Ebola makes an unannounced stop in Texas [Archive]

Aktungbby

09-30-14, 09:01 PM

Nothing new here perhaps:hmmm:: 430, 429, and 427 BC-the Peloponnesian War: .."Thucydides writes of a disease coming from Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia) and passing through Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) and Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya) into the Greek world—a plague so severe and deadly that no one could recall anywhere its like, and physicians ignorant of its nature not only were helpless but themselves died the fastest, since they had the most contact with the sick. In overcrowded Athens the disease killed an estimated one third to two thirds of the population. The sight of the burning funeral pyres of Athens caused the Spartans to withdraw, their troops being unwilling to risk contact with the diseased enemy. Many of Athens' infantry and expert seamen died as well as their general Pericles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericles). After the death of Pericles, Athens was led by a succession of leaders Thucydides described as incompetent or weak. "Historians have long tried to identify the disease behind the Plague of Athens. The disease has traditionally been considered an outbreak of the bubonic plague (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_plague) in its many forms, but reconsiderations of the reported symptoms and epidemiology have led scholars to advance alternative explanations. These include typhus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus), smallpox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox), measles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles), and toxic shock syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_shock_syndrome). Others have suggested anthrax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax), tramped up from the soil by the thousands of stressed refugees or concentrated livestock held within the walls. Based upon striking descriptive similarities with recent outbreaks in Africa, as well as the fact that the Athenian plague itself apparently came from Africa (as Thucydides recorded), Ebola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola) or a related Viral Hemorrhagic Fever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_Hemorrhagic_Fever) has been considered....
Thucydides' narrative pointedly refers to increased risk among caregivers, which is more typical of the person-to-person contact spread of viral hemorrhagic fever (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_hemorrhagic_fever) (e.g., Ebola virus disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease) or Marburg virus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus)) than typhus or typhoid. Unusual in the history of plagues during military operations, especially when relatively close physical proximity of combatants was the rule, besieging Spartan troops appear not to have been afflicted by the illness raging near them within the city. Thucydides' description further invites comparison with VHF in the character and sequence of symptoms developed and of the usual fatal outcome on about the eighth day. Olson et al. have interpreted Thucydides' "lugx kenē" (empty heaving) as the unusual symptom of hiccups, which is now recognized as a common finding in Ebola Virus Disease. Outbreaks of VHF in Africa in 2012 and 2014 reinforced observations of the increased hazard to caregivers and the necessity of barrier precautions for preventing disease spread related to grief rituals and funerary rites. With an up to three-week incubation period, transmission of Ebola via Nile commerce into the busy port of Piraeus is certainly plausible. Ancient Greek intimacy with African sources is reflected in accurate renditions of monkeys in art of frescoes and pottery, notably guenons, the primates implicated in transmitting Marburg into Germany and Yugoslavia when that disease was first characterized in 1967. Circumstantially tantalizing is the requirement for the large quantity of ivory used in the Athenian sculptor Phidias’ two monumental ivory and gold statues of Athena and of Zeus (one of the Seven Wonders), which were fabricated in the same decade. Never again in antiquity was ivory used on such a large scale.
Unfortunately DNA sequence-based identification is limited by the inability of some important pathogens to leave a "footprint" retrievable from archaeological remains after several millennia. The lack of a durable signature by RNA viruses means some etiologies, notably the Viral Hemorrhagic Fever viruses, are not testable hypotheses using currently available scientific techniques." Bottom line: Thucydides is seldom inaccurate; this plague cost Athens the Peloponnesian War against Sparta. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Athens)

Admiral Halsey

09-30-14, 09:02 PM

http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/We+re+all+going+to+die+now+what+have+you+done+_96d a7b09fe83104d961b6995a77e41d1.gif

Dread Knot

09-30-14, 09:14 PM

http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/We+re+all+going+to+die+now+what+have+you+done+_96d a7b09fe83104d961b6995a77e41d1.gif

No. No panicking. Not until Glenn Beck tells us to. :D

Oberon

09-30-14, 09:18 PM

BUY ALL GOLD!

Kptlt. Neuerburg

09-30-14, 09:20 PM

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj529/zacharybaty/jones_dontpanic_11_zps2df1cf92.jpg

Oberon

09-30-14, 09:28 PM

http://i.imgur.com/K8emk1d.jpg

Dread Knot

09-30-14, 09:35 PM

Humanity is doomed. Time to live underground, time travel and join the Army of the Twelve Monkeys. And no, Bruce Willis can't save you. He just runs around naked a lot.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/12monk_01.jpg

Oberon

09-30-14, 09:41 PM

"And what's so bad about living underground, eh? Not been so great living up here if you want my opinion!"

http://mazsola.iit.uni-miskolc.hu/~drdani/cdlist/war_6.gif

Dread Knot

09-30-14, 09:48 PM

"Yes, you should see it down there. Hundreds of miles of drains. Sweet and clean now after the rains." :03:

Jimbuna

10-01-14, 06:45 AM

http://s3.postimg.org/zfx0yt85v/image.png (http://postimage.org/)

Rockstar

10-01-14, 07:28 AM

DON'T PANIC, FEEL THE ALOHA BRA' :D
http://d1nt4a7y8dwdsx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/obama_joint.jpg

Skybird

10-01-14, 07:31 AM

In Atlanta, people are seen to stand in line at the CDC to get the vial with the cure.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mq7hUQgWI_E/maxresdefault.jpg

Jimbuna

10-01-14, 08:42 AM

Ah, World War Z.

Admiral Halsey

10-01-14, 08:45 AM

Ah, World War Z.

Wouldn't it be World War E?

Feuer Frei!

10-01-14, 08:53 AM

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fb2/video/876/493/100114_fb_manny.JPG?ve=1&tl=1

Much better picture.

Jimbuna

10-01-14, 08:58 AM

Wouldn't it be World War E?

In the US possibly but that picture still is in Israel :03:

Rockstar

10-01-14, 11:00 AM

That was quick, second person possibly infected with Ebola being monitored in Dallas.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649/

Play a tune for us boys, she's going down. :salute:
Songe d'Automne (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g73kOrhAai4)

STEED

10-01-14, 11:12 AM

Speculative traders will make a killing, no pun intended.

Oberon

10-01-14, 12:06 PM

http://images3.cliqueclack.com/tv/files/2012/03/Dale-is-killed-rev.jpg

STEED

10-01-14, 12:19 PM

I see your on the ball today Oberon. :03:

Oberon

10-01-14, 12:26 PM

I see your on the ball today Oberon. :03:

Just a...gut feeling, shall we say? :03: :O:

STEED

10-01-14, 12:27 PM

:har: :up:

Wolferz

10-01-14, 04:35 PM

The bleeding is a dead give away.:dead::up:

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Oberon

10-02-14, 06:01 AM

Naturally, the right-wing sites have thought about the transmission of Ebola carefully and done plenty of research about its spread before spreading their opinion on Barack HUSSEIN!!!!111oneone Obama:

http://www.redstate.com/2014/10/02/barack-obama-bans-flights-to-israel-but-not-flights-from-ebola-affected-countries/

http://d1w7nqlfxfj094.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/obama-mashed-potatoes.jpg

Skybird

10-02-14, 06:07 AM

Honestly, I wonder why air and ship travel to the places in Africa where Ebola is out of control, have not been subject to limitations and bans.

Oberon

10-02-14, 06:33 AM

Honestly, I wonder why air and ship travel to the places in Africa where Ebola is out of control, have not been subject to limitations and bans.

I guess we've been depending on peoples common sense not to smear the bodily fluids of Ebola inflected over themselves... :hmmm: We've also been relying on them to wash their hands and conduct basic hygiene. :hmmm:

Rockstar

10-02-14, 06:40 AM

Honestly, I wonder why air and ship travel to the places in Africa where Ebola is out of control, have not been subject to limitations and bans.

Not sure if closing boarders would actually do any good. Especially for the countries that are suffering from Ebola outbreaks. Their economy would suffer, needed supplies would stall, people will panic and the virus would still spread.

What happened in Dallas is certainly a wake-up call. But I'd bet ya dollars to donuts next time someone from Africa complains of having a fever. They will not be simply told "take two of these and call me in the morning". IMO I think the response to his illness was the problem not so much that he was allowed to travel.

Jimbuna

10-02-14, 06:48 AM

I guess we've been depending on peoples common sense not to smear the bodily fluids of Ebola inflected over themselves... :hmmm: We've also been relying on them to wash their hands and conduct basic hygiene. :hmmm:

Not for much longer I suspect.

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 06:49 AM

The flight path of the Dallas Ebola victim. The authorities seem confident that he was still in the pre-infectious stage of the disease during all this travelling.

I certainly hope so.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77954000/jpg/_77954788_77954787.jpg

Oberon

10-02-14, 07:53 AM

We'll know soon enough, Ebola is not the most intelligent of virii, it's a fast burner, and people are usually only infectious when they start displaying symptoms. It's not airbourne, and can be destroyed very easily through heating and cleaning fluids that are common in the west. So if he has spread it, it will be easy to contain providing people don't panic and they follow instructions.

In Africa, of course, it's a different story, cleaning fluids and disinfectants are scarce, burial practices involve contact with bodily fluids, and so it's not really a surprise that the outbreak has spread so dramatically. Unfortunately I expect it will continue to do so for some time, just as polio is rife in Syria at the moment.

Now, if this was something like Marburg or the 1918 flu outbreak then I'd be bricking it, but thankfully it isn't.

Skybird

10-02-14, 08:16 AM

I see no reason why no bans should be placed on flights by people whose travels are not in any way "vital". The man in the US - was described as tourist. Sorry, but vacancy in that area? Business managers could evade on video conferences. And so on.

Hell, in some Asian countries like Japan and Korea people are educated to wear masks in public when having something harmless like a flu.

If it becomes worse, one will need to do so anyway. Just that one will have done it too late then.

With the shift in climate regions and tropical conditions spreading to the North, these issues will become a growing concern.

Scientists of the Robert-Koch-Institut showed already 2013 animations of how a virus pandemic woudl spread via mass traffic, mainly by air, if taking several Western cities as a starting point. Problem is that the virus reaches areas far away much faster and earlier, than regions that are close to the place of first infection, a virus reaches from Frankfurt to London faster than it reaches to another region inside Germany, for example.

So traffic control is an inevitable measure when needing to fight a pandemic, especially air traffic.

The US government has ordered, all of a sudden, 150,000 units of biohazard protection gear for staff and personnel.

The risk with Ebola is that it could m utate, and could adapt better to human physiology, making it more infectous. the good news is that it is so lethal that it burns out quite fast. On the ground it kills the population of possible hosts faster than these hosts could reach out and carry it to new populations of hosts.

If only there would not be long distance travelling via airliners, and highspeed trains, and the individual car traffic in the developed world on well established roadnetworks making it easy to cover long distances in short time.

Due to the simulations by the Robert Koch Institut, it is safe to say that restricting air traffic should not be considered as a later measurement, but as one of the earliest options to go with.

There are animation videos of the study available on the web, for various American and European cities.

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 08:43 AM

Well, for anyone who is getting a bit spooked by all this news, I've got some light diversionary reading I can recommend. :)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p1IO2se12VI/SbCGX_u4arI/AAAAAAAADBA/XYnwl4S8NGs/s1600/stand2.jpg

Oberon

10-02-14, 08:54 AM

:haha: :up:

ikalugin

10-02-14, 09:20 AM

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 10:25 AM

I guess then that people who exit their house once in a month and use advanced water filtering are about as well protected from a mass epidemic as it gets.

p.s. I have calculated that to keep a yearly supply for a 5 man fammily in the form of army MRE type stuff (in Russia) it would cost onself around 120145 rubles 83 kopecs per month, not something I could afford with my pocket money :*( .

Could be a tad dull, but it sounds like it would work. Other than the possible risk of a vitamin D deficiency from being out of the sun for so long.

But there are ways around that. You don't even have to stand around a sunlamp anymore. :sunny: I'd take the loss of D over the threat of E anyday.

http://img1.cookinglight.timeinc.net/sites/default/files/image/2008/05/0805p44c-vitamin_d-m.jpg

Rockstar

10-02-14, 11:02 AM

TO THE CONGRESS of the United States:
In 1830 there were one billion people on the planet earth. By 1930 there were two billion, and by 1960 there were three billion. Today the world population is three and one-half billion persons.

These statistics illustrate the dramatically increasing rate of population growth. It took many thousands of years to produce the first billion people; the next billion took a century; the third came after thirty years; the fourth will be produced in just fifteen.

If this rate of population growth continues, it is likely that the earth will contain over seven billion human beings by the end of this century. Over the next thirty years, in other words, the world's population could double. And at the end of that time, each new addition of one billion persons would not come over the millennia nor over a century nor even over a decade. If present trends were to continue until the year 2000, the eighth billion would be added in only five years and each additional billion in an even shorter period.

While there are a variety of opinions as to precisely how fast population will grow in the coming decades, most informed observers have a similar response to all such projections. They agree that population growth is among the most important issues we face. They agree that it can be met only if there is a great deal of advance planning. And they agree that the time for such planning is growing very short. It is for all these reasons that I address myself to the population problem in this message, first to its international dimensions and then to its domestic implications.

National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM) 200
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf

Let the conspiracy theories BEGIN!

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 11:15 AM

National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM) 200
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf

Let the conspiracy theories BEGIN!

Somewhat ironic since the widespread belief in certain Western Africa countries that the disease itself is a made up conspiracy to tax them and control their movements is helping contribute to it's spread.

An unchecked Ebola pandemic is what will happen if all the crackpots get people to believe them - because you can bet on the crackpots, or the more vociferous of them, claiming sooner or later that Ebola does not exist and is really a government plot to poison you with an ostensible vaccine or remedy.

ikalugin

10-02-14, 11:35 AM

I think one of the better conspiracies is the one that relates the region's mineral wealth to the current ebola outbreak and the well known international efforts to weapon is ebola.

Which is quite amusing since I think US us the only nation that was openly developing a cure for it (ie it was working with ebola).

Rockstar

10-02-14, 11:36 AM

Somewhat ironic since the widespread belief in certain Western Africa countries that the disease itself is a made up conspiracy to tax them and control their movements is helping contribute to it's spread.

An unchecked Ebola pandemic is what will happen if all the crackpots get people to believe them - because you can bet on the crackpots, or the more vociferous of them, claiming sooner or later that Ebola does not exist and is really a government plot to poison you with an ostensible vaccine or remedy.

Ok this took me two minutes to dream up.
Though not even hinted at or mentioned as a means to lower global population, Ebola was 'discovered' shortly after NSSM 200 and the World Population Plan of Action were written. Ebola I suppose could be looked upon as a relatively quick killer (humane), also as a natural cause of death instead of man made 'showers'. It does appear to burn out on its own, unless new hosts are provided (Dallas, Belgium). And if the will to do so is there, it can be isolated and treated easily. Thats my conspiracy theory :woot:

Oberon

10-02-14, 11:37 AM

vienna

10-02-14, 12:02 PM

The news reports I've heard have noted the Ebola patient had gone to the Texas hospital Emergency Room (ER) and had been sent home with some antibiotics, even though he openly informed the attending medical staff he had just come from an Ebola stricken country. The failure of the ER staff to adequately take extra precautions is now being called into question. I am now wondering if the hospital/medical facility will be fined. There is a little known provision of the Affordable Care Act ("Obama Care") providing for fines for care facilities who inadequately treat ER patients in such a manner as to require the patient to return to the ER for further treatment (i.e., 'not getting it right the first time'). The purpose was two-fold: to prevent shoddy medical treatment and to reduce the number of ER visits thereby saving medical costs. This provision has already proven effective; some ERs are already reporting a significant decrease in return visits, and, in a number of cases, ERs have been able to reduce staff due to reduced need, saving the medical facilities money. I noticed the difference during my last ER visit (I suffer from chronic pancreatitis that sometimes flares up to very serious levels). The level of testing and care was far greater than I had experienced on a couple of previous visits and had the added advantage of confirming a condition my regular physician had been reluctant to entertain. If the Texas facility is not fined, I would consider that to be a serious mistake...

<O>

Oberon

10-02-14, 01:30 PM

But...but Obama care is bad! :O:

Seriously though, if this guy was sent home again then someones head needs to roll, if this was a more infectious disease then that would have increased the spread of it quite dramatically.

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 02:18 PM

As disturbing as it's sudden presence here in the U.S. is, I'd be just as spooked if Ebola reared it's head in one of those massive Syrian refugee camps, the Gaza Strip or on an African migrant boat attempting to land in Italy or Spain. :o Basically, anywhere where medical service is over stretched or non-existent.

However, in all probability, given the length of the journey and the conditions prevalent, it'd probably spread like wildfire around the migrant boat and be blatantly obvious to any European coast guard vessel.

ikalugin

10-02-14, 02:32 PM

Except that the whole point of those illegal imigration runs is to avoid the scutiny by the coastal guard/border control agencies.

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 02:39 PM

Except that the whole point of those illegal imigration runs is to avoid the scutiny by the coastal guard/border control agencies.

That thought does make a chill run up my spine.

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 03:05 PM

So Liberia is planning on prosecuting this individual.
Though in his defence maybe he didn't lie, after all pushing a wheelbarrow with an ebola victim in it could be viewed as not being in contact with an ebola victim as he would only be in contact with the wheelbarrow :nope:

In the midst of a serious and overwhelming epidemic it's good to see they have their priorities straight. :88)

mapuc

10-02-14, 03:24 PM

In the name of democracy we kill thousands....

Markus

Skybird

10-02-14, 03:41 PM

80 to 100 persons in the US now under monitoring.

Because of just one patient.

Do some math, and what you get is a logistical nightmare.

Oberon

10-02-14, 03:43 PM

80 to 100 persons in the US now under monitoring.

Because of just one patient.

Do some math, and what you get is a logistical nightmare.

Compared to the logistical nightmare in West Africa, it's peanuts, and peanuts with ample financial backing and healthcare to boot...providing the healthcare doesn't kick them back out again that is. :/\\!!

ikalugin

10-02-14, 03:49 PM

Now immagine what would happen if Ebola hits India.

Oberon

10-02-14, 04:13 PM

Now immagine what would happen if Ebola hits India.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d7/d7622d8c2c00a674f7db25cf22d6638da322dcc80325796ba0 6d3780450357ce.jpg

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 04:18 PM

Getting spooked now. Might be time for the LOL cat of death...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1432464640/h81D7FBF0/

Or maybe it's the BOC cat of death, I'm not sure.

vienna

10-02-14, 04:37 PM

Needs more cowbell...

<O>

Rockstar

10-02-14, 04:45 PM

80 to 100 persons in the US now under monitoring.

Because of just one patient.

Do some math, and what you get is a logistical nightmare.

80 to 100 infected by one patient who legally entered the country isn't too bad. But like everyone else we have many more coming in not so legally going who knows where afterwards.

Jeff-Groves

10-02-14, 05:42 PM

Am I in before someone starts screaming 'False Flag', 'FEMA is coming for us', and on and on?
:hmmm:

Oberon

10-02-14, 05:58 PM

Am I in before someone starts screaming 'False Flag', 'FEMA is coming for us', and on and on?
:hmmm:

Been a while since we've heard from Bubblehead1980 and Yubba, so sure, why not? :up: :haha:

ikalugin

10-02-14, 06:13 PM

By the way. While we are on it. Any zombie survival tips?

Rockstar

10-02-14, 06:18 PM

By the way. While we are on it. Any zombie survival tips?

Suggested reading can found for sale at Amazon.com

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Rockstar

10-02-14, 06:19 PM

Been a while since we've heard from Bubblehead1980 and Yubba, so sure, why not? :up: :haha:

They're in a FEMA camp doin' hard time.

mapuc

10-02-14, 06:22 PM

Been a while since we've heard from Bubblehead1980 and Yubba, so sure, why not? :up: :haha:

It not only our beloved friends that have ideas

Some days ago some Danish person, I think he was some kind of doctor, was being interviewed by the Danish TV.

The reporter asked him why it was short on nurses and doctors.

His answer:

Due to two reasons
1. Fear
2. On Internet and other places there are story going saying that it ain't Ebola, it is USA doing some undercover biological warfare testing.

Regarding number 2. I try to keep up with all these Conspiracy, this was however new to me. I haven't heard of that before.

Markus

Platapus

10-02-14, 06:34 PM

Humanity is doomed.

You write that as if it were a bad thing.

Dread Knot

10-02-14, 07:43 PM

.2. On Internet and other places there are story going saying that it ain't Ebola, it is USA doing some undercover biological warfare testing.

Regarding number 2. I try to keep up with all these Conspiracy, this was however new to me. I haven't heard of that before.

I have. Near as I can tell the expertise of people who are pushing this particular conspiracy theory in the relative field of retrovirsuses and pathogens seems to consist solely of the hours they spent playing Resident Evil 5.

You write that as if it were a bad thing.
Sorry. Actually the part about Bruce Willis running about naked in both 1916 and 1990 was meant to be the bad thing. :D

mapuc

10-02-14, 08:17 PM

I have. Near as I can tell the expertise of people who are pushing this particular conspiracy theory in the relative field of retrovirsuses and pathogens seems to consist solely of the hours they spent playing Resident Evil 5.

My reaction when I heard him saying about this USA-stuff " :nope: "

Hopefully our government have more brain and so do these nurses and doctors that are either on their way or already are there.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-02-14, 08:35 PM

em2nought

10-02-14, 08:45 PM

Am I in before someone starts screaming 'False Flag', 'FEMA is coming for us', and on and on?
:hmmm:

Hey, I already think "we" bombed ISIS refineries to up the price of gas. LOL

ikalugin

10-02-14, 09:02 PM

2. On Internet and other places there are story going saying that it ain't Ebola, it is USA doing some undercover biological warfare testing.

Regarding number 2. I try to keep up with all these Conspiracy, this was however new to me. I haven't heard of that before.

Markus
Well US did study the Ebola before.

0502 on my laptop's clock :( when it is 0602 mst. so strange, so deceptive.

August

10-02-14, 09:50 PM

Hey, I already think "we" bombed ISIS refineries to up the price of gas. LOL

If that was the intent it sure was a spectacular failure. The price of a barrel of oil slipped below $90 for awhile today on the Dow Jones. :yep:

Armistead

10-02-14, 10:12 PM

By the way. While we are on it. Any zombie survival tips?

Stay in your safe room......

Jeff-Groves

10-02-14, 10:18 PM

How long before Texas proclaims
"WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!"
:haha:

Armistead

10-02-14, 10:24 PM

Anybody catch Anderson Cooper talking to the lady friend that lived with the ebola man. Yes, I think we should be concerned if what she's saying is true about the CDC. The waste from the man still in the apt....people in the apt getting no real answers or help how to deal with this...

ikalugin

10-03-14, 05:47 AM

Stay in your safe room......
How about a fallout shelter?

Anybody catch Anderson Cooper talking to the lady friend that lived with the ebola man. Yes, I think we should be concerned if what she's saying is true about the CDC. The waste from the man still in the apt....people in the apt getting no real answers or help how to deal with this...
Burning it?

Oberon

10-03-14, 05:59 AM

How about a fallout shelter?

Head for Yamantau! (And seriously, of all the mountains they could build Russias NORAD/Raven Rock under, they choose one called 'Bad' or 'Evil' Mountain :har: :rock:)

Burning it?

That would probably be the best bet, or bleach, Ebola is killed pretty easily so it's not too difficult.

"The Ebola virus can be eliminated with heat (heating for 30 to 60 minutes at 60 °C or boiling for 5 minutes). On surfaces, some lipid solvents such as some alcohol-based products, detergents, sodium hypochlorite (bleach) or calcium hypochlorite (bleaching powder), and other suitable disinfectants at appropriate concentrations can be used as disinfectants."

Sung

10-03-14, 06:04 AM

Workers Spray Ebola Patients’ Vomit Off of Sidewalk with Pressure Washer and No Protective Clothing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By9hssLCcAAHt0v.png:large

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ebola-Dude.jpg

WFAA TV Dallas/Fort Worth Channel 8 news says that the Centers for Disease Control ordered the sidewalk to be power-washed

:woot::har::up:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/workers-spray-ebola-patients%E2%80%99-vomit-sidewalk-pressure-washer-and-no-protective-cloth

Oberon

10-03-14, 06:13 AM

Workers Spray Ebola Patients’ Vomit Off of Sidewalk with Pressure Washer and No Protective Clothing

WFAA TV Dallas/Fort Worth Channel 8 news says that the Centers for Disease Control ordered the sidewalk to be power-washed

:woot::har::up:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/workers-spray-ebola-patients%E2%80%99-vomit-sidewalk-pressure-washer-and-no-protective-cloth

Ok, there is not a facepalm image strong enough for that...not even the facepalm made of facepalms will cut it.

That is stupidity on an evolutionary scale. :/\\!!

Pressure washing is fine, the hot water will kill the Ebola...but the guys should be wearing NBC suits!

Sung

10-03-14, 06:24 AM

Oberon.
There is no hot water. Thats a normal pressure cleaner.
And the Indian girl is walking with sandals through that vomit.

I bet these two guys didn't know what they doing there :o

Oberon

10-03-14, 06:26 AM

Oberon.
There is no hot water. Thats a normal pressure cleaner.
And the Indian girl is walking with sandals through that vomit.

I bet these two guys didn't know what they doing there :o

Christ on a bike... :/\\!! :nope:

Ok, I take it back, if this is the level of stupidity that the US is going to display in the face of Ebola, you guys are screwed. :dead:

ikalugin

10-03-14, 06:28 AM

Head for Yamantau! (And seriously, of all the mountains they could build Russias NORAD/Raven Rock under, they choose one called 'Bad' or 'Evil' Mountain :har: :rock:)

Urals are too far away, and any self respecting Russian (that lives in Moscow) has an access to a fall out shelter (not metro) there.

Oberon

10-03-14, 06:32 AM

Urals are too far away, and any self respecting Russian (that lives in Moscow) has an access to a fall out shelter (not metro) there.

Good point, I forgot about the Moscow shelters, are they still building the new shelters that were announced to be built back in 2010?

ikalugin

10-03-14, 07:10 AM

Which specific project do you refer to?

It is an ongoing process (the most recent one that I remember was the TIS started in 90s and finished in 00s), though the new facilities are for the goverment use only.

Oberon

10-03-14, 07:16 AM

ikalugin

10-03-14, 07:29 AM

I think that one was forgoten.

Oberon

10-03-14, 08:07 AM

I think that one was forgoten.

D'oh! Still, at least they made an effort...I don't recall any major public protection works in the US or UK, shelters were left to the public and individual businesses to make. Teller, Rockefeller, Kahn and Holifeld apparently had an idea for a series of shelters across the US to be able to house millions of people, perhaps that's where the idea for the Vaults in Fallout came from.

Dread Knot

10-03-14, 08:28 AM

File this under the "No big surprise" department. Workers balk at clean-up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us...acts.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=0)

The officials said it had been difficult to find a contractor willing to enter the apartment to clean it and remove bedding and clothes, which they said had been bagged in plastic. They said they now had hired a firm that would do the work soon. The Texas health commissioner, Dr. David Lakey, told reporters during an afternoon news conference that officials had encountered “a little bit of hesitancy” in seeking a firm to clean the apartment

Dread Knot

10-03-14, 08:31 AM

Workers Spray Ebola Patients’ Vomit Off of Sidewalk with Pressure Washer and No Protective Clothing

WFAA TV Dallas/Fort Worth Channel 8 news says that the Centers for Disease Control ordered the sidewalk to be power-washed

:woot::har::up:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-02/workers-spray-ebola-patients%E2%80%99-vomit-sidewalk-pressure-washer-and-no-protective-cloth

Actually, I'm not too worried for the guys doing the pressure washing. The vomit was days old at this point and the virus likely long dead.

I'm more worried for whomever and whatever may have had contact with that spot in it's early hours prior to anyone even knowing what it was. Kids running barefoot. A dog who later inflicted a scratch or bite. The woman in sandals. etc.

Rockstar

10-03-14, 08:55 AM

Actually, I'm not too worried for the guys doing the pressure washing. The vomit was days old at this point and the virus likely long dead.

I'm more worried for whomever and whatever may have had contact with that spot in it's early hours prior to anyone even knowing what it was. Kids running barefoot. A dog who later inflicted a scratch or bite. The woman in sandals. etc.

We'll know in 21 days.

ikalugin

10-03-14, 09:27 AM

I wonder why they were not isolated or why there was no proper clean up crew. I mean it is not all that hard to organise.

Dread Knot

10-03-14, 09:37 AM

I wonder why they were not isolated or why there was no proper clean up crew. I mean it is not all that hard to organise.

Well, we are talking about a nation where a guy recently vaulted the White House fence, ran across the lawn through the unlocked front door, mugged a secret service agent inside and made it into in inner sanctum of American political power virtually unmolested.

Likely the same clowns who were in charge of White House security have now been transferred to the Center for Disease Control. :D

mapuc

10-03-14, 01:44 PM

So. If Ebola can't be spread by contact? Why are so many people on a watch list?
Oh.. Wait!! How many things like this have jumped to a contact spread thing?
A bird virus that jumped to people, AIDS which was a monkey thing if I recall?
OH GOD!! I'M GONNA DIE!!!
:o
:haha:

I think you should read some more about Ebola.

Of course Ebola are spread by contact between a person with Ebola and a healthy person, that if this healthy person are in contact with one of four of the victims body fluid

Even if you should be in the same room as an patient with Ebola and you don't touch that person or his or her belongings or stand right infront of that person, if this person should cough or something. You should be OK.

Markus

Oberon

10-03-14, 02:00 PM

Meanwhile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cui5afI-a9Q

vienna

10-03-14, 03:58 PM

There is one point to remember here: almost all the efforts regarding the containment, cleanup, and monitoring of the "Ebola Arms Apartments" is being handled by the local health and law enforcement authorities. the Feds, due to jurisdictional restraints really have little say other than to recommend actions to be taken. The locals may either choose to follow those suggestions or not. Given that this case is in Texas and there is a pronounced anti-Fed sentiment in the state, it may be rather more difficult to get the locals to take reasonable actions. I rather imagine if the Feds, via the CDC or some other entity, moved in and tried to take over the administration of the situation, the reaction to perceived Fed interference would be swift and vocal...

<O>

Oberon

10-03-14, 04:41 PM

vienna

10-03-14, 04:58 PM

Oh America... :nope: No wonder all the disaster films happen there. :haha:

You don't know the half...

There was a movie several years ago where an epidemic broke out and the Feds moved in to stop the spread. In the movie, a team goes to Los Angeles (where I live) and meets with all the local authorities and community representatives. After the Feds set out their plans, immediate bickering broke out: "You have to many aid centers in the majority white area, we demand you move them to our [enter racial/ethnic/socio-economic/gender/political sub-group here] area!!". The bickering then expanded to arguments between the groups as to which group was perceived to have acquired or siphoned off resources from another group. The upshot of the scene was the Feds shaking their heads in disgust and leaving the meeting...

The scene probably seemed a bit comical to those viewing the film outside of Los Angeles, but, I assure you, if an actual emergency of the sort depicted in the film were to break out in LA, the fiction would be only a sliver of what would be the actual truth...

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Armistead

10-03-14, 04:59 PM

It's OK, Jesus will be returning soon...

vienna

10-03-14, 05:03 PM

Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw in the late 60s. An evangelical fundamentalist Christian group had been handing out and/or placing on cars stickers that said "Jesus is Coming Soon". Being that I was living in San Francisco at the time and given the highly irreverent nature of San Franciscans, a large number of variation on the sticker's theme soon appeared. My favorite was "Jesus is Coming... and, man, is He P.O.'d"...

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August

10-03-14, 05:19 PM

http://patteran.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451947569e20120a7e2249b970b-320pi

ikalugin

10-03-14, 10:43 PM

Sung

10-04-14, 03:51 AM

We live in a strange world.
70 years after second world war, the german army stand on the river dnjeper.

"DEUTSCHE FALLSCHIRMJÄGER BEREITEN SICH EINEM BERICHT ZUFOLGE AUF EINEN EINSATZ IN DEM KRISENGEBIET ..."
04.10.14 | 09:58 Uhr Bundeswehr-Soldaten vor Einsatz in der Ostukraine

Deutsche Fallschirmjäger bereiten sich einem Bericht zufolge auf einen Einsatz in dem Krisengebiet vor. Sie sollen die Überwachung des Waffenstillstands unterstützen.

Feuer Frei!

10-04-14, 04:44 AM

Why America isn't ready for a Ebola outbreak:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10/20141003_safety_0.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10/20141003_panic1_0.jpg

Oberon

10-04-14, 05:52 AM

I do wonder though if Ebola does hit US hard, I mean isn't like 15 percent of population without the insurance and is basically a pool of possible infection carriers?

Not to mention the immigrants who probably are over looked by the relevant authorities.

It's hard to say really...although my faith in the US's ability to cope with a major disaster scenario such as an Ebola outbreak has been shaken a bit with the recent revelations. Ebola isn't the easiest thing to transmit, and things like hot water and disinfectant will kill it...but it's how many people have access to that kind of thing who are in the country illegally. If it's anything like the UK then that might be a difficult proposition since you get the organised crime groups who have houses which have six immigrants to a room. The conditions are not exactly good... :hmmm:
If an outbreak is going to happen anywhere, it'll happen where the conditions are worse, and that's usually amongst the lower strata of society, the poor, the illegals, the working class and so on. It would certainly increase xenophobia and widen the gap between rich/well off and the poor in whatever country it spreads.
Honestly though...I really don't know, I don't think that it'll spread much beyond the current situation in Texas...the difference between the US and Western Africa is extreme after all...but the US does certainly need to up its game...this is a warning siren after all, the next outbreak might not be so favourable for western nations.

vienna

10-06-14, 11:56 AM

Sometimes timing is everything:

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/dallas_newspaper_may_want_to_rethink_its_taste_of_ africa_comes_to_dallas_cover.php

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Rockstar

10-06-14, 12:09 PM

The fella pictured above washing Ebola waste into a public drainage system proves there is even a more insidious disease plaguing mankind.

STUPIDITY!

It can spread like wildfire. You don't have to come into contact with people, their clothing or things they have touched to catch it. People intentionally infect their children with it, sometimes in an attempt to immunize them, sometimes to cause the disease. One stupid person can infect millions via radio, television, books, rumor or print media. There is no cure. The disease does not respond to any kind of medicine, logic, facts, or treatment. It barely responds to mockery. You can not innoculate your children. They may be born stupid or acquire stupidity by casual contact with stupid people or their ideas.

It is a dreadful and a most often fatal disease.

Dread Knot

10-06-14, 12:12 PM

Duncan was down-graded to critical condition yesterday. If he dies, I suppose his will be the first death from Ebola in the US.

ikalugin

10-06-14, 12:23 PM

I think there were two deaths from Ebola in Russia already... Both were researchers working in the relevant institutions.

Jeff-Groves

10-06-14, 06:56 PM

Seems as I'm seeing all the same things We were told about AIDS when it first hit the U.S.
Safe Sex and you won't get AIDS.
That turned out well didn't it?
:nope:

So I'm supposed to 'believe' that Ebola can't go rampant in the U.S. of A.? :hmmm:

August

10-06-14, 07:37 PM

Safe Sex and you won't get AIDS.
That turned out well didn't it?

Actually practicing safe sex and not sharing hypodermic needles works pretty darn well to prevent getting AIDS.

mapuc

10-06-14, 08:12 PM

Looks like we got our first case of Ebola in Europe.

A Spanish nurse seems to have been infected with Ebola, when she nursed a Spanish Priest.

The first test was positiv, now they await the second test.

Markus

Oberon

10-06-14, 08:42 PM

Yeah, it'll be two tests before they're completely sure. Still, unfortunately the averages were against her, a lot of the westerners that have been infected with Ebola whilst in West Africa have been health-care professionals. In something like this they are the frontline infantry.
Hopefully they can get her treated since they've caught it early and she can make a full recovery.

ikalugin

10-06-14, 08:42 PM

Wasn't there a case of an infection in the UK in 1976? Plus there was a death of a lab assistant in 1996 (European Russia) from Ebola.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/history/chronology.html

Oberon

10-06-14, 09:57 PM

Oh, there's been the odd outbreak here and there. There's some good (and quite frightening apparently) case studies in 'The Hot Zone' by Richard Preston.
This outbreak though is the worst Ebola outbreak in recorded history, in fact this one outbreak has killed more people than all of the other outbreaks put together. It is, numerically speaking, only a matter of time before it arrives in the UK, most scientists are predicting that the UK or France will have its first case before October 24th, I guess we'll see how accurate they are.

Von Tonner

10-07-14, 04:45 AM

If an outbreak is going to happen anywhere, it'll happen where the conditions are worse, and that's usually amongst the lower strata of society, the poor, the illegals, the working class and so on.

"...the working class" :huh:

Dread Knot

10-07-14, 07:39 AM

Paul Offit, the chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, made a powerful point yesterday: "I bet that if we put out an Ebola virus vaccine tomorrow, half of this country would take it, even though it hasn't killed anyone who hasn't traveled" to the affected countries. "Yet you can't get parents to give their children an HPV vaccine to prevent a virus that kills 4,000 U.S. citizens a year."The same goes for all kinds of things that are likelier to kill you than Ebola. More than ten thousand people died in drunk driving crashes in 2012. But plenty of people still get behind the wheel drunk. Measles are nine times as contagious as Ebola, but we've seen sizable outbreaks of late because people refuse, or are too inconvenienced to get vaccinated.

It does make me wonder how many drama queens and kings will be reporting to their doctors this winter with the flu, but convinced they have Ebola. :shifty:

mapuc

10-07-14, 03:27 PM

In a Danish newspaper a Chief Physician and professor of microbiological diagnostics at State Serum Institute say that

Since both a Norwegian and a Spaniard have been infected with Ebola, bring a Danish Chief Physician questioned whether the disease is transmitted easier than first thought

The Spanish Nurse had double protection and still she got infected.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-07-14, 07:10 PM

mapuc

10-07-14, 07:35 PM

Guess I should read up on Ebola eh?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2248478&postcount=96

:haha:

We can all be wrong, every one the doctors a.s.o have so far said you will not get infected if you not touch a person with Ebola.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-07-14, 07:44 PM

We can all be wrong, every one the doctors a.s.o have so far said you will not get infected if you not touch a person with Ebola.

That's my fear. Being wrong!
AIDS, so easily avoided, became a problem.
Now Ebola is being down played much as AIDS was.

2 to 21 days to being a danger? Reminds me of the movie 28 Days Later.
:huh:

Skybird

10-08-14, 05:08 AM

That's my fear. Being wrong!
AIDS, so easily avoided, became a problem.
Now Ebola is being down played much as AIDS was.

2 to 21 days to being a danger? Reminds me of the movie 28 Days Later.
:huh:
After healing out, AIDS virusses can still be present in semen for another 90 days, that is often overlooked. It's hard for some people, but you better don't have sex for three months after you survived Ebola.

Skybird

10-08-14, 05:13 AM

We can all be wrong, every one the doctors a.s.o have so far said you will not get infected if you not touch a person with Ebola.

Markus
The small drops of fluid in your breath can be enough to get infected for sure, they can tranpsort the virus over short distances, 1-2 m. Travelling a tube of anm air condition system however I think is not possible.

So even if not touching a patient, you are at risk if being in close vicinity to a patient without protective gear. Entry lanes into your body are the eyes, nose, mouth, and all skin ruptures.

Protective mobile gear as to be seen in hospitals needs to be changed every 40 minutes in case of Ebola. It takes 5 minutes to get into it, and 15 minutes to get out (a helper must spray you with chlorine as well).

ikalugin

10-08-14, 05:39 AM

Rockstar

10-08-14, 06:20 AM

We can all be wrong, every one the doctors a.s.o have so far said you will not get infected if you not touch a person with Ebola.

Markus

Myth Busters concluded when somebody sneezes the body fluid expelled can reach a speed of up to 17 miles an hour (27 kph) and travel up to 39 feet (11.8 meters). If anyone is within shot of that aerosol it gets inhaled, in their eyes or contaminates open sores.

I'm no doctor but I figure if you can pass on a cold or flu virus by sneezing you could most likely pass on an Ebola virus. But like I said I'm not a doctor so what do I know.

Skybird

10-08-14, 06:30 AM

Why is there a 40 minute limit?

P.s. 40-60 min period would be logical for an old closed NBCR suit (such as the L1), however in the case of the Ebola I do not see the need for such level of protection.
Cannot tell, I just refer to what I read in a report about recommendations issued by the UN health organization.

I assume it has something to do with the fact that the protective gear worn in less developed countries, does not provide full isolation like the hightech spacesuits used in a high level security lab. The nurse in Spain got infected by just walking into the room twice, wearing protective gear of that kind, once to remove some textiles, and once to get out some medical instruments.

---

Since I love the German LOLwaffe so much recently: the Germans are shuttling an Ebola mission to Africa, hospital, staff, all that. German forces love this kind of missions, since no fighting is involved, nobody joins the German army to fight in a war, those who want fighting instead travel to the ME and join IS or AQ. Staff - all volunteers - was told that in case of infection they would be flown out and back to Germany immediately. - Yesterday the ministry of defence had to paddle back, admitting that the German forces would not have the capacity needed to fly out any infected personnel of theirs soon. Yes, trust your eyes, you read that right. - Quiz time: how many air transports does it take to fly a high risk patient in protective isolation capsule from Liberia to Germany, when it takes 4 Transalls to fly 7 German weapon instructors from London to Northern Iraq? :D Four? Five? Six? More than six?

Food for thought. :woot:

ikalugin

10-08-14, 06:42 AM

Well as far as I know you need to protect yourself from bodily liquids of the patients so you probably want a non permable suit with a light respirator and eye protection. You don't need all round sealing protection in my opinion, as the agent in question would appear to be either a liquid (blood, ect) or a low density aerozole (from breathing ect).

This would lead to a possibly extended operational times than when compared to the MOPP4 stuff, but even then you could operate for longer times under MOPP4 if need be.

The issue would be not the gear itself (which is cheap and easy to obtain), but with operating with their gear and especially the decon.

ikalugin

10-08-14, 07:40 AM

Yes, and the question is why didn't this nurse have any of it when she was dealing with the infected patient?
Maybe she did, but did not follow the decontamination procedure.

Dread Knot

10-08-14, 07:40 AM

A WHO advisor on Ebola, Peter Piot, has said he's not too surprised by the infection of the Spanish nurse, Teresa Romero.

"The smallest mistake can be fatal," he said. "For example, a very dangerous moment is when you come out of the isolation unit you take off your protective gear, you are full of sweat and so on." Wiping your eyes to get the sweat out of them, he suggested, could lead to transmission.

Professor Piot also said he expected more cases in Europe and the USA.

Swell. :-?

Feuer Frei!

10-08-14, 08:49 AM

you better don't have sex for three months after you survived Ebola.

Small, very small price to pay i'd say.

Dread Knot

10-08-14, 09:04 AM

Small, very small price to pay i'd say.

Even more when you consider that HIV/AIDS is still so rampant in Sub-Saharan Africa that it kills around 1.1 million people every year.

Ebola is scary, but in terms of the overall African misery index, it's still small potatoes.

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/KOA2Fn4FJ1oCgVA5pt7hQeRAUME=/700x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2316374/Africa_death_causes_revised.0.png

Dread Knot

10-08-14, 10:25 AM

Breaking News. The Dallas Ebola patient, Eric Thomas Duncan has died.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncan-died/story?id=26045360

Jeff-Groves

10-08-14, 09:29 PM

We can all be wrong, every one the doctors a.s.o have so far said you will not get infected if you not touch a person with Ebola.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-fWsnz0FE&feature=youtu.be

:haha:

Jimbuna

10-09-14, 05:37 AM

Even more when you consider that HIV/AIDS is still so rampant in Sub-Saharan Africa that it kills around 1.1 million people every year.

Ebola is scary, but in terms of the overall African misery index, it's still small potatoes.

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/KOA2Fn4FJ1oCgVA5pt7hQeRAUME=/700x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2316374/Africa_death_causes_revised.0.png

Puts things into perspective.

Rockstar

10-09-14, 12:16 PM

It might help our perspective if the media didn't treat anyone who spent too much time in the toilet after overdoing it on the Atomic Fire Garlic Wings and Fosters Lager as a potential Patient Zero.

Oberon

10-09-14, 12:20 PM

https://31.media.tumblr.com/b5661a550051a88b5551e7d1f09714eb/tumblr_nd3ngelgcT1qzh561o1_500.gif

https://33.media.tumblr.com/ba49103c0002b7592dd449f45f1b7d25/tumblr_nd3ngelgcT1qzh561o2_500.gif

mapuc

10-09-14, 01:37 PM

Puts things into perspective.

Usefull until some month ago, but if the outbreak of Ebola goes into full scale in Africa the pictures will most suddenly change.

Markus

Dread Knot

10-09-14, 01:59 PM

This paragraph from the Daily Beast about the infected Spanish nurse was rather terrifying--

According to Spanish press reports quoting the Spanish nurses’ union, Romero called Carlos III hospital several times between September 30 and October 2 when her fever finally hit the 38.6 threshold. Still, it took until October 6 when she had become so deathly ill she was begging for an Ebola test before anyone at the hospital where she worked reportedly reacted. Then, rather than immediately isolating her and rushing her to the special ward used to treat the previous Ebola patients, they told her to go to the nearby emergency room at Alcorcón, where press reports say she sat in the public waiting room for several hours absent of any protective gear. "I think I have Ebola," she reportedly told anyone who would listen. But no one took notice until her first test came back positive. By then, dripping with fevered sweat, she would have been inarguably contagious
While it is difficult to believe Western hospitals could be so complacent, one possible explanation is that hospitals can be skeptical when a patient presents with possible symptoms because Ebola is such a rare disease that is difficult to transmit. Here in the United States, most of the suspected cases have turned out to be false alarms.

This doesn't justify Ebola patients' symptoms not getting the attention they deserve, but it does help explain how hospitals have repeatedly botched their handling of new Ebola cases in ways that could allow the disease to spread further. Hopefully the message is getting through that Ebola isn't just for Africa anymore.

Jimbuna

10-09-14, 02:17 PM

Usefull until some month ago, but if the outbreak of Ebola goes into full scale in Africa the pictures will most suddenly change.

Markus

Without doubt :yep:

Oberon

10-09-14, 02:29 PM

Someone is going for the full Daily Mail Bingo haul:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzhUb4wIMAApy36.jpg:large

vienna

10-09-14, 02:37 PM

Puts things into perspective.

There is a serious reporting problem in Africa. The number of reported deaths is outstripped by the number of bodies being buried with verifiable Ebola infection. Reporting is not the exacting, bureaucratic science it is in Europe and North America. I have heard estimations of 2X-5X the "reported" deaths...

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Dread Knot

10-09-14, 03:09 PM

Possible death of a British national from Ebola. In Macedonia of all places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29559444

Dread Knot

10-09-14, 03:41 PM

He missed immigrants gypsies single mothers and Romanians.
Obviously an amateur.:yep:

Compared to US conservative radio commenter Rush Limbaugh, yes. He is alleging that Obama is trying to import the disease into the USA proper as the black man's revenge against slavery....or something.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/r...venge-slavery/ (http://www.forwardprogressives.com/rush-limbaugh-president-obama-wants-ebola-u-s-revenge-slavery/)

Dan D

10-09-14, 04:07 PM

Someone is going for the full Daily Mail Bingo haul:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzhUb4wIMAApy36.jpg:large

Let me quote Otto Bismarck here, one of Germany's finest diplomats and statesmen, which is what Germany is known for:

"It is not by speeches and majority resolutions that the great questions of the time are decided – that was the big mistake of 1848 and 1849 – but by iron and blood".

http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=250

Dread Knot

10-09-14, 05:44 PM

Could be worse.
Have you read that "christian" radio commenter on there?
Ebola could be the solution for promiscuity, homosexuality, atheism, abortion and pornography.:yep:
Though alternately he says Ebola could be a plot by the anti Christ in the Whitehouse to put the gas chambers the government has secretly built in the FEMA camps to use, probably as some sham claim of decontaminating people from the virus.:hmmm:
I suppose Obama would be using the troops to do the rounding up under this anti Christs martial law(and sharia law)...though of course he is also deliberately infecting the military with ebola to get rid of them.

So many crazy theories from one person on a crazy "christian" radio show.
Yeah. It's shame we can't post them on the border as scarecrows, that their terrifying visages may frighten off illegal aliens, viruses, terrorists, and Adidas shirt prayer rugs.

http://gawker.com/breitbart-com-is-sure-this-adidas-shirts-an-islamo-mexi-1603045854

August

10-09-14, 08:09 PM

Someone is going for the full Daily Mail Bingo haul:

Geez if they hadn't thought of it before they can thank the Daily Mail for giving them the idea. :nope:

Jimbuna

10-10-14, 05:45 AM

Geez if they hadn't thought of it before they can thank the Daily Mail for giving them the idea. :nope:

That is one of the reasons the paper is often referred to as The Daily Fail :)

Oberon

10-10-14, 05:59 AM

That is one of the reasons the paper is often referred to as The Daily Fail :)

The idea wouldn't work very well anyway, the 'bomber' would have to go and urinate or vomit on any potential victim, and unless it's a Friday night near the takeaway then I think that would start ringing alarm bells for people.

If they blew themselves up, the heat of the blast would kill the virus. :dead:

Jimbuna

10-10-14, 07:38 AM

The idea wouldn't work very well anyway, the 'bomber' would have to go and urinate or vomit on any potential victim, and unless it's a Friday night near the takeaway then I think that would start ringing alarm bells for people.

If they blew themselves up, the heat of the blast would kill the virus. :dead:

And not very attractove looking to those 72 virgins :)

Betonov

10-10-14, 08:51 AM

If they blew themselves up, the heat of the blast would kill the virus. :dead:

Unfortunately I disagree.
A small enough blast would tear the terrorist apart. Let's say he has a vest and his abdomen area is vaporized. chest and pelvis are shielding the rest from the heat, but not the shockwawe. And you have ebola infected bloody body parts landing on everyone around accompanied by the pink mist.

Some of the survivors panic and run, covered in blood bumping in people. More cool minded run home because for them that's the safest place. Family members help them clean up, soothing hugs may be in present...

But still, the death toll wouldn't be that high. Ebola is not really that easily transmitable. Your partner would have to either rub your bloody clothes on their own wounds or lick the clothes.
And even after that, the investigation would show the terrorist had Ebola and a public announcement would drive the witnesses and their families to hospitals where they would be checked and isolated and then treated.

Death toll would be higher from the initial blast than the virus.

Oberon

10-10-14, 09:04 AM

Unfortunately I disagree.
A small enough blast would tear the terrorist apart. Let's say he has a vest and his abdomen area is vaporized. chest and pelvis are shielding the rest from the heat, but not the shockwawe. And you have ebola infected bloody body parts landing on everyone around accompanied by the pink mist.

Some of the survivors panic and run, covered in blood bumping in people. More cool minded run home because for them that's the safest place. Family members help them clean up, soothing hugs may be in present...

But still, the death toll wouldn't be that high. Ebola is not really that easily transmitable. Your partner would have to either rub your bloody clothes on their own wounds or lick the clothes.
And even after that, the investigation would show the terrorist had Ebola and a public announcement would drive the witnesses and their families to hospitals where they would be checked and isolated and then treated.

Death toll would be higher from the initial blast than the virus.

Fair point, but like you say, the death toll from the blast would be greater than the virus, it's not really a good terrorist weapon. Although I suppose it would create a small panic which is probably the goal of such things, but at the end of the day compared to other viruses you could use, Ebola is not that effective. :hmmm:

ikalugin

10-10-14, 09:07 AM

Well, not unless a terrorist gets a weaponised version of Ebola, but then getting a chemical agent or even a (fission) nuclear device would probably easier.

Oberon

10-10-14, 09:13 AM

You mean like Ebolapox? Possible, but like you say, it'd be easier to grab some radioactive material, less likely to backfire and wipe out all mankind too. :03:

Dowly

10-10-14, 10:19 AM

Nicholas Cage & Sean Connery will handle it. If they fail, there's Jack Bauer.

See, they shouldn't use a bomb at all. Just spray the virus on various bus windows,
and the window lickers will spread it.

ikalugin

10-10-14, 10:20 AM

You mean like Ebolapox? Possible, but like you say, it'd be easier to grab some radioactive material, less likely to backfire and wipe out all mankind too. :03:
Weaponised agents actually would beharder to spread amongst the population for the obvious reasons, but more contagious upon deployment. Morever a better way to deploy such biological weapon would be contaminating a water supply for a major population center. That said if you are doing that there are other readily availiable agents such as Amthrax, so going for the exotic (though cool) agents may be the wrong way to go round things.

August

10-10-14, 02:17 PM

The idea wouldn't work very well anyway, the 'bomber' would have to go and urinate or vomit on any potential victim, and unless it's a Friday night near the takeaway then I think that would start ringing alarm bells for people.

I'd say that depends on the amount of body fluids it takes to transmit the disease. It might be so little that wipe with a damp rag could do it.

Oberon

10-10-14, 02:32 PM

I'd say that depends on the amount of body fluids it takes to transmit the disease. It might be so little that wipe with a damp rag could do it.

Only if it goes through a cut on the hand, or people don't wash their hands that often.

August

10-10-14, 06:04 PM

Only if it goes through a cut on the hand, or people don't wash their hands that often.

It doesn't have to be transmitted through a cut. An absent minded rub of an eye or a nose with a hand that was recently on an infected stair well or escalator hand rail, door knob, elevator button etc would be enough I think.

Oberon

10-10-14, 06:28 PM

It doesn't have to be transmitted through a cut. An absent minded rub of an eye or a nose with a hand that was recently on an infected stair well or escalator hand rail, door knob, elevator button etc would be enough I think.

It's possible...the information on how long Ebola survives outside of a host varies from five minutes to five days. :hmmm:

Rockstar

10-11-14, 07:45 AM

Canada is recommending to it's citizens (in the most polite manner of course) to leave Ebola stricken countries while commercial means are still available.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/canada-advises-citizens-to-leave-ebola-hit-countries-605121

Jimbuna

10-11-14, 08:11 AM

It doesn't have to be transmitted through a cut. An absent minded rub of an eye or a nose with a hand that was recently on an infected stair well or escalator hand rail, door knob, elevator button etc would be enough I think.

A rub of the eye is the suspected cause/origin of that infected spanish nurse iirc :yep:

Dread Knot

10-11-14, 08:26 AM

Aktungbby

10-11-14, 09:25 AM

At least they can begin treatment while they wait...near the Mayo Clinic at Rochester. http://www.beer-steins.com/hamms/H94LF.jpg:Kaleun_Cheers:just off the I-35 at Albert Lea

Oberon

10-12-14, 10:55 AM

Rockstar

10-12-14, 01:22 PM

Ok so protocol may not have been broken. Doesn't mean the protocol involved is effective. Maybe they should review their procedures to find the obvious weak link. But most likley in order to save face they will just insist it was perfect and doesn't need to be changed.

em2nought

10-12-14, 05:32 PM

Yay, lets all bring ebola to the USA! Great! Way to go! Maybe we can infect the entire USMC if we rotate them all through Liberia, swell! :arrgh!:

Oberon

10-12-14, 05:40 PM

http://thethirtiesgrind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/sky-is-falling.jpg

Dread Knot

10-12-14, 07:45 PM

http://media.giphy.com/media/h3Np9vhocnsUU/giphy.gif

Kptlt. Neuerburg

10-12-14, 09:23 PM

Aaand another one in the US has got it, supposedly whilst wearing full treatment gear...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzwYTS2CQAAUhwA.jpg

"The fact we don't know of a breach in protocol is concerning, because clearly there was"

http://www.accountingweb.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/images/nicholas-cage-celebrity.jpg
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj529/zacharybaty/hawkeye-pierce-mas-2382-1_zps44b66f14.jpg
You don't know that there was a breach of protocol even though there clearly was? Tell me something else you don't know but think clearly happened.

Rhodes

10-13-14, 04:17 AM

http://3.fotos.web.sapo.io/i/oa1115d8e/17491217_m0TEt.gif

Aktungbby

10-13-14, 11:13 AM

Now a nurse in Texas and Spain has it- POST#7:a plague so severe and deadly that no one could recall anywhere its like, and physicians ignorant of its nature not only were helpless but themselves died the fastest, since they had the most contact with the sick.:hmmm: Mother Nature has her own solution to global warming perhaps?:hmmm:

Rockstar

10-13-14, 01:29 PM

Now a nurse in Texas and Spain has it- :hmmm: Mother Nature has her own solution to global warming perhaps?:hmmm:

That's exactley whats happening! Mother Nature orders woodland fairies to sprinkle magic Ebola dust on humanity as punishment for global warming.

Oberon

10-13-14, 01:36 PM

I could think of better magic dust that the fairies could use if they really wanted to smack the reset button.

If this outbreak is anything, it's a shot across the bows, the next virus might not be as inefficient as Ebola currently is.

Rockstar

10-13-14, 02:11 PM

It's not so much Ebola that has me worried. It's more of the authorities perceived ineptitude and inefficency of responding to it. As predictable as Ebola appears to be I would've thought it never could have gotten as far as Texas.

Still, thankfully I'm not living in India or like places.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yQp_abB7nlc/TXKcPq9Dh-I/AAAAAAAACKg/BAMOnxdWoLY/s1600/train+India.jpg

August

10-13-14, 08:53 PM

Now a nurse in Texas and Spain has it- :hmmm: Mother Nature has her own solution to global warming perhaps?:hmmm:

Or at least global overpopulation.

BTW orange text is difficult enough to read now you want to use yellow? :roll:

Armistead

10-14-14, 10:23 PM

Just read that the nurses boyfriend has now been admitted to the hospital with symptoms of ebola...

Oberon

10-15-14, 12:04 AM

Just read that the nurses boyfriend has now been admitted to the hospital with symptoms of ebola...

Not surprising, the pair probably have shared bodily fluid, that's what couples do. She probably didn't even realise she was infectious at the time.

Either that or he's a really terrible boyfriend... :haha:

Rockstar

10-15-14, 07:04 AM

Not sure if there was a mix up in reporting who got what. But I just read a second healthcare worker involved with the Duncan case tested positive. Training, training, training! These doctors, nurses and directors need to get serious about this if they and their hospitals want to stay in business and healthy.

"I wish we had put a team like this on the ground the day the patient — the first patient — was diagnosed. That might have prevented this infection," Frieden said.

Instead right off the bat with borders wide open we as a nation were told not to worry about it. Then when Ebola does spread to Texas, local, state and federal authorities, seem to come down with a severe case of the dumb arse and appear completly unprepared as how to deal with it.

Armistead

10-15-14, 07:26 AM

Dread Knot

10-15-14, 07:46 AM

I think it's official now. Cute selfies with dogs spread Ebola.

http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/AzcLuOKTzkpiWOY96qQiwToUTDs=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2353590/10599612_316972648482175_7694168644664189317_n.0.j pg

Jimbuna

10-15-14, 07:54 AM

Just read that the nurses boyfriend has now been admitted to the hospital with symptoms of ebola...

May sound a touch heartless but I think it was to be expected under the circumstances surrounding an intimate relationship.

Dread Knot

10-15-14, 08:02 AM

Oberon

10-15-14, 11:09 AM

You know Texas is always talking about leaving the Union.

Well, I have no current objections. You can go now Texas. G'bye y'all.

QUICK! SEAL THE BORDER!!! THROW UP THE ROAD BLOCKS!!!

whew! That was close.

Too late old boy, too late.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29632433

The latest case flew from Ohio the day before she showed symptoms.

Rockstar

10-15-14, 01:10 PM

You know Texas is always talking about leaving the Union.

Well, I have no current objections. You can go now Texas. G'bye y'all.

QUICK! SEAL THE BORDER!!! THROW UP THE ROAD BLOCKS!!!

whew! That was close.

In the United States there is no constitutional provision for a state to leave the union. It's like the Hotel California "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

Dread Knot

10-15-14, 02:06 PM

Too late old boy, too late.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29632433

The latest case flew from Ohio the day before she showed symptoms.

I'm no expert, but common sense would tell me to postpone any travel until after the incubation period had passed. :dead: According to the CDC, she had a temperature of 99.5 at the time of her flight, which means she wouldn't have been very contagious. Still, the agency is asking the 132 passengers on the flight to call-in.

It sounds like the hospital really dropped the ball and the CDC should have removed the patient using their own people to one of the 4 facilities it has rated for this type of containment.

Two things about the hospital. Upon Duncan's actual admittance he was left in a non-quarantined room for several hours and possibly in an X-ray lab as well, not sure if this was the same room. They also used their internal transportation system to move his samples about, this is a pneumatic tube system similar to a drive up bank window from what I can gather.

Wall Street is really taking this news on the chin. There has been a huge sell-off in airline and travel stocks.

Oberon

10-15-14, 02:20 PM

I'm no expert, but common sense would tell me to postpone any travel until after the incubation period had passed. :dead: According to the CDC, she had a temperature of 99.5 at the time of her flight, which means she wouldn't have been very contagious. Still, the agency is asking the 132 passengers on the flight to call-in.

It sounds like the hospital really dropped the ball and the CDC should have removed the patient using their own people to one of the 4 facilities it has rated for this type of containment.

Two things about the hospital. Upon Duncan's actual admittance he was left in a non-quarantined room for several hours and possibly in an X-ray lab as well, not sure if this was the same room. They also used their internal transportation system to move his samples about, this is a pneumatic tube system similar to a drive up bank window from what I can gather.

Wall Street is really taking this news on the chin. There has been a huge sell-off in airline and travel stocks.

Wall Street has always had a glass chin, the first whiff of problems and the lemmings start selling. :/\\!! Admittedly most of it is computerised lemmings now, which makes you wonder if one day we might find ourselves in a feedback loop where the computers just don't stop selling. That would make 1929 look like a fart in a swimming pool.

Anyway, economics aside, I think you're right in that the hospital has really dropped the ball...I can't exactly say this from a position of moral authority because we had our own scare a few days ago in a London hospital where a suspected Ebola patient was allowed to use a communal toilet and kitchen. (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-uk-nhs-staff-panicked-after-suspected-ebola-cases-9791492.html) Thankfully it turned out to be a false alarm, but hopefully a needed wake-up call.

I think in the American case it comes back to the point that vienna brought up in post #98 in that the CDC only has a certain amount of power at the federal level and there's a whole load of bureaucratic problems related to the desire of each individual US state to have the maximum amount of autonomy from Washington, and that includes government agencies such as the CDC. The American fear of big government is a potential exacerbation point in a disease outbreak.

Dread Knot

10-15-14, 02:31 PM

case it comes back to the point that vienna brought up in post #98 in that the CDC only has a certain amount of power at the federal level and there's a whole load of bureaucratic problems related to the desire of each individual US state to have the maximum amount of autonomy from Washington, and that includes government agencies such as the CDC. The American fear of big government is a potential exacerbation point in a disease outbreak.

I think another thing they overlooked when making their rosy predictions about sanitary and health conditions in a first world country was how quickly and far people can travel here on a moments notice. Putting many miles behind you is a lot easier here than in Africa.

The good news is that Duncan's family who shared the Dallas area apartment with him have shown no sign of contagion yet. Still one week of quarantine to go.

mapuc

10-15-14, 02:45 PM

Here are some thoughts and I'm absolutely no expert on this, so I could be very wrong.

There are so many nurses and doctors that got this Ebola and so far we have been told they have done something wrong during the procedure.

If it only was a few it could well be so, but so many !?

One of my Danish friend on FB is a Doctor and she's a part of some crisis team if a person with Ebola should enter Denmark.

Been telling her that it must be some type of "camp" for the doctors, nurses a.s.o. Meaning when a nurse or a doctor, have done their jobs, let say have been working for 14 days or 1 month, this nurse or doctor has to be at this camp for at least 30 days.

Markus

Rockstar

10-15-14, 02:55 PM

Too late old boy, too late.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29632433

The latest case flew from Ohio the day before she showed symptoms.

CDC now reports she knowingly flew with a low grade fever. This is what I'm talking about, ebola is predictable it is treatable and should be easily contained. But there has to be a common protocol developed it is not rocket science or high math.

Aktungbby

10-15-14, 04:03 PM

Instead right off the bat .....

GRIM Humor Attempt? :o http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2733122/Ebola-outbreak-sweeping-West-Africa-started-two-year-old-boy-infected-fruit-bat-say-researchers.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2733122/Ebola-outbreak-sweeping-West-Africa-started-two-year-old-boy-infected-fruit-bat-say-researchers.html) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/24/1408891825942_wps_2_AP3M9Y_Straw_coloured_Fru.jpg "Scientists have long believed that bats are the main carriers for the disease but it is rare for them to pass it on to man.
Most of the previous outbreaks have been caused by meat from dead infected animals collected by hunters who then sell it on.
Fruit bats, however, are widely eaten in rural west Africa – either smoked, grilled or in a spicy soup."

Jeff-Groves

10-15-14, 04:27 PM

Oh Great!! I was less then 16 miles from the Cleveland airport Monday.
:o

Ebola got real close, real fast!!

Jimbuna

10-16-14, 06:08 AM

CDC now reports she knowingly flew with a low grade fever. This is what I'm talking about, ebola is predictable it is treatable and should be easily contained. But there has to be a common protocol developed it is not rocket science or high math.

Agreed....common but stringent protocol that is enforced rigidly.

Dread Knot

10-16-14, 10:41 AM

A pandemic of fear thanks to some in the media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/an-epidemic-of-fear-and-anxiety-hits-americans-amid-ebola-outbreak/2014/10/15/0760fb96-54a8-11e4-ba4b-f6333e2c0453_story.html?hpid=z1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/an-epidemic-of-fear-and-anxiety-hits-americans-amid-ebola-outbreak/2014/10/15/0760fb96-54a8-11e4-ba4b-f6333e2c0453_story.html?hpid=z1)

Across the country, workers and travelers took symbolic safety steps, wearing sanitary masks or lathering with hand sanitizer. Airline stocks fell as investors bet on a slowdown in travel due to Ebola concerns. Children living near Washington Dulles International Airport told a psychologist about their fears of contracting the disease.Though Ebola's dangers are real and terrifying, epidemiologists and other authorities say that, for now, its greatest mark could be on the psyche of the country where other health threats are more perilous.

Last week, 200 airline cabin cleaners refused to report for work at LaGuardia Airport in New York, saying they did not have sufficient protection. Michael Oberschneider, founder and director of Ashburn Psychological and Psychiatric Services, in Ashburn, Va., said that some of his child and teen patients have said they are fearful of visiting Texas or going to Dulles Airport, both of which they view as potential danger spots. Many of these kids are bringing up Ebola at the start of the session, Oberschneider said. And I'll ask them, did you talk about it at school? They say, No, no, no. I just saw it on CNN.

Rockstar

10-16-14, 11:55 AM

FYI I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY NEWS OUTLET OVER ANOTHER.

But there does seem to be atleast one who is willing to tell the truth about Ebola.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

vienna

10-16-14, 12:17 PM

As pointed out before, the main problem still is the retention of jurisdiction by local health authorities rather than a single, unified oversight. The CDC is restricted in the same manner as the FBI; the FBI cannot enter into a local LEO case unless it is requested to do so by the local agency; so to with the CDC. Authority over local cases is held by local health agencies or hospitals, resulting in a hodge-podge of protocols and treatment regimens. Add in the widely differing levels of medical knowledge, abilities, and facilities and you have a right mess. Even when the CDC does issue recommended protocols, the locals are not bound legally to adhere to the recommendations. So what we have is what we have now: a hospital in Dallas trying desperately to cover its collective asses, lax supervision of the comings and goings of possible viral carriers, and increasing public unease. Currently, in the US, there are only 5 (five) facilities fully capable of handling Ebola cases and most of these are located rather a distance from heavily populated cities and/or areas thus increasing the level of difficulty in dealing with a possible mass outbreak. It is no coincidence the second nurse with Ebola was taken to a CDC facility rather than being left in the rather lax care of the Dallas hospital...

<O>

Oberon

10-16-14, 02:56 PM

A pandemic of fear

Meanwhile at Dulles airport:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0AXcU7CEAIJj1Q.png:large

:/\\!!

ikalugin

10-16-14, 03:15 PM

There is a subtle breech in the protective gear just above the gloves heh.

ikalugin

10-16-14, 03:30 PM

Wait, it must be a troll.

Betonov

10-16-14, 03:38 PM

FYI I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY NEWS OUTLET OVER ANOTHER.

But there does seem to be atleast one who is willing to tell the truth about Ebola.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

Nearly had a heart attack when I saw Fox News :o
They should have this guy as the only anchor.

Oberon

10-16-14, 03:42 PM

Nearly had a heart attack when I saw Fox News :o
They should have this guy as the only anchor.

Makes a nice change to see a sensible voice from Fox News, bravo to whoever decided to put that out. :up:

Dread Knot

10-16-14, 05:02 PM

Meanwhile at Dulles airport:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0AXcU7CEAIJj1Q.png:large

:/\\!!

They say Tyvek Suits are going to be the hot item for Halloween costumes this year. But they kind of have been since Breaking Bad became a hit on Cable TV.

Buddahaid

10-16-14, 05:46 PM

EBOLA!

http://brassmusician.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Alphorn-L-300x199.jpg

How you catch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZgWBpWnxk4

Dread Knot

10-16-14, 05:50 PM

EBOLA!

http://brassmusician.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Alphorn-L-300x199.jpg

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

I must admit a strange variation of "My Boyfriend's Back" has been running through my head lately.

Ebola's back and you're gonna be in trouble
(Hey-la-day-la ebola's back)
You see it comin' better, cut out on the double
(Hey-la-day-la ebola's back

Jimbuna

10-17-14, 09:03 AM

Nearly had a heart attack when I saw Fox News :o
They should have this guy as the only anchor.

Rgr that :yep:

Oberon

10-30-14, 08:34 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29836550

Only one response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PChWWkRS0MQ

Seriously, breaking quarantine is dumb. :nope:

Jimbuna

10-30-14, 09:13 AM

Should be some emergency contingency law enabling them to lock her in her place of abode.

Oberon

10-30-14, 10:12 AM

Should be some emergency contingency law enabling them to lock her in her place of abode.

I think they were hoping that people would be sensible about it...since it appears that they are not, I think an armed guard or several would be necessary. Perhaps a thermal equipped drone on stand-by to make sure she/he doesn't slip out the back or something.
Drastic? Perhaps, but you don't screw around with infectious diseases, even if this outbreak is relatively easy to control, the next one might not be.

I think that really the world should be treating this outbreak as a dry run for when the next big one hits. :yep:

EDIT: Actually having re-read the article now that the Beeb has put more information about this particular case up, I can understand why she did what she did...however, there are two things to take away from this situation.

1) The US needs to get a consolidated nation wide approach to dealing with Ebola cases, not a state by state system, a national system. It should be really simple, if a person comes back from a West African nation they have a test done and they are monitored until the risk of infection is over. If they test positive then they are treated, if they test negative then they are monitored. Surely a nation with the power and resources of the United States can organise such a system.
2) Once the above system is organised and put into place at a national level then there needs to be real consequences for breaching it. Up to and including the possibility of using lethal force. Whilst it's not exactly likely that a person suffering from Ebola would be organised enough to breach containment, should such a situation take place then it needs to be resolved swiftly before the risk of exposure to the general public.

It may sound drastic, and in some ways it is, but you don't mess around with fatal contagious diseases, you really don't, the 1918 flu epidemic killed between 3 and 5% of the planets population, today that would be up to three hundred and fifty million people, five times more people than WWII. We've been lucky, very lucky not to have a major outbreak since then...but our luck grows smaller as time goes on...