Any suggestions on the new fire arm?

[ikalugin]

Planning to buy a new rifle. Any suggestions? What I am looking for is:
- bolt action or semi automatic.
- long range optimised (got a rifle for short-medium range, 9.3mm).
- high stopping power (I plan to hunt big game - such as elk, bear and such).

[swamprat69er]

How bout a 'new' to you Lee Enfield .303? Its' got stopping power, long range and the bolt action you are looking for.
http://youtu.be/wVO1Gp6BtJE

[ikalugin]

I would prefer a new high performance rifle using non exotic ammo.

[Rockstar]

Remington products have been a favorite of mine. Quite a variety of the model 700 to choose from, including caliber.

http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/bolt-action-model-700.aspx

[Skybird]

Judging from my experiences in The Hunter I would... no, think I better don't... :D :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Judging from my experiences in The Hunter I would... no, think I better don't... :D :haha:

Got me thinking about that video you posted (I think it was you) of the guy shooting wild boar with that mini gun :)

No bolt action though :03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLNoYujxeRo

[ikalugin]

Such automatic weapons are restricted to the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement agencies in Russia.
As to Remington - it does indeed have a nice line up. But I am looking for something with more power than .300 win magnum (though it is a very good cartridge).

[Skybird]

Keppler KS V.

You said you want high performance with non-exotic ammo. Available as .308 Winchester, .30o Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua. Two barrels, 650 mm and 500/550 mm. Cartridges with 3 and 5 rounds.

http://www.keppeler-te.de/cms/media/Sniper/sniper_ks_v_jagd_max.jpg

That's as much as I can contribute to this thread. :)

[Skybird]

(I think it was you)
True.

[ikalugin]

Keppler KS V.

You said you want high performance with non-exotic ammo. Available as .308 Winchester, .30o Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua. Two barrels, 650 mm and 500/550 mm. Cartridges with 3 and 5 rounds.

http://www.keppeler-te.de/cms/media/Sniper/sniper_ks_v_jagd_max.jpg

That's as much as I can contribute to this thread. :)
Actually this does look very nice, though I am not a big fan of bullpup layout. Thanks for contributing, 650mm barrel and .338 Lapua may be what I am looking for.

[Armistead]

I have a Winchester Model 70 3006 I use for big game hunting..

[Oberon]

Why not keep it local and go with a Mosin-Nagant if you don't have one already? With a few modifications they're good range rifles and the calibre is only slightly smaller than the Lee Enfield. Heck, if you go for the Polish variant then you get a 7.92mm cartridge, but I imagine that's probably harder to get ammunition for.

If you're looking for Lapua territory though, try Accuracy International AWM, no idea of the costs or availability (not really a hunter myself) but it's what our lads use with a .338 and I do believe it holds the current world record for long distance sniping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_AWM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/sean22mb/rifleAI-AWM-0003.jpg


It's being replaced with the AX338 so it might be coming down in price as the Army offloads their material. :hmmm:

I've had the fortune to be able to handle an AWM (well, L96A1 in our parlance) and found it to be quite nicely balanced with good optics. Although, I must admit I was more impressed by the SUSAT on the L85A2 and how clear it was at multiple ranges without manual adjustment.

[em2nought]

https://www.classicfirearms.com/zastava308calibersemiautorifle10rd You won't beat $519 https://classicfirearms.s3.amazonaws.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/350x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/m/7/m77ps.pngedit: it's a nato .308

[Red October1984]

Why not keep it local and go with a Mosin-Nagant if you don't have one already? With a few modifications they're good range rifles and the calibre is only slightly smaller than the Lee Enfield. Heck, if you go for the Polish variant then you get a 7.92mm cartridge, but I imagine that's probably harder to get ammunition for.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG

Rifle already has sights for 2000 meters. Most perfect rifle in world already. :rock:


Anyway....serious time...

Friend of mine bought a 7mm Magnum and that has some great stopping power. You might do better with a .300 Win Mag which is up there and also very accurate. Several people around my area of Missouri have also (for long range rifles) built their own based off of a Mauser action. Depends how much work and money you want to put into it. .300 Win Mag is something Elk, Moose, etc hunters usually go for. It holds energy well depending on the load you're shooting. 7mm Mag stays flatter but I honestly think the .300 is a better choice.

I'd say go for a .300 Win Mag (You can get the Remington 700 XCR Tactical Long Range (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/centerfire-tactical/model-700-xcr-tactical-long-range.aspx) there).

If 300 Win Mag is too much (very well could be), i'd say go for a 7mm Mag.

[Kaptlt.Endrass]

I've got the classic 1903 Springfield bolt-action. .30 caliber, 5 round magazine, rugged, and versatile. Deer, elk, moose, and the occasional bear. Good for small game too if you can hit it (I can't) The clip can be loaded only 1 round at a time with a scope though.

They're accurate if you can get the scope dialed in (I get groups I can cover with a hand at 100 meters, both at 500 meters, and can hit a target at one kilometer.) They're the WWII US sniper rifle of choice, too.

If not that, I've had some good times with a .308 Remington, .300 Winchester Magnum, and Remington .30-06s. The 300 Win Mag's got a kick, though.

[Stealhead]

Depends on what you're after elk, moose, mountain goat, sheep, wildabeast. Not really a one size fits all answer.
For the most consistent flattest trajectory .338 Lapua. 30-06, 7.62x54mm and 7.92x57 are all pretty solid as well. I'd take the 7.92x57 over the other older designs. .303 is a tad light for larger game though it'd take deer caribu goats and sheep just fine.

[August]

Maybe you should get the "rifle the won the war"

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/m1garand1-300x158.jpg
M1 Garand 30.06 8 shot semi auto

[Rockstar]

How about a good ol' fashion tried an proven Henry 45/70 lever action.

[August]

How about a good ol' fashion tried an proven Henry 45/70 lever action.

I've been thinking of getting one of those myself. 45/70 is an easy reload so I understand.

[Aktungbby]

Depends on what you're after elk, moose, mountain goat, sheep, wildabeast. Not really a one size fits all answer.
For the most consistent flattest trajectory .338 Lapua. 30-06, 7.62x54mm and 7.92x57 are all pretty solid as well. I'd take the 7.92x57 over the other older designs. .303 is a tad light for larger game though it'd take deer caribu goats and sheep just fine.I use a .375 H&H Browning A-bolt Stalker with BOSS compensator in stainless. With a break-away Nikon scope and fixed iron sight for all field/winter/fog contingencies and anything you have larger than a mule deer. Indispensible for bison(required minimum on some guided buffalo hunts), moose/caribou or bear...or 'dangerous game'-Cape buffalo or rhino. No longer made but obtainable at $800-1200 NICE!http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_577/gi_100503437/100503437_577_AE80B6A4B6C0B24B.JPG

How about a good ol' fashion tried an proven Henry 45/70 lever action.Indeed! I'm still packin' an original trapdoor infantry 1873 45-70 and it's the only round I reload with Lee hand loaders in both nitrate and black powder. I bought it used in Texas gunshop for $125.00!! in 1978-my truckin' days. The weapon is indestructible and utterly reliable; the other one I use in 45-70 is a Sharps Shiloh Carbine, acquired 35 years ago. trapdoor>http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/458088000/458088064/pix720715205.jpg
http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_332/gi_100510215/100510215_332_AE80F229D79E4810.jpg<sharp's carbine the new production Sharps is fussy about (resized) reloads: better to use factory new and reloads in the trapdoor. My Henry,bought from my brother, $500, is a .44 magnum. Compared to the above items, it's a respectable whackin' gun. http://www.henryrifles.com/wp-content/uploads/rifles/Big-Boy-Rifle1.png

[ikalugin]

I already own a rifle chambered for the 9.3*62 round for what is normal hunting ranges here. What I am looking for is a modern (not historic, so please no mossins) long range rifle.

From what I gather .338 Lapua is about the best calibre one could have for that task, but how does the recoil compare to my 9.3*62?

[d@rk51d3]

How about a good ol' fashion tried an proven Henry 45/70 lever action.

Thinking of doing the same, myself.
Marlin 1895 SBL.... or maybe a plain guide, and add a saddle ring safety delete.:cool:

[Buddahaid]

Maybe you should get the "rifle the won the war"

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/m1garand1-300x158.jpg
M1 Garand 30.06 8 shot semi auto

Is that yours? I'm in envy.... :yeah:

[Oberon]

Maybe you should get the "rifle the won the war"

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/m1garand1-300x158.jpg
M1 Garand 30.06 8 shot semi auto

I think that might come under the automatic law that he mentioned earlier. Otherwise that or the M14 would have been in my suggestion list, especially the M14, good solid rifle that. :yep:

[ikalugin]

Semi automatic is fine - for example you could but the civilian SVD equivalent here.

[Wolferz]

The AK-47 has plenty of stopping power doesn't it?:03:

[ikalugin]

The AK-47 has plenty of stopping power doesn't it?:03:
Have you ever seen in person and AK model 1947?

And no, they are different weapons with the SVD and the AK tends to be automatic, thus possessing it requires a special license.

[Oberon]

Semi automatic is fine - for example you could but the civilian SVD equivalent here.

Oh, in that case, M14, about a solid a rifle as you could wish for, good size calibre, good stopping power too.

Over to our man on the scene, the Gunny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdcyaIyMHBM

[Wolferz]

Have you ever seen in person and AK model 1947?

And no, they are different weapons with the SVD and the AK tends to be automatic, thus possessing it requires a special license.

I've only seen and shot a Chinese made knockoff. It was only semi-automatic. Russian made 7.62 ammo was readily available here in the states.

I won't advise you to get one of those because they tend to cook off rounds left in the chamber after the weapon has been fired just a few times.:huh:

I hunt with a British Blonde Stock .303 with a scope.:shucks:

[Oberon]

tend to cook off rounds left in the chamber after the weapon has been fired just a few times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp6YthxqjBM

:haha:

[Stealhead]

I already own a rifle chambered for the 9.3*62 round for what is normal hunting ranges here. What I am looking for is a modern (not historic, so please no mossins) long range rifle.

From what I gather .338 Lapua is about the best calibre one could have for that task, but how does the recoil compare to my 9.3*62?


9.3x62(232~292gr) is larger than .338(8.6x70 and 200~300gr) so recoil I'd say in the same ballpark with the .338 being a bit softer.

[Wolferz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp6YthxqjBM

:haha:

"Allah hu AKBAR!"

Would've been funnier if there had been blood.:up::haha:

[Red October1984]

I think that might come under the automatic law that he mentioned earlier. Otherwise that or the M14 would have been in my suggestion list, especially the M14, good solid rifle that. :yep:

Friend of mine has an M1...i witnessed him shoot a deer with it in November. Very very nice gun...he just hasn't let me take it for a spin yet. :doh:

Have you ever seen in person and AK model 1947?

And no, they are different weapons with the SVD and the AK tends to be automatic, thus possessing it requires a special license.

My family has an AK.... :hmmm: No special license required. Unless you're in California maybe...they run about 500$ here and they're very very fun to shoot.

[ikalugin]

9.3x62(232~292gr) is larger than .338(8.6x70 and 200~300gr) so recoil I'd say in the same ballpark with the .338 being a bit softer.
Thanks for the constructive input.

In the end I have decided to get the .300 win magnum and then maybe get a heavier .338 Lapua at some later point if I still need better range performance.

[ikalugin]

Friend of mine has an M1...i witnessed him shoot a deer with it in November. Very very nice gun...he just hasn't let me take it for a spin yet. :doh:



My family has an AK.... :hmmm: No special license required. Unless you're in California maybe...they run about 500$ here and they're very very fun to shoot.
Captain obvious says that I live in Moscow, Russia.

[Red October1984]

Captain obvious says that I live in Moscow, Russia.

And that's fine. :yeah: I know exactly nothing about your gun legislation over there. I'll admit it.

[Betonov]

And that's fine. :yeah: I know exactly nothing about your gun legislation over there. I'll admit it.

it's something between yours and ours :03:

[ikalugin]

And that's fine. :yeah: I know exactly nothing about your gun legislation over there. I'll admit it.
Well it is fairly simple, ie:
- any reasonable man (who does not suffer from mental issues and does not have a criminal record) could own a defence fire arm (ie a PM with rubber bullets).
- any reasonable man with hunting license can arm a smooth, full length barrel, manually reloaded or semi auto shotgun (no saw offs, as they can be used as concealed weapons).
- after some period (forgot what it was) of good usage that person could procure a full length, manually reloaded or semi auto rifle.

You also need to register your firearm, have a proper storing location for it (an armoury or safe), store ammo separately and so on and so forth. You are also not allowed to have full metal jacket munitions I think.

Automatic or what could be viewed as combat firearms are allowed for specially licensed security companies or the PMCs.

[August]

Automatic or what could be viewed as combat firearms are allowed for specially licensed security companies or the PMCs.

Interesting Over here in the land of the "free" we can purchase and (legally) own a full automatic firearm only if we pass an extensive FBI background check that takes several months and pay several hundred dollars in tax. The state government in question may also require a permit/tax for possession as well.

In addition the owner must surrender his 4th amendment right to privacy by giving the government standing permission to enter his home without a warrant in order to check that the firearm is still in his possession and is stored correctly. There are also restrictions on crossing state lines and a raft of other regulations and requirements to comply with. In short as much a pain in the posterior as they can make it without outright banning ownership.

[ikalugin]

Interesting Over here in the land of the "free" we can purchase and (legally) own a full automatic firearm only if we pass an extensive FBI background check that takes several months and pay several hundred dollars in tax. The state government in question may also require a permit/tax for possession as well.

In addition the owner must surrender his 4th amendment right to privacy by giving the government standing permission to enter his home without a warrant in order to check that the firearm is still in his possession and is stored correctly. There are also restrictions on crossing state lines and a raft of other regulations and requirements to comply with. In short as much a pain in the posterior as they can make it without outright banning ownership.
We sort of have this for the hunting fire arms (though the measures are similar they are not as thorough), the combat ones are only permitted as service arms for the security companies and PMCs, requiring special license (for the company) and special training/certification for the user.

Thus it makes having a combat fire arm technically possible in Russia, but very, very difficult.

[CaptainHaplo]

An Armalite AR30A1 will set you back about $1900. While I personally prefer an A Square over a Lapua, not many agree with me. You can get a .338 Lapua for as low as around $1200, but I wouldn't suggest it. If you have the means, a Barret 13127 is really the "choice" easily available.

Your other "snipe" choice is a Dragunov - and just because its design is Russian too many westerners dismiss it outright. The commercially available "Tiger" is a sweet rifle, and are not overly expensive.

I love my M1 Carbine, but its not the most powerful in stopping power. Good accuracy at range and it may not drop every target but it sure as heck will still hurt - a LOT!

Best advice I can give is if possible, go to a local range or three that has a selection of long guns and try out a few. Find what "fits" you best. The same applies to handguns. Always try to get a few rounds fired before you spend money on something that looks great on paper but just doesn't sit quite right with you.