OBAMA IS DESTROYING THE CONSTITUTION!

[Bilge_Rat]

I am very disappointed with the forum these days. Obama is about to actually do something for once.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/11/obama_s_immigration_plan_the_constitution_allows_h im_to_set_deportation.html

In the "Old Days", we would have had half a dozen "foam-at-the mouth"/Outraged threads about our communist/muslim/take-our-guns/alien/Constitution-shredding President. :ping:

Now nary a peep is heard. What happened? everyone retired? bored? thinking about 2016?

Hello? Hello? anyone out there? :D

p.s. -what happened to Bubblehead1980? he was always good to get these going.

[GoldenRivet]

Bilge... not sure what to tell you.

Unfortunately for the USA, as long as Americans can continue to enjoy the little things like big screen TVs - few of them will actually care. Until of course it's way too late.

The man is a tyrant, there are those who realize it, those who turn a blind eye to it, those that worship his every move, and those who are far too stupid to know anything about the subject... lets throw in racists and birthers just to add consistency to the soup.

Discussing it here will only result in the thread spiraling out of control as folks from each of the aforementioned groups dive in

Good luck, and invest heavily in brass :salute:

[Armistead]

well, we just went through an election and I suspect most are sick of politics. The GOP wiped the Dems out and I suspect we'll see Dems running for president staying away from him. It's just the same old cycle of letting the two parties screw the country.

As far as liberals, I think many, like Obama, hate the white Euro system America was founded and built on and want to destroy it. In another 50 years we'll look like South America...

[GoldenRivet]

As far as liberals, I think many, like Obama, hate the white Euro system America was founded and built on and want to destroy it. In another 50 years we'll look like South America...

Probably

http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/13102011_student_protests_south_america/students_007.jpg

http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/13102011_student_protests_south_america/students_005.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/04/article-2045259-0A255DE4000005DC-14_468x324.jpg

[Tchocky]

You spoke far, far too soon, Bilge_rat.


Three posts in and already advice to buy bullets.

I mean for God's sake :/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!!


EDIT


Screw it.

The man is a tyrant

How exactly? Extraordinary claims etc.

As far as liberals, I think many, like Obama, hate the white Euro system America was founded and built on and want to destroy it.

That kind of rubbish is going to need a bit more polish as well. What parts of the "white Euro system"?

What the hell is a white Euro system while we're at it.

[Dread Knot]

Now nary a peep is heard. What happened? everyone retired? bored? thinking about 2016?

Hello? Hello? anyone out there? :D

p.s. -what happened to Bubblehead1980? he was always good to get these going.


Last I heard they were searching some giant federal warehouse in Nevada for Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate.

However, I think they tripped over Jimmy Hoffa's coffin and got sucked into a never-patented free energy Perpetual Motion Machine.

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/Pictures/web/c/x/e/raiders_of_the_lost_ark_warehouse_scen_450.jpg

[Platapus]

Fortunately or unfortunately, it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide whether he is or is not overstepping his authority. Both sides make convincing arguments.

The constitution and past SCotUS decisions gives the chief executive considerable authority in how to prioritize the enforcing of laws.

[Wolferz]

:-? Meh!

The article mentions that they ( the government) only deport the criminal UI's. When in reality, every UI that immigrated on the down low is a criminal in every sense of the word.
However, deporting 11 million of them would likely break the bank. Not only the treasury, but also all those campaign funds from the companies who need those poor saps as almost free labor that politicians will never let loose of. So, the cart pulls the horse and that's not likely to change until this UI minority builds up sufficient numbers to crash the entire system by crashing the gates and becoming a majority.
They have a real good start.

If we refuse to be corporate slaves, they'll find others who will.

As for Obama, he's a lame duck at the moment and he'll be gone in a couple of years. Thankfully, I wasn't dumb enough to fall for his schtick in '08 or 12.

[nikimcbee]

I don't miss the political threads.

[vienna]

Hmm, maybe the Who were right..."Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120334/obama-immigration-order-legal-bush-and-reagans-were

...and remember: the last general amnesty for illegal aliens was by that raging liberal and activist, Ronald Reagan...

I leave you with a little ditty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJn4btgh3uQ

Enjoy...


<O>

[eddie]

I think its the system all those European immigrants moved to America to get away from.:03:

:haha::haha:

[Skybird]

"Lunacy that has gone pandemic is called reason."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11240700/School-marked-down-by-Ofsted-for-being-too-white.html

You think both things have no common ground, are two different things? Think twice.

As long as it erodes the fundaments of Western civilization and violates economic reason, its welcomed: genderism, homophilia, undifferentiated xenophilia, Islamophilia, political correctness, carbon hysteria, veganism, spiritistic ecologism, Keynesianism - it all contributes to the one great cause: destroy Western burgoise society and economy.

Who was it who said "We are legion"?

Get out an order to the manufacturers, America. You will need even more money printers once this administration is done with you. Thank God uncovered credit rains from paper money heaven.

[Tchocky]

Why are the liberal media, so in the tank for Obama, downplaying the influence of Lincolnshire school inspections on his latest sweeping autocratic changes to our borders?!!1/1?

[Red October1984]

I don't miss the political threads.

:up:

I'm with you on this one. It's not worth the arguing.

[Onkel Neal]

well, we just went through an election and I suspect most are sick of politics. The GOP wiped the Dems out and I suspect we'll see Dems running for president staying away from him. It's just the same old cycle of letting the two parties screw the country.

As far as liberals, I think many, like Obama, hate the white Euro system America was founded and built on and want to destroy it. In another 50 years we'll look like South America...

Yep, this.

And there's not much point discussing politics here. :down:

[Admiral Halsey]

Anyone want some popcorn for the incoming fun?

[ikalugin]

A thread not involving Russia bashing? Count me in.

[Buddahaid]

Anyone want some popcorn for the incoming fun?

Is it right, or left wing popcorn....:rock:

[ikalugin]

Well I am an outsider and hence don't really get why this is a such huge issue.

Isn't it yet another case of a politician looking for votes?

[em2nought]

Maybe it's quiet because we've reached the "do something about it" instead of the "endlessly talk about it" stage. Wouldn't that be cool! :up:

[razark]

Isn't it yet another case of a politician looking for votes?
Of course not.

This is a vital issue. This event is the very point where our country will either flourish or die. After this event, either our side will prevail, leading to victory and glory and a bright future, or their side will prevail, leading to a new dark age of ignorance and squalor until our side can win a small majority in one area. This is the very watershed moment or our generation! Nothing will ever surpass this moment in political history.

So, uhm...
What's going on again?

[Buddahaid]

Of course not.

This is a vital issue. This event is the very point where our country will either flourish or die. After this event, either our side will prevail, leading to victory and glory and a bright future, or their side will prevail, leading to a new dark age of ignorance and squalor until our side can win a small majority in one area. This is the very watershed moment or our generation! Nothing will ever surpass this moment in political history.

So, uhm...
What's going on again?

Precisely! Why doesn't everyone else see this!

[Jimbuna]

Anyone want some popcorn for the incoming fun?

I've a large supply and will be observing.

[Schroeder]

A thread not involving Russia bashing? Count me in.
How long do you think it will take before someone screams "communist!"?:O:

[Betonov]

What's wrong with the white euro system :O:

I've been enjoying it for almost 30 years now and the country went down the toilet when we started implementing the american business models

[ikalugin]

American exceptionalism.

[Bilge_Rat]

I blame fluoridated water. :ping:

Politico has one of their typical "behind the scenes" puff piece on the Obama move. However, it does contain a fascinating tidbit. Seems the House GOP was close to adopting an immigration Bill that Obama would sign, but then Eric Cantor got beaten in a primary by a Tea Party activist...


Enter Diaz-Balart, the Floridian whose Hispanic background and solid relationships with conservative members of the House GOP conference made him well-positioned to broker a compromise. In May and early June, Diaz-Balart spent his evenings quietly shopping a PowerPoint presentation of a border enforcement and legalization bill to his colleagues. He poll-tested the proposal. He recruited a whip team of roughly eight lawmakers and they secured soft commitments from at least 120 Republicans, enough to pass Democratic support, according to multiple sources familiar with the process.

He had planned to sit down with House leaders on June 12, ask for a week to firm up the numbers and secure their commitment to bring the bill to the floor — from which he hoped it would pass with a bipartisan majority. Behind the scenes, he kept the White House informed of his actions. Obama held out hope that Diaz-Balart might succeed where so many others had failed, agreeing to delay the release of a narrow batch of executive actions on immigration to avoid antagonizing conservatives at a delicate moment in Diaz-Balart’s negotiations.

But then, just two days before the meeting, Eric Cantor, the House majority leader who had gingerly supported certain immigration reforms, lost the Republican primary for his Virginia House seat to an insurgent candidate who hammered him for his supposed softness on immigration. “Eric Cantor saying he opposes amnesty is like Barack Obama saying he opposes Obamacare,” thundered Dave Brat, an obscure college professor who challenged the powerful majority leader. Beating Cantor, Brat claimed, “is the last chance” to prevent undocumented immigrants from pouring into the country.

“We were so close,” Diaz-Balart says now. “We were closer than the House has ever been.”



http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/how-obama-got-here-113077.html?hp=t2_r

[Tchocky]

Surely you don't expect it to make sense.

In all seriousness, no, I suppose I don't expect it to make a lot of sense. That's more to do with what's posted than who posted it. GR and Armistead are both smart guys.

You can't post absolute rubbish and expect to get away with it.

[Dread Knot]

And here we go. Last lawsuit in the pool is a dirty egg.


http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/sheriff-joe-arpaio-to-file-lawsuit-against-obamas-immigration-plan-claims-it-is-unconstitutional

PHOENIX - Moments after President Barack Obama unveiled his plan for immigration reform through executive action , Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said he will be filing a lawsuit claiming the order is unconstitutional. "He speaks a good game--and I understand where he's coming from in a way--on the other hand, let's not con the American public. How are we gonna keep track of these 5 million people?" said Arpaio.

[Rockstar]

Amenesty has been looked upon favorably by every president since Ronald Reagan. So, what if what we are seeing today regarding amnesty are attempts being made at population control.

* Perhaps the most significant population trend from the viewpoint of the United States is the prospect that Mexico's population will increase from 50 million in 1970 to over 130 million by the year 2000. Even under most optimistic conditions, in which the country's average fertility falls to replacement level by 2000, Mexico's population is likely to exceed 100 million by the end of this century.

How can the Mexican population be brought undercontrol without implementing plan Soylent Green? Bring them out of poorer country and into the land of opportunity. Granted nothing will happen over night but it is thought:

* higher income families tend to have fewer children, spend more on the health and education of these children, have more wealth to pass on to these children in contrast to the several disadvantages that face the children of the poor. The latter tend to be more numerous, receiving less of an investment per child in their "human capital", leaving the children with economic, educational and social constraints similar to those which restrict the opportunities of the parents. In short, high fertility contributes to the intergenerational continuity of maldistributions of income and related social and political problems.

Unfortunately we have to listen to all the politicians, media hacks and shills turn it into politcal hay. Of course too it does raise the question if this doesn't work whats the next plan? :hmm2:


(* NSSM 200)

[Rilder]

How long do you think it will take before someone screams "communist!"?:O:

I do that every day while looking in the mirror in order to motivate myself to take down the bourgeoisie. :O:

[ikalugin]

Well apart from the obvious solution (US going the radical right wing way), I think that improving the standards of life or promoting the birth control in Mexico could help.

[Tango589]

People not getting all foamy jowled in outrage and tearing each other to shreds in bouts of righteous indignation?

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm260/tango589/gasp.gif

WHAT'S HAPPENING? I THINK WE SHOULD BE TOLD!

[Skybird]

promoting the birth control in Mexico could help.
In a country where catholizism celebrated triumphs? Good luck with that.

We need more births in industrialised, highly developed countries - and a MASSIVE, HUGE decline of birth rates in underperforming countries. So that in total there is a huge negative development in population sizes on global scale.

But say that out loud in our politically correct and socially oh so concerned Western countries, and political correctors will mount a collective jump onto you of brigade-sized level.

[Jeff-Groves]

:-?
In before the inevitable.
It's a slow day.

[Wolferz]

Republicans file suit against the president alleging that the executive branch has unconstitutionally bypassed congress with Obamacare. So, where were they when this crap got signed into law?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republicans-file-obamacare-lawsuit/ar-BBf34go

Like I always say...
"Give 'em enough rope and they hang themselves"

[Skybird]

Republicans file suit against the president alleging that the executive branch has unconstitutionally bypassed congress with Obamacare. So, where were they when this crap got signed into law?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republicans-file-obamacare-lawsuit/ar-BBf34go

Like I always say...
"Give 'em enough rope and they hang themselves"
Its all about poower.

Obama has nothing to lose anymore and no more elections to win. So he makes a stand for the next democratic candidate coming after him, most likely Clinton, by trying to let Republicans look bad when in reply to his action they maybe reply with a total blockade of anything in Senate and Congress. The hope is that Americans will turn against the initiators of such a "destructive policy" and instead will vote for the "constructively trying" shiny knight in blue armour.

The issue of illegal immigrants is unimportant in this. Obama cannot benefit from succeeding there anymore. They get instrumentalised. The interests of the American nation or the will of the majority of the population also plays no role.

It simply is about power, is calculated to accumulate power, is meant to break the opponent's power, is trying to defend one's own power.

Power, and nothing else. And power means: control of the masses.

People should finally learn to understand that this is the unwritten premise whenever they think it is a good idea to listen to something politicians say. They lie, deceive and betray, it is the daily bread and butter of their their profession, and their profession is: power.

Forget all that idealistic scribbling on ancient documents. It has not more meaning anymore than props used on an operetta stage.

[Platapus]

Well I can just tell you that I, for one, will not be voting for Obama next presidential election. That's for sure. :stare:

[Catfish]

Neither me. :hmph:

...

[razark]

Well I can just tell you that I, for one, will not be voting for Obama next presidential election.
You don't need to worry about that. My mother-in-law has repeatedly assured me that there will be no more presidential elections.

[Rockstar]

You don't need to worry about that. My mother-in-law has repeatedly assured me that there will be no more presidential elections.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt254/babyfacephoto/thats-all-folks-01.gif

[mapuc]

Well I can just tell you that I, for one, will not be voting for Obama next presidential election. That's for sure. :stare:

OK I'm an outsider, are there not some laws about how many times a person can be a President in your country ? is it not a period of two times?

If so, isn't Obama on his last turn ?

What do I know.

Markus

[Platapus]

OK I'm an outsider, are there not some laws about how many times a person can be a President in your country ? is it not a period of two times?

If so, isn't Obama on his last turn ?

What do I know.

Markus

Yes you are correct. A person can only be elected to two terms for president
Obama will not be able to run in the next election. My joke was declaring that I would not vote for a person who would not be on the ballot.

I can understand how my lame joke could be confusing. :)

[u1950]

Vote Yes! On No!

[Sailor Steve]

I see the magic deletion fairy is at it again.
Whassamatter Steve
Are you upset about nonsense being pointed out and you not being able to infract for it without looking silly?
You'll have to look somewhere else. I have never, ever deleted one of your posts. I'm actually sorry it's gone, otherwise everyone could see how how once again without contributing anything to the disussion you just openly attacked another member.

But no, it wasn't me.

[Armistead]

OK I'm an outsider, are there not some laws about how many times a person can be a President in your country ? is it not a period of two times?

If so, isn't Obama on his last turn ?

What do I know.

Markus

Many Americans feel Obama will create a crisis to inflict martial law. They're many liberal types that would love to see this and set him up as emperor. It's clear Obama hates America and the constitution and did say he would forever change America.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/barack-obamas-coming-martial-law/

[Armistead]

You mean a few nuts believe it.
The same sort of people who go on about Fema death camps chemtrails and mysterious UN/NWO black helicopters hovering around to sieze your guns and make you all atheists or muslims.



Can you point out any?


Now you are talking crazy.


Wow , that's a real loony site.
Farah is one of those birther nuts isn't he


Obama has clearly upset the balance of powers with his overplay of executive orders and intended use. This could be the new future of coming presidents, unless Obama does become our emperor as the left would like.

While it was nice to see Obama take a Christian biblical approach for once with his immigration speech, he certainly has been Muslim friendly and his past family history is a mix of communism and Islam...

I don't think anyone can doubt Obama and Michelle hate America. Michelle certainly wasn't proud of America until they elected her husband.

Gwyneth Paltrow, a nut that would love to bow before Emperor Obama for starters....

[Armistead]

and more disgusting, Obama sent 3 WH officials to Brown's funeral without considering the facts or future. Here, Brown, a thug, robber, juvi crimina and from all evidence tried to kill a police officer gets the White House red carpet. He doesn't do this for our most decorated vets that actually served our nation. What a disgrace he is to America....It's clear he hates what America is...

[Mr Quatro]

I see the ping pong ball paddle, but where is the ping pong ball?

Bilge Rat starts a thread with all caps just to stir things up on a cold snowy day and then leaves. Two post and no ping pong ball. :oops:

"Full Definition of PONG: to make a hollow ringing sound"

[Armistead]

I didn't say the number, but the intent when executive orders have been used in the past, thus he is faced with numerous lawsuits. "Constitutionality is what matters, not quantity." Sure you've seen the 20 plus times Obumer stated in the past that he couldn't bypass congress on issues he is now doing so. He's acting a dictator and will be dealt with by the courts...

Here's the difference

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/04/Ruth-Marcus-Obama-Executive-Order

To clarify, Obama hates white America and wants to redefine our traditions, laws and culture. As stated, you can see that in how they treat a thug like Brown over decorated vets...

You asked for a name and got one.....and several more her type think the same way. No big deal, Obumer shows up when she fund raises for him...that should tell us something on his long term plans...

[AndyJWest]

To clarify, Obama hates white America and wants to redefine our traditions, laws and culture...

If it is really 'white America' that makes the law, I'd have to suggest that hating it might well be merited. Isn't the U.S. supposed to be a democracy, where everyone gets a say, regardless of the colour of their skin?

[Rilder]

unless Obama does become our emperor as the left would like.

family history is a mix of communism

As an actual Leftist, please stop insisting that a Right Wing Imperialist Capitalist has ANYTHING to do with the left.

He is not trying to give democratic control of the means of production nor is he trying to create a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society, he's a democrat, democrats are still supporters of capitalism and the class interests of the rich bourgeoisie.

There is only like one politician (That as actually gotten elected somewhere) that I know of in the entirety of the U.S. that can be considered leftist and that is a councilwoman in Seattle. (Kshama Sawant)

Just because some politician is two degrees more towards centrism than you want, does not make him an arch-leftist.

[Armistead]

If it is really 'white America' that makes the law, I'd have to suggest that hating it might well be merited. Isn't the U.S. supposed to be a democracy, where everyone gets a say, regardless of the colour of their skin?


That's the problem, we came a long way from racism and now that's the card leftist play constantly. It's not about character, but color or class. If you're rich, you should give your hard earned money to someone that doesn't work. All we've heard in Ferguson is race and numerous comments from leaders the white cop better be found guilty or else.....as they celebrate the life of a thug.. What happened to the dream, to be judged on character and not skin color? The left is all about division....

[Armistead]

Now you are talking absolute crap.
Why do you hate America?

I must say I have noticed you posting lots of extreme right fringe(even by American standards) publications recently. does that explain your drift into crazy conspiracy theories.

So you have gone from "many" to a single airhead and an unspecified "several more of her type".
Does that constitute many? Or is your conspiracy theory blowing itself out of the water as you try to flesh it out.


So you give an opinion piece by a failed republican politician on a fringe conservative website.
Well that's clearly a balanced and objective take.

Counter the conspiracy with facts. It's plainly clear Obumer is using executive power beyond past presidents. Heck, he clearly said so himself over 20 times in the past that he couldn't constitutionally do what he is now doing....But as usual, you have no facts, just your usual rants.:wah:

You said name one person and when I give you a name, you cry foul and call them an airhead....YES, an airhead that Obumer gladly shows up at her fund raising events....that should tell you something, two airheads standing hand in hand....

I await your apology!

[Armistead]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqqIrn32WE

[AndyJWest]

That's the problem, we came a long way from racism and now that's the card leftist play constantly. It's not about character, but color or class. If you're rich, you should give your hard earned money to someone that doesn't work. All we've heard in Ferguson is race and numerous comments from leaders the white cop better be found guilty or else.....as they celebrate the life of a thug.. What happened to the dream, to be judged on character and not skin color? The left is all about division....

It was you that wrote about white law, not 'leftists'.

[AndyJWest]

Obumer

Is that really the level of your arguments?

[AndyJWest]

As an actual Leftist, please stop insisting that a Right Wing Imperialist Capitalist has ANYTHING to do with the left.

He is not trying to give democratic control of the means of production nor is he trying to create a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society, he's a democrat, democrats are still supporters of capitalism and the class interests of the rich bourgeoisie.

There is only like one politician (That as actually gotten elected somewhere) that I know of in the entirety of the U.S. that can be considered leftist and that is a councilwoman in Seattle. (Kshama Sawant)

Just because some politician is two degrees more towards centrism than you want, does not make him an arch-leftist.

Yup. On many issues, Obama is to the right of Richard Nixon.

[Armistead]

Is that really the level of your arguments?

I've been clear with my argument about Obumer. More than that, he's been clear, stating over 25 times he didn't have the constitutional power to do what he's doing now. You guys aren't arguing with me, you're arguing with Obumer himself....funny position to be in, huh?

Not to mention, his Obumercare program was created by a man that said the American people were stupid. I assume he was talking about those that voted for Obumer and Obumercare.....

[AndyJWest]

Armistead, do you actually think that misspelling Obama's name does anything for your case except making everything you say look infantile?

[Buddahaid]

Now you are talking absolute crap.
Why do you hate America?

I must say I have noticed you posting lots of extreme right fringe(even by American standards) publications recently. does that explain your drift into crazy conspiracy theories.

So you have gone from "many" to a single airhead and an unspecified "several more of her type".
Does that constitute many? Or is your conspiracy theory blowing itself out of the water as you try to flesh it out.


So you give an opinion piece by a failed republican politician on a fringe conservative website.
Well that's clearly a balanced and objective take.

i Have to side with Tribs here. What.....?

[Armistead]

Armistead, do you actually think that misspelling Obama's name does anything for your case except making everything you say look infantile?


Forgive me, but with Tribe, his arguments are so stupid, I try to argue at that level with him......

[Tchocky]

Armistead, consider backing up what you're saying.

Otherwise you're going to continue looking really stupid.

Saying that you're acting stupid because you think Tribesman is also stupid....for God's sake.


I know it's GT but we don't have to behave like six-year-olds.

[Wolferz]

Because this whole mess is pointless.:hmmm:

[Bilge_Rat]

There is only like one politician (That as actually gotten elected somewhere) that I know of in the entirety of the U.S. that can be considered leftist and that is a councilwoman in Seattle. (Kshama Sawant)
.

what about Bernie Sanders? independent Senator from Vermont.

[Armistead]

Armistead, consider backing up what you're saying.

Otherwise you're going to continue looking really stupid.

Saying that you're acting stupid because you think Tribesman is also stupid....for God's sake.


I know it's GT but we don't have to behave like six-year-olds.


Sometimes you have to act like a 6 year old having a tantrum to get on the proper level to communicate......:D

Really, it was such obvious stupidity and silliness I thought everyone would see through it, cept maybe Tribesman that does nothing but insult people....and I so love his long replies...

[Jimbuna]

Beginning to look like this thread has gone the way of so many others of a similar theme as in the past, so if name calling, insults etc. etc. continue, the next tantrum will probably be mine but that will be the final tantrum on this thread.

[Tango589]

People not getting all foamy jowled in outrage and tearing each other to shreds in bouts of righteous indignation?

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm260/tango589/gasp.gif

WHAT'S HAPPENING? I THINK WE SHOULD BE TOLD!

Edit: Never mind, it's happened again.:shifty:

[Oberon]

http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/uploads/monthly_08_2014/post-37726-0-68203100-1409245487.gif

I've got to just put this here, for our friends who believe in the tyrannical Obama using all his executive orders:

Franklin D. Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt) 3,522
Woodrow Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson) 1,803
Calvin Coolidge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge) 1,203
Theodore Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt) 1,081
Herbert Hoover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover) 968
Harry S. Truman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman) 907
William Howard Taft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howard_Taft) 724
Warren G. Harding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding) 522
Dwight D. Eisenhower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower) 484
Ronald Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) 381
Bill Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) 364
Richard Nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon) 346
Lyndon B. Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson) 325
Jimmy Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter) 320
George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) 291
Ulysses S. Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant) 217
John F. Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy) 214
Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama) (as of 2014-11-21) 194
William McKinley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley) 185
Gerald R. Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford) 169
George H.W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H.W._Bush) 166
Benjamin Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison) 143
Grover Cleveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland) (second term) 140
Grover Cleveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland) (first term) 113
Chester Arthur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Arthur) 96
Rutherford B. Hayes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_B._Hayes) 92
Andrew Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson) 79
Abraham Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln) 48
Franklin Pierce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Pierce) 35
James K. Polk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Polk) 18
John Tyler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyler) 17
James Buchanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan) 16
Andrew Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson) 12
Millard Fillmore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millard_Fillmore) 12
Martin van Buren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Buren) 10
George Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington) 8
James Garfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Garfield) 6
Zachary Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Taylor) 5
Thomas Jefferson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson) 4
John Quincy Adams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Quincy_Adams) 3
John Adams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams) 1
James Madison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison) 1
James Monroe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Monroe) 1
William Henry Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Harrison) 0


Have a nice day. :yeah:

[Rockstar]

Ya know if the president acted in an illegal manner. Don't you think someone would atleast press charges or arrest the self proclaimed emperor? Wait he never claimed to be emperor, the other party accused him of that. Anyway, as it is all we hear is talk and no action, there's no action at all. Some may not like what he has done but it was done within the bounds of the constitution and laws of the land.

Oh sure, there may be some action in the form of law suits galore. But it doesn't have jack squat to do with if it was legal or illegal, it's a show, how both partis make money and get voters.

[Betonov]

You think your constitution is being destroyed ???

Our former PM and current MP was declared fit for MP duty by the constitutional court, despite him being convicted for 2 years imprisonment for bribery and corruption. the law states anyone convicted of prison time above 6 months must relieve himself of a member of parliament status.

You're amateurs

[Rilder]

Personally I have nothing against destroying the constitution, in fact I'd make it a semi-regular thing to go through a complete revision, as Jefferson put it:

"Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be, indeed, if every form of government were so perfectly contrived, that the will of the majority could always be obtained, fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves; their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils, bribery corrupts them, personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents; and other impediments arise, so as to prove to every practical man, that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:459

[ikalugin]

Someone said Emperor?
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I do find it amusing how right wing US is, when compared to Europe or Russia. So when fairly common measures (such as public health care) are introduced - it brings the reaction of protest in the US.

Note - Russia did try the non regulated market economy in the 90s, with rampant privatisation and other things. But in the end we went the same way Europeans did - the regulated market economy (though it our case we have a lot of state owned corporations, who are often get a monopoly in their sector, even if a technical one).

[Sailor Steve]

Personally I have nothing against destroying the constitution, in fact I'd make it a semi-regular thing to go through a complete revision, as Jefferson put it:
While I'm a huge admirer of Jefferson, I feel that on this one he missed one salient point. His position was based on the assumption that since it takes twenty years for a new generation to come of age, that is the time limit on laws made by the previous generation for themselves. What he missed is the fact that a different "generation" is coming of age every year. While his generation was in their forties when they wrote the Constitution, some of the Founders were in fact a generation or (in Franklin's case) two older than that, while the following generation were already adults in their twenties. Identifying with a specific generation is fine for cultural definition ("the '60s", "the '90s", "Gen-X") a government needs some kind of ongoing stability. As long as the original still works there's no need to replace it.

[Catfish]

Jefferson was for sure a great man in a lot of aspects, along with Mr. Washington and countless others of the time.

But those times have changed. The world is another place today, with the perfidiousness of modern politics, and the US more a kind of empire, with wars, torture, invading other countries, having worldwide interests and influence of power; what do you think Jefferson would have thought of that ?

I think he would have called that the destroying of the constitution; and not letting people come to America.
(Did you know b.t.w. that you did not even need a passport, if <ou wanted to emigrate to any other country before WW1 ?)

And why do you think people from e.g. Mexico come to the US. Anyone heard about TTIP, about Monsanto, and other companies ?
There are a lot of agrar exports, from the US to Mexico. The dumping prices destroy the local agrar industry, the world hunger ist home-made. And the now unemployed people look for their outcome elsewhere, and guess where they will try to find that.

Same in the EU of course, and whenever i hear "patriotic" people talking about illegal aliens and foreign infiltration i don't know whether i should laugh or vomit. Because no one today can claim, that he does not have access to the information the whole hubbub is really about. Just laziness, and bad education.

And then to read someone like Obama would "hate America" is so absolutely ridiculous... :yep:

[Dread Knot]

So, has the Constitution been shredded yet? I'm here to pick up the recycling.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images03/25/da75b7c0f147465bb610f55a5621b5e4/300x300.jpg

[mapuc]

Friends this "inflict martial law" by President-<insert name> have been on almost every President.

When I read a response to my question where this was mentioned I remembered a post on a forum where some person warn his fellow American against Bush cause he want to inflict martial law.

Don't know if I should laugh or cry-of sadness that there are such type of people breathing the same air as I do.

Otherwise I have no standpoint to the thread.

Markus

[Dread Knot]

Friends this "inflict martial law" by President-<insert name> have been on almost every President.

When I read a response to my question where this was mentioned I remembered a post on a forum where some person warn his fellow American against Bush cause he want to inflict martial law.

Don't know if I should laugh or cry-of sadness that there are such type of people breathing the same air as I do.

Otherwise I have no standpoint to the thread.

Markus

Frankly, I don't think there has been a US President since I became politically aware, that some fringe element claimed wasn't going to usurp the Constitution and make himself dictator, grand poobah or president for life.

The internet has given them a much large megaphone for their street corner rantingz though.

[ikalugin]

By the way, is US still moving towards Isolationism?

[Dread Knot]

By the way, is US still moving towards Isolationism?


The United States cannot exist in isolation. We are part of the world. We depend on other countries for raw materials, goods, and for markets for our products and services. Other countries depend on us.

We are both in and of the world. We would suffer if we tried to deny that. It's a false dichotomy anyway that either the US completely dominates the globe, or has to withdraw from it completely. There are plenty of shades of grey in between.

[Sailor Steve]

Frankly, I don't think there has been a US President since I became politically aware, that some fringe element claimed wasn't going to usurp the Constitution and make himself dictator, grand poobah or president for life.

The internet has given them a much large megaphone for their street corner rantingz though.
Not just since you, or I, became politically aware. Newspapers opposing George Washington made the same claims against him, prompting his famous quote: "I had rather be in my grave than in my present situation, I had rather be on my farm than be emperor of the world; and yet they charge me with wanting to be a king."

[Tango589]

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm260/tango589/politics.jpg

[Rilder]

You can discuss politics rationally, it just requires the people discussing them to be in general agreement. :O:

[Armistead]

Not just since you, or I, became politically aware. Newspapers opposing George Washington made the same claims against him, prompting his famous quote: "I had rather be in my grave than in my present situation, I had rather be on my farm than be emperor of the world; and yet they charge me with wanting to be a king."

Considering all the fear early on a president would set himself up as dictator, rather amazing we gave one man so much power...

[Cybermat47]

I wonder if having books thrown in my face would be more pleasurable than taking part in one of these threads?

https://38.media.tumblr.com/b5eb6c15a6c7f1d0ec1ce4d958c331f3/tumblr_ndjp4qBths1rydwbvo1_500.gif

[nikimcbee]

https://screen.yahoo.com/capital-hill-cold-open-074234364.html

[Aktungbby]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/81_15658120141121110534.jpg (http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2014/11/21/125151)http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb_c12509920141121120100.jpg (http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2014/11/21/125068)

[Jeff-Groves]

Just to show I'm not indifferent to this thread.
I've switched from popcorn to Vanilla Frosting Combos.
Carry on.
:D

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/3FStXqr.jpg?1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders