2014 chevy silverado vibration issues

[Webster]

well I just joined the long list of suckers who didn't research the new trucks before buying so I now have the seemingly common problem of a drivetrain or tire vibration only at certain speeds and conditions. mine has a slight shimmy from 65-75mph most noticeable at 68-72mph and its mainly when slightly accelerating but tends to come and go at steady speed on smooth roads.

PLEASE NO FORD VS CHEVY BS BECAUSE FORDS SUCK TOO AND HAD THESE SAME PROBLEMS LAST YEAR THAT THEY COULDNT FIX EITHER SO THEY ARE NO BETTER, THEY JUST REDESIGNED A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT HAD ISSUES WHICH IM SURE CHEVY WILL DO AS WELL

this thread is created for chevy owners to compare notes and talk about what was done to their trucks and what worked for them or still hasn't fixed the problems.

near as I can tell its a common problem on something like 75-80% of all the new trucks and even if you don't notice it right away many notice it after putting a few hundered miles on their trucks.

there is a lot of info out there on the web about complaints but no sign its a common cause or solutions since a few things work as a fix for some but not others.

from my limited research over the past few days this my estimate of what the reports on the vibration issues are related to:

20% are fixed by the owner buying new tires of a different brand at their own expense (getting rid of the goodyear or bridgestones they come with)
30% are fixed by dealer rebalancing, realignment, and or replacing one or more tires from being out of round sometimes required as many as 6 trips to the dealer to finally be sorted out and owners still report a slight vibration that they say they can live with
10% are fixed by replacing the aluminum drive shafts (sometimes requires replacing it a second or third time to get a balanced one)
10% have the rear end gears replaced 2 or 3 times before its fixed
10% are fixed by reprograming the electronic power steering computer that sometimes freaks out on a smooth level road because it has no road input trying to make the wheels wobble and rapidly checks free play by wiggling the steering
20% are never fixed even after doing all of the things listed above and chevy has no clue whats wrong


I would like this to be a resource for chevy guys to help us all fix our own trucks since chevy has no clue what the problem is and wont try to solvre it beyond throwing a few free tire balancing and repairs your way

[Webster]

I will start out with mine:

2014 Silverado 1500 2WT
regular cab short bed
5.3L v8
3.08 gear ratio
mfg date 5/14
came with 4 miles on the truck
came with bridgestone dueler ht 684II tires 255/70R17
steel rims with the "chrome look" ss hubcaps
bought 8/27/14


I first noticed it on the ride home but put 230 miles to see if it was a flat spot tire before i went to dealer when it didn't go away.

dealer confirmed they felt the vibration and stated the tires had gflat spots that needed to be worked out and chevy policy was the truck needed to have 500 miles on it before they would replace the tires. they also agreed to comp me a full tank of gas to go run the truck to reach 500 miles. I think he lied to me but he claimed they would replace all 4 tires with new ones and check the front end alignment at that time. I think he lied because from what I read they only replace one tire at a time until its decent enough to claim they no longer feel the vibration that people dsay it still has with thos dealer tires on it.

in researching I see the bridgstone dueler ht tires and the goodyear tires have many complaints about vibration issues just from buying them unrelated to the vehicle they go on so its safe to say stock tires are crap either way even if they aren't the main issue.

[Sailor Steve]

PLEASE NO FORD VS CHEVY BS BECAUSE FORDS SUCK TOO AND HAD THESE SAME PROBLEMS LAST YEAR THAT THEY COULDNT FIX EITHER SO THEY ARE NO BETTER, THEY JUST REDESIGNED A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT HAD ISSUES WHICH IM SURE CHEVY WILL DO AS WELL
Won't get that from me. My two favorites were a 1965 Chevy Panel Truck and a 1994 Ford Escort Wagon. Well, I actually haven't ever owned a car I didn't like. But to the point.

10% are fixed by reprograming the electronic power steering computer that sometimes freaks out on a smooth level road because it has no road input trying to make the wheels wobble and rapidly checks free play by wiggling the steering
Can we argue about computer-controlled everything vs good old-fashioned mechanical links?

in researching I see the bridgstone dueler ht tires and the goodyear tires have many complaints about vibration issues just from buying them unrelated to the vehicle they go on so its safe to say stock tires are crap either way even if they aren't the main issue.
Shouldn't the car manufacturer be getting the tire maker involved in this? And no, I'm not going to make a joke about one tire maker vs another.

At least not another one.

[Wolferz]

Sorry to hear about your troubles, Webster.
Yeah, the factory mounted tires suck rocks.
Those are usually shipped to the factory very tightly banded to pallets which can damage the sidewalls of any tires that have the band cinched up against them. You and I both know that they are probably buying the cheapest tires they can get their hands on.:-?
I'm afraid that your only relief may be to go the one tire at a time route until they find the culprit, which does leave the possibility of having another shipping damaged tire put on in place of the bad one or it could be an out of round rim but, balancing should fix that. There is still a whole laundry list of other items that can cause a noticeable vibration.
Do you feel it in the steering wheel or in the seat of your pants?
A good mechanic should move the tires one at a time and recheck to see if the vibration moves to narrow things down.

If all else fails, check your state for a Lemon law if you need to make more than four trips to the dealer and they still can't fix it, you may be able to force them to give you another truck and pass yours off to another sap... err...customer.

[Buddahaid]

I don't understand why if it's a wheel/tire issue they don't spin balance them. It should be plain to see if the vibration picks up at a certain speed.

[Webster]

Sorry to hear about your troubles, Webster.
Yeah, the factory mounted tires suck rocks.
thanks

Do you feel it in the steering wheel or in the seat of your pants?
A good mechanic should move the tires one at a time and recheck to see if the vibration moves to narrow things down.

If all else fails, check your state for a Lemon law if you need to make more than four trips to the dealer and they still can't fix it, you may be able to force them to give you another truck and pass yours off to another sap... err...customer.

its a little bit in the steering and a little more in the seats so I would say it "feels" like both a back and front issue or an alignment thing though they swear an alignment is just if it pulls to one side which is BS because if tires both face in or both face out then it can cause tires to vibrate or shimmy and that is a viable option they shouldn't just dismiss offhand.

you can tell they are in damage control mode and just trying to do the least while waiting for "guidance" from GM on how to lie about these problems that "almost" all their trucks are having


I don't understand why if it's a wheel/tire issue they don't spin balance them. It should be plain to see if the vibration picks up at a certain speed.

they did and they told me they were balanced fine but its flat spots in the tire from sitting on the lot too long not moving :stare: so I need to put 500 miles on it and if the vibration was still there then and only then they would replace the tires but chevy wouldn't pay to do that until I had 500 miles on the truck



if anyone is surprised by hearing this stuff, google 2014 Silverado vibration issues and you will see this is a huge widespread problem yet nothing is said about it on the news at all

if you know anyone thinking about buying a new truck tell them NOT to buy a 2014 Silverado of any kind

if you know anyone looking to buy new truck tires tell them NOT to but goodyears or bridgestones and google them to see why everyone complains about them being crap

[Wolferz]

Gee Webster,
It sounds like you've stepped into a huge pile of Government Motors scat.

The jerks took a bailout from Obama and they still keep using parts made in China and charging retail price for them.:stare: After the ignition switch debacle and all of the denials about people getting killed in their Chinese cars, I don't think I'll ever touch another GM vehicle. My '95 Silverado has turned into a total rust bucket that is being held together by the paint. I guess they started skipping the zinc dip a long time ago in an effort to make enough money to pay the exorbitant salaries of their upper management.
But, mine still runs like a scalded dog because I'm the only one who works on it.:haha: The dealers stopped hiring mechanics in favor of cheaper part replacers. They are kind of forced into that corner because GM charges a dealership through the nose for everything. Most of it mandatory.:hmmm:

The dealers aren't going to cut their bottom line by making warranty repairs they might not get paid for.

If it were me, I'd be talking to a lawyer about your state Lemon Law and get my money back to go buy a Dodge Ram or a Toyota Tacoma..

[Stealhead]

The truth is in this day and age when you buy a new car/truck it is hit or miss might be good might be junk. Never have been a big fan of buying new myself. I have never owned a brand new vehicle. If you do buy new I'd avoid a "new model" year where they have made notable changes to the design best to wait a year or two if you must buy new let the bugs get worked out.

I always buy used I prefer to buy a vehicle that has between 50 and 70K on it. Honestly never been a fan of GM over the past 15 years or so.

[Webster]

If it were me, I'd be talking to a lawyer about your state Lemon Law and get my money back to go buy a Dodge Ram or a Toyota Tacoma..

ford and dodge are just as bad so it would be a Tacoma for my next one, I just prefer regular cabs and they no longer make regular cab tacomas, you cant even special order one.

as to lemon law in Louisiana you need a record of 4 unsuccessful repairs for the same problem then it takes 8 months to a year to finally get resolution which is just to force them to give you a replacement vehicle with equal or greater value and equipt so the only way to get your money back is if they no longer make the vehicle or you can convince the judge they cant give you a vehicle that wont still have the same problem.

whats worse is at some point in the repair process they sent a GM representative to test and measure the vibration while you drive and no matter how bad it vibrates he will lie and say the meter didn't register anything and "all the trucks do it" so its a normal condition, and once that happens as far as GM is concerned its case closed and your SOL because unless its a road safety issue that makes it so you cant drive it then its not something the "have to" fix so just because it drives like crap and vibrates doesn't mean its not safe to drive so its not covered by warranty since its not a defect but its called "normal" for all the trucks.

long story short a design defect that makes it drive or feel like crap is not a safety issue you can sue over.

basic solution I see is let them try the list of things that work for some people and pray im one of the lucky ones and it fixes mine, if not aftyer 4 repairs file a lemon law claim and the usually offer to swap the truck out for another one and that's ok with me IF the other one doesn't vibrate.

if all of the above isn't resolving the situation then it will be this time next year so I will go trade it in on a leftover 2015 as they put em on sale to make room for the new 2016's

if you wonder how wide spread this is look at the GM forums complaints http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topic/153186-shake-or-vibration-issues/ it starts when they first came out last year and goes on for 185 pages of em to get caught up to recent posts like today. its amazing what these guys have gone through and how some were treated by GM

but look on the bright side, chevy has some super great deals on the remaining 2014 silverados still in stock so you can get one real cheap right now :down:

[Wolferz]

but look on the bright side, chevy has some super great deals on the remaining 2014 silverados still in stock so you can get one real cheap right now :down:
Still too rich for my blood.:o I won't give my money to a company that has basically become a Chinese automaker.:down:

In their quest to meet EPA fuel usage guidelines, the new vehicles are being stripped of the tried and true technologies like hydraulic steering.
Just like always, our government has stuck their finger in our pie and swirled it into mush.:down:

[Webster]

yep, in fact im thinking in the end this will turn out to be a combination of cheap crappy tires and a problem with the electronic power steering but then im also thinking it could turn out to be a driveshaft alignment thing too.

im a little surprised not to hear others here mentioning this problem as well but maybe we just don't have any other members who own the 2014 silverados

[Buddahaid]

Not a truck person as I have very little need for one and I like getting 40 mpg combined. :woot:

[Wolferz]

Not a truck person as I have very little need for one and I like getting 40 mpg combined. :woot:

Did your car come filled with saltine crackers?:03::O:

[Buddahaid]

Did your car come filled with saltine crackers?:03::O:

A bit more fun than that and I have a 40.1 mpg average over the 45,000 miles I've logged. Admittedly mostly highway but also at 70mph. I love the manual transmission. Light clutch pedal and great gear selector. I like how just pushing forward from neutral selects 3rd and back selects fourth. Third is the gear you need when making right angle turns from a street and she'll cruise along at 30mph in top if the ground is level.
http://automobiles.honda.com/cr-z/exterior-360-view.aspx

[Wolferz]

A bit more fun than that and I have a 40.1 mpg average over the 45,000 miles I've logged. Admittedly mostly highway but also at 70mph. I love the manual transmission. Light clutch pedal and great gear selector. I like how just pushing forward from neutral selects 3rd and back selects fourth. Third is the gear you need when making right angle turns from a street and she'll cruise along at 30mph in top if the ground is level.
http://automobiles.honda.com/cr-z/exterior-360-view.aspx

I hear ya. Honda does make good cars.:up: They'll last a long time too, as long as you don't abuse them. The first GM dealer I worked for also sold Hondas and back then their Accords couldn't be produced fast enough to meet the demand for them. Many owners had to get on a waiting list for as long as six months.

I digress, back to Webster's troubles...

Without physically taking your truck for a test drive I can't really diagnose the problem with any degree of accuracy. I can spit out a laundry list as long as my arm of possible causes, but that won't help you much.

Hopefully you never see a problem like the one I found on a customer's new Caprice. He complained of a banging noise coming from the back of the car every time he made a turn. He wasted his time at six different dealers before bringing it to me. I took her out for a spin and sure enough there was a banging noise coming from the right quarter panel sail area. I pulled the car straight into the body shop and had them cut that section open with an air chisel and we found a glass Coke bottle dangling on a string tied to a nut in there. The bottle had been heated just enough to shove the nut down the neck. There was also a little note in there that read; "HA HA HA You finally found me!":-?

Assembly line work gets a tad boring I guess.

[Webster]

Hopefully you never see a problem like the one I found on a customer's new Caprice. He complained of a banging noise coming from the back of the car every time he made a turn. He wasted his time at six different dealers before bringing it to me. I took her out for a spin and sure enough there was a banging noise coming from the right quarter panel sail area. I pulled the car straight into the body shop and had them cut that section open with an air chisel and we found a glass Coke bottle dangling on a string tied to a nut in there. The bottle had been heated just enough to shove the nut down the neck. There was also a little note in there that read; "HA HA HA You finally found me!":-?

Assembly line work gets a tad boring I guess.

or a repo, my last truck was a repo from the next state over with 300 miles on it. I know its a repo because they filled the airbox smack full of oak leaves so I finally checked the air filter to see why my mileage and power sucked and boom leaves came pouring out.

you are probably right about the bottle being assembly line but they also lie and sell repos as new vehicles if they have limited miles on them.

they got me because they got it from Mississippi and said it had to be driven to new Orleans so that's where the miles came from :shifty:

near as I could tell the guy never made the payments so they took it back and resold it to me still claiming it as new but of course I cant prove anything but its kinda obvious it wasn't new with it full of leaves since there are no trees on the car lot and the leaves can only get in there if put there by hand. im just glad that's all he did to it but if he did put anything in the gas it never hurt anything

[AVGWarhawk]

I will start out with mine:

2014 Silverado 1500 2WT
regular cab short bed
5.3L v8
3.08 gear ratio
mfg date 5/14
came with 4 miles on the truck
came with bridgestone dueler ht 684II tires 255/70R17
steel rims with the "chrome look" ss hubcaps
bought 8/27/14


I first noticed it on the ride home but put 230 miles to see if it was a flat spot tire before i went to dealer when it didn't go away.

dealer confirmed they felt the vibration and stated the tires had gflat spots that needed to be worked out and chevy policy was the truck needed to have 500 miles on it before they would replace the tires. they also agreed to comp me a full tank of gas to go run the truck to reach 500 miles. I think he lied to me but he claimed they would replace all 4 tires with new ones and check the front end alignment at that time. I think he lied because from what I read they only replace one tire at a time until its decent enough to claim they no longer feel the vibration that people dsay it still has with thos dealer tires on it.

in researching I see the bridgstone dueler ht tires and the goodyear tires have many complaints about vibration issues just from buying them unrelated to the vehicle they go on so its safe to say stock tires are crap either way even if they aren't the main issue.

Webster,

The Bridgestone Dueler HT tires are ok tires and likely not your issue. We never experienced flat spots or vibration issues. Furthermore, flat spots are really a thing of the past and mostly affects bias ply tires. The newer radial design is far superior. These tires would have to sit for years to really develop a flat spot. However, as the Duelers wear the sipes are no longer useful at the edge of the tread face and they become dangerous in the rain. Hydoplane is a problem with these crap tires. I had a set on my wife's truck. It was all over the road when the tread sipes on the shoulder were worn enough to not allow water to channel off. I dropped them like a bad habit and installed a set of Cooper's. Damn fine tire. As far as the tire balance..if the "mechanic' is worth his weight he should be able to find and fix any lateral run out the tire if there is any present. Also, sometimes a tire requires to be spun 180 degrees on the wheel to help set the bead evenly and prevent run out. All of this sounds great but I suspect the tires are not the issue.

Ok, the vibration issue. GM is famous for letting their cars and trucks leave the factory without a balance on the drums and or rotors. These items do spin and require to be balanced. I spent 2 years chasing a vibration that would shake the passenger seat at 45mph. I replaced the rims and tires. I worked at Goodyear at the time and did the work myself. Therefore the balance was dead on! The vibration persisted. After many miles and baffled I narrowed it down to the right rear wheel assembly. Removal of the wheel and checking for balance found no issue. Further inspection of the drum revealed no balance weight on the drum. The drum was replaced by GM and the vibration was gone.

Try to pin point the location of the vibration. Hard to do but after many miles of you butt shaking you can pin point it.

And a final note....the GM product of mine that vibrated like 25 cent whore house bed was the last GM product that I purchased. The vehicle was a disgrace.

Sorry you got stuck with this GM problem. I can understand you frustration. I was very frustrated with mine. Don't get me started on the VW Passat I had. :/\\!!

[AVGWarhawk]

or a repo, my last truck was a repo from the next state over with 300 miles on it. I know its a repo because they filled the airbox smack full of oak leaves so I finally checked the air filter to see why my mileage and power sucked and boom leaves came pouring out.

you are probably right about the bottle being assembly line but they also lie and sell repos as new vehicles if they have limited miles on them.

they got me because they got it from Mississippi and said it had to be driven to new Orleans so that's where the miles came from :shifty:

near as I could tell the guy never made the payments so they took it back and resold it to me still claiming it as new but of course I cant prove anything but its kinda obvious it wasn't new with it full of leaves since there are no trees on the car lot and the leaves can only get in there if put there by hand. im just glad that's all he did to it but if he did put anything in the gas it never hurt anything

Sometimes squirrels will fill parts of a car or truck with leaves. The squirrels eat the wiring of my wife's uncles car.

[Wolferz]

or a repo, my last truck was a repo from the next state over with 300 miles on it. I know its a repo because they filled the airbox smack full of oak leaves so I finally checked the air filter to see why my mileage and power sucked and boom leaves came pouring out.

you are probably right about the bottle being assembly line but they also lie and sell repos as new vehicles if they have limited miles on them.

they got me because they got it from Mississippi and said it had to be driven to new Orleans so that's where the miles came from :shifty:

near as I could tell the guy never made the payments so they took it back and resold it to me still claiming it as new but of course I cant prove anything but its kinda obvious it wasn't new with it full of leaves since there are no trees on the car lot and the leaves can only get in there if put there by hand. im just glad that's all he did to it but if he did put anything in the gas it never hurt anything

Nope, it wasn't a repo. I've seen air cleaners stuffed full of dog food. Not by human hands either. Mice and Chipmunks love little cozy homes on a carport. Especially when the dog dish is right there. :har: It is possible yours got lined as a winter residence for a rodent. But, the disgruntled owner does seem plausible too.:-? Which is really a dumb thing to do if you're ride is getting repossessed. They sell those at auction for whatever they can get and the loan holder gets left owing the difference. I lucked out on one of those deals one time, because I turned the vehicle in to them undamaged in any way. I only owed $50.00 for storage.:up:

[AVGWarhawk]

if anyone is surprised by hearing this stuff, google 2014 Silverado vibration issues and you will see this is a huge widespread problem yet nothing is said about it on the news at all




This is fairly common among all manufacturers. However, if you think 500,000 units are sold and 50,000 have this issue...doing it by the number it is not as widespread as you would think. It only becomes news when several people get injured or worse...dead. Like the ignition switch problem GM hid for a decade.

What is the LEMON LAW in your state? Some states have a law stating that a new vehicle with the same issue is addressed 3 times and not resolved the manufacturer takes the vehicle back and replaces with another and or the down payment is returned with loan paid off.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nope, it wasn't a repo. I've seen air cleaners stuffed full of dog food. Not by human hands either. Mice and Chipmunks love little cozy homes on a carport. Especially when the dog dish is right there. :har: It is possible yours got lined as a winter residence for a rodent. But, the disgruntled owner does seem plausible too.:-? Which is really a dumb thing to do if you're ride is getting repossessed. They sell those at auction for whatever they can get and the loan holder gets left owing the difference. I lucked out on one of those deals one time, because I turned the vehicle in to them undamaged in any way. I only owed $50.00 for storage.:up:

Yeah man, I have seen complete nests in cars. Usually up by the cowling. Hell, Honda had a recall on one of their models. The car apparently attracted some type of spider. Not sure how it was handled.

[Wolferz]

Our tune up guy was handed a brand new Caprice off the lot to fix after they discovered it wouldn't start. It was back in the early 80's right after GM started putting ECM computers in the cars. It was a v-6 and he discovered that it was only firing the plugs on the left bank cylinders. The right bank was totally dead. He scratched his head over that one all day. Replaced the chip twice, then replaced the ECM, again, twice and it still wouldn't run. I finally suggested that he go get another identical unit off the lot and switch the ECM's. Both ran perfectly.
Slap on the FM sticker and get them out of here.:haha:

I'm still researching your problem, Webster. I didn't forget about you.:know:
So far, I've only found one reply from an alleged GM certified master mechanic who suggests that a .033 shim needs to be placed under the motor mount on the drivers side. It is possible that normal engine vibrations could be transferred into the frame. That mount is very close to the steering connector shaft. If it hits harmonic resonance at the speeds you've indicated, coupled with road conditions, it's very possible for it to be felt a little in the steering wheel and more so through the rest of the chassis.

[Webster]

Our tune up guy was handed a brand new Caprice off the lot to fix after they discovered it wouldn't start. It was back in the early 80's right after GM started putting ECM computers in the cars. It was a v-6 and he discovered that it was only firing the plugs on the left bank cylinders. The right bank was totally dead. He scratched his head over that one all day. Replaced the chip twice, then replaced the ECM, again, twice and it still wouldn't run. I finally suggested that he go get another identical unit off the lot and switch the ECM's. Both ran perfectly.
Slap on the FM sticker and get them out of here.:haha:

I'm still researching your problem, Webster. I didn't forget about you.:know:
So far, I've only found one reply from an alleged GM certified master mechanic who suggests that a .033 shim needs to be placed under the motor mount on the drivers side. It is possible that normal engine vibrations could be transferred into the frame. That mount is very close to the steering connector shaft. If it hits harmonic resonance at the speeds you've indicated, coupled with road conditions, it's very possible for it to be felt a little in the steering wheel and more so through the rest of the chassis.

best way to describe it is it feels like a tie rod end that's got slack letting it wiggle when you hit just the right speed on a smooth road when slightly accelerating to put outward (or maybe inward) pressure on the front of the tires. at least that's what I "think" it feels like after having chased down lots of worn out front end parts over the years.

from what I read the list of GM suggested causes is:

rear end gears
shim the rear end angle for being too straight inline u-joint issues
drive shaft out of balance or twisted/out of round
electronic power steering freaking out on smooth patch of road unable to sense road feedback so it rapidly checks side to side steering slack
shimming the drivers side motor mount (I thought this was something about correcting the drive shaft alignment)
cheap grade of factory tires being out of round and tell customers its flat spots
wheels and or rims out of balance or tread/belt is crooked on the tire
its normal for trucks to shake so tell customer its supposed to be that way


What is the LEMON LAW in your state? Some states have a law stating that a new vehicle with the same issue is addressed 3 times and not resolved the manufacturer takes the vehicle back and replaces with another and or the down payment is returned with loan paid off.
here in Louisiana it takes 4 unsuccessful repairs for the same issue to force the dealer to fix or "replace" the vehicle but the key is since they can claim its not a safety issue they can get away with saying its a normal condition and not something that needs to be repaired. after that lemon law cant help you because its not a safety issue to make the vehicle unsafe or unusable. you get stuck in that grey area between whats right and the letter of the law as to what they "have to" do.

it is my understanding thou that GM dealers want a good reputation so they work out a deal on taking the truck in trade at "not much" of a loss and get you into another vehicle but that's only after you get to the lemon law part

Webster,

The Bridgestone Dueler HT tires are ok tires and likely not your issue. We never experienced flat spots or vibration issues. Furthermore, flat spots are really a thing of the past and mostly affects bias ply tires. The newer radial design is far superior. These tires would have to sit for years to really develop a flat spot. However, as the Duelers wear the sipes are no longer useful at the edge of the tread face and they become dangerous in the rain. Hydoplane is a problem with these crap tires. I had a set on my wife's truck. It was all over the road when the tread sipes on the shoulder were worn enough to not allow water to channel off. I dropped them like a bad habit and installed a set of Cooper's. Damn fine tire. As far as the tire balance..if the "mechanic' is worth his weight he should be able to find and fix any lateral run out the tire if there is any present. Also, sometimes a tire requires to be spun 180 degrees on the wheel to help set the bead evenly and prevent run out. All of this sounds great but I suspect the tires are not the issue.



well you cant believe most of what you read on the internet but from what I understand the tires they put on these factory vehicles are the lowest possible grade and NOT anything close to the ones you and I go buy at the retail tire dealers. I see comments about them being very low load and speed ratings and googling Bridgestone Dueler HT vibration out of round issues you see quite a few issues with them so there are "some" issues, the same goes for the goodyears but they also say the tires you buy don't have those issues and aren't the same as the ones on these trucks weather they are lower quality rejects or just made without the same QC as the retail tires are

bridgestone tire vibration issues: https://www.google.com/search?q=Bridgestone+Dueler+HT+vibration+out+of+ro und+issues&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gws_rd=ssl

personally I have had lots of problems with bridgestones and dangerous blowouts because I think they make the rubber too hard to claim high mileages but I never had any problem with goodyears, Uniroyal, or general tires

[em2nought]

I've never had a bad Dodge, and I've never had a good Chevy. Just for the record.

[Wolferz]

I've never had a bad Dodge, and I've never had a good Chevy. Just for the record.


Never had a Dodge lock up its front disc brakes? You're lucky.:up:

My dad was a dyed in the wool Dodge truck owner and I had to replace the bakelite caliper pistons on every one that he owned with stainless steel pistons. It happened so often, that I started automatically doing the work on every truck he purchased, before they had a chance to seize.:haha:

Oh, my Chevy truck has 168,000 miles on it and it runs like a top. Granted, the sheet metal is suffering from sodium cancer but, that comes with the territory for any vehicle you own and drive in a snowy region.

[Webster]

Never had a Dodge lock up its front disc brakes? You're lucky.:up:

My dad was a dyed in the wool Dodge truck owner and I had to replace the bakelite caliper pistons on every one that he owned with stainless steel pistons. It happened so often, that I started automatically doing the work on every truck he purchased, before they had a chance to seize.:haha:

Oh, my Chevy truck has 168,000 miles on it and it runs like a top. Granted, the sheet metal is suffering from sodium cancer but, that comes with the territory for any vehicle you own and drive in a snowy region.

my cousin has a 2005 ram 1500 and he hated it ever since he bought it.

never heard of the brake lockup thing but he did say his goes through brake pads faster then it should.

since he bought it he has had 2 tranny rebuilds, u-joints went out (all under warranty), wears tires and brakes out way too fast, guzzles gas, engine always ran rough and had a miss since day one they could never fix, and after only having it 6 years the clear coat on the roof and hood of his dark blue truck turned solid white

[Webster]

I went put another 300 miles on it today so I meet their required 500 miles to fix the tires and this time I paid super extra careful attention to the vibration and its all 100% in the seat and nothing is coming from the steering wheel, the seat was shaking me so I thought the steering had a little vibration too but with a light fingertip feel I could tell the wheel is rock solid smooth so its the back end as in rear tires or drive train issue

[AVGWarhawk]

I went put another 300 miles on it today so I meet their required 500 miles to fix the tires and this time I paid super extra careful attention to the vibration and its all 100% in the seat and nothing is coming from the steering wheel, the seat was shaking me so I thought the steering had a little vibration too but with a light fingertip feel I could tell the wheel is rock solid smooth so its the back end as in rear tires or drive train issue


Check to see if the rear rotors/drums are balanced. Maybe suggest the service manager take look or possibly replace them thus eliminating these as the possible culprit.

[Wolferz]

I went put another 300 miles on it today so I meet their required 500 miles to fix the tires and this time I paid super extra careful attention to the vibration and its all 100% in the seat and nothing is coming from the steering wheel, the seat was shaking me so I thought the steering had a little vibration too but with a light fingertip feel I could tell the wheel is rock solid smooth so its the back end as in rear tires or drive train issue

If it isn't the tires, it's the drive line.
Switching tires front to back and vice versa should narrow it down.
Otherwise it's the prop shaft or in the rear axle....
Out of balance or improperly shimmed pumpkin...
Bad yoke or ring gear, or a bad axle shaft and/or bearing.
It could also be a bad transmission mount. With many of the parts being made in China these days. It's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.:down:

[Mr Quatro]

Have you tried the same speed with a load in the back or a small towable trailer?

See how much a vibration meter would cost with a print out sd card and try a bicycle tire to strap it on and tow it for another print out along with a GoPro camera recording the event.

Send copy to dealer and GM with bottom note to attorney and USA Today.

You'll get some attention and a new 2015 with optional better tires is possible ...

Don't let them get to you is the bottom line :yep:

[Wolferz]

Yeah man, I have seen complete nests in cars. Usually up by the cowling. Hell, Honda had a recall on one of their models. The car apparently attracted some type of spider. Not sure how it was handled.

I remember that one. They provided some type of seal to prevent spider entry into the passenger cabin through the fresh air duct..

[Webster]

update:

spent 9 hours at the dealership today :/\\!!

first from 7:30 to 9 am it took for them to say GM suggested to RF balance all 4 tires. :o that's what I was told they were already going to do last time (Thursday) as soon as I put enough miles on it and it took them 90 minutes to rediscover this lost knowledge of what to do next?

so now its 9 am and of course their RF balance machine is broke so they have to bring it to another dealership to have it done but now im at the back of the line at the other dealership with like 12 people ahead of me. :nope:

around 12 they tell me the truck is back and all 4 tires were "way out" as they put it and so we test drive it and it wasn't bad but still had a slight vibration so I said to go ahead and put on a new set of tires since they offered to do that.

4 hours later the test drive now has vibration at 60 mph instead of 70 so the guy says "I guess we need to RF balance them. :stare:

what the heck, you put a new set of tires and don't balance them the way GM says you need to and this after taking 4 hours to replace 4 tires.

so now its 4:30 and too late to send it out and get it back today so I was given rental to go home and they will get it RF balanced tomorrow and if that doesn't solve it they said maybe they could try a different brand or tires on it. so far not everything they mention ends up being a real option but it does seam to be a tire issue since changing things with the tires changes the circumstances and intensity of the vibration

[Wolferz]

See Webster?
I told you they are only hiring part replacers instead of mechanics.:doh:

At least some progress was made.:up:

Somebody sprang for the good stuff.
http://www.hunter.com/balancer/

I'd put money down that your dealer is eating this repair. They'll save your old tires to put on one of their parts trucks, instead of running them through the warranty system and actually fixing the problem at the source. The tire plant in Akron, Ohio.

[Webster]

See Webster?
I told you they are only hiring part replacers instead of mechanics.:doh:

At least some progress was made.:up:

Somebody sprang for the good stuff.
http://www.hunter.com/balancer/

I'd put money down that your dealer is eating this repair. They'll save your old tires to put on one of their parts trucks, instead of running them through the warranty system and actually fixing the problem at the source. The tire plant in Akron, Ohio.

well having slept on it I think I might have messed up gambling on a new set of the same tires because what if they never get these new ones set as close to not vibrating as the last rf balance got them to be :hmm2:

but its too late now, just have to hope these are vibration free

[Wolferz]

well having slept on it I think I might have messed up gambling on a new set of the same tires because what if they never get these new ones set as close to not vibrating as the last rf balance got them to be :hmm2:

but its too late now, just have to hope these are vibration free

Rubber tires on autos have always been a gamble but, they're better than the old wooden spoke wheels.:up:

[Sailor Steve]

Rubber tires on autos have always been a gamble but, they're better than the old wooden spoke wheels.:up:
HEY! Wooden spoked wheels are great, as long as don't travel much faster than a man can walk.:O:

[Wolferz]

HEY! Wooden spoked wheels are great, as long as don't travel much faster than a man can walk.:O:

Or no faster than a team of horses can pull. Though I think the muleskinners who hauled nitro might beg to differ.:huh: One broken spoke and talk about a catastrophic flat tire!!!

We found the driver. He's in this here bloody burlap bag.

Forget the coffin, get a mason jar.

[Webster]

anyways, back on topic.

I got the truck back today after they were "supposed to" RF balance the four tires they said they replaced.

as it turns out, it says on the paperwork that they just swapped tires out with another truck on the lot and sent it off to southern tire to be balanced but nothing was mentioned on the paperwork about it being a RF balance.

it was raining when I picked it up so no test drive, anyway on the way home it is still vibrating but not much (about like the last time I was tempted to let it go and keep it) but when I got home I took a good look at the tires they put on just to see if they were different tires but I cant tell if they swapped them all or just one or two.

the big problem was right there in my face, my truck has steel wheels with ss hubcaps and they clamped the wheel weights right over the hub caps locking them onto the rim!

it has a center cap you take off first before you can pull the outer ring off but they removed just the center caps to balance it and hammered the weights right over the hubcap as though it was the rim.

things are definitely looking very hinky at this point so im gonna call souther tire and see if they even have a RF balance machine because at this poinnt it wouldn't surprise me to find out they don't.

I got receipts for 2 repairs on same problem and Monday will be #3 so I guess they get 2 more tries before lemon law kicks in

[Wolferz]

What a bunch of moroons!:-?

Probably took your ride to the local Walmart tire and auto center to save some money. Those shops only have the standard electric spin balancers.
No Road force whatsoever.:down: Probably the same story at the tire shop, unfortunately.
Well, now the dealer or the tire shop can spring for some new trim rings.:doh:

I'd be absolutely livid and on the phone to GM customer service. Just to help drive down the dealer's CSI. (Customer Satisfaction Index) If that gets too low, GM will pull the franchise from the owner/s or at least refuse a new franchise to them. Next visit, when you're done chewing them a new one, ask to see all four of the NEW tires they're providing, before install. Check every tire for a noticeable dimple in the sidewalls from a shipping strap and accompany your truck to the shop where they're getting balanced. Talk about an unprofessional service department!:stare:

The only good thing I have to say about your dealer is....
At least they didn't drop it off a rack.
Yes. I've seen that happen.:timeout:

[Buddahaid]

Maybe it's a way to see if you're messing with it like the guy who kept frying a fuse on his Tesla. The complaints stops after Tesla put a tamper seal on the fuse.

[Webster]

Maybe it's a way to see if you're messing with it like the guy who kept frying a fuse on his Tesla. The complaints stops after Tesla put a tamper seal on the fuse.

don't think they would destroy around $250 worth of ss hub cap rings on purpose just to tamper proof them and besides, since I drove it off the lot after buying it, they have had the truck in their parking lot longer then I have had it in my driveway so not much chance I could mess with anything.

I also noticed the mileage changed a lot and since I dropped it off at the dealer they put 65 miles on the truck so I have to see whats up with that because someone was driving around in my new truck because I cant see more then 10-15 miles at the most used if they had to go all the way across town to get it balanced and I don't think they should have put more then 5 miles on it the whole time.

im assuming its not the dealer and guessing its the tire place was using it for running errands but maybe it was the dealer who knows. its not like I can prove who did it and its not the end of the world but I will be raising hell about it.

without having asked the specific details of what they were doing, as far as I understood what happened, I dropped it off with 525 miles on it then it went straight to the tire place and back to the dealer with maybe a 1 or 2 mile round trip test drive after. when I was about a mile or two from the dealer and too late to turn around I saw it was reading 590 miles.

[Wolferz]

If they tried to balance the wheels on the vehicle, it would add mileage and might also explain the weights on your trim rings. Though, generally, the old fashioned balancing equipment requires that a special tool be clamped to the rim and that can't be done with a trim ring still attached.

Either way, they're taking your truck to Disneyland for some Mickey Mouse BS repair. At any rate, If their shop isn't completely enclosed, you could loiter about outside their garage bays and watch what they're doing.:nope:

You're not too far away from a Lemon Law suit at the moment. If they do have the audacity to claim that it isn't a safety issue, they're full of crap. Bad things can happen when a tire comes apart at speed.:huh:

Definitely demand a new set of tires that have never been mounted on a rim. This switching wheels from another truck is an attempt to sweep a potentially catastrophic problem under the proverbial rug. Don't let them get away with it.

[Webster]

todays update:

dropped the truck off this morning, the guy said they put the miles on the truck test driving it and sometimes put as much as 100 miles on them for problems like this to be sure they fixed the problem. :hmmm: yet they keep saying they don't feel it anymore and its fixed when its not :06:

as to the hubcap trim ring, the parts guy showed it to me in the computer and the rim asnd trim ring are one unit in two pieces that are bonded together at the factory so they don't come apart separately and that's why the weight was put on the outside but they will send it back and have them rebalance it with only putting weights on the back side so it doesn't show on the outside.

on the way in today I noticed a wheel hop issue at 40 mph and the service guy admitted he felt it too but he said that's just how short bed trucks do because of the suspension :huh:. I explained the truck did not do this before with the other set of tires they had on the truck at first and in fact all I ever owned was several new short bed trucks and they don't bounce or hop unless the road causes it and on smooth flat even roads with fresh blacktop there will not do that just because of tight suspension.

left with rental truck again and i'll see what happens this time.

repair #3 for the same vibration problem is in progress
http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/images/misc/progress.gif

[Wolferz]

If the weights caused any cosmetic damage to the trim, that's grounds for a new set of rims.:-?

I'm still having trouble believing that they would bond trim rings directly to a wheel rim. But, I've seen stranger things. Like a four cylinder motor with two sets of spark plugs. The secondary set couldn't be replaced unless the motor was pulled out of the doghouse. Adding a $700.00 bill to a tune up.:down:
What the heck has GM done, hired Ford engineers!?!?

Good luck with the repair.

[Webster]

If the weights caused any cosmetic damage to the trim, that's grounds for a new set of rims.:-?

I'm still having trouble believing that they would bond trim rings directly to a wheel rim. But, I've seen stranger things. Like a four cylinder motor with two sets of spark plugs. The secondary set couldn't be replaced unless the motor was pulled out of the doghouse. Adding a $700.00 bill to a tune up.:down:
What the heck has GM done, hired Ford engineers!?!?

Good luck with the repair.

well I saw a printout of the parts film where they only two 17" wheels were the mag and the steel wheel with ss trim and it only shows it as one part number, there is no part number or anything that shows the trim as a separate part. at this point all I have to go on is what he showed me and told me and I cant see a clear separation or anything where you can see movement or separation between the trim and the wheel.

this is it, mine is part #1, its a plain old fashioned regular black steel rim on the inside with a ss overlay trim to look and act as a hub cap style trim piece just for looks http://www.gmwholesalepartsdirect.com/index.php?i=2&model=682&make=116&year=2014&section=116&catid=30154&type=parts&subcatid=&item_collision=1&items=none&image=GH14266&catid=30154

and this is what they actually look like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Four-2014-Chevy-Silverado-Tahoe-Sub-Factory-17-Chrome-Clad-Wheels-Rims-OEM-5655-/221541598359?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item3394e88497&vxp=mtr

and yep, I have seen some of those crazy cars too, I have seen some rear wheel drive cars like that where you had to undo the motor mount on one side and jack up that side a few inches to be able to access the plugs for a tuneup lol

[Wolferz]

well I saw a printout of the parts film where they only two 17" wheels were the mag and the steel wheel with ss trim and it only shows it as one part number, there is no part number or anything that shows the trim as a separate part. at this point all I have to go on is what he showed me and told me and I cant see a clear separation or anything where you can see movement or separation between the trim and the wheel.

this is it, mine is part #1, its a black steel rime with a ss overlay trim to look like a hubcap http://www.gmwholesalepartsdirect.com/index.php?i=2&model=682&make=116&year=2014&section=116&catid=30154&type=parts&subcatid=&item_collision=1&items=none&image=GH14266&catid=30154

and this is what they actually look like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Four-2014-Chevy-Silverado-Tahoe-Sub-Factory-17-Chrome-Clad-Wheels-Rims-OEM-5655-/221541598359?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item3394e88497&vxp=mtr

and yep, I have seen some of those crazy cars too, I have seen some rear wheel drive cars like that where you had to undo the motor mount on one side and jack up that side a few inches to be able to access the plugs for a tuneup lol
On Some of the older Mustangs with the big V-8, you had to cut holes in the wheel wells to get to the plugs because the exhaust manifolds were right up against the wells. I never worked on a Ford that didn't make me cuss and throw tools. It sounds like GM has turned down Idiot Lane too.:down:

[Webster]

On Some of the older Mustangs with the big V-8, you had to cut holes in the wheel wells to get to the plugs because the exhaust manifolds were right up against the wells. I never worked on a Ford that didn't make me cuss and throw tools. It sounds like GM has turned down Idiot Lane too.:down:

my brother had the mach 1 fastback (early 70's) so yep he had to go in from the wheel well to get em lol

[Wolferz]

my brother had the mach 1 fastback (early 70's) so yep he had to go in from the wheel well to get em lol

I never understood how anyone could back one of those up. You couldn't see squat out the rear window. You had to feel your way. :haha:

My '95 Silverado 5.0L has a tough plug boot on the #6 cylinder. It's right behind the dipstick tube and it's difficult to pull loose after 40k miles, much less the recommended 60k interval or was it 100k? I'll have to check the service chart in the manual.:hmmm:

[Webster]

ok, I got the truck back and they said they felt it but they didn't do anything at all to the truck because everything was normal and is working fine, this is what the service ticket said:


A CS FEELS HOP IN VEHICLE AT 40 MPH SEE HISTORY
0400 NORMAL OPERATION N/C

627 TEST DROVE VEHICLE AND FOUND COMPLAINT TO BE NORMAL FOR A SHORT WHEEL BASE TRUCK. CUSTOMER ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHEEL WEIGHTS ON OUTSIDE OF CHROME CLAD RIMS NEEDING TO BE REMOVED IF HE HAD A FLAT. INFORMED CUSTOMER THAT WHEEL IS CHROME CLAD AND THAT CHROME COVER IS NOT TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF IT BEING BONDED TO STEEL WHEEL. CUSTOMER TO RETURN TO DRIVE WITH DMA.

**********************************************

B RENTAL LOANER VEHICLE FOR ONE DAY
100 INTS N/C

**********************************************

C** C/S HE FEELS VIBRATION AROUND 60-70 MPH
0400 TIRES N/C

627 TEST DROVE VEHICLE AT SPEEDS NOTED WITH NO VIBRATION FELT. DID FEEL ROAD SURFACE AND EXPANSION JOINTS IN ROADWAY.

********************************************** so in other words, they aren't going to fix anything

[Wolferz]

It looks like they just gave you the old single finger weather gesture and kicked sand in your face while stepping on your picnic sandwiches.:down:
I have a short bed and never experienced any wheel hop. The only short bed truck I ever had a problem with was a Ford. At certain highway speeds, the front wheels would start wobbling and you had to stop to cure it.
What's next?
A call to GM?
A visit to a Toyota dealer?
Get yourself one of these puppies?

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/th-1.jpg

A real man's pickup truck.:rock:

If your dealer slapped one of their stickers on your ride, I'd peel it off poste haste and replace it with some negative advertising pinstriped across the entire tailgate.:stare:

[Webster]

It looks like they just gave you the old single finger weather gesture and kicked sand in your face while stepping on your picnic sandwiches.:down:
I have a short bed and never experienced any wheel hop. The only short bed truck I ever had a problem with was a Ford. At certain highway speeds, the front wheels would start wobbling and you had to stop to cure it.
What's next?
A call to GM?
A visit to a Toyota dealer?
Get yourself one of these puppies?

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/th-1.jpg

A real man's pickup truck.:rock:

If your dealer slapped one of their stickers on your ride, I'd peel it off poste haste and replace it with some negative advertising pinstriped across the entire tailgate.:stare:

that's a little more truck then I need lol


next i'll try my local dealership and give them a chance to fix it. I hope they give it a try and not refuse to take it until after the DMA which means a GM rep rides with you to say he witnessed nothing wrong and its all in your mind.

if I can get it into a 4th repair, weather they do anything or not to it im pretty sure it will qualify for lemon law but since it is greatly improved from how bad it originally was I can see where they will try to to say im just being too picky. right now it always rides like its on a rough road surface even on smooth blacktop and the vibrations are not dramatic in any way to spill your coffee but they are still there and the wheel hop like sensation @ 40 mph is something new that only showed up after they started messing with it.

I will go out in a fresh state of mind and do some testing today and try to record things I notice because I am pretty sure I will soon need to start explaining things in detail to higher ups somewhere in the chain of command

[Wolferz]

:-?I only wish I could take it for a test drive, Webster. Then go to the dealer with you so I could look those morons in the eye and sternly say "BS!"
To their explanations.

If you told them you had an identical truck at home that doesn't have this problem... They'd say; "Bring it in and we'll fix it":o

PS: Considering the exorbitant prices on their current line of trucks made with Chinese parts, I'd say that you have every right to be picky. The Celestials just don't care about quality and might just be ordered by their government to provide sub-standard and unsafe products in all of their industries. We've seen it with the toys they make and other things more often than what should be reasonable.

[Webster]

:-?I only wish I could take it for a test drive, Webster. Then go to the dealer with you so I could look those morons in the eye and sternly say "BS!"
To their explanations.

If you told them you had an identical truck at home that doesn't have this problem... They'd say; "Bring it in and we'll fix it":o

PS: Considering the exorbitant prices on their current line of trucks made with Chinese parts, I'd say that you have every right to be picky. The Celestials just don't care about quality and might just be ordered by their government to provide sub-standard and unsafe products in all of their industries. We've seen it with the toys they make and other things more often than what should be reasonable.

well not to seam racist but they are assembled in mexico now so there is no way to know what level of quality control there is but by my own personal expectations I automatic raise eyebrows at the quality of anything made or assembled in mexico or china with mexico being the better of the two but not by much.

I just keep reading how people get vibration issues just like mine after they raise or lower their trucks because they get the drive train angles out of whack. makes me wonder if this is the true problem caused by bad geometry they cant fix without a complete redesign and realignment of all the drive train component mounts.

my retest today confirms a wheel (hop, wobble, bounce) take your pick, at 35-45 mph most noticed at 38 mph and a vibration starting sometimes at 60 mph but mostly starts at 65 mph through 75 mph most noticed at 68 mph.

best way to describe the overall ride of this thing is it rides like you are on a rough road surface while you are on smooth blacktop but when you are on a rough road surface it still rides exactly the same.

gave my niece a ride home today on a 45 mph smooth blacktop road and she said she was getting sea sick with all the bouncing and wanted to know what was wrong with the road lol.

[Stealhead]

well not to seam racist but they are assembled in mexico now so there is no way to know what level of quality control there is but by my own personal expectations I automatic raise eyebrows at the quality of anything made or assembled in mexico or china with mexico being the better of the two but not by much.

It all depends on the factory and the workers one can have fairly good quality and one might not. There are plenty of crap workers in the US though. My uncles back in the 60's would work the winter months in Detroit. Lets just say that you hopped that the union workers where in a good mood the day your ride was put together. With a vehicle the thing might be put together just fine during final assembly but might have poor quality components. At the final assembly line they have to make so many in a day so they really do not have the time to check every part. Could also be the fault of crappy design. Could also be that the shop you went to does not know how to or does not care to actually perform challenging repairs.

As the old military joke goes "remember all of your gear is made by the lowest bidding contractor". That applies to anything mass produced really. Over the years as Americans(and the rest of 1st world nations) have become more and more throw away societies there is less and less incentive to produce a product that will last. Add on to that the fact that most companies are chasing every dollar that that can which usually means less concern about quality and more about quantity. Look at the pay that most factories give to workers it certainly does not promote quality.

[Buddahaid]

As unpatriotic as it may seem to some, one of the reasons I like my Honda is that their hybrids are made in Osaka for quality control reasons.

[Stealhead]

As unpatriotic as it may seem to some, one of the reasons I like my Honda is that their hybrids are made in Osaka for quality control reasons.

The entire goal of a business should be to produce a superior product if they fail to do this they deserve exactly what they get. That really in my mind has nothing to do with patriotism. If an American made product meets the quality I expect then I will buy it if not I wont. Simple as that.

[Webster]

It all depends on the factory and the workers one can have fairly good quality and one might not. There are plenty of crap workers in the US though. My uncles back in the 60's would work the winter months in Detroit. Lets just say that you hopped that the union workers where in a good mood the day your ride was put together. With a vehicle the thing might be put together just fine during final assembly but might have poor quality components. At the final assembly line they have to make so many in a day so they really do not have the time to check every part. Could also be the fault of crappy design. Could also be that the shop you went to does not know how to or does not care to actually perform challenging repairs.

As the old military joke goes "remember all of your gear is made by the lowest bidding contractor". That applies to anything mass produced really. Over the years as Americans(and the rest of 1st world nations) have become more and more throw away societies there is less and less incentive to produce a product that will last. Add on to that the fact that most companies are chasing every dollar that that can which usually means less concern about quality and more about quantity. Look at the pay that most factories give to workers it certainly does not promote quality.

well I guess it came out wrong, I didnt mean just because they were Mexican or Chinese that that was a problem.

what I meant by my statement was that in those countries workers are treated like crap and hardly paid anything and work in unsafe horrible conditions with inferior equipt to do the job most of the time so it conditions like that it is hard to put out a quality product no matter the skill level or personal pride of the workers doing the work.

As unpatriotic as it may seem to some, one of the reasons I like my Honda is that their hybrids are made in Osaka for quality control reasons.

the ONLY reason I didn't buy the Toyota was they don't make regular cab trucks anymore. IMO Toyota is the highest quality vehicle made today compared to all the rest.

if I can get out of this chevy vibrator I bought im going buy a Toyota 5 minutes later, may wait till end of year and trade it in taking the loss if I cant get a GM buy back but im not keeping a vibrating truck for the next 15-20 years because thats how long I keep my trucks

[Wolferz]

My elder brother owned a Toyota pickup. After a few years, he couldn't wait to trade it in on a Chevy. YMMV

You may be at the end of your rope to the point of just biting the bullet and replacing the wheels and tires with some better quality goods from the aftermarket sector. Again, YMMV.:hmmm:

Have a look at...
http://www.carid.com/

You can always sell the old ones and their selection of rims is bound to make your ride look better than that factory crud.:yeah:

[Webster]

went take a ride with the boat hooked up today and it has the same vibrations acting the same way so wouldn't that rule out their bogus agreement that its the way shortbeds ride im feeling since the rear suspension is under tension so it cant be bouncing from the smooth road its on.

if new tires and rims will definitely 100% solve the issue then I wouldn't mind eating baloney for 6 months and buying them just to fix it myself but I really cant afford to do that without knowing, but I may have no other choice.

what bothers me is it could still be a rear end or drive shaft problem they haven't even looked into checking anything else but balancing tires.

I was hoping the dealer would have a set of "pulls" tires and rims that I could buy under condition they put them on first for a test drive and the vibrations are no longer there, but the dealer says they never get pulls any more because people take them home and sell them. I didn't see anything on ebay or craigs list at a decent price, most want $1,200-$1,500 for 4 tires and rims and im more thinking $500-$800 is about the most I could do and im not looking for aluminum rims but stock old styled steel wheels with the trim rings that don't get corroded when the neighbors dog pees on it and they always need polishing. I never wash my truck and at my age im way past "pretty" wheels so I want no maint basic looking wheels.

[Wolferz]

What's the tongue weight on your boat trailer? Adding weight to the very back end will usually pull weight off the front suspension and you should feel a noticeable difference in the way it drives. Unless it's a really light boat.

I just reviewed the previous posts and all of the symptoms you described about your brother's Dodge, could all be attributed to those front disc brake caliper pistons being partially seized and not retracting the pads fully.

Dodge was putting those plastic pistons in them for decades. I doubt that they've changed that practice.
A pair of stainless steel pistons will likely solve those issues.
YMMV

[Webster]

What's the tongue weight on your boat trailer? Adding weight to the very back end will usually pull weight off the front suspension and you should feel a noticeable difference in the way it drives. Unless it's a really light boat.

I just reviewed the previous posts and all of the symptoms you described about your brother's Dodge, could all be attributed to those front disc brake caliper pistons being partially seized and not retracting the pads fully.

Dodge was putting those plastic pistons in them for decades. I doubt that they've changed that practice.
A pair of stainless steel pistons will likely solve those issues.
YMMV

its only about 100 lbs but that is enough to take all the bounce out of the ride on bumpy roads and should be enough to counter their claim of its the suspension "floating" without a load and the short bed being different "bouncier" suspension then the 2 rental crew cabs I drove with no vibrations at all.

I love how they were trying to "teach me" about how short wheel drives ride differently since that's what I have driven for 35 years yet they claim I need to just "get used to it"

[Wolferz]

its only about 100 lbs but that is enough to take all the bounce out of the ride on bumpy roads and should be enough to counter their claim of its the suspension "floating" without a load and the short bed being different "bouncier" suspension then the 2 rental crew cabs I drove with no vibrations at all.

I love how they were trying to "teach me" about how short wheel drives ride differently since that's what I have driven for 35 years yet they claim I need to just "get used to it"

What's a Short wheel drive? Did they mean a four wheel drive? Yeah 4x4's do vibrate a bit more because of the transaxle that's always spinning.

There are short wheelbase trucks but no such thing as a short wheel drive.:doh::har:

Short wheelbase trucks should ride more like a car than a truck.

[Webster]

What's a Short wheel drive? Did they mean a four wheel drive? Yeah 4x4's do vibrate a bit more because of the transaxle that's always spinning.

There are short wheelbase trucks but no such thing as a short wheel drive.:doh::har:

Short wheelbase trucks should ride more like a car than a truck.

think you got mixed up there when I lost a comma or left out a word there somewhere lol

short wheel base and they were saying that's just how a short wheel (base) drives.

the short wheel base ride is opposite from the way you describe it, short base rides stiffer and so you feel more bumps, its more like a sports car feel and the long wheel base is the softer Cadillac ride. I loved my lwb truck soft ride (very first truck I owned) but I love the feel of the swb better, lwb give the smooth soft ride and swb gives you the bumpier more responsive feel and control.

im gonna drop it off in the morning to the local dealership and give them a try at fixing it so I can at least get my strike #4 for lemon law.

im sure its got to be something other then tires or even with idiot mechanics they should have fixed it after 3 different tire balances and he said he did a replacement swapped out the tires with another truck on the lot so if it was the tires it should have been fixed after all that. I think the tires were only "part" of the vibration and not the root cause of it.

drove down south 75 miles to go fishing today and its 70 mph the whole way so I was car sick by the time I got there from vibrating the whole way there.

[Wolferz]

think you got mixed up there when I lost a comma or left out a word there somewhere lol

short wheel base and they were saying that's just how a short wheel (base) drives.

the short wheel base ride is opposite from the way you describe it, short base rides stiffer and so you feel more bumps, its more like a sports car feel and the long wheel base is the softer Cadillac ride. I loved my lwb truck soft ride (very first truck I owned) but I love the feel of the swb better, lwb give the smooth soft ride and swb gives you the bumpier more responsive feel and control.

im gonna drop it off in the morning to the local dealership and give them a try at fixing it so I can at least get my strike #4 for lemon law.

im sure its got to be something other then tires or even with idiot mechanics they should have fixed it after 3 different tire balances and he said he did a replacement swapped out the tires with another truck on the lot so if it was the tires it should have been fixed after all that. I think the tires were only "part" of the vibration and not the root cause of it.

drove down south 75 miles to go fishing today and its 70 mph the whole way so I was car sick by the time I got there from vibrating the whole way there.

Ya gotta love words that you think you're writing.:03::haha:
Parse brother parse.:O:
You still must wonder what they swapped tires with. Was it another new truck or something hidden away in the back waiting to go to auction.:06:

Good luck with round four. Keep your guard up.

[Webster]

I just checked that dealers used car lot and there are 5 brand new 2014 slverados all with around 4000 miles on them. and one gmc.

http://www.bestchevrolet.com/VehicleSearchResults?pageContext=VehicleSearch&search=used select 2014 trucks chevy and gmc


the other dealers also have a similar group on their lots as well, some more some less


I wonder if it just a strange coincidence ???? hmmm :hmm2:

[Webster]

just left the local dealer (different from where I bought it) for service #4 for vibration and he said its a known issue for "some" trucks and has another truck in the shop for the same issue but GM has no recommended fix for it so they will call me when they know how to fix it, otherwise they consider it "normal" to vibrate

UPDATE: lemon law claim has been submitted

[Webster]

just heard from GM today, they are processing my complaint and will start gathering the dealership records on the repair attempts as well as have a GM rep ride in the truck with me to see the problem for himself.

from what I see on forums they always deny feeling it even if he is bouncing around so I expect my experience will be the same.

luckily from what i read, the GM rep report hasn't been a cause for them to deny any claims yet but I would guess at some point that may change when it starts costing them money to buy back large numbers of these trucks. right now I think it benefits they to quiet those who are complaining so they can continue to deny there is a problem.

I will only need a lawyer to argue with them if they try to deny the claim which I don't see where they have done that in any of these cases yet but will update when I get a result one way or the other

[Wolferz]

Unto dawn.
Even if your butt is numb from the shaking.:salute:

[Webster]

update: GM mediator said flat spots on tires are not a warranty issue so they wont buy the truck back :huh: WTF flat spots?????????? she never even read the service tickets apparently because she has no clue what has or hasn't been done to the truck and just repeated what a service manager said about it on the phone and apparently he never read any of the service tickets either because they said rioht on them in the service dept own inspection that the problem was not flat spotted tires. it would be funny if this wasn't so serious.

anyway I did two videos to document the vibrations as I prepare to get a lawyer to take them to court and force them to buy it back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5LQYCMk_e4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSl0D3AQm8&feature=em-upload_owner

[Jimbuna]

Great videos, should help in bringing about a successful outcome :sunny:

[Webster]

UPDATE:

I got a lawyer and filed lemon law in civil court now that all required attempts to go through BBB without a resolution have been done. it will be 6-8 months before I expect to hear from anyone about the truck.

I bought a 1999 Tacoma truck that I love and am very happy with it. the chevy vibrating POS is parked collecting bird poop.

all BBB is there for is to get you a trade-in for another replacement vehicle, which will also be a vibrator so they arent there to get you your money back, that's what lawyers are for. I know a guy just did the trade in thing and had to go through 23 trucks before he finally found one that doesn't vibrate. I am also aware of some guys who have done the trade in only to have the new truck start vibrating after a few thousand miles and one guy is on his 5th truck, first replacement truck started vibrating at 8k miles, the second one at 10k miles and the third was at 12k miles so he thought he was making progress until the 4th one started vibrating at 5k miles. all 4 of his replacement trucks had no vibrations when he first got them and he changed nothing on them, they just all started vibrating after several thousands miles.

[Aktungbby]

Just delivered my daughter to her new landlord in Santa Barbara and he is a just retired multi-shopowner mechanic of the first magnitude. I described your problem and showed the water cup videos to him :up: and his response was swift and direct. The problem is NOT normal and lies in the 'gel isolator' (No one uses rubber) motor-mounts on the engine subframe as a manufacturing defect which needs to be addressed by a recall notice. Essentially the isolator(s) (motor mount) flaw has misaligned the engine, causing the vibration. The engine mounts need to be loosened; the mounts reformed or replaced, and the engine 'rejigged' to alleviate the slight but excruciating misalignment.. He said your being screwed by the dealer and he is the man to know.:salute:

[Wolferz]

Sorry to hear about your truck problems. My B-in-law just bought a Chevy/GM truck, I'll have to see if he is having these issues.
Did he buy a short wheel base?

[swamprat69er]

I have had/owned 4 SWB pickups and have NEVER had the BS you are going through.

[Webster]

well just a little update (or lack there of lol)

I filed civil lawsuit claiming lemon law at the end of October and just last week I finally received a reply from gm requesting this info:

my name address and soc sec number?
date and place of birth?
age and marital status?
what was my credit rating?
what interest rate did I get?
who did I finance it with?
how much are my monthly notes?
how much is my insurance each month?
was the vehicle bought for work or personal use?
how much was the total cost after financing?
what type of vehicle did I buy from GM?
was the vehicle I bought from GM the one I have complaints about?
did I bring the vehicle in to have these issues addressed?
did I attempt to do any repairs or make any modifications to the vehicle myself or by others?
what year is the vehicle?
what is the vin number, mileage, and equipt on the vehicle?
what color is the vehicle?
do I like the looks and interior comfort of my new GM vehicle?
what seams to be my complaint about the vehicle?
what dealerships worked on the truck and their phone number and address?
what are the names, titles, and employee number, of every person who discussed, helped, or was in any way related to discussions or actual repairs related to, or directly done to or on my vehicle?
what is the name, soc sec number, personal phone number, and personal address of each employee who had any involvement in the repairs weather directly or indirectly?

so in short, they wanted to know everything that was on the paper they had in their hand while reading it to send me these questions :huh:

and then how in the hell can I answer the last 3 questions? and if I could, wouldn't I be guilty of some sort of a crime to have all that personal info on all of their employees?

now that it only took them 4 months to reply with this stupidity of information request, so I can imagine it will be another 4 months and i'll get an equally redundant and senseless request for more information they already have.

the lawyer says this is normal and its up to them if they want to be jerks about it and how hard they want to make the process so it may be the end of the year before they settle and refund my money.

[swamprat69er]

Am I to assume that you will NEVER own another GM vehicle?

[Webster]

Did he buy a short wheel base?

yes its an extended cab short wheel base

I have had/owned 4 SWB pickups and have NEVER had the BS you are going through.


yes many have no problems at all, but those 20-25% of buyers that do have vibration issues, GM is not trying to fix the trucks, GM directs the dealers to just balance the tires 3 or 4 times so it looks like they are fixing it and then say the customer is stupid and being unrealistic about ride quality because it supposed to vibrate and shake when you drive it because that's just how truck ride.

Am I to assume that you will NEVER own another GM vehicle?

no, im not going to say that, but I find it hard to believe I will anytime soon. but now I feel like I need a mechanic to do a full diagnostic on one and maybe open the engine to inspect it and do a compression check and adjust the valves on it before I ever think about buying it because they don't stand behind what they sell and flat out refuse to fix the serious vibration issues with these trucks or buy back the ones they cant fix like mine.

I used to think I would never own any other truck but GM, I bought a dozen of them over the last 30 years.

but with this truck they are acting like con artists who got your money and now are laughing in your face because you are stuck with a POS truck and they dont care. they said "we aren't going to try to fix it anymore unless you pay us $100 an hour labor to do it" so if your not going to do that and you are still not happy then sue us if you dont like your truck but we wont fix it.

I have been lied to throughout the whole process by everyone who spoke to me about the truck and then the write stuff on paper that completely contradicts reality and verbal admissions that they admitted about the truck having issues and they cant fix it. all the while treating me like I am stupid and telling me I don't know how a short bed truck rides after owning and driving them for 30 years.

they act like I have some sort of a problem for not being happy with a POS LEMON truck!

i'll just say that it will take a long time for this feeling of being cheated goes away and it will take a hell of a lot to ever make me want to buy a new GM again.

I do what makes the most logical financial sense and I leave all emotions out of buying vehicles, so I will always buy the best brand vehicle out there that is for sale at the time when I am buying a vehicle.

that said, from now on when all things are equal, or just close to being equal, GM goes to the bottom of the list and will NOT get the nod over others simply because of brand loyalty like they used to. those days are gone forever, in fact any brand but GM gets the nod over GM now unless there is a damn good reason to choose the GM over anything else.

[swamprat69er]

My money was used to bail GM out of certainly bankruptcy and to this day they have not offered me any interest on my money. I would even buy a Dodge before I bought a GM product. I would just have to teach the dog not to pee near it. I live in Ford country and if I ever have a need for another vehicle, it will be Ford for me.

[Onkel Neal]

Webs! Great video, good to meet you in a video.

Yeah, you can see the bottles are twitching pretty hard, not just the water in them but the bottles themselves, A new vehicle should be a lot smoother than that.

Haha, you did that video on my birthday last year :)

I know you paid a lot of $$ for that truck, it should be smoother than that. Man, I looked through Autotrader and trucks are expensive!

[Stealhead]

Just my two sents; get a Tacoma V6 very good well made truck. I picked up a 15 SR5 access cab 4x4 just a few weeks ago. Excellent fit and finish you can let the steering wheel go at 70mph and shell ride stright and true for several hundred feet. Bet a GM or Ford won't have that true an alignment. I know people that have kept Tacomas and the predecessor "pick up" for years and years after heavy use still keep on going. Also they are made in Texas.

Ask a dedicated Toyota truck owner (non new ride every few tears type) how much for your Yota his answer will be a firm not on your life. I tried to offer cash on a 95 Tacoma the guy said you'd have to shoot me dead to have that truck.

[Webster]

Webs! Great video, good to meet you in a video.

Yeah, you can see the bottles are twitching pretty hard, not just the water in them but the bottles themselves, A new vehicle should be a lot smoother than that.

Haha, you did that video on my birthday last year :)

I know you paid a lot of $$ for that truck, it should be smoother than that. Man, I looked through Autotrader and trucks are expensive!

tell me about it, I paid $30k for that one and it was a base model work truck with minimum accessories just what it comes with except for getting the v8 at $1800 more. I actually got a hell of a deal on it because it was going to be $35k but I talked them down to $30k after threatening to walk and even did at one point before they met my price.

if you want a fully loaded truck today they go around $50k-$60k for them. that's the definition of insanity in my book, you can almost buy some houses for that price and in fact I bought my little 2BR 1B house for $35k and spent another $20k fixing it up. (still needs another $15k thou)
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Just my two sents; get a Tacoma V6 very good well made truck. I picked up a 15 SR5 access cab 4x4 just a few weeks ago. Excellent fit and finish you can let the steering wheel go at 70mph and shell ride stright and true for several hundred feet. Bet a GM or Ford won't have that true an alignment. I know people that have kept Tacomas and the predecessor "pick up" for years and years after heavy use still keep on going. Also they are made in Texas.

Ask a dedicated Toyota truck owner (non new ride every few tears type) how much for your Yota his answer will be a firm not on your life. I tried to offer cash on a 95 Tacoma the guy said you'd have to shoot me dead to have that truck.

I actually went buy a first gen 1999 Tacoma EC SR5 with 120k miles to use as a DD while all this is going on, its a 5 lug 4 banger but I love it. I do wish it was a 6 cylinder but I went for gas mileage so I bought a 4 cylinder thinking it would be fine. a little after the fact thinking is I didn't realize just how weak the 4 was for pulling my flatboat around so I drive even more grampa-ish now that I dont have power to safely pass anyone on the road except grass cutting tractors unless I have a good mile long stretch of empty road ahead lol. plus the 4 banger has that aggravating rough idle because its a 4 banger. the irony is had I bought the taco new at the time I bought my 98 I would still have it and not have needed a new truck in the first place. my chevy dashboard cracked to pieces and wiring and ductwork was falling out onto the floor so that's why I had to trade in my old 98 Silverado, it just wasn't safe to drive it like that anymore.

when all is said and done I might look at another new truck but if I do im thinking mini truck but even the new tacomas are as big if not bigger then my old 98 Silverado was. nobody wants to make a small compact truck anymore and the ones who used to make them are making them so big now they are full sized trucks.

if I was forced to spend that $30k over again I think a frame off ground up full restoration on a first gen tacomas would be my only reasonable choice to get what I wanted in a truck.

[Stealhead]

Mine is the access cab with standard bed(only option double cab has a short bed or standard bed) wheel base is 127.4 inches for all second gen Tacos except a double cab with standard bed.

True though as you say no one makes a small pickup anymore. Toyota stopped making a true single cab in 14. Recon not enough people where buying them.

That's the thing with trucks once they became popular outside the primarily utilitarian market they started adding things to make them more appealing to a larger market. The downside of course is that you can't really buy a good simple truck anymore and not pay less than 25k.

I like mine the size is perfect for me I will use it mainly to get my mountain bike and gear out in the boonies and also for some off road exploring.

I'll bet that half of 4wd drive trucks sold rarely if ever get to see something like this.

[Stealhead]

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q527/datsun260zyojimbo/Mobile%20Uploads/CAM00952_zps6fkbuofe.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/datsun260zyojimbo/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CAM00952_zps6fkbuofe.jpg.html)

That's near Dover, Tennessee in the Land Between the Lakes Recreational Area. That's just the road you use to get to the fun roads. My Taco probably thought "thank the truck gods this dude is not some suburban dweeb"

[Webster]

That's near Dover, Tennessee in the Land Between the Lakes Recreational Area. That's just the road you use to get to the fun roads. My Taco probably thought "thank the truck gods this dude is not some suburban dweeb"

yep lol, the truck world has been taken over by the pavement princess truck buyers so things like wanting to use a truck to haul stuff with is not a priority with the designers. my 2014 silverado tailgate height is 36" off the ground and the side rail height is 5ft off the ground so try lifting something heavy over the side rail just cant be done so they make a truck you cant put anything into except from the tailgate.

I bet 80% of the 4wd sold are never even using 4wd in their entire life other then when suzy home makers back into a ditch lol.

[Stealhead]

What many do not realize is that the front drive portion of the drivetrain dose not get lubricated unless the truck is in 4 high or 4 low. You are supposed to drive in 4H at least 10 miles each month to lubricate the front portions gears. I'm sure that is why many older 4x4 have partially or non functional 4wd.

Another clue is watching them get stuck because they floor it. Exactly what you don't want to do. That or they'll sit there because the wheels spin and it can't slip into 4wd mode. While I was back there I saw a Dodge Ram headed out so I went to 4H and just drive on the muddy grass. For some reason the Ram did as well except he was just a 2WD. He floored it and got out. That was the only "off roader" I passed that did not wave. My daughter said "that guy was a little silly" I said "when you get older that is the kind of man you don't date".

[Webster]

I came back for an update to my issue.

as of 5/18/15 GM agreed to and has been ordered by the judge in writing as part of the settlement to buy back my truck at full cost plus all insurance premiums, sales taxes, and trade in value, in short, im made completely whole by this decission.

for those who missed it I went through BBB and the GM rep which was a joke and a waste of time then I finally skipped arbitration upon the advice of my lawyer who said it would only give then a preview of your argument when then denied you at arbitration and forced you to get a lawyer anyway. now arbitration will work if you want another replacement truck but if you want your money back then the arbitration person will just tell you to go take a hike.

so to wrap up:

I bought my truck in 8/27/14 and had the bad vibration they couldn't fix and wasted two months with BBB and GM rep until finally in november I had to get a lawyer and file lemon law in civil court and here I am 6 months later finally with a resolution due in no small part to the youtube video I made that GM did not want shown to a jury in open court not to mention they had to convince the jury nothing was wrong with my truck and as soon as they saw the video there was no way they would buy GMs claim there was nothing wrong with the truck.

if you are interested the video is here: https://www.youtube....h?v=ppSl0D3AQm8 (https://www.youtube....h/?v=ppSl0D3AQm8)

I pray no one else has to go through this but sadly there are thousands of people who bought lemons just like me and most just trade them in tby aking $8k-$10k in lost value to do it just to avoid fighting with GM about this.

[Wolferz]

Good to hear you got it resolved in a positive fashion.:up:

Government Motors will go the way of the Dodo bird if they don't stop making lemon vehicles out of cheap parts made in China and denying that their broken hardware has a problem. Especially when the defects are killing people!:down:

I can only hope that they don't resell that lemon to some other unsuspecting consumer.

If our government has to bail them out again because of their continuing blatant mismanagement, then it's time to seek a new government.:-?

Heck, I own a 1995 Silverado SWB 4x4 and it has never vibrated like that, even when running in FWD.

[Wolferz]

[QUOTE=Stealhead;2302119]What many do not realize is that the front drive portion of the drivetrain dose not get lubricated unless the truck is in 4 high or 4 low. You are supposed to drive in 4H at least 10 miles each month to lubricate the front portions gears. I'm sure that is why many older 4x4 have partially or non functional 4wd. [quote]

Only true for the older model vehicles ( up to the late 70's) that have a straight front axle. I owned a '77 Chevy 4x4 with the rock crusher 4 speed and the straight front axle with lock out hubs. That axle needed to be exercised every so often.
The newer ones are more like a front wheel drive transaxle setup. Those axles don't need to be exercised like the older ones did.

[Aktungbby]

So far, I've only found one reply from an alleged GM certified master mechanic who suggests that a .033 shim needs to be placed under the motor mount on the drivers side. It is possible that normal engine vibrations could be transferred into the frame. That mount is very close to the steering connector shaft. If it hits harmonic resonance at the speeds you've indicated, coupled with road conditions, it's very possible for it to be felt a little in the steering wheel and more so through the rest of the chassis. I described your problem and showed the water cup videos to him (also a master mechanic) :up: and his response was swift and direct. The problem is NOT normal and lies in the 'gel isolator' (No one uses rubber) motor-mounts on the engine subframe as a manufacturing defect which needs to be addressed by a recall notice. Essentially the isolator(s) (motor mount) flaw has misaligned the engine, causing the vibration. The engine mounts need to be loosened; the mounts reformed or replaced, and the engine 'rejigged' to alleviate the slight but excruciating misalignment.. He said your being screwed by the dealer and he is the man to know.:salute: I think your guy and my guy are on to it; but as you point out with only Chinese made 'parts replacers' instead of real mechanics....:down: $$$ considerations and the dealer profit margin are the only real considerations. FYI: this 2014 Silverado model has 13 recall notices!:down::down::down:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gALgthuURRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gALgthuURRM)

[Jimbuna]

Great to learn your sorted Webster....a long hard struggle but worth it in the end I trust :sunny:

[Mr Quatro]

This is great news Webster glad you hung in there and went all the way.

Party time :woot::up::yep:

[Onkel Neal]

So, what's next? Ford? Toyota? RAM?

[Webster]

thanks guys, while its settled and they have to buy it back, its still not over though as now I have to supply endless paperwork for the process of detailing the exact cost of everything spent so they don't dare give me a penny more then I spent.

yesterday I had to send them the late penalty info that is already spelled out on the finance agreement they already have in their hands and today they insisted I get this info in a letter head document direct from the finance company saying the website account info forms can be forged and were not "legal documents to be relied upon" in their opinion so I had to get the finance company to fax copies of their original documents to them.

it will be 3-4 weeks more of crap like this before I finally bring the truck to be inspected before we transfer the truck to them and they hand over the check.

I have a 2004 first generation Tacoma with v6 3.4 engine and 115k miles which I think is better then any new truck being sold today so im going to keep this one until one of us dies lol. (first gen tacomas were the last ones that were still made with the metal beds in them, after that they are all made with the plastic beds)

back in October I bought a 99 Tacoma with a 4 cylinder engine so I had something to use as a DD but it didn't have enough power to pull my boat an I had to drive below the speed limit when towing it so I just recently traded that one in for the 04 taco with the v6

[Onkel Neal]

I know what you mean about holding onto your vehicle. Until recently, I was driving my 2003 Suzuki XL7, had 182,000 miles and I planned to keep driving it until 2020 or until it died, which ever came first--but that car had very few mechanical issues, just a couple of O2 sensors and a window motor replaced in 12 years, so I would have kept it forever at that rate. Unlucky me, some punk kid ran into me and totally destroyed my faithful car last month. :/\\!!

[Wolferz]

I know what you mean about holding onto your vehicle. Until recently, I was driving my 2003 Suzuki XL7, had 182,000 miles and I planned to keep driving it until 2020 or until it died, which ever came first--but that car had very few mechanical issues, just a couple of O2 sensors and a window motor replaced in 12 years, so I would have kept it forever at that rate. Unlucky me, some punk kid ran into me and totally destroyed my faithful car last month. :/\\!!


Time to buy a tank?:hmmm:

[Webster]

Time to buy a tank?:hmmm:

never know what you'll find at the military surplus auctions?

there is sure to be something here for everyones taste and driving style lol


http://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1


I think this one would do nicely to solve those rush hour traffic jams http://www.milweb.net/webvert/77075

[Mr Quatro]

1 (http://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1)


I think this one would do nicely to solve those rush hour traffic jams http://www.milweb.net/webvert/77075

unless you have snow that is ... then you would need this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a9/3d/98/a93d9859296dd6e1d9b128e1082e8fb7.jpg

[Wolferz]

unless you have snow that is ... then you would need this one:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a9/3d/98/a93d9859296dd6e1d9b128e1082e8fb7.jpg

What's with the spare tire?:haha:

[Mr Quatro]

See the trailer he's towing ... :o

[Mr Quatro]

So what happen? The rest of the story please :yep:

[Webster]

So what happen? The rest of the story please :yep:

i went through 2 tacomas, 4 cylinder then a 6 cylinder, but they arent good for hauling a boat with so i ended up buying a 2006 4runner that has a V8 and rides smooth as a caddy

i finally won the lawsuit because i had video evidence. their position was brand new trucks are supposed to shake and they always did shake like that. the video i had would blown that out of the water so they agreed to full refund and clean exit so i got nothing but i was made whole again which is fine by me.

check out my video that won me my lawsuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSl0D3AQm8

[Mr Quatro]

i went through 2 tacomas, 4 cylinder then a 6 cylinder, but they arent good for hauling a boat with so i ended up buying a 2006 4runner that has a V8 and rides smooth as a caddy

i finally won the lawsuit because i had video evidence. their position was brand new trucks are supposed to shake and they always did shake like that. the video i had would blown that out of the water so they agreed to full refund and clean exit so i got nothing but i was made whole again which is fine by me.

check out my video that won me my lawsuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSl0D3AQm8

So glad you checked back in Webster ... we missed you :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Excellent result Webs :up:

[Catfish]

Seems there are a lot of issues with the Silverado series, if you look at Youtube (?) If the car was older that could have been badly-made universal joints or an unbalanced prop shaft, but they also showed dfferentials out of alignment or faulty gearboxes with newer ones :o
Happens not so often that the customer has a chance against the windmills of company management. Glad you were able to give it back :up:

[em2nought]

So the V8 in the 2006 4runners are good engines? I've got two 1998s with with 3.4L and they are a bit weak for towing. Do you find the 2006 roomier with better front seats as well? I'm not really fond of the seats in the 1998s. Adding a lumbar cushion has improved things a bit.

[Sailor Steve]

...
I hate to be rude (again), but is it really necessary to quote an entire post, including pictures, just to make one short comment? Especially when yours is the very next post?

[Sailor Steve]

Webs, I didn't see any water shaking. Maybe my teeth were chattering too much. I watched your video on YouTube as well, and I noticed one guy in the comments who said he found out what was going on and had the drive shaft "trued up". I thought "Wait a minute. You spent how much money to fix a problem that never should have been there in the first place? Did you get GM to pay for it?"

Somehow I doubt it.