because you gave Microsoft permission to examine, record and distribute every byte of your hard drive without notice, without consent, and to whoever, whenever they choose. That's going too far. Many are in jail for less.

They can even record any sounds within the range of your microphone, whether or not you are presently using your microphone. Same with your webcam. The agreement attached to Cortana says that in the clear. No legalese. Just naked admission of intent to do wrong. And we're not supposed to have a problem with that. Remember when the high schooler went to jail for using a girl's webcam and posting naked pics of her on t he Internet? When you buy Windows 10 you give them the right to do that without recourse. What put the high school boy in jail would be a consentual act because you installed Windows 10. You want your daughter to be famous? This might work and you might not like it.

Edit: A biggie I forgot. Windows 10 automatically gives anyone on your e-mail contact list, all your Facebook buddies, and a host of other people automatic right to log onto YOUR wi-fi! So a criminal can befriend you on Facebook or Google +, let it marinate for a year, then use your network for illegal activities for which you will be held responsible. Why? Because you have him the right to use your network and you are presumed to have done so in an informed manner. It's like lending your car to a drug smuggler. If he's stopped your car is seized and becomes the property of the entity who busted the smuggler. Your wi-fi is like that and with Windows 10 you give up the right to control the use of your own property.

Well then I guess Hillary Clinton should not migrate to Windows 10. But her hard drive has been subpoenaed and her daughters hard drive mysteriously was reformatted during her postpartum.

I can assure you Windows 10 is not giving out POTUS email addresses and has little interest in his FB buddies.

Further, the US government uses Windows almost exclusively. Do you mean to tell me when the government migrates to 10 all that goes on with each and every program the government uses is now at MS disposal?

Yes, I'm aware of the webcam ordeal. Some lower level hackers getting access. Put a piece of tape over the camera lense. But again, this happened before 10 was introduced.

This is nowhere remotely close to giving my vehicle to a drug smuggler.

And to what end with all the cloak and dagger of Windows 10? What grand conspiracy? What master plan are we talking here? Of what use does Bill Gates or anyone at MS have with my info?

[Onkel Neal]

Couple of friends who upgraded to Win10 are now cheesed off as both of them can't get the menu to work after getting a update.

Just another reason why I'm holding off for now.

Nothing wrong with waiting until the program is polished.

[HW3]

I upgraded a couple of weeks ago, so far so good.

[Wolferz]

So I asked Cortana; "Are you stupid?"
The reply was; " One of us needs to take a break and one of us has no lungs"
:doh:
:har:

[AVGWarhawk]

So I asked Cortana; "Are you stupid?"
The reply was; " One of us needs to take a break and one of us has no lungs"
:doh:
:har:

She was right. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

So I asked Cortana; "Are you stupid?"
The reply was; " One of us needs to take a break and one of us has no lungs"
:doh:
:har:

I dare not respond :har:

[STEED]

I was flicking though a Win10 book at the bookshop today and to me its looks like 90% is same old stuff glossed up or tweaked with 10% new stuff, is that the case? :hmmm:

[vienna]

Basically, yes. There are very few learning curve obstacles (unless you are upgrading from, say, XP or earlier) and the installations I have done so far are running very well. All in all, no major complaints...

As for the privacy, complaints, are we to assume those who are the most vocal have no operating systems on their computers or devices, they have no wireless, they have no applications installed, they have no email accounts, no social networking, and no browsers? Any and/or all of the above, and some other apps, will render the tightest of security "loose" and any combination of the above will exponentially increase the "looseness". The only solution is to keep any data or content you don't want "them" to see on a device not hooked up to the internet in any way. Sort of becoming a technological hermit...


<O>

[Catfish]

Regarding Neal's question "where do you read all this" when it comes to MS's "intrusions", it is first stated during installation and then of course it is all in the EULA, you know this tiny, easily understandable scrap of (virtual) paper you have to agree to.
Not that anyone ever reads that ..

[Catfish]

While we know what can be observed already on a server adminstration level within domains, don't you think there are much more built-in backdoors.. known, and made intentionally accessible for the NSA et al. ..

While this all may be fine for the average user (even if he is silently stripped of his guaranteed rights already within the US), how and why you would be using an OS like Windows by any other than the US government worldwide, is beyond me.

Regarding Internet, this has its own backdoors, after all it was a military network (DARPA etc.), then opened for the public... :03:


If we want to be sure we need an own OS, and an own online communications net. This will also be compromised sooner or late, but it would at least not be THAT easy.

[antikristuseke]

Data mining aside I can't wait for Win 10 to finally fix the DTS connect/Dolby digital Live issue over coax and toslink, it is really annoying I can't enjoy 5.1 audio over a digital connection. This issue was brought up early in spring this year and wasn't taken care of before launch. There is hope that the fix will find it's way into the next insider build though.
Still I am baffled that something brought up more than half a year ago was not corrected before launching the product.

[HunterICX]

^Rubbish article.

My PC at home running Win7 64 Ultimate with Auto-Update on and that Win 10 upgrade icon in my system tray for ages and I have no such folder.

My PC at work running Win8.1, Auto-Update on and that Win10 icon in the tray since the start and again there's no such folder in my drive.

My Dad's laptop same thing Win7 Home, Auto-Update on, the Win10 icon and no folder.

afaik it only gets you the files if you reserved or signed for the upgrade beforehand, even if you haven't opted to make the move to win10 yet.
Now the Article explains that the users reported that they didn't but I've got 3 PC's and on neither of them I signed, clicked or pushed a button within the Win10 Icon and do not have the sneaked in mystery folder on any of the drives. (Though by now I've removed that update that brough the icon on my own computer as I got sick of that stupid pop up each time I booted up, I may make the move someday but for now I'm still wait&see and do not need a pop up to remind me of it's existence)

Also I like how it moans about ''people with data caps'' running into trouble of running through their limit thus slowing their Internet, I've got one question for these people ''Why on earth do you have Auto-Update enabled?'' If you run internet with a limit the first thing you'll be doing is disable everything that keeps your stuff up-to-date automatically. :haha:

[fred8615]

^Rubbish article.
And if you want some proof of that, read this:

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/old-news-resurrected-microsoft-downloading-windows-10-upgrade-bits-computers

[DragonRider]

I'm with HunterICX I had the icon showing on my base Computer for a long time
and no downloaded file appeared on my hard drives.
I then selected reserve my copy of Windows 10 or something like that and still no files.
I was then told that my copy of Windows 10 was ready so I selected let's start it then said
Windows is loading in the back ground but I selected let's start now this opened up the updates screen.
At this point windows 10 files started to be saved to my hard drive.
I don't know if for some reason people are confusing the icons files that also contain a program to make sure your
Computer can run Windows 10 as these so called "files"

[avers]

Hey guys, I'm having trouble with sh3, whenever I choose a folder in my E drive, I get a pop up sayin that this folder is not complete or invalid. What can I do to fix this?

[DragonRider]

How To Get Rid Of That Dam Windows 10 Upgrade Icon and Files
(If You Have Them On Your System)

Firstly Click the start menu and then select the Windows Update option.
Once on the Update page Select the view update history on the left hand side of the page.
At the top of the page you will see a "Review your update history" section within this section you will see the words "installed updates" highlighted in the text click on this.
Once you are in the Uninstall an Update screen scroll down until you find the entry which reads "Update for Microsoft Windows (KB3035583)" just click this then click Uninstall and there you go or rather there it goes.
After a restart the icon will be gone however to make sure it stays gone click the start menu and then again open Windows update look down any available Update for the file "Update for Microsoft Windows (KB3035583)"
Then right click it and select Hide Update then if you change your mind and want it back as you miss it so much you can just select restore hidden updates which is also available within the Widows update option.
So there you go peace of mind about that nasty little Windows 10 update :up:.

[Rockin Robbins]

DragonRider, that's the way to remove the first nagware/spyware installation but there have been more since. As far as Microsoft is concerned this is not an update that you have a right to refuse. I found and publicized your method the very day the nagware/spyware taskbar malware came out. However on my machine the icon and spyware are back in spite of the fact that KB3035583 is uninstalled and hidden from future installation. Hows that for thumbs up "peace of mind in our time?" That's pure fiction.

Not only will the nagware return, but Microsoft is installing the objectionable parts of Windows 10, the spyware, into Windows 7, 8 and 8.1. Further, it's very likely that without your knowledge or consent, Microsoft has downloaded the entirety of Window's 10, over 4 GB, onto your computer !

Microsoft is not concerned with respecting our rights, choices, preferences or consent. They just don't care how offensive their thuggish behavior is. That is troubling.

The trouble with GWX is that it is a trojan horse, executing encrypted instructions sent to it by Microsoft. Some have all the Windows 10 files downloaded to their computer, in spite of the fact that they refused the upgrade. Some, who want Windows 10 (God help them for they know not what they do) do not have the files on their machines. Some, like me, who eliminated the first installation of GWX, have it back again against their wills. What Microsoft's motivation is, besides insulting its customers and asking to be prosecuted for conversion, is unfathomable. If they were to brainstorm a strategy by an enemy to make them a hated entity, this would be the method. Microsoft is demonstrating utter contempt for its customers. They deserve our distrust.

http://betanews.com/2015/09/11/remove-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade-files-from-windows-7-and-windows-8-x
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/213183-once-more-with-tracking-microsoft-backports-privacy-invading-windows-10-features-to-windows-7-8
http://betanews.com/2015/08/13/windows-10-phones-home-to-microsoft-even-if-you-change-privacy-settings
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/31/technology/windows10-mozilla-letter/index.html

Read carefully. Make up your own mind. Windows 10 is malware, originated for the purpose of exploiting you.

[vienna]

:yawn:


<O>

[DragonRider]

DragonRider, that's the way to remove the first nagware/spyware installation but there have been more since. As far as Microsoft is concerned this is not an update that you have a right to refuse. I found and publicized your method the very day the nagware/spyware taskbar malware came out. However on my machine the icon and spyware are back in spite of the fact that KB3035583 is uninstalled and hidden from future installation. Hows that for thumbs up "peace of mind in our time?" That's pure fiction.

Not only will the nagware return, but Microsoft is installing the objectionable parts of Windows 10, the spyware, into Windows 7, 8 and 8.1. Further, it's very likely that without your knowledge or consent, Microsoft has downloaded the entirety of Window's 10, over 4 GB, onto your computer !

Microsoft is not concerned with respecting our rights, choices, preferences or consent. They just don't care how offensive their thuggish behavior is. That is troubling.

The trouble with GWX is that it is a trojan horse, executing encrypted instructions sent to it by Microsoft. Some have all the Windows 10 files downloaded to their computer, in spite of the fact that they refused the upgrade. Some, who want Windows 10 (God help them for they know not what they do) do not have the files on their machines. Some, like me, who eliminated the first installation of GWX, have it back again against their wills. What Microsoft's motivation is, besides insulting its customers and asking to be prosecuted for conversion, is unfathomable. If they were to brainstorm a strategy by an enemy to make them a hated entity, this would be the method. Microsoft is demonstrating utter contempt for its customers. They deserve our distrust.

http://betanews.com/2015/09/11/remove-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade-files-from-windows-7-and-windows-8-x
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/213183-once-more-with-tracking-microsoft-backports-privacy-invading-windows-10-features-to-windows-7-8
http://betanews.com/2015/08/13/windows-10-phones-home-to-microsoft-even-if-you-change-privacy-settings
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/31/technology/windows10-mozilla-letter/index.html

Read carefully. Make up your own mind. Windows 10 is malware, originated for the purpose of exploiting you.
Dear Sir I am sorry to read you are still having trouble with the Windows 10 Icon and Files.
I myself have not had any return of the icon however after reading your post I decided to recheck my own system.
The hard drive usage has not increased more than 30mb which is a download I did today.
Ok lets dig down a bit No C:\Windows\syswow64\gwx files found.
And maybe the amd64 files nope all say empty and ah wow64_microsoft-windows-gwx 31bf3856ad364e35_6.1.7601.18915_none_18f3f42da140f bf8 this is an empty folder as all the folders in the group are.
Ok lets research a bit here is say that if you did install Windows 10 and the rolled back to what you were using before this can leave Windows 10 files on your system.
And also if you said yes to the upgrade but then never let it finish the install that also leave the files on your system.
Well I hope you get it fixed but for now my system is still clear of Windows 10 :hmmm:

[STEED]

Is anyone getting Microsoft pop up windows banging on about Win10 saying I should upgrade? I'm getting fed up seeing these pop ups badgering me to get Win10. :stare:

I will make my own mind up thank you, I don't need MS trying it on.

[Catfish]

Resistence is futile.
You will be assimilated.

:D


As you have probably read, the Win 10 'proposal' became a bit intrusive on my Win 7 system, while installing updates for Win 10. It screwed up the existing installation, and no restore point was able to fix that. I succumbed and all my data and anything i am and own, now belongs to Microsoft.
I feel sooo fine, it is all very nice here.

There maybe a method to stop this Win 10 installation ..'proposal, but make sure you have a backup (or iso, is the best) or at least some system restore points, before you try any of those tricks.
You have to uninstall some special update (kb numbers provided on the 'net), and then flag it to not appear again, but you also have to remove some bits here and there, otherwise it will just reinstall all after the next syste start, and you have the same problem again.

I did not succeed, but others did :-?