Falklands War 2?

[Jimbuna]

I don't think so.

The Argentine economy is in a much worse state than ours so I should think any seller would be wanting cash in advance.

Argentina’s announcement that it plans to acquire 24 Saab Gripen fighter-bombers caused scarcely a ripple in the headlines last week, and so far has produced no reaction from Whitehall.


http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/61045/falklands-war-2-argentina-s-new-fighters-a-serious-threat

[Oberon]

I did ponder exactly what Argentina was going to use to buy these aircraft...then again, I pondered the same thing about us and those F-35s... :har:

[Dread Knot]

Maybe they're desperate to make some sort of statement the time remaining before the new carrier Queen Elizabeth is operational?

Sees like sabre-rattling and nothing more - the Argentinians have nothing to gain from any use of force. It would isolate them even more internationally and financially and if they were successful at invading and occupying the islands they wouldn't gain access to any (potential) off-shore oil in anything like the short to mid-term.

[Betonov]

I did ponder exactly what Argentina was going to use to buy these aircraft...then again, I pondered the same thing about us and those F-35s... :har:

What ??
You already own F-35s

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I ''saw'' one in York :)

[Jimbuna]

Pinched this comment from another forum....I liked it :)

Every so often a story pops up about the Argies buying some wonderful bit of kit that imperils the Falklands, and what happens? Nothing, because they are skint and spending money on the armed forces only seems to encourage the generals to want to run the country - so another reason to keep them on a tight lead.

Last time out the Spanish were alleged to be flogging them Mirages, before that the Israelis - both times nothing - Argentina is a strictly 'cash only' sales area.

Four Typhoons with 8 A/A missiles each and IAD? Goodbye first wave of attackers, by wave 3 the pilot vacancies in the FAA and Navy are astronomical and RAF pilots have time for tea and (South Atlantic) medals while a Squadron of the buggers has flown down via Asi to join the turkey-shoot

Of course they could send in the Ninja Suicide Penguins......but our Rockhoppers are nails

[Jimbuna]

What ??
You already own F-35s

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I ''saw'' one in York :)

:har:

Indeed we did :)

http://s23.postimg.org/iek731pmz/IMG_4235.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/jtlrrrqpz/full/)

[Tchocky]

All depends on the next Top Gear, I'd say.

[Skybird]

The Gripen by no means is a bad plane, it really is not.

If the Argentinians show intent to acquire any means to secure a naval transport capacity that in any way could defeat a subsim menace from Britian, or their airmobile capacity would be evaluated by Britian to be capable enough to shuttle decisive combat force to the islands if the few Typhoons there (how many were it? 4?) got neutralised - then it is time to start worrying. I take it for granted that these days Britain does not have the military capacity anymore, the money and the will, to re-conquer the Falklands once again in case of Argentina or a Southamerican alliance managing to seize them and gain control of them.

Notoriously needing to invest one submarine's presence there, strategically is a costly affair in times of a significantly shrunk fleet. That sub cannot be at another location if it is at the Falklands, and not too many submarines are left in the fleet. The very longterm future of the Falklands maybe is not as certain as Britons today think. And the Americans will not lend a hand over those islands.

[Oberon]

That's the beautiful thing about a submarine, you don't know where it is until it surfaces.
HMS Astute might be sitting off the Falklands, or it might not, no-one other than Whitehall is going to know that...and I don't think the Argentinian secret service is that entrenched in Westminster. :hmmm:

[Betonov]

I think the Astute should surface somewhere near the Falklands, go BOOGA BOOGA, dive and head home. The search costs after that should tank the Argentine economy

[Oberon]

I think the Astute should surface somewhere near the Falklands, go BOOGA BOOGA, dive and head home. The search costs after that should tank the Argentine economy

:har::har:

Makes a change after Falklands war when we spent most of our time running around after their submarines. :haha:

[nikimcbee]

Just do what I said before, send Steed down there with his war cricket bat and a bottle of whiskey. Dress him up like a Scottish warrior....

Tell him if he can't hold the island he will have a new life partner with the family name of Cameron.:03:

I don't think Argentina will threaten you again.:/\\k:

[vanjast]

And the Americans will not lend a hand over those islands.
Remember this.. after they 'forced' you to join them in the middle east :hmmm:
I'm sure the spy planes/NSA might help... but I don't see any major US deployments.

The Gippen, at those ranges, are not much better than the Mirages they were using in War-1.
The Brits should just get a few older cheap, carrier adapted, Mig29 Fulcrums ... these will kick the Grippens ass big time. The fulcrums are better than the Grippen with electronic warfare equipment and it's sooooo much more maneuverable in close DF combat.

The world has yet to beat the old Fulcrum... :up:

[nikimcbee]

I think the Astute should surface somewhere near the Falklands, go BOOGA BOOGA, dive and head home. The search costs after that should tank the Argentine economy

Bonus if they fly a pirate flag.:arrgh!:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Before this thread goes much further I'd like to remind the viewers that we do have a few Argentinian's on these boards, all (that I've communicated with) seem against further conflict no matter what their thoughts are on the disputed lands, and all are very nice people.

Carry on peeps.

[nikimcbee]

Before this thread goes much further I'd like to remind the viewers that we do have a few Argentinian's on these boards, all (that I've communicated with) seem against further conflict no matter what their thoughts are on the disputed lands, and all are very nice people.

Carry on peeps.

But we can still send Steed, right?:hmmm:

[vanjast]

Before this thread goes much further I'd like to remind the viewers that we do have a few Argentinian's on these boards, all (that I've communicated with) seem against further conflict no matter what their thoughts are on the disputed lands, and all are very nice people.

Difficult if your Gov is getting aggressive, and talking BS to the world.
I get the same crap from EU coz I'm a white ZA.. Oh you're racist coz you're a white ZA.
A little reminder would be What are the current racist and sexist laws in the ZA law books.. YUP.. have a look? :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Wouldn't Argentina want long endurance planes if they were to attempt resting the islands? I mean grippens make batter sense and air defense planes.

[Jimbuna]

Bonus if they fly a pirate flag.:arrgh!:

Wouldn't want the flag bit...we all know what that means.

http://s27.postimg.org/k7avuhrsz/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

I don't think the Argentine economy at present could fund or even equip a military intervention nor do I believe the UK have the means to reinforce the islands at short notice. They do however have sufficient means on the islands to hold out till assets are brought to bear.

Most importantly, neither side wants to turn to armed aggression so the only way forward is a diplomatic one but that won't be easy when you consider the wishes of the islands inhabitants.

The article in the OP IMHO was nothing short of an attempt at sensational scaremongering.

[Oberon]

Jims got it on the head, the sheep and penguins on the Falkvinas are not going to lose any sleep over it, it's just another part of the old razzle dazzle that is the diplomatic wrangling over the islands, same as Spain and Gibraltar.
Nowt will come of it, not now, not in a decade, beyond that is anyones best guess.

[ikalugin]

Says military budget of 1 percent and 5 billion. So if they were to expand their defence spending to 5 percent of GDP, and spending 20 billion of that on straight up arms procurement every year, they could get in a year (provided for instant production ofc):
- 200 Su30 series (50m a piece, 100m for two, 1b for 20, 10b for 200).
- 30 Improved Kilo class submarines.

:o:o:o

I am horrified.

[Oberon]

if they were to expand their defence spending to 5 percent of GDP

Then Buenos Aires would probably look like this:

http://www.usagold.com/images/weimarplay.jpg

[ikalugin]

Well then you could double it over the course of next 4 years and get the same amount of gear. Which is still horrifying.

[Oberon]

Well then you could double it over the course of next 4 years and get the same amount of gear. Which is still horrifying.

If anyone would sell it to you because your economy would have tanked even more than previously thought possible, and then you'd probably have been overthrown by a military junta who despite the promise of new guns, have realised that they actually can't afford them without turning into Weimar Germany and have decided to remove the person who has made the silly decision to up defense spending to a level higher than most western nations spend on their military.

[ikalugin]

Raising military budget to 2 percent of the GDP is not all that bad. And even 1 year of such allows them to have 50 flankers and 6-8 Improved Kilos.

Which is still decent.

And military Junta would probably love those arms anyway.

[STEED]

Now now jim, you of all people should know the 2nd war has been cancelled due to you mate Cameron. :O:

[Oberon]

Raising military budget to 2 percent of the GDP is not all that bad. And even 1 year of such allows them to have 50 flankers and 6-8 Improved Kilos.

Which is still decent.

And military Junta would probably love those arms anyway.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Argentina

[ikalugin]

http://data.worldbank.org/country/argentina
Says 611 billion GDP in 2013.

One percent of this (a very small budget for arms procurement in my opinion) is 6 billion USD, thus they should be more than capable of supporting a 5 year long 20 billion program. Even Chilie spends more on defense than that.

[Betonov]

It also has a 7% unemployment level and a 30% of people below poverty line, a budget deficit, 45% of public dept and a 20% inflation and if the working Juan finds out that 6 billions are being used in military and not fixing the economy he will become a rioting Juan or worse, voting for someone else.


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ar.html

[ikalugin]

Well, ok. But I don't think it works that way in non democratic countries, as you can't vote for the other party. As there is no other party with Junta.

[Oberon]

Well, ok. But I don't think it works that way in non democratic countries, as you can't vote for the other party. As there is no other party with Junta.

Argentina stopped having a Junta in 1983... :hmmm:

[Betonov]

Argentina stopped having a Junta in 1983... :hmmm:

When working Juan went rioting Juan

[Schroeder]

http://data.worldbank.org/country/argentina
Says 611 billion GDP in 2013.

One percent of this (a very small budget for arms procurement in my opinion) is 6 billion USD, thus they should be more than capable of supporting a 5 year long 20 billion program. Even Chilie spends more on defense than that.
Are those 6 billion just for procurement or the overall military budget with which they have to support the already existing army as well? That would greatly reduce the funds for new weapons.

[Skybird]

Are those 6 billion just for procurement or the overall military budget with which they have to support the already existing army as well? That would greatly reduce the funds for new weapons.
Simply not paying their debts back as Kirchner intends not to do, would open new financial possibilities. :D Or expropriating some foreign enterprise again and nationalize it.

[Jimbuna]

Nothing typifies the decline in the Argentine militey to me than this sad situation...

The Holy Trinity, a warship used to land the first Argentine forces in the Falklands War with Britain in 1982, has sunk, the navy said.

http://xbradtc.com/2013/01/23/falklands-warship-sinks-in-argentina/

http://s22.postimg.org/w09sn5xcx/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[STEED]

All we have to do is send in Hudson. :03:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48

[Betonov]

And lets not forget the Pope.
If Holy Frank says no to war, half the soldiers are going to call it quits before they even embark the transports.