Skybird
07-10-14, 12:34 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-asks-top-cia-official-to-leave-country-a-980372.html
On a diplomatic level, it is no less than an earthquake and represents a measure that until Thursday would have only been implemented against pariah states like North Korea or Iran. It also underscores just how deep tensions have grown between Berlin and Washington over the spying affair.
In context:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-nsa-experts-on-us-spying-in-germany-a-979215.html
The Germans act naive, impotent and helpless, imo. US spionage is doing the biggest damage of all foreign powers to German economy now, because stealing business information is at the core of American, Russian and Chinese intel activities. But the Germans trust in meaningless words and rethoric phrases, and the yalmost ask for being exploited in their naive goodwillingness. Also, there is a hidden cooperation, with the BND serving as kind of sub-contractor of US services. Last point, like the second link says, national security has become the state religion in the US now. Some mon ths ago, a high reprersentative or even the chief of US services had to admit to a committee that so far the massive boost in UIS intel after 9/11 has not yed led to the solid prvention of a single terror attack on US soil. That makes it somewhat hard to sell the argument it is only about counter terrorism. It is about business. And germany pays the bill (for the Germans are in no way capable to deliver the same scale of intel activities to the US).
In other words: the US are stalking for prey: stealing economically relevant secret data, business information, and the like.
On the other hand there is a valid interest in Washington to not see Europe as a close ally anymore. Many Muslim terror plots globally have been bred on European soil, and German soil, and the continent is turning into a EU-led, extremely left-leaning centralised "Rätediktatur" by Sowjet example. Germany and America are no close friends anymore, that is just rethorics for the cameras, and with focus of US forces shifting to the Pacific, there nevertheless is a high need therefore to know in advance what those suspicious crazies in the old world are next up to. Former US ambassador Jack Kornblum put it best some months ago in a German TV format, saying something like these words: "We are no friends, we are partners on some issues. States have no friends - states have interests." The German public was stunned, and felt like being slapped in the face (which only shows how naive Germans really dream about German-American relations).
States use each other, and for that they cheat and lie and betray. There is no such thing like "special relations", and "historic ties". That is just glue mixed with candy to get the public onboard. British are especially prone to that, and thus allowed to be abused by America in three wars.
Dear Germans, if you want to show a real mature reaction to the ongoing American attacks (and thats what it is about: attacks), then stop pathetically parading your infantility with symbolic acts and hopeful wordings, but fight back. You want US intel out of Germany and save the German economy from information worth billions stolen by the US every year? Then make them, else they will not stop. They do it, because they can do it, and you cannot stop them. So prepare to set up a fight, boost your intel, become independent from American server, prepare your own internet, kick them that it hurts, degrade diplomatic relations, and get ready to wage cyberwar against the US like they wage against us. You will need to fight on several fronts, and against Britain as well. At least.
Have I disturbed your diplomatic daydreams? I'm so sorry.
While you spend years in preparing because in the past you have lazily failed to prepare and invest into the needed infrastructure, the American raids will continue, and the Russian and Chinese as well. And the French. And the British.
Dear Germany, you now pay the price for your own short-sightedness and naive follies. Destroying material value in the Euro experiment was so much more important than to prepare your defences, right? You thought you were so clever in letting America do the military job and build its military, while wasting your wealth for "social justice"? You cannot betray the devil. The devil in the end always presents his bill. And the US using its cyber ability to steal from German economy and to spy on German people is the bill he presents this time. To you, to us, to Germany.
The distortions due to the dollar printing regime, also is part of that bill.
I have no doubt that the US will not change one thing on state of things. They maybe will start to weasel, and give maybe (maybe!) excuses, and promises to not do it again, and German politicians will swallow it sooner or later. But behind the smoke screen American diplomacy will set up, nothing will change. Instead, they will intensify the spying on Germany.
From an American POV, that is what I would do at least.
Maybe they even will expel some German diplomat now? :) Possible. the game can be played by two for sure. And after the round is over, Germany stands there with lowered trousers and impotent defences against American cyberattacks. :haha:
On the friendship thing, friendship only exists between private people. Some forum members here, for example. But our nations - are rivals that sometimes cooperate where they share interests - at best.
You can not be tolerant from a position of weakness and inferiority. You can be tolerant only when you are superior to the other, and stronger. The inferior, when adapting to demands by the superior, is not tolerant by giving in to that pressure. He just bows to a superior opponent, and realises who is cat and who is mouse.
Next Germany will file a complaint to the UN, eh? :har:
On a diplomatic level, it is no less than an earthquake and represents a measure that until Thursday would have only been implemented against pariah states like North Korea or Iran. It also underscores just how deep tensions have grown between Berlin and Washington over the spying affair.
In context:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-nsa-experts-on-us-spying-in-germany-a-979215.html
The Germans act naive, impotent and helpless, imo. US spionage is doing the biggest damage of all foreign powers to German economy now, because stealing business information is at the core of American, Russian and Chinese intel activities. But the Germans trust in meaningless words and rethoric phrases, and the yalmost ask for being exploited in their naive goodwillingness. Also, there is a hidden cooperation, with the BND serving as kind of sub-contractor of US services. Last point, like the second link says, national security has become the state religion in the US now. Some mon ths ago, a high reprersentative or even the chief of US services had to admit to a committee that so far the massive boost in UIS intel after 9/11 has not yed led to the solid prvention of a single terror attack on US soil. That makes it somewhat hard to sell the argument it is only about counter terrorism. It is about business. And germany pays the bill (for the Germans are in no way capable to deliver the same scale of intel activities to the US).
In other words: the US are stalking for prey: stealing economically relevant secret data, business information, and the like.
On the other hand there is a valid interest in Washington to not see Europe as a close ally anymore. Many Muslim terror plots globally have been bred on European soil, and German soil, and the continent is turning into a EU-led, extremely left-leaning centralised "Rätediktatur" by Sowjet example. Germany and America are no close friends anymore, that is just rethorics for the cameras, and with focus of US forces shifting to the Pacific, there nevertheless is a high need therefore to know in advance what those suspicious crazies in the old world are next up to. Former US ambassador Jack Kornblum put it best some months ago in a German TV format, saying something like these words: "We are no friends, we are partners on some issues. States have no friends - states have interests." The German public was stunned, and felt like being slapped in the face (which only shows how naive Germans really dream about German-American relations).
States use each other, and for that they cheat and lie and betray. There is no such thing like "special relations", and "historic ties". That is just glue mixed with candy to get the public onboard. British are especially prone to that, and thus allowed to be abused by America in three wars.
Dear Germans, if you want to show a real mature reaction to the ongoing American attacks (and thats what it is about: attacks), then stop pathetically parading your infantility with symbolic acts and hopeful wordings, but fight back. You want US intel out of Germany and save the German economy from information worth billions stolen by the US every year? Then make them, else they will not stop. They do it, because they can do it, and you cannot stop them. So prepare to set up a fight, boost your intel, become independent from American server, prepare your own internet, kick them that it hurts, degrade diplomatic relations, and get ready to wage cyberwar against the US like they wage against us. You will need to fight on several fronts, and against Britain as well. At least.
Have I disturbed your diplomatic daydreams? I'm so sorry.
While you spend years in preparing because in the past you have lazily failed to prepare and invest into the needed infrastructure, the American raids will continue, and the Russian and Chinese as well. And the French. And the British.
Dear Germany, you now pay the price for your own short-sightedness and naive follies. Destroying material value in the Euro experiment was so much more important than to prepare your defences, right? You thought you were so clever in letting America do the military job and build its military, while wasting your wealth for "social justice"? You cannot betray the devil. The devil in the end always presents his bill. And the US using its cyber ability to steal from German economy and to spy on German people is the bill he presents this time. To you, to us, to Germany.
The distortions due to the dollar printing regime, also is part of that bill.
I have no doubt that the US will not change one thing on state of things. They maybe will start to weasel, and give maybe (maybe!) excuses, and promises to not do it again, and German politicians will swallow it sooner or later. But behind the smoke screen American diplomacy will set up, nothing will change. Instead, they will intensify the spying on Germany.
From an American POV, that is what I would do at least.
Maybe they even will expel some German diplomat now? :) Possible. the game can be played by two for sure. And after the round is over, Germany stands there with lowered trousers and impotent defences against American cyberattacks. :haha:
On the friendship thing, friendship only exists between private people. Some forum members here, for example. But our nations - are rivals that sometimes cooperate where they share interests - at best.
You can not be tolerant from a position of weakness and inferiority. You can be tolerant only when you are superior to the other, and stronger. The inferior, when adapting to demands by the superior, is not tolerant by giving in to that pressure. He just bows to a superior opponent, and realises who is cat and who is mouse.
Next Germany will file a complaint to the UN, eh? :har: