Is it a Darwin?

[Tribesman]

A rather unfortunate place to be standing

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2014/08/25/arizona-girl-accidentally-shoots-shooting-instructor/14594549/

[HunterICX]

"You can't give a 9-year-old an Uzi and expect her to control it," Scott said.

No Scott, you can't give any kid a gun and expect him/her to control it.
I really don't care how well your instructors handle guns with kids, kids shouldn't be handling guns. They don't have the physical strenght to handle guns, don't have the sense of responsibility for it and to begin with they don't need them.

[Betonov]

Definitely Darwin.
I wish the gun would just hit him in the head without a bullet coming out though.

And a Baboon congresional medal for idiocy beyond for actions beyond and above the call of sanity for the parents.

[Tribesman]

I really don't care how well your instructors handle guns with kids, kids shouldn't be handling guns. They don't have the physical strenght to handle guns, don't have the sense of responsibility for it and to begin with they don't need them.
I don't agree.
Some guns are not like other guns and can be handled fine, and some kids are not like other kids when it comes to sense of responsibility.
As for need, kids don't need a skateboard either.

[HunterICX]

I don't agree.
Some guns are not like other guns and can be handled fine,

Yes, they're called Toy guns or Airsoft Guns.

and some kids are not like other kids when it comes to sense of responsibility.

No kid is the same but the fact remains that they are kids and don't give things that require more thought exactly that.

As for need, kids don't need a skateboard either.

Well a skateboard won't blow a hole in someones head.

[Wolferz]

Kids can be taught to respect firearms for what they are and what they do.
If you have firearms in your home, teaching them is the right thing to do to quell their inquisitive nature. Naturally, you keep things locked up tight when you're not around to supervise. If you do give a kid a gun, it should match their size. My wife's grandfather gave her a little .22 saddle rifle when she was six and he taught her how to hunt with it. Those lessons came in handy when she hit her teen dating years and a boy took her out to the woods to try and scare her. In the end, she wasn't the one who was scared.:haha:
That little rifle is in our gun cabinet still. Along with two .303's, several shotguns and a revolver. She knows how to use them all if the need arises.:yep:
No, I ain't skeered. I even gave her cast iron cookware.:D

[ETR3(SS)]

Irresponsible on the part of the parents and the range. But unfortunately someone had to die to make that point. :nope:

I believe that if you're going to maintain firearms in your house, it is your responsibility to educate your children about them.

[Wolferz]

Irresponsible on the part of the parents and the range. But unfortunately someone had to die to make that point. :nope:

I believe that if you're going to maintain firearms in your house, it is your responsibility to educate your children about them.

And keep the firearms and ammo locked up and unobtainable. That alone might have saved all those kids at Sandy Hook.:-?

If you put a sub-machine gun in the hands of a little girl, you deserve to get shot.

[Jimbuna]

No Scott, you can't give any kid a gun and expect him/her to control it.
I really don't care how well your instructors handle guns with kids, kids shouldn't be handling guns. They don't have the physical strenght to handle guns, don't have the sense of responsibility for it and to begin with they don't need them.

Definitely Darwin.
I wish the gun would just hit him in the head without a bullet coming out though.

And a Baboon congresional medal for idiocy beyond for actions beyond and above the call of sanity for the parents.

Rgr that.

[Tribesman]

Yes, they're called Toy guns or Airsoft Guns.

What about a.22LR or even a .410?
Suitable for handling by young ones.

No kid is the same but the fact remains that they are kids and don't give things that require more thought exactly that.

I agree in this case, an uzi on full auto is beyond the thought requirement here, but it doesn't apply in all cases.

Well a skateboard won't blow a hole in someones head.
It can, skateboards can be bloody dangerous for the user and bystanders.

[HunterICX]

What about a.22LR or even a .410?
Suitable for handling by young ones.

Like a Uzi....:yeah:

It can, skateboards can be bloody dangerous for the user and bystanders.But they're not designed to inflict damage on others or objects.

Just saying it's bad enough that people hurt themselves or others with guns by accidents...save kids the trouble of having shot themselves, brother/sister or others in an accident and let them be kids. Introduce them to guns at an appropriate age.

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/o7RSOes.jpg

[Tribesman]

Like a Uzi....:yeah:

nothing like an Uzi.

[Wolferz]

I let my sister in law fire my twelve gauge one time and she spun around in a full circle with the thing. Fortunate enough for myself, my brother and her brother, it was a single shot weapon. If it had been an auto, she'd have likely killed all three of us.:huh: I'm talking a grown woman with some excessive weight issues. After seeing that episode, I would never in my right mind place an automatic weapon in the hands of any female I had not seen firing the weapon properly beforehand.:doh:

[Oberon]

Children are quite capable of operating automatic assault rifles, see:

http://www2.ravenscroft.org/media/mus/msprojects/globalissues/childsoldiers/child_soldier.jpg

[Rockstar]

http://dantefw.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/funny_demotivational_posters_02.jpg?w=646


http://seriousfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Darwin-Awards.jpg

[vienna]

It's not just girls and women. Some guys have a difficult time handling weapons. In high school, I was in the Junior Army ROTC and they took us to an Army firing range to let us squeeze off a few rounds with an M-16. One guy failed to keep a good grip and his rifle flew up out of his hands and over his head, landing behind him. Another guy fired, got turned around and ended up standing there In a dazed state with his weapon pointing at one of the regular Army range instructors. Our Army instructor leapt forward and knocked the rifle to the ground. The range instructor had been standing there holding a cup of coffee in his hand. I'll never for get the look on his face when he saw that barrel pointing at him nor will I forget how that coffee cup shook in his hand before it fell to the ground...


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[Sailor Steve]

I've seen the same thing. forty-five years ago this month I was in boot camp. One of the things we had to do was shoot a standard Colt M-1911 .45 calibre pistol. We were all sitting on a small bleacher waiting our turn as five recruits at a time took theirs. One guy seemed to be panicked at that idea, but nobody really noticed. When he was told to "extend and fire" he pointed the gun forward, closed his eyes and turned his head to the right, at the same time pointing the weapon to his left. The guy to the left of him let out a yell and rather than duck simply held his pistol alongside his head like a shield. The instructor seemingly flew through the air, landed on the recruit and deftly plucked the pistol out of his hands, and told him "you go pick up shell casings."

[vienna]

Just wanted to add: very little has been said in the news reports regarding the possible psychological effects on the 9 year old girl. Aside from the horror of seeing what a gunshot wound to the head can do, she now has to live with the fact something she participated in resulted in her taking a human life. I foresee some very heavy therapy ahead for the poor child. I hope she comes through this with as minimal amount of psychological damage as possible...


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[CaptainMattJ.]

The only person i feel bad for is the 9 year old girl, who now has to live with herself because some idiot with the foresight of a potato didnt realize that a 9 year old girl (who probably never even fired a gun before) has no business firing anything, really. We dont let kids do certain things until a certain age for a reason. A 9 year old girl with zero experience has NO chance of controlling an uzi once it goes full auto. I wouldnt even trust an adult with an uzi unless they have had extensive experience with it.

[Wolferz]

Is working overtime today.:nope:

[Platapus]

By what logic would any parent allow their 9 year old to fire a automatic weapon? Really?

I am just glad that no one else got hurt.

[Wolferz]

They can't tell an airsoft pistol from a real one and they like to shoot film crew from the Cops TV show. Oh, they also like pumping a suspected robber full of lead, even after he's down:hmmm:
.http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/cops-crew-member-killed-in-omaha-police-shooting

[Nippelspanner]

What's all the fuss?
She probably just defended herself...

[Wolferz]

What's all the fuss?
She probably just defended herself...


You could be right. If I'm not mistaken, it did appear that the instructor was fondling her tush when he was getting her into position to shoot.
YMMV

[Tribesman]

By what logic would any parent allow their 9 year old to fire a automatic weapon? Really?

It depends on the situation.
Lets say as an example two fathers take 3 kids , two aged 9 and one aged 11 to a rather nice gun range to use one fathers guns.
The kids get to fire off some 5 round bursts in a prone position from a secured bipod mounted automatic weapon.
Is that logic a hell of a lot safer than just pulling the trigger standing with an Uzi.

[Platapus]

I can understand teaching a kid how to handle a single fire weapon or even a single action weapon to learn how to handle weapons safely.

But a fully automatic with a 9 year old..... Just not getting it.

I was 19 before I fired my first automatic weapon. I was in the military and I was pretty intimidated despite several years experience with semi-automatics.

[Stealhead]

Pretty foolish I think allowing a 9 year old to fire an Uzi straight up. Now in all reality there are child soldiers firing AK-47s so a 9 year old could be trained to shoot an Uzi properly. Not that I am advocating such a thing or child soldiers but apparently African warlords have seen fit to do so.


The mistake was to allow a person lacking any experience to fire a fully automatic weapon. Even for an adult that could be a bad idea. Such a thing would be a very bad idea with an Uzi which has a high rate of fire the one in the picture looks like a Mini-Uzi which has a ROF of 900 RPM that's several rounds with one trigger pull.

Seems like I recall a similar accident involving a child and an UZI in which the child was hit and killed when the weapon turned upwards in the child's hands.

[Armistead]

I had guns at age nine, a 20 gauge single barrel and 30/30 rifle, but we were raised and trained even at that age and an adult with us when hunting. A 9 year old with an Uzi is beyond stupid..

[Stealhead]

Well the thing is it was not a nine year old with an Uzi. It was an adult who was supposed to know how to instruct others in the safe use of firearms allowing a nine year old to fire a fully automatic weapon.


Like I said though child soldiers some younger than nine have used automatic weapons before so it can be done.

[Buddahaid]

Very tragic and I wouldn't be so quick to judge knowing nothing about any of the people involved. I do hope the young lady gets through this OK.

[Tribesman]

Seems like I recall a similar accident involving a child and an UZI in which the child was hit and killed when the weapon turned upwards in the child's hands.
You mean this one/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-christopher-bizilj-died-firing-uzi-urged-son/story?id=12565132

[Maltadog]

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/c2/55/c2551c_5079212.jpg

[Platapus]

Well the thing is it was not a nine year old with an Uzi. It was an adult who was supposed to know how to instruct others in the safe use of firearms allowing a nine year old to fire a fully automatic weapon.



The less said about the quality of some civilian instructors the better. :nope:

I have seen some "instructors" at the range I would not trust to pick up my brass. But hey, they are NRA so that means.... well it means they pay their dues on time... or something.

[Stealhead]

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/c2/55/c2551c_5079212.jpg

So how is a kid supposed to hump an 80 pound mortar base plate up a hill in Afghanistan?:hmm2: I mean if I where a brutal warlord that had a child army I'd have them carry AK-47s and the ones that are 10 years of age or above that manage to maintain muscle mass from the meager rice ration those kids get an RPG. The stronger per-teens would get an RPK. The teenagers would get a PKM. The mortars and heavy machine guns I'd just mount on technicals.

Why an AK instead of an Uzi? Because the AK-47 is heavier and is a two hand weapon they'll probably manage to keep the rounds in a generally forwards direction if not well more rice rations.

[vienna]

If one lives in a place where the danger to one's children necessitates instructing a 9-year old child how to use a gun, any gun, for self-defense, I believe it is a sign it is time to move...


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[Tribesman]

If one lives in a place where the danger to one's children necessitates instructing a 9-year old child how to use a gun, any gun, for self-defense, I believe it is a sign it is time to move...


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Well possibly.
Though you could always shoot all the neighbours instead as moving home can be quite stressful.