View Full Version : Hagel: IS 'beyond anything we've seen'
Catfish
08-10-14, 02:53 PM
Really, i have no idea. Anyone ?
Schroeder
08-10-14, 03:31 PM
UN and DO are two words that shouldn't be in one sentence...:nope:
Let's face it, the UN was a nice idea but it doesn't work. It's toothless and impotent.:/\\!!
Armistead
08-10-14, 04:15 PM
Send ice cream laced with valium
Make multiple threads on the same subject?
Talk more. That's the only thing that they do.
They will do as much as the Arab League is doing, which is nothing.
Buddahaid
08-10-14, 08:36 PM
But they do wine and dine very well amongst themselves. You know, it's a must so one doesn't disrespect the other delegates.
I don't see the ISIS leaders getting, or accepting a dinner invitation though...
Buddahaid
08-10-14, 09:10 PM
I don't see the ISIS leaders getting, or accepting a dinner invitation though...
Well it is a members only club
Well it is a members only club
True.
vanjast
08-11-14, 02:26 AM
Well it is a members only club
They don't know what they're missing.. it'll be a blast !!
:hmm2:
HunterICX
08-11-14, 03:47 AM
They don't know what they're missing.. it'll be a blast !!
:hmm2:
I just hope they don't get overly excited on the bus ride to the party, it'll be a shame if they don't get the chance to get properly acquainted with the others.
kraznyi_oktjabr
08-11-14, 06:10 AM
The United Nations has become about same as its predecessor the League of Nations: impotent bureaucracy with no way to enforce its resolutions. Except ofcourse if U.S. agrees to enforce them...
Most likely they will form special commission to investigate this unacceptable conduct. After report is released sometimes in 2020s they will issue strict condemnation...
Feuer Frei!
08-11-14, 06:42 AM
they will issue strict condemnation...
Sanctions perhaps :haha:
Armistead
08-11-14, 11:32 AM
So we all agree the UN is a waste of time and money.
nikimcbee
08-11-14, 11:46 AM
Send in the smurfs. :haha:
Jimbuna
08-11-14, 02:05 PM
So we all agree the UN is a waste of time and money.
I agree but the question I ask is...."Why do the US bank role the bugga?"
Armistead
08-11-14, 02:10 PM
I agree but the question I ask is...."Why do the US bank role the bugga?"
a place for men to travel, enjoy the city, smoke cigars and act important?
Is prostitution legal there?
a place for men to travel, enjoy the city, smoke cigars and act important?
Is prostitution legal there?
It's New York, if you want it, you can probably find it. :03:
Jimbuna
08-11-14, 02:26 PM
a place for men to travel, enjoy the city, smoke cigars and act important?
Is prostitution legal there?
Plenty of pimps I should imagine :)
Armistead
08-11-14, 03:29 PM
Plenty of pimps I should imagine :)
you mean the politicians..?
Platapus
08-11-14, 04:07 PM
So we all agree the UN is a waste of time and money.
Not at all.
The number one product of the UN is information.
People seen to only focus on the UNSC, which by design of the original 5 is very limited in what it can do.
But there is much more to the UN then the UNSC. The fact that we know so much about what is going on in other countries is a result to the various UN programs over the decades. That has value in itself.
Then there are the health and education programs which have been successful.
Much more than just the UNSC. :yep:
Armistead
08-11-14, 04:09 PM
Seems we might be having a issue with Maliki now...Will we now see a coup...Will the idiot try to keep power?
So other than the health, education, information, humanitarian, and child welfare standards, what has the UN ever done for us?
Jimbuna
08-12-14, 09:10 AM
Between six and eight RAF Tornados are being sent to carry out surveillance ahead of future airdrops.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28758370
Armistead
08-12-14, 09:58 AM
Between six and eight RAF Tornados are being sent to carry out surveillance ahead of future airdrops.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28758370
Surveillance huh? :up:
Armistead
08-12-14, 10:08 AM
Has anyone any real facts on the ground of ISIS beheading children in any numbers. No doubt they're killing anything that walks, but so many reports of women and children being killed in mass after capture. I finally went to liveleak for videos and watched the brutality of ISIS and it's sickening. Saw one of them beheading soldiers, cutting their heads off like one would a chicken one after the other and of course the brutal executions, etc....
I don't know how you stop ISIS without mass ground troops now. Our biggest Obama mistake was not to hit them in mass in the beginning, with limited strikes, ISIS is now moving their equipment into civilian population. Maybe this will slow them down some.
I wonder what a US military plan would be. The biggest issue has to be that dam, blow that.....the damage would be worse than Katrina. It would take US special forces to have a chance to secure it. I would think we would try to divide them by separation from the Syrian border. Maybe if we could take off the head, what's going on in Iraq would end much faster....
But not now for sure, not with Obama..
Skybird
08-12-14, 10:14 AM
ISIS fan shop spotted in Istanbul.
http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/tassen-und-t-shirts-mit-is-logo-mitten-in-istanbul-terror-fanshop-verscherbelt-dschihad-merchandise_id_4053442.html
Inclusive Facebook community, big and active, collecting donations for IS, and online order options. Like football.
Article says the Turkish police and authorities are reported in Turkish media to know about it since longer - and doing nothing.
Jimbuna
08-13-14, 06:53 AM
A small number of Chinooks are about to be sent to help with transportation, evacuation and even the supply of arms (but not from the UK) if required.
nikimcbee
08-13-14, 09:30 AM
I wonder what a US military plan would be?
Drop some bombs, go golfing.
Jimbuna
08-14-14, 07:13 AM
The US have said that a rescue mission to aid thousands who fled to Mt Sinjar was unlikely as it had found fewer people and better conditions than expected.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28785725
I'm of the belief the SAS have also been in the area and are in agreement.
The Danish Government have just told us that they will support US engagement in Iraq. Humanitarian first and if needed military support too
It is breaking news here.
Markus
Maliki steps down as PM!! YAY!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/world/middleeast/iraq-prime-minister-.html?_r=0
Skybird
08-14-14, 04:07 PM
Meanwhile, in another corner of the galaxy not too far away - at least much closer than the corner where Iraq lies:
http://www.steynonline.com/6520/young-turks
A Tweet from Yasmina Haifi:ISIS heeft niets met Islam te maken ...is vooropgezet plan van zionisten die bewust Islam willen zwart maken
Which translated into English means roughly:ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It's a preconceived plan by Zionists who want to deliberately blacken Islam's name.
Who is Yasmina Haifi? She's an official at the Dutch Ministry of Justice who serves as project leader at the Netherlands' National Cyber Security Center. And she thinks Isis is a Zionist plot to make Islam look bad.
She could be right. On the other hand, maybe Yasmina Haifi is a Zionist plot to make Islam look bad - or at any rate deranged. Presumably the many Dutch Muslims out on the streets holding pro-Isis demonstrations would disagree with her - because they surely wouldn't be demonstrating in favor of a Zionist front group, would they? Unless, of course, they're also in on the Zionist plot...
Look at Yasmina Haifi in the photograph at right - she's not a burqa-wreathed crone, but a modern western career woman in a foxy red jacket with just a hint of cleavage. And yet she cannot bear the truth about her religion and what is done in its name. So she takes refuge in the laziest conspiracy of all. In the Netherlands, an "extremist" Muslim supports Isis because it's chopping the heads off infidels, but a "moderate" Muslim opposes Isis because it's a Zionist front group.
This is the human capital with which the Netherlands has chosen to build its future.
(...)
Some days ago, the speaker of a major Muslim noise organisation over here was on radio. Being asked two or three questions about the Muslim attacks on Jews in Germany, the Muslim storm on a German police station, the obvious cynism of Hamas behavior and about ISIS, he answered each with a one or two-sentenced phrase that was flat and empty and represented exactly what is expected to be heard on occasions like this - and then he overrolled the interviewer and ripplefired his propaganda around 5 minutes long by lecturing the Germans that under no circumstance they should believe that this has anything to do with Islam, and that Islam cannot do such things and cannot do injust or evil things, and that the Germans owe the Muslims oh so much and that the Muslims are as discriminated victims today like the Jews were a long time back and that the Germans owe it to the Muslims in Germany to treat them with special rules and special care and special politeness and that they should avoid anything that could cause violent - he almost said: justified - reaction: for example asking critical questions about Islam and history.
And there I sat and thought: just another rimless a-h with a stellar ego going hyperbole. If his brain would be of chocolate, he wouldn't have enough to fill a Smartie, but boy, is this racist primitive taking himself serious! On days like this, even when trying I still cannot eat as much as I would love to vomit.
And the interviewer? Was metaphorically kneeling before him, pointing his butt into the sky and licking his boots.
:nope: Its a world of infantile retards and spineless cowards I am forced to exist in - but thankfully, not forever. I more and more appreciate that relief.
Meanwhile, in another corner of the galaxy not too far away - at least much closer than the corner where Iraq lies:
http://www.steynonline.com/6520/young-turks
Is it here a facepalm would be the right thing to do?
Markus
I hope this works out in Anbar province!
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/08/14/iraq-security-anbar-idINKBN0GE16X20140814
Wolferz
08-15-14, 05:57 AM
This should all get some air time on Rediculousness. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
08-15-14, 09:35 AM
The region was deeply anti-American during the U.S. occupation, with everyone from ordinary Iraqis to powerful Sunni tribes to al Qaeda taking up arms against U.S. troops.
Perhaps a decision will be taken regarding help for the lesser of the two evils.
Armistead
08-15-14, 11:11 AM
Perhaps a decision will be taken regarding help for the lesser of the two evils.
Much like that river scene in Josey Wales
" You know, in my line of work, you gotta be able either to sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic OR Dixie with equal enthusiasm, depending on the present company."
They love and hate us as it suits them.
Skybird
08-17-14, 05:21 AM
http://www.zeit.de/2014/28/hamed-abdel-samad-islamismus/komplettansicht
^ In GERMAN,
by a guy who really knows from his own biography what he is talking about (he was born as son of an Egyptian Imam, and once has been a radical Muslim brother himself), I repeatedly mentioned him before. He later studied political and Arab and Islamic science in Germany, and amongst other places worked for and taught at the Munich Institute for Jewish history.
The guy needs bodyguard protection and lives under the threat of a fatwa calling for his assassination.
Jimbuna
08-17-14, 07:28 AM
http://www.zeit.de/2014/28/hamed-abdel-samad-islamismus/komplettansicht
^ In GERMAN,
by a guy who really knows from his own biography what he is talking about (he was born as son of an Egyptian Imam, and once has been a radical Muslim brother himself), I repeatedly mentioned him before. He later studied political and Arab and Islamic science in Germany, and amongst other places worked for and taught at the Munich Institute for Jewish history.
The guy needs bodyguard protection and lives under the threat of a fatwa calling for his assassination.
Sounds a bit like the predicament Salman Rushdie was found himself in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
Skybird
08-19-14, 05:33 AM
http://mida.org.il/2014/08/14/israelis-ones-kurds-trust/
"What's happening now is a war of Shiites against Sunnis – with the Shiite axis lead by Iran and the Sunni axis led by Turkey, and I wish both sides much success," Tzuri told me as we sat next to the old kitchen table in his house. "But within all that, we need to help the Kurds. Turkey wants the oil in Western Iraq. If the Kurds lose control of the sources of oil in their possession, their situation will become very difficult.
Take the article for itself and do not ask me about the website, I do not know it any further, its all in Hebrew.
Wolferz
08-19-14, 09:35 AM
At least now we know what the UN is going to do about it...
The usual...
Defer to the US military for bomb deliveries.:shucks:
The U.N. will do nothing. Yes they are a help in relief situations, when it comes to war they are toothless. Unless it's some SMALL African country.
The U.S. wants out of this war, a war it should of never gotten into, in the worst way.
But now we don't want the American people to believe it was a mistake from the beginning.
Who do you think will end up the real bad guy? Saddam or Isis?
Isis seems to be winning.
Humans are not going to solve human problems. Pretty much because we don't think alike.
I've seen a lot of conflicting reports concerning the Mosul Dam, wonder who really has control of it right now?
Skybird
08-19-14, 07:13 PM
Reference to the WP of Wednesday is made by the "Deutsch-Tpürkisches Journal" over confirmation by a former highranking IS commander that Turkey equipped the IS with weapons and trained its fighters. Earlier this month, Turkey had categorically ruled out any Turkish action against the IS and that it will not conduct any military operations against the IS.
Its like I earlier said: Turkey has been, despite the apparent self-contradiction, a very prominent and helpful supporter and patron of IS, helping also out with providing shuttle services from Turkey to slaughter zones, hospital services for wounded IS fighters, and supplier of needed goods.
It is a scandal that Washington and NATO remaisn silent about this fact. Turkey more and more is a fundamentalist state being led backwards by Sultan Erdoghan I., that is absolutely hostile to Western values and policies, it is not that befriended ally and certainly it is no faction that can be trusted. In Germany just recently a "scandal" broke loose when it became known that the BND lists Turkey since 2009 as a target against which intel operations are being run.
That the Turksih military did not crack down on the AKP when erdoghan after prison release reached out for power, was a great mistake and one of the reatest failures in its history. By the constitution, it would have been its duty to protect the Kemalist secular order. Now - it is too late. You can foget about the military trying to stem against the fundamentalist tide Erodghan has initiated.
That Erdoghan is a liar and cheater and has betrayed the West on so many occasions now, must not be reiterated anymore. His provocations and staged acts are legion by now. That the amount of his arrogance stinks to heaven, means relatively little, compared to that. He is no friend of the West. He is a very clever but also very underhanded enemy of Western values and culture, when will people finally see that? Why must the same stupid mistakes beign repeated again and again?
Kick Turkey out of NATO and stop aid and intel sharing with them. Bring home German and US troops from Turkish stations, and give Turkey the boot. Also stop all hightech and sensitive knowledge transfer to them.
Needless to say that EU negotiations are a farce anyway, the talks for joining EU finally - FINALLY - should be declared as officially ended. Not frozen or delayed, but ENDED.
I take some grim satisfaction from the fact that the Turkish fighters of IS that since some time now have been send back to Turkey to spread IS there, are causing more and more worries for Ankara by now. I hope these types will pay back Turkey the change for its aid that it deserves.
What should be done by the West is to massively support the Kurds and help them to establish their own state as a frontline against Turkish ambitions and a safe haven for refugees trying to escape growing sectarian conflicts and terrorism like that of IS. And if Ankara or Bagdhad try to intervene against that, to hell with these bastards. Assistance for such a state should be made depending on the Kurds' attitude towards protecting minorities and being tolerant against other religious groups, especially Yesides, Christians, Jews. that must become part of such a state's self-understanding. If they do not comply, let them get wiped out by the conflicts down there. If they are of no use for anyone, why claiming an interest in having them there?
Jimbuna
08-20-14, 05:28 AM
I've seen a lot of conflicting reports concerning the Mosul Dam, wonder who really has control of it right now?
According to BBC News report footage on tv last night it would be Kurdish and Iraqi forces:
Kurdish and Iraqi forces have retaken the strategically important Mosul Dam from Islamic State (IS) fighters, as the battle continues to push back the militants in northern Iraq.
The BBC's Jim Muir visited the dam and said it was "back in safe hands" and appeared intact.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28858601
Aktungbby
08-20-14, 01:28 PM
I've seen a lot of conflicting reports concerning the Mosul Dam, wonder who really has control of it right now?
hostile to Western values and policies, it is not that befriended ally and certainly it is no faction that can be trusted. In Germany just recently a "scandal" broke loose when it became known that the BND lists Turkey since 2009 as a target against which intel operations are being run. Kick Turkey out of NATO and stop aid and intel sharing with them. Bring home German and US troops from Turkish stations, and give Turkey the boot. Also stop all hightech and sensitive knowledge transfer to them. As with Pakistan which hid Osama Bin laden for years and is an 'Ally'? ya "keep your enemies close and your friends closer." Having once held nuclear missiles-removed after the Cuban missile crises- Turkey is still usefully positioned with regard to Putin's recent antics in the Black Sea, and still the bigger game! Essentially a Russian lake-America likes her maritime strategic bottlenecks. The Bosphorus is such as with the Strait of Hormuz. Good thought on EU and NATO but not yet!
According to BBC News report footage on tv last night it would be Kurdish and Iraqi forces: The big issue over the dam at Mosul is its pisspoor construction and fragile nature. A major failure without the experts on hand to prevent such would inundate Bagdad. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7069109.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7069109.stm) A sixty foot wave would flood the Tigris River basin and kill an estimated 500,000. I don't know that any ISIS mujahedeen have their Hydrodynamic degrees to cope with this long pending problem. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44209000/jpg/_44209048_mosuldam_416.jpg"Build not thy dam upon the gypsum":doh:
Skybird
08-20-14, 01:46 PM
I read that the Kurdish women have their own way to deal with IS. Hundreds of Kurdish women have joined special commandos of the Kurdish Peshmerga, often forming exlcuiovely female combat groups. Their only objkective: killing Is terrorits, becasue accoridng to the ideology, Muslim men who get killed by worthless women never can enter paradise. Its seems that iS has started to somewhat fear these all-female commando units.
My grandfathers all where fighting at the Russian front during WWII. They said that what the German infantry feared most were female Soviet snipers, because the Soviet women were - well, specially motivated. They took greater risks, were more daring in their raids, and went more uncompromised after their targets, then their male colleagues. They really took their revenge.
Meanwhile, IS terrorists who came from Germany and joined the jihad, are returning to Germnay, leaving poltiicians clueless and the police alarmed, but unheard. Several hundreds of terrorists with german papers had joined IS over the past month. They now come back, with war experience, war skills and a hardened mind that the ordinary average German police officer patrolling the street is not really prepared to be confronted by.
It could be that the West troublkes with IS do not begin before IS on the ME battlefields had been "defeated". Maybe our worries then will just start to begin.
Multicultural enrichment and tolerance and integration. It's so good to have it with us.
Jimbuna
08-21-14, 07:00 AM
Multicultural enrichment and tolerance and integration. It's so good to have it with us.
Tis so unlike you to show such obvious sarcasm Sky.
Skybird
08-21-14, 07:15 AM
German news: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/is-und-tuerkei-dschihadisten-aus-syrien-nutzen-tuerkei-als-rueckzugsraum/10363002.html
Governor of the Turkish province bordering Syria accuses Erdoghan not only to tolerate that IS fighters use the province and hotels there as retreat and chilling area before returning back to Syria and Iraq, but also to support them with organisation, transportation and even weapon deliveries.
Turkish opposition also points out that the Turkish government administration refuses to call the IS murderers as murderers and terrorists.
It's so good to have Turkey in NATO, their special view on the Islamic world and their shared values are so enriching for us. And so good hosts they are.
The German Patriot unit that was sent there to cover the Turks when they tried to provoke the Syrians, got welcomed by getting stationed in buildings where they had destroyed the sanitation installations and the sh!t was standing 10 cm on the floor. A local Turkish general who claimed to have the command over the Germans, learned the hard way that he had not, and tried to break through a German perimeter guard's check point. The soldier, a female, stopped him, and as a result was physically attacked by this Turkish scumbag so that a colleague had to help her out.
Since then, German news from the German camp has almost completely stopped and suppressed.
Skybird
08-21-14, 07:19 AM
Tis so unlike you to show such obvious sarcasm Sky.
Hardly.
Rockstar
08-21-14, 04:43 PM
Washington (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned Thursday that the Islamic State is more than a traditional "terrorist group" and better armed, trained and funded than any recent threat.
"They marry ideology and a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess. They are tremendously well funded. This is beyond anything we have seen," Hagel told reporters.
http://news.yahoo.com/hagel-islamic-state-beyond-anything-weve-seen-202140920.html
In other news
The vacationing commander-in-chief teed off shortly after 1:00 p.m. on Thursday for his eighth round of golf in 11 days. :Kaleun_Cheers:
Do we really need 3 ISIS/IS threads? :hmmm:
In other news
The vacationing commander-in-chief teed off shortly after 1:00 p.m. on Thursday for his eighth round of golf in 11 days. :Kaleun_Cheers:
Let's just give this whole vacation thing a rest. It is, and always has been, a political 'red herring':
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html
In regards to ISIS, there is full acknowledgement it is "better armed, trained and funded than any recent threat". The real question is: Who is funding them? The US government undoubtedly knows the sources of the funding and could very well act against them in order to curtail or block the flow. Yet the government does not. Now the question becomes: Why? ISIS has sources of funds through various activities including smuggling, ransoms, drug running, piracy, and "spoils of war", most significantly the taking of banks in places like Syria and Iraq. That is a source there is limited action can be taken against...
The other main source is private contributions, from other like-minded groups and individuals, most notably the "oil-rich" Saudis and other Arab nationalities. It is indeed odd the US and its allies seem to have no problem putting up sanctions against or seizing the assets of Putin and his Russian corporate cronies, but is "mysteriously" reluctant to do the same against the Saudis and other Arabs who we undoubtedly know are actively supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other such groups. Maybe the government's vision is clouded by a film of oil...
As far as the arming of ISIS, again it is probably well known to the government the identities of the arms merchants, brokers, and donors. Is the reason no action has been taken against them the fact they probably also supply entities vital to our interests such as, again, the Saudis, and the thin veil of oil has again obscured their vision? One thing about oil: it makes a slippery slope even more slippery...
In case any of you out there choose to take the time to refute the idea of Saudi and others supporting global terrorism, you will probably cite this source:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis
If you do, kindly do yourself the favor of clicking on the "About" tab and check out the Board of Advisors. Some of those names (Kissinger, Rice, etc.) seem to be the "usual suspects" when it comes to being Saudi oil apologists..
Just my opinion...
<O>
Platapus
08-21-14, 05:20 PM
The vacationing commander-in-chief teed off shortly after 1:00 p.m. on Thursday for his eighth round of golf in 11 days. :Kaleun_Cheers:
You mean the commander in chief who gets briefed every single day (vacation or not) at 0600
You mean the commander in chief who gets another 1200 briefing every single day
You mean the commander in chief who gets yet another full briefing at 1800 every single day
The commander in chief who has a full staff that monitors world wide events just for him 24/7/365
The commander in chief who has an entire agency (WACA) who's sole job is to ensure that the CiC has constant and instant communications with the national command authority
The commander in chief who has a staff traveling EVERYWHERE he goes so that he has instant connectivity with the command authority
That commander in chief?
Just want to understand what you were whining about. :D
The POTUS is never on vacation. Since Bush, there is even a computer screen in the presidential pooper so that when he is taking a dump he can be briefed.
You mean the commander in chief who gets briefed every single day (vacation or not) at 0600
You mean the commander in chief who gets another 1200 briefing every single day
You mean the commander in chief who gets yet another full briefing at 1800 every single day
The commander in chief who has a full staff that monitors world wide events just for him 24/7/365
The commander in chief who has an entire agency (WACA) who's sole job is to ensure that the CiC has constant and instant communications with the national command authority
The commander in chief who has a staff traveling EVERYWHERE he goes so that he has instant connectivity with the command authority
That commander in chief?
Just want to understand what you were whining about. :D
The POTUS is never on vacation. Since Bush, there is even a computer screen in the presidential pooper so that when he is taking a dump he can be briefed.
Given Bush's "success" as a president, he was probably watching "My Little Pony"...
<O>
Platapus
08-21-14, 05:45 PM
It just bugs me when people (always seems to be from the opposing political side) make comments about the president taking a vacation.
The president never has a vacation, a weekend, a holiday, nor a day off in anything like the way other people use those terms. He is on duty all the time, on call all night.
Besides what do people think the president would be doing on a daily basis about any specific issue? He has a staff, which in turn has their own staff, which in turn has their whole team, (of which I am but a minion) to monitor things 24/7/365.
It is not like the president is doing any of his own research. The president does not go spend a few hours delving in research libraries. He is a chief executive. He empowers his staff to give him the data needed to make the decisions he needs to make. When there is no new data, he does not make any new decisions.
Crikey, the democratic side was slamming Bush for his "vacations" and now the republican side is slamming Obama for his "vacations".
The job of PotUS is a killer. Just look at how presidents look when they get in to office and compare that to how they look when they get out of office.
I don't think a PotUS lives an especially easy life while in office. If a president (from any political party) can snag even a few hours when he can focus on something else (knowing full well that he is surrounded by his staff who WILL interrupt him at a moments notice) I say good for him. :yep:
There are only 5 people in the US, now, who have the slightest idea of what a president has to go through. Even Vice Presidents don't know.
There are many things to complain about for each president we have. The president taking a few hours to play golf, ain't one of them.
Sailor Steve
08-21-14, 06:14 PM
:sign_yeah: :agree:
Plat, thanks for a breath of fresh air and a dose of reality. Every president who has ever served has been the worst president ever, if you only listen to what people who don't like him have to say. Beyond that, most people who don't like him have never met him and have no clue what he's really doing or thinking.
Don't like Obama? I disagree with his policies and don't like many of the causes he promotes, but do I know he's wrong and I'm right? Not in the least. But then I felt the same way about almost every president I can remember.
As for vacations, I remember one radio broadcast by the famous and much-loved (by The Left, anyway) humorist Molly Ivins, in which she said that one of Reagan's "vacations" was the longest of any president since Theodore Roosevelt went on safari in Africa. What she didn't mention, or didn't bother to check, was that Roosevelt's trip was taken the summer after he left office.
Obama likes to play golf? Now to me there's a reason to dislike him.
Obama likes to play golf? Now to me there's a reason to dislike him.
That's a stance I can support. :D
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I think it's some sort of presidential requirement to play golf, isn't it? 15 of the last 18 presidents have been players, heck Ike had one made just outside the Oval Office, and it's been used ever since! :haha:
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/grounds/putting-green/putting-green-ike.jpg
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/grounds/putting-green/putting-green-bush1.jpg
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/grounds/putting-green/putting-green-2009-potus.jpg
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/grounds/putting-green.htm
Aktungbby
08-21-14, 07:05 PM
At least he knows what stiff putter he's holding(Clinton was confused there) and can practice blasting the sand traps; the nuclear football guy is in the cart behind him...with the scorecard. Some of us go back to "I like Ike'; the all-time golf fiend and he did just fine keeping the Russian bear at bay. One tends to reflect and contemplate on the back nine; the golf as Rockstar put it is just "milling about smartly":up: I just hope no one mistakes him for a caddy!:har:
swamprat69er
08-21-14, 07:16 PM
On duty 24/7/365, 366 on leap years and even when he is taking a dump! I surely would NOT like to have his job, even if I was eligible.
Wolferz
08-22-14, 06:04 AM
Bagger Vance for president?:haha:
The commander in chief who has a staff traveling EVERYWHERE he goes so that he has instant connectivity with the command authority.
So he IS just the puppet of the shadow government!:huh:
Jimbuna
08-22-14, 06:46 AM
Do we really need 3 ISIS/IS threads? :hmmm:
Looks like a golfing thread to me.
Looks like a golfing thread to me.
Well, it is now :haha:
Wolferz
08-22-14, 07:48 AM
Fore!
:03:
IS is just some filthy rich fellow looking to build hIS own utopia at the expense of everyone else.:-?
Oh, the dreams and ambitions of the rich narcISISst.:arrgh!:
I'd love to be there when he dIScovers that all he's built IS an ISolated ISlamic dIStopia.
Let's play golf in Dubai.:up:
swamprat69er
08-22-14, 08:35 AM
Fore!:03:
Old golfers never die!
They just get buried in their own bunkers. :O:
Wolferz
08-22-14, 11:16 AM
Old golfers never die!
Too right!
We just lose our balls.
Jimbuna
08-22-14, 11:22 AM
Lost mine years ago....shortly after getting married.
swamprat69er
08-22-14, 11:44 AM
Old golfers never die!
They just whack on their balls, 'till they finally wind up in the hole.
Jimbuna
08-22-14, 11:56 AM
Hole 19...the most interesting and important one :sunny:
Wolferz
08-22-14, 12:46 PM
Hole 19...the most interesting and important one :sunny:
Usually a hair of the dog leg right.:03:
Sir! Thread successfully hijacked!:arrgh!:
Take dat, ISIS!:shucks:
Aktungbby
08-22-14, 01:01 PM
http://www.personalizationmall.com/cat_image/300/7043-17288.jpg a little 'hair of the dog that bites ya' (whatever the breed!) Here's to yer stiff putter and dimpled balls BBY! I'll take a mulligan Hamm's on that!:woot:
During the McCarthy witch-trials, the Eisenhower administration took extreme measures to deal with Communist sympathisers. :yep:
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Onkel Neal
08-22-14, 03:40 PM
Do we really need 3 ISIS/IS threads? :hmmm:
You are right, merged.
Man, the more I read about these fanatics, the sicker it makes me. What can we do about them? I dunno, but I think they are winning. Muslim fascists are more powerful and popular now than they were when it was simply the Taliban. This smells like Vietnam 1963... who would have believed the US was on the brink of losing a war with a tiny agrarian country?
Maybe Obama's golfing spree is a diversion, the US is getting ready to strike...
Meanwhile, Putin is invading Ukraine. That's looking like a done deal now.
. This smells like Vietnam 1963... who would have believed the US was on the brink of losing a war with a tiny agrarian country?
This might be because neither Iraq nor Syria nor where these militants come from are tiny agrarian countries. That's where that perception is a bit of a problem - both Iraq and Syria are resource-wealthy countries with large populations of well-educated, skilled, resourceful people with few opportunities. Many of the Western jihadists that are running this show are also educated, resourceful people, often from fairly successful immigrant families who were also drawn into this by what they perceived as lack of opportunities. And then of course there's the oil wealth. Thanks to their recent acquisitions, IS currently happens to be one of the world's top oil producers, and they ARE making money off it.
So part of what's needed to fight and counter them properly is shaking off that perception that "tiny agrarian nation" or "crazy, stupid 3rd world terrorists" are what the enemy is like. They are not. They are a modern organization full of very skilled, clever, well-educated and well-trained people with an axe to grind. Thinking that the US (and others) are fighting a bunch of crazy religious farmers with AK rifles is one of the worst mistakes one could make here.
There have been a lot of talking about their fractions they seems to have here in Europe. Especially here in Denmark where there should be some hardcore followers.
What worries me is if or when these people will start to conduct terror on full scale.(which makes me wonder even more regarding something different but still about the same)
Markus
The key thing to do is to find out exactly who is for and against IS in the Middle East and rearrange our strategic outlook based upon this. If it means working with Iran then so be it.
Of course the key problem here is Saudi Arabia, and our damned reliance on Middle Eastern oil for our domestic and military existence. :/\\!!
Onkel Neal
08-22-14, 10:11 PM
I didn't mean to imply Vietnam and Islamic terrorists are the same thing, only that at the time, losing to the North Vietnamese was pretty unimaginable. Yet, it happened.
Well this will surely bring Iraq together to fight against ISIS!!
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/shiite-militiamen-kill-70-iraq-sunni-mosque-161102696.html#E4HwkNQ
Wolferz
08-23-14, 08:17 AM
Well this will surely bring Iraq together to fight against ISIS!!
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/shiite-militiamen-kill-70-iraq-sunni-mosque-161102696.html#E4HwkNQ
Oh, they want us to come back now?
Who'd of thunk it?:doh:
Well, we're still waiting to get paid for the last time we came and freed you from a despot.:shucks:
It's time to buy your freedom with your own blood.:-?
Onkel Neal
08-23-14, 09:12 AM
Come on, Wolferz, don't you remember, the US deposed Saddam for free oil. Blood for oil? :know:
nikimcbee
08-23-14, 09:19 AM
I didn't mean to imply Vietnam and Islamic terrorists are the same thing, only that at the time, losing to the North Vietnamese was pretty unimaginable. Yet, it happened.
Maybe if they get Washington out of the micro managing the rules of war, maybe we'll have a better result. Some of the stuff I've read/heard about Iraq War II:dead: is just maddening. They need to knock off the PC crap and fight to win.:up:
Wolferz
08-23-14, 09:46 AM
Come on, Wolferz, don't you remember, the US deposed Saddam for free oil. Blood for oil? :know:
We did?, why? We were getting their oil free gratis through Kuwait. That's why Saddam tried to annex the joint and why we went in and kicked him out of there.:arrgh!: Elder Bush stopped well short of the right goal. I said back then; "Watch and see, we'll be invading Iraq in a few years." And we did.:-?
Now Baghdadi is trying to enrich himself even more by laying claim to Iraq's oil under the guise of Islam and committing genocide to boot.
nikimcbee
08-23-14, 10:06 AM
I said back then; "Watch and see, we'll be invading Iraq in a few years." And we did.:-?
Motion to change Wolferz name to:
The Oracle.
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(look Iraqi oil. We should invade that)
I think if you were to ask five different Americans you'd get five different reasons why the US invaded Iraq and overthrew Saddam Hussein...which goes to show how clear and well believed the message that the Bush administration put out about it was.
And here I thought the article was about Shia militia killing 70 Sunni's at a mosque. Hard for Iraqi's to defeat IS if they are attacking each other.
Lost mine years ago....shortly after getting married.
Well, it has been said no man is complete until he marries...
After that, he's finished...
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Nippelspanner
08-23-14, 03:54 PM
Article says the Turkish police and authorities are reported in Turkish media to know about it since longer - and doing nothing.
Why aren't we surprised... :hmm2:
Wolferz
08-23-14, 06:49 PM
http://www.personalizationmall.com/cat_image/300/7043-17288.jpg a little 'hair of the dog that bites ya' (whatever the breed!) Here's to yer stiff putter and dimpled balls BBY! I'll take a mulligan Hamm's on that!:woot:
Golf is the devil, Bobby Bouchet!
A game that can ruin a perfectly good walk in the woods.
Jimbuna
08-24-14, 06:24 AM
And here I thought the article was about Shia militia killing 70 Sunni's at a mosque. Hard for Iraqi's to defeat IS if they are attacking each other.
Too busy running in the wrong direction at the first sign of trouble it would appear.
Well, they have identified the animal who beheaded Foley. A so called rapper from the UK known as Jihad John. Hope he enjoys the rest of his life in the ME, hell of a place to die in. Hope they have a Hellfire with his name on it!
http://news.yahoo.com/british-intelligence-reportedly-ids-james-foleys-executioner-215839401.html
Well, they have identified the animal who beheaded Foley. A so called rapper from the UK known as Jihad John. Hope he enjoys the rest of his life in the ME, hell of a place to die in. Hope they have a Hellfire with his name on it!
http://news.yahoo.com/british-intelligence-reportedly-ids-james-foleys-executioner-215839401.html
I heard on Danish news yesterday, that England had some special forces in that area to either catch this criminal person or if not possible, terminate him.
The information was very little, the English Government would only confirm there was special forces in Iraq.
Markus
kraznyi_oktjabr
08-26-14, 01:24 PM
I heard on Danish news yesterday, that England had some special forces in that area to either catch this criminal person or if not possible, terminate him.Markus, What benefit there is in capturing him instead of just killing? If he is captured and imprisoned that is effectively same as if ISIL opened recruiting office within HM Prisons.
Meanwhile the UAE caught the USA off guard by bombing Libya:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28933070
Markus, What benefit there is in capturing him instead of just killing? If he is captured and imprisoned that is effectively same as if ISIL opened recruiting office within HM Prisons.
Try to remember what they said in the studio
- It was something about the chances to get him alive and if he should die during this action, no one in England or USA would care. Then some one said that maybe this group of soldiers would either try to get him alive or terminate him.
From what I understand, IS or ISIS have already some recruiting in England and in other European countries
Markus
Meanwhile the UAE caught the USA off guard by bombing Libya:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28933070
Things just gets crazier and crazier over there, doesn't it,lol I mean what's next over there, Israeli drone shot down over Iran!?!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28920361
Meanwhile the UAE caught the USA off guard by bombing Libya:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28933070
When I heard it, my first thought was about what former Danish politicians wrote in a blog.
Can't remember every word he wrote
Remember this
"our religion is heading towards a big religious war, where Sunni is fighting Shia a.s.o" and then it was something about the whole middle east and north Africa
one big war between countries and civil war in some.
Markus
Here's another thing I have been wondering about every time I hear about ISIS and terror. I use this thread its
Another thing that I unable to comprehend, are as follows.
Ever since after the 11 / 9-01 we in Sweden and Denmark, have received the one surveillance law after another and each time we got to know the following.
"This is to protect you against terror". How does that work with all these warnings about future terrorist from IS. Today I read that some CIA have warned Europe.
I can not understand this.
Is those laws to protect us or....?
Markus
Platapus
08-26-14, 06:36 PM
Mapuc,
As some old Roman dudes once said "cuo bono" or "who benefits"
Look at these laws and find out what the real result is. I bet that some agency/unit/party/... either gets more funding, gets more power, and/or less accountability.
That's why the legislation was passed.
Follow the benefit of the legislation. It is rarely the public who benefits.
We have misguided idiots from the States fighting for ISIS, but his career as a jihadist was cut short over there. Was killed over the weekend.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/high-school-friend-speaks-on-man-who-died-fighting-for-isis/
Wolferz
08-28-14, 06:57 AM
They create one.:-?:stare:
"When someone is sitting on shtuff you want. You make them your enemy so you can justify the taking"
Tribesman
08-28-14, 07:53 AM
They create one.:-?:stare:
"When someone is sitting on shtuff you want. You make them your enemy so you can justify the taking"
No. When someone is sitting on stuff you want you make them the friend who is being victimised, then you can go and help them and look after their stuff.
It sells better to the public that way:03:
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