View Full Version : Did i just waste my money????
revanche
08-03-14, 08:01 PM
I usually buy my games through Steam, but numerous posts here advised against that so chose the digital download from Ubisoft.
Thing is, there is no SH5.exe anywhere on my comp to mod. There isn't even a Silent Hunter game folder. There is only the ubisoft game launcher folder.
Am i screwed?
If so, are there ANY digital versions that can be modded? Amazon perhaps? A physical copy is not an option for me.
Sjizzle
08-04-14, 04:35 AM
I usually buy my games through Steam, but numerous posts here advised against that so chose the digital download from Ubisoft.
Thing is, there is no SH5.exe anywhere on my comp to mod. There isn't even a Silent Hunter game folder. There is only the ubisoft game launcher folder.
Am i screwed?
If so, are there ANY digital versions that can be modded? Amazon perhaps? A physical copy is not an option for me.
Steam games = waste of money
revanche
08-04-14, 06:24 AM
I don't have the Steam version, but thx anyway.
The more i look, the more it appears the Ubisoft version is completely unmoddable which means they sold me a broken game.
I was hoping for a work-around but I am too pissed at Ubisoft to consider anything more than a refund. Live and learn.
Steam games = waste of money
And why's that then? :hmmm:
BigWalleye
08-04-14, 07:48 AM
I don't have the Steam version, but thx anyway.
The more i look, the more it appears the Ubisoft version is completely unmoddable which means they sold me a broken game.
I was hoping for a work-around but I am too pissed at Ubisoft to consider anything more than a refund. Live and learn.
The Amazon version works fine, gives you a local copy that you can mod to your heart's content. Costs about $10. Get it through the link at upper right and SubSim gets a (small) kickback. Nothing not to love!
You will need to mod the daylights out of the game, but there are a lot of excellent mods out there, and there are new ones every week. One of the "problems" I had with SH5 was that, every time I started a career, somebody released a new mod the I just "had to have." Install new mod, start new career, repeat.
BigWalleye
08-04-14, 07:50 AM
And why's that then? :hmmm:
Because you can't use TDW's patches on the Steam version. That is quite sufficient reason to not buy the Steam game.
I don't have the Steam version, but thx anyway.
The more i look, the more it appears the Ubisoft version is completely unmoddable which means they sold me a broken game.
I was hoping for a work-around but I am too pissed at Ubisoft to consider anything more than a refund. Live and learn.
Check Ebay or Amazon, you can get a DVD copy for peanuts.
Because you can't use TDW's patches on the Steam version. That is quite sufficient reason to not buy the Steam game.
But that's only one game you're talking about.
He said "steam games" (as in all steam games in general - which are usually just fine)
I don't know maybe I misunderstood him, nevermind.
Sjizzle
08-04-14, 08:13 AM
And why's that then? :hmmm:
to not have a solid version of the game here i mean ( DVD, CD version )it's pretty crap cos there is lots of steam games witch one have problems with mods or user made patches .... or even wors i know person who have bought a steam game and then had really big problems with the game ......
Cant say I've ever had a problem personally,
But in this day and age we might need to start breaking our attachment to owning a game on DVD. I really don't think it will be too long before PC gaming abandons DVD distribution, optical media as a whole is in a steady decline, and retailers who specialise in it have been dropping like flies over the last decade. I reckon once they have finally established fast internet connections in all those hard to reach areas, that will be the last nail in the coffin.
BigWalleye
08-04-14, 02:26 PM
Cant say I've ever had a problem personally,
But in this day and age we might need to start breaking our attachment to owning a game on DVD. I really don't think it will be too long before PC gaming abandons DVD distribution, optical media as a whole is in a steady decline, and retailers who specialise in it have been dropping like flies over the last decade. I reckon once they have finally established fast internet connections in all those hard to reach areas, that will be the last nail in the coffin.
And that will be the end of true indie games and the dominance of service bureaus like Steam who will dictate what games are permitted to flourish and what absurd DRM gamers must submit to if they want to play. JU-88, be careful what you wish for.
Service bureaus are nothing new. They have been around since IBM launched The Service Bureau in 1954. They entice people who want a "simple, non-technical" solution with minimal user responsibility and decision-making. "The Cloud" is just the latest incarnation. So far, every attempt to impose the service bureau model on an industry has broken down under the weight of its inherent rigidity and potential for monopolistic (or oligopolistic) exploitation of the user base. Hopefully, the computer gaming industry will not be the first to succumb.
And that will be the end of true indie games and the dominance of service bureaus like Steam who will dictate what games are permitted to flourish and what absurd DRM gamers must submit to if they want to play. JU-88, be careful what you wish for.
Service bureaus are nothing new. They have been around since IBM launched The Service Bureau in 1954. They entice people who want a "simple, non-technical" solution with minimal user responsibility and decision-making. "The Cloud" is just the latest incarnation. So far, every attempt to impose the service bureau model on an industry has broken down under the weight of its inherent rigidity and potential for monopolistic (or oligopolistic) exploitation of the user base. Hopefully, the computer gaming industry will not be the first to succumb.
Its not what I wish for, I'm merely saying it is inevitable.
As for Digtial download being the end of Indie gaming, excuse me but say WHAT!!??
If anything the complete opposite is true, with Digital distribution we have seen an EXPLOSION of experimental indie games for the PC, because digital distribution costs the developer nothing! Cutting and distributing thousands, or even millions, of discs on the other hand... Now that's a monopoly - he with the most $$$ gets his umpteenth sequel of his triple A franchise not just a space on the shelf, but taking up the whole shelf or maybe more!
Speaking of which, digiital distribution doesn't suffer from limited shelf or ware house space, and you don't have retailers and supplier-middle men terrified of ordering niche games that might not sell, (so they will be stuck with it and out of pocket.)
Steam has a TON of indie games, that I doubt would ever have seen the light of day if it wasn't for digital distribution, either because the independent publisher couldn't bear the costs, or because it was simply refused by the high street & online retailers on the basis of being a too risky a product.
Steam might be 'picky' I don't know, but they sure can afford to be a lot less picky than those physically stocking optical media, since if it doesn't sell well, they lose nothing.
Also as far I am aware, Steam doesn't determine the DRM - if any, that's down to the Games publisher/developer. DRM can be and often is enforced on DVD games anyway.
Cloud is another story though.....
I'm more concerned about what 3d printing is going to do to manufacturing though, China better put their thinking hats on! because when that baby takes off, we could see a lot of factories shutting their doors for good!
revanche
08-04-14, 04:14 PM
The Amazon version works fine, gives you a local copy that you can mod to your heart's content. Costs about $10. Get it through the link at upper right and SubSim gets a (small) kickback. Nothing not to love!
Good to know the Amazon version works. Unfortunately they only sell digital to US residents. Amazon Canada only has the dvd version for whatever reason. :down::down:
My faulty dvdrom is making this more difficult than it should.
Go to Ebay, you can pick up a copy of SH5 and a replacement DVD rom drive for less than $20 I bet. If you were in the UK, Id actually offer to send you both for cost of shipping only :O:
Captain_AJ
08-04-14, 05:35 PM
Good to know the Amazon version works. Unfortunately they only sell digital to US residents. Amazon Canada only has the dvd version for whatever reason. :down::down:
My faulty dvdrom is making this more difficult than it should.
Dont Give up hope .. Its a really great game when you can mod it !! ..
BigWalleye
08-04-14, 06:22 PM
Its not what I wish for, I'm merely saying it is inevitable.
As for Digtial download being the end of Indie gaming, excuse me but say WHAT!!??
If anything the complete opposite is true, with Digital distribution we have seen an EXPLOSION of experimental indie games for the PC, because digital distribution costs the developer nothing! Cutting and distributing thousands, or even millions, of discs on the other hand... Now that's a monopoly - he with the most $$$ gets his umpteenth sequel of his triple A franchise not just a space on the shelf, but taking up the whole shelf or maybe more!
I beg your pardon Your point is well taken. I misinterpreted your comments about digital distribution as directed to the Steam distribution model specifically. My error entirely. Yes, the general acceptance of digital distribution does lower the cost of entry for an indie publisher. (Not that new, though. I've been playing a game that existed only in digital format from 1991 till the franchise died in 2010. Every year, an updated version was released. The game evolved enormously in 19 years, ending when the solitary dev chose to retire. The game probably had thousands of players world-wide. It would never have existed without digital distribution.)
Steam has a TON of indie games, that I doubt would ever have seen the light of day if it wasn't for digital distribution, either because the independent publisher couldn't bear the costs, or because it was simply refused by the high street & online retailers on the basis of being a too risky a product.
Steam might be 'picky' I don't know, but they sure can afford to be a lot less picky than those physically stocking optical media, since if it doesn't sell well, they lose nothing. Perhaps, but in a market increasingly dominated by a few Steam look-alikes, each with its own base locked into its unique ecosystem, the ability of an indie to attract notice and to win customers diminishes. That's part of the Service Bureau business model.
The point of the Service Bureau model is to lock customers into their ecosystem and make using anyone else's product, whether another service bureau or an indie, expensive and unpleasant. Already, there are games that are only available through Steam-like services.
And whether they can afford to be picky or not, a corollary of the model is that it is the service bureau, not the customer, who determines which goods and services are to be offered. When coupled with the cost to leave an ecosystem, that is not a recipe for robust competition. And I would prefer to make that decision myself, not leave it to some profit-driven middleman.
Also as far I am aware, Steam doesn't determine the DRM - if any, that's down to the Games publisher/developer. DRM can be and often is enforced on DVD games anyway. Here I definitely disagree. If what you say were true, then the same DRM that causes many players grief when modding SH345 would exist on the version downloaded from Amazon and other sites. Fact is, it does not. Just take a look at the forums here at SubSim. A sizable majority of postings asking for help installing or modding SH345 turn out to be from Steam customers. If the publishers were enforcing the DRM, you would expect that other sellers of the download games would have the same issues.
My concern about the service bureau is that it is good for the publisher and good for the middleman, while offering illusory "benefits" and hidden costs to the end user. YMMV
Cloud is another story though.....
I'm more concerned about what 3d printing is going to do to manufacturing though, China better put their thinking hats on! because when that baby takes off, we could see a lot of factories shutting their doors for good! Amazon has already announced a 3D-printing service. You supply the descriptor file. They whack out your part and send to you. Rapid prototyping is not just a software tactic any more.
As for shutting factories, it's certainly going to impact a lot of modeling, prototyping, and custom fab shops. The mass producers, not so much, at least in the near term. It's still easier to use a 3D printer to make a die or mold, then use high-volume molding or stamping equipment for the production run. But onezie-twozie replacement parts will be popped out as needed. No need for inventory.
Mister Six
08-05-14, 06:20 AM
You guys should learn to shop around more :D
Got my digital copy of SH5 here, for the princely sum of £0.83p
http://www.g2play.net/category/2703/silent-hunter-5-battle-of-the-atlantic-uplay-key/
uplay key, digital download, mods up and plays just fine
revanche
08-05-14, 06:35 AM
Dont Give up hope .. Its a really great game when you can mod it !! ..
I have been watching some SH5 let's plays on YouTube and it looks GREAT, so i definitely need to try it with mods.
I just cannot believe there isn't a proper digital version available in Canada....:-?
revanche
08-05-14, 06:59 AM
Go to Ebay, you can pick up a copy of SH5 and a replacement DVD rom drive for less than $20 I bet. If you were in the UK, Id actually offer to send you both for cost of shipping only :O:
A very kind offer good sir.
Jimbuna
08-05-14, 07:07 AM
A very kind offer good sir.
Such is the quality of those in this fine community...welcome :sunny:
BigWalleye
08-05-14, 07:13 AM
You guys should learn to shop around more :D
Got my digital copy of SH5 here, for the princely sum of £0.83p
http://www.g2play.net/category/2703/silent-hunter-5-battle-of-the-atlantic-uplay-key/
uplay key, digital download, mods up and plays just fine
For those of us who are unfamiliar, could you please explain what a "U-play Key" is and how it can be used to obtain a downloaded install package that will install a moddable SH5? According to the site you linked to, a "U-play Key" is all you are purchasing for your 0.83 GBP. There seems to be more to this story, and I'm sure others would appreciate more information.
Mister Six
08-05-14, 11:02 AM
For those of us who are unfamiliar, could you please explain what a "U-play Key" is and how it can be used to obtain a downloaded install package that will install a moddable SH5? According to the site you linked to, a "U-play Key" is all you are purchasing for your 0.83 GBP. There seems to be more to this story, and I'm sure others would appreciate more information.
Well, Uplay is ubisoft's Digital Distribution Platform, much like Valve's 'Steam' and EA's 'Origin'
Purchased games are tied to individual accounts on these platforms through the use of unique keys, these keys can come with boxed retail games, or through online retail sellers.
CD Key, Steam Key, Origin Key, Uplay key, it's all the same game, just on different distribution platforms.
A DVD boxed version of SH5 requires you to install uplay, as it's the publishers choice of distribution platform. You install uplay, enter your DVD key and tie the game to your uplay account, and from then on launch the game through the uplay launcher.
I already had a uplay account and launcher installed from other ubisoft games I own, so I just bought a silent hunter 5 key from an online reseller, and activated it on my uplay account.
There are literally hundreds of online retailers selling digital keys for games on Steam, Uplay and Origin. Never buy direct from the publisher, you can nearly always find it cheaper elsewhere, and the older the game, the cheaper you can get it (that goes for Steam too)
An an example, Sniper Elite 3 just came out a month ago, it's currently £39.99 GBP to purchase through Steam, the full publishers release price.
G2play will sell you a steam key for £14.87 http://www.g2play.net/category/7468/sniper-elite-iii-steam-key/
Six
BigWalleye
08-05-14, 01:41 PM
Well, Uplay is ubisoft's Digital Distribution Platform, much like Valve's 'Steam' and EA's 'Origin'
Purchased games are tied to individual accounts on these platforms through the use of unique keys, these keys can come with boxed retail games, or through online retail sellers.
CD Key, Steam Key, Origin Key, Uplay key, it's all the same game, just on different distribution platforms.
A DVD boxed version of SH5 requires you to install uplay, as it's the publishers choice of distribution platform. You install uplay, enter your DVD key and tie the game to your uplay account, and from then on launch the game through the uplay launcher.
I already had a uplay account and launcher installed from other ubisoft games I own, so I just bought a silent hunter 5 key from an online reseller, and activated it on my uplay account.
There are literally hundreds of online retailers selling digital keys for games on Steam, Uplay and Origin. Never buy direct from the publisher, you can nearly always find it cheaper elsewhere, and the older the game, the cheaper you can get it (that goes for Steam too)
An an example, Sniper Elite 3 just came out a month ago, it's currently £39.99 GBP to purchase through Steam, the full publishers release price.
G2play will sell you a steam key for £14.87 http://www.g2play.net/category/7468/sniper-elite-iii-steam-key/
Six
Thanks, Mister Six. Been so long since I got SH5 that I had forgotten. But don't you still have to have a downloaded or DVD-based copy of the game install package? IIRC, U-play doesn't install the game. It's just an online DRM, yes?
Mister Six
08-05-14, 01:53 PM
Uplay downloads the install files to a cache location of your choice, then deletes after install (just like steam etc)
So if you just pause after downloading and just before installing, copy and paste the install files somewhere, you don't have to download every time you do a clean install, just copy/paste the files back to the install cache, then tell uplay to download/install again.
If you really wanted you could burn them to an install DVD, it's exactly the same files. I just have them stashed on a diff partition, and copy them into the cache every time I do a fresh install. If I lose them, or run low on HD space and delete them, it's a twenty minute download tops
Six
revanche
08-05-14, 09:26 PM
Uplay downloads the install files to a cache location of your choice, then deletes after install (just like steam etc)
So if you just pause after downloading and just before installing, copy and paste the install files somewhere, you don't have to download every time you do a clean install, just copy/paste the files back to the install cache, then tell uplay to download/install again.
If you really wanted you could burn them to an install DVD, it's exactly the same files. I just have them stashed on a diff partition, and copy them into the cache every time I do a fresh install. If I lose them, or run low on HD space and delete them, it's a twenty minute download tops
Six
Six, thanks for tip....
As it turns out, I was searching in the wrong fricken place. Ubi does dump a lot of files in it's Game Launcher folder and that is where i searched; however, what i did not notice was that Ubi created another game folder in the base C: drive. I only feel half stupid for missing that.
Sooo. It's there! It works! And it's glorious.
Made a donation to Subsim in lieu of flowers :D
Reverie
08-10-14, 05:43 PM
During the early nineties when I purchased a software product, the software product was mine. Granted, there may have been a necessary patch to properly run the program; what, five maybe six kilobytes worth of code correction? I placed it on disk and patched the program; it was mine.
I patched a relatively recent "X-COM" DVD release; the download was 1.6GB. 1.6GB isn't a patch! That's a damned program re-write! And my unreliable ISP charged me almost $500 for the data transmission! I hear Sprint is being one of other ISPs investigated for collusion; downgrading user data stream at their own volition regardless of Consumer Account credibility.
When you purchase a product, it is yours.
Let me be politically correct: "When you purchase a product, it should be yours."
Does anyone patronizing these Silent Hunter products ever question why these programs are only worth running after they have been Modded, Redesigned, and at times Rewritten?
The original packaging disk anchor of SH3 was the length of a spindle!?
Room for more disks?! From software provided by consumers/modders, no doubt.
The greatest problem facing users of this program isn't the lack of enhancements.
It is a lack of cohesion.
Let me be impoliticaly correct: "It is a lack of consolidation."
Too many Mods. Too many code conflicts. Too much adhering to a proprietary operating system (:huh:) and associated peripheral sycophants.
SubSim features avenues announcing and displaying the endeavors of many talents who strive to extend the value of a consumer product, a product these individuals improve without recompense. I continue to enjoy SH3 which, without the efforts of Modders, should have been relegated to the dustbin long ago.
Consolidation.
Would SubSim promote a unionization of particularly successful and reliable SH3 Mods that would not cancel each other out, and otherwise fatal the program, or disable it altogether? From what I read on this forum, Mod bashing seems to be the most unsettling issue with SH3.
Consolidation is also a marketable strategy. It's been done before. I've always felt these artists should have been rewarded for their work with more than user complaints about other Modders work not being agreeable with other Mods.
Many will just say "SH5!".
Naw. Too many Mods. Too many unsolved problems. Too many questions. Too many complaints.
SH3 is still a viable, entertaining product. Will there ever be a forum entry that says "This is the only SH3 MOD you will ever need." ?
Hope so.
Please, don't sink 'em all. My Mods might not be able to handle it.
Reverie :wah:
Sailor Steve
08-10-14, 08:26 PM
During the early nineties when I purchased a software product, the software product was mine. Granted, there may have been a necessary patch to properly run the program; what, five maybe six kilobytes worth of code correction? I placed it on disk and patched the program; it was mine.
That is true, and it's a sad loss that it still doesn't work that way.
However, the question was whether the OP wasted his money. There are a great many players who believe that despite the DRM problems and "ownership" questions, SH5 is still the best of the series. Whether you or I agree or disagree, the fact remains that many people enjoy SH5 and would love to help others do so as well.
Would SubSim promote a unionization of particularly successful and reliable SH3 Mods that would not cancel each other out, and otherwise fatal the program, or disable it altogether? From what I read on this forum, Mod bashing seems to be the most unsettling issue with SH3.
Unless I misunderstand your meaning, I thought that was what the supermods were intended to do. The problem is that someone will always be making new mods, small and large, which players will like and want to incorporate. We once had a request to combine two of SH3's biggest supermods, and I had to ask the question "To who's liking?" People use the different mods because they like what they're favorite does, and combining inevitably means taking the function of one over the other, which means that anyone who prefered the other will be dissatisfied.
Many will just say "SH5!".
Naw. Too many Mods. Too many unsolved problems. Too many questions. Too many complaints.
This is my main reason for posting here. We have had problems in the past with people who prefer one game going into the other game's forums and giving all their reasons why their favorite is the best. I'm sure that wasn't your intent, at least I hope not. I just want to make sure this doesn't turn into another "us vs them" situation.
SH3 is still a viable, entertaining product. Will there ever be a forum entry that says "This is the only SH3 MOD you will ever need." ?
Hope so.
I don't believe that's possible, for the reasons I mentioned above. As soon as you have that ultimate mod someone will solve another problem, or come up with an idea no one has thought of before, and players will start piling them on again.
Me? I like it that way. :sunny:
Steeltrap
08-14-14, 11:05 PM
Wow, look at all these names I've not seen for years!
Popped in to see what's what, and also got SH 3 again and am trying to mod it.
Yes, I got it through steam, LOL.
High to Steve and Jimbuna and others. Hope you've all been well.
Jimbuna
08-15-14, 09:31 AM
Wow, look at all these names I've not seen for years!
Popped in to see what's what, and also got SH 3 again and am trying to mod it.
Yes, I got it through steam, LOL.
High to Steve and Jimbuna and others. Hope you've all been well.
Welcome back to the community matey :salute:
You can buy Silent Hunter Complete for $2.50 on Gamersgate right now. It says the DRM is Tagès, so I think it's the Uplay version if you want to mod it.
How to Patch the steam version of SH5:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=214687
Lexandro
08-26-14, 08:29 AM
You can buy Silent Hunter Complete for $2.50 on Gamersgate right now. It says the DRM is Tagès, so I think it's the Uplay version if you want to mod it.
Some advice from someone who knows. NEVER EVER buy a game with TAGES as the DRM, it will ruin your game even with legit titles. TAGES is a DRM system thats hooked in to different parts of the game. If at any time TAGES is not happy it will screw up the game data deliberately to ruin the game. Thats its function, not to make you put a disc in or to ensure you have the correct version. Its just there for totally f..k up the game data while your playing if it detects something it doesn't like. And if you have any kind of burning software or disc publishing it WILL stop working untill you remove said burning software. As for mods........forget about it, TAGES has in the past refused to run with any kind of mod whatsoever, and if you use a "patcher" like TDW's stuffs it will gaurantee to ruin the install.
All in all its one of the THEE most draconian DRM's there is.
Swabbie
08-26-14, 03:10 PM
So the Amazon version can be modded but the Steam and Ubisoft downloads can't.
Was thinking about finally buying the game. Glad I came to these forums before I did.
Thank you Gentlemen.
You guys should learn to shop around more :D
Got my digital copy of SH5 here, for the princely sum of £0.83p
http://www.g2play.net/category/2703/silent-hunter-5-battle-of-the-atlantic-uplay-key/
uplay key, digital download, mods up and plays just fine
What the hell it was 1 Euro here in my country, I bought one just to see if it works.
So I can confirm this is legit, you get the key, you paste it into your uplay client and you get the game. And it is a PATCHABLE ONE (1.15 version use the updater to get it to 1.2 then patch it) :D :woot::up:
Swabbie
08-30-14, 06:49 PM
I started playing 4 again after about a year off. Saw that 5 was going for ten bucks. So, went to the SubSim store and bought the game. I think I just wasted my money. I can't believe how bad 5 is. I've been sub simming since Silent Service on the C64. In my opinion. This is the worst sub sim ever.
Pigboat39
09-02-14, 09:27 PM
I have the Gold Edition that I downloaded from Steam. I had a disk copy that I gave to my nephew a few montrhs ago. I wish I never had. The Gold Edition often crashes at the oddest times, will many times reload the saved games incorrectly, robs you of campaign points every chance it gets, and generally seems dedicated to frustrating your entire gaming experience.
I plan to purchase another disk copy as soon as possible, because I never seemed to have near the problems with it as I do now. While I still enjoy the game overall, I shall never order a Steam download and completely trust it again.....Had many problems with the download of Shogun II that I downloaded from Steam. It has yet to even open from the start up properly, and they won't reimburse me for the 49.00+ that I paid for it. They keep on saying that it is somehow my fault, and keep giving me advice that won't work. Never again!!!!!
Customer service sucks from Steam. I may as well be talking to a guy from India as well as expect good service. (What a deal......Really???!!)
Sailor Steve
09-03-14, 08:31 AM
I started playing 4 again after about a year off. Saw that 5 was going for ten bucks. So, went to the SubSim store and bought the game. I think I just wasted my money. I can't believe how bad 5 is. I've been sub simming since Silent Service on the C64. In my opinion. This is the worst sub sim ever.
You've been a member for four years. One would hope you would have read all the ongoing controversy before making your decision to purchase.
The bottom line is that out of the box SH5 is dreadful. Even the people who now love the game agree with that. In that light the question arises: Have you tried any of the mods yet? Much work has done in improving the game, and the improvements have been vast, and a great many people are of the opinion that SH5 is the best sub sim ever.
THEBERBSTER
09-03-14, 05:14 PM
There is nothing wrong with SH5
Time and time again people with completely no understanding how SH5 works come out with these crass statements.
Surely there is more than enough forum posts with people like Sober, vdr1981, Sjizzle and others explaining how mods add enjoyment and immersion to the game.
Whether you have 3-4-5 out of the box they are all crap until you add mods and mods that fix the games flaws.
Modders have taken a lot of their time to give us today an extremely playable SH5
Have a look at my tutorials posts and you might get a better understanding of SH5
Link to my Step By Step Tutorials & How To Do It
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=211804 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=211804)
BigWalleye
09-04-14, 07:59 AM
There is nothing wrong with SH5.
Whether you have 3-4-5 out of the box they are all crap until you add mods and mods that fix the games flaws.
With all due respect, these two statements appear to directly contradict each other.
I understand that you are trying to defend the game that you enjoy. A bit more clarity might make a stronger argument.
Lexandro
09-04-14, 12:08 PM
While I respect your opinion Berester, I completely disagree with it. There is plenty wrong with Sh5 in my view.
Whats "wrong" and "right" is subjective. To me its "wrong" sh5 only has a German campaign, as is the lack of subs to chose from. The UI is horrendous and the requirement to ALWAYS start at the dockyard is tedious and highly aggravating due to AI harbour ships. And the complete lack of crew management is a real disapointment, being replaced with a horrible moral system for officers. Oh and the bad coding.
Which is why I think Sh4 is a superior game, even if its not a superior sim or as good looking.
THEBERBSTER
09-06-14, 11:20 AM
No game is or will ever be perfect.
What I was trying to say is in my view, and by the looks of it many others, SH5 works when good mods are added.
While you may disagree that is your prerogative.
People like Dr Jones 237,000 hits, Fifi 49,000 hits, Sober 500,000 hits, TDW 1.7 million hits, Trevally 556,000 hits, vdr1981 96,000 hits and others modders have put a lot of hard work in to make the game SH5 more playable.
From the received responses it’s not all doom and gloom.
Celestial fixes using the sextant, full control of the dive planes, being able to set independent engine controls, real navigation, are just some of the additions that have been added for those who want to take the game to another level.
I play both SH4 and SH5 most days.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
There are bits of SH4 I would have liked to have seen in SH5 and vice versa.
Every game we play is a compromised in some way.
Docking does not bother me in fact I always select dock in SH4 as to me it all part of the overall experience.
I found having to move the crew irritating in RFB to three different stations to protect them in the event of coming under attack which why I prefer to play TMOwtw 2.50
It may be that my expectations are lower than others.
After all it is only a game that we are playing.
Peter
BigWalleye
09-06-14, 11:42 AM
Copied this post from another thread on this forum. I believe it speaks for itself.
Hi Capt J
I have played the Baltic Operation probably in to double figures.
I have only had 3 successful completions without ctd,s.
I too had a ctd the last time when submerged and a further ctd on the way to Kiel.
So do not worry too much about ctd's around the Danzig Bay area.
If you get them on your next patrol then start worrying.
Peter
Netscape Navigator
09-24-14, 05:42 AM
I have played the steam version and non-steam version.
un-modded they both CTD randomly all the time
modded the game crashes to desktop all the time
actually I get far better framerates with the steam version for some odd reason
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