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Sailor Steve
07-02-14, 06:25 PM
I know, we do this every year. It's been seven years now since I started it. I was going to write a whole new article, but when I read the one I wrote back then I decided it was as good as I could make it, and a new one wasn't going to be any better.

So, here is the article I wrote on July 2, 2007:

Happy Independence Day!

What? Two days early?

Well, yes and no. Meaning you get to hear one of my favorite stories.

After the 'French and Indian War' (Known as the 'Seven-Years War' to the rest of the civilized western world), the British parliament decided that the American colonies should help pay for it, seeing as how a large part of the war was fought here, and colonial militia Major George Washington played a large in starting it.

Of course everyone knows how the colonists felt that they should levy their own taxes, or else get their own representatives in parliament - "No Taxation Without Representation", and all that. Originally that was all they wanted. Then they complained to King George III that parliament was treating them badly, and they wanted separate but equal status; which would have made them the first Commonwealth country - our own government, but still under the King. Unfortunately, George told them to stop acting like children and pay their taxes like good little subjects, and of course that made the colonials want to sit right up and say "Yes, Sire!" - NOT!

Most people also know how the Royal Governer of Massachussetts got scared and asked for troops to defend his a...um, keep the peace; and how in 1770 some of those troops got pushed around and shot back; and how in 1773 Sam Adams and friends objected to having to pay a tax on tea when the Honourable East India Company could import said tea for no charge, and said tea ended up at the bottom of Boston Harbor.

And of course the war actually started on April 19, 1775, when the troops were sent to seize the colonists armory at Concorde, Massachussetts, the first American Gun Control act. The colonists fought back at Lexington and Concorde, and the war was underway. Many of the colonial leaders at that time still hoped to reach an equitable peace and stay British.

Over the next fifteen months the Continental Congress was formed and formally declared war, and several commuities and colonies created their own declarations of independence. It was finally decided to make the independence general, and Congress set about making it official.

The Second Continental Congress met in Philadelphia in May 1776, and on June 7 Richard Henry Lee issued a resolution That these united colonies are, and of a right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be totally disolved.

On June 11 Congress appointed the "Committee Of Five" to create a formal declaration, consisting of Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Roger Sherman and Robert Livingston. They voted that Jefferson should write the document, and the committee would then examine and revise it. Adams wrote years later that Jefferson offered him the job, but that he said Jefferson was better qualified Reason First. You are a Virginian and a Virginian ought to appear the head of the business.
Reason Second. I am obnoxious, suspected, and unpopular; you are very much otherwise.
Reason Third. You can write ten times better than I can.
Jefferson wrote that it didn't really happen that way, but it's still a great story.

Jefferson finished the first draft, discussed some changes with Adams and gave it to Franklin on June 21. On July 2, the revised copy was presented to Congress, and they voted for independence. They then proceeded to revise the document further as a whole. The most important record of that day was a letter from John Adams to his wife Abigail: The Second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epocha in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated as the Day Of Deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and illuminations from one end of this continent to the other from this time forward forever more.

How could Adams have been so wrong? On July 3 the Congress made several more revisions, some of which broke Jeffersons's heart. Among these was a clause in which he accused King George of being responsible for the slave trade, a patently false premise which probably deserved removal.

The final copy was ready on July 4, and they took a vote deciding that this was the copy they wanted to send to the printers. Adams wrote nothing in his diary or a letter concerning that day, and Jefferson only wrote in his account book that he purchased a new thermometer and seven pairs of gloves for his wife.

So why the 4th, and not the 2nd? Two reasons:

1) The vote for independence really wasn't as important as the Declaration itself, as the stated purpose was to explain to the rest of the world why they were fighting against the Mother Country.

2) The copy that went to the printers on the fourth, and entered into history on the fifth; the copy we have today; says right there at the top, very first thing: IN CONGRESS, JULY 4TH, 1776...

One last irony: both Adams and Jefferson 'remembered' in old age signing the document on the 4th. This is also untrue - they all signed it in a special session a month later, on August 2nd. It was then that John Hancock signed in large letters, not so King George could "read it without his spectacles", but so there would be no mistaking that he was the president of the Congress and the ringleader of the rebels. It was also then that Benjamin Franklin made his famous statement "Now, gentlemen, we must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately."

Oh, one more reason to honor the 4th as the official day: John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both died the same day, exactly 50 years later, on July 4th, 1826.
And a link to the original thread.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=117740

Platapus
07-02-14, 06:50 PM
Yup. Only something a confirmed history nut would be concerned with.

I made a similar post at work today. :D

Sailor Steve
07-02-14, 09:16 PM
And you started the thread here in 2008. I'm surprised nobody beat me to it this year. :sunny:

Red October1984
07-02-14, 09:54 PM
Happy 'Merica day. :woot:

I *nearly* opened a "Happy REAL Independence Day" thread...but I figured nah...somebody else will here in a few hours.

Jimbuna
07-03-14, 05:17 AM
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soopaman2
07-03-14, 09:54 AM
Happy Birthday America, for all your flaws, I still love you.

I am happy and lucky I was born here, alot of other countries where you are born with no chance, and are lucky to get out of childhood without starving or succumbing to a disease.

Greatest place on Earth IMHO.

But I am biased:D

Jimbuna
07-03-14, 01:29 PM
Yeah, just a tad.

Oberon
07-04-14, 07:41 AM
Happy Will Smith Day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1YvJBwC4xQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0mVBLrjRAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UceS6lY9ers

:yeah:

Betonov
07-04-14, 08:04 AM
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nikimcbee
07-04-14, 10:34 AM
12 hours to firework time.:woot::woot::woot:

Sailor Steve
07-04-14, 10:39 AM
12 hours to firework time.:woot::woot::woot:
Until the big displays, you mean. People around here have been setting off their own since Monday.

nikimcbee
07-04-14, 11:13 AM
Until the big displays, you mean. People around here have been setting off their own since Monday.
I do my own fireworks.:woot:
Since we bought a new house and live in a new neighborhood, I'm not sure who will call the police (or not), so I didn't go to Washington to buy fireworks this year (dammit:/\\!!). I'm stuck with lame ore-gone fireworks.

fireftr18
07-04-14, 11:18 AM
Happy Independence Day to my American friends. :woot:

To my English friends, we still love you. We're like siblings, we may spat amongst ourselves, but stand together if someone attacks one of us. :D

Oberon
07-04-14, 12:57 PM
Yeah, you guys are alright, you have crazy parties from time to time, but you helped us out, and we've helped you out, so it's all good stuff. :shucks:

Wolferz
07-04-14, 04:13 PM
Now, if we could just gain our freedom from idiot politicians who act like two year olds.:stare:

I know, let's lock them in a car on a hot July day in Georgia and show the bozos what brutal and insensitive is all about.:arrgh!:

Kaptlt.Endrass
07-04-14, 04:24 PM
I do my own fireworks.:woot:
Since we bought a new house and live in a new neighborhood, I'm not sure who will call the police (or not), so I didn't go to Washington to buy fireworks this year (dammit:/\\!!). I'm stuck with lame ore-gone fireworks.

Down here in Cali, if you got a permit and know where to go, you can get some jumbo-ultra-mega premium size Mexican fireworks. Can't wait to light this year's off.

(Currently listening to 'The Angry American' and the like)


This has always been my favorite holiday. The symbolism of it (die-hard American), along with the good food, good times, and soon, good beer. I love the U.S.A., I just dislike where she's headed.

soopaman2
07-04-14, 05:40 PM
Yeah, you guys are alright, you have crazy parties from time to time, but you helped us out, and we've helped you out, so it's all good stuff. :shucks:



Sure we had some bad history, but once we both got past the resentment for each other we ended up great pals, I would even say England is our best friend and ally, they even seem to hate Americans less than most other European countries, which is wierd considering we revolted from them.


You guys got us good when you torched our whitehouse, that was hoot.:D Funny prank.

Then that time in the mid 1910s, when we all dug holes and played with huge firecrackers together.
Then a few decades later, we had that huge party. Everyone was in on it, We showed up late, but we brought alot of beer and drugs.

That party was awesome, we trashed Hitlers house, and Stalin got so drunk he passed out, and we drew penises on his face and tweeted out pics. My favorite from that party was Churchhill zooming around in FDRs wheelchair.

Man we had some fun times together!:03:

Oberon
07-04-14, 05:46 PM
Yeah, that was a good time, although when Patton tried out FDRs wheelchair, man did it not go well. :doh: You showed up late to the first party too, but we were all pretty tired by that time, so it was good to have someone bring some extra life to the party. :yep:

However, there is one thing, just one thing that divides us:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10498361_10154328712510483_8957276931537693286_o.j pg

soopaman2
07-04-14, 05:51 PM
Oberon!

Blasphemy!

touche, we had that coming.:O:

Rockstar
07-04-14, 06:52 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OkpXSmZv5lw/U7KV2QL5PSI/AAAAAAAAq7s/r9301jvLu9w/s1600/funny-sheet-types-countries-USA-moon.jpg

U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A! :rock:

Kaptlt.Endrass
07-04-14, 07:05 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OkpXSmZv5lw/U7KV2QL5PSI/AAAAAAAAq7s/r9301jvLu9w/s1600/funny-sheet-types-countries-USA-moon.jpg

U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A! :rock:

OORAH!



That party, I think that Donitz and I did the drawings on Stalin. Then we got arrested for using U-2501 while wasted. We were released, then promptly pissed and shat on Stalin's limo. We both REALLY hated him.

Then Donitz found out that FDR and Churchill pranked him, but never said what it was. Anyone know?

Aktungbby
07-04-14, 07:25 PM
Happy Independence Day to my American friends. :woot:

To my English friends, we still love you. We're like siblings, we may spat amongst ourselves, but stand together if someone attacks one of us. :D

Yeah, that was a good time, although when Patton tried out FDRs wheelchair, man did it not go well. :doh: You showed up late to the first party too, but we were all pretty tired by that time, so it was good to have someone bring some extra life to the party. :yep:

However, there is one thing, just one thing that divides us:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10498361_10154328712510483_8957276931537693286_o.j pg C'mon now the Atlantic IS (for the last half Milennium)an English speaking lake-if not exactly the lingo of diplomacy...And we've got your other Bridge! and it ain't fallin' down!:Kaleun_Goofy::Kaleun_Party: :Kaleun_Wink: :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/London_Bridge%2C_Lake_Havasu%2C_Arizona%2C_2003.jp gLake Havasu, Arizona

soopaman2
07-04-14, 07:55 PM
All jokes aside, how they dismantled, shipped and reassembled that bridge is an interesting story. As you can imagine it was not easy, and quite a bold and eccentric undertaking.

Kaptlt.Endrass
07-04-14, 07:59 PM
All jokes aside, how they dismantled, shipped and reassembled that bridge is an interesting story. As you can imagine it was not easy, and quite a bold and eccentric undertaking.

Sure it wasn't a great and noble one?

nikimcbee
07-04-14, 08:15 PM
Here's what I purpose the next time we have to save England's bacon in a European conflict. Instead of dragging out feet like the last 2 wars, we'll help you, but you gotta drive on the correct side of the road.:up:

Jimbuna
07-05-14, 05:20 AM
Here's what I purpose the next time we have to save England's bacon in a European conflict. Instead of dragging out feet like the last 2 wars, we'll help you, but you gotta drive on the correct side of the road.:up:

We already drive on the correct side of the road ya cheeky bugga and never forget....we paid you for the lone of your hose, even if you did stall until the fire was well under way.

mapuc
07-05-14, 01:26 PM
Happy Independence say to all my American friends(sorry a bit late)

Markus

vienna
07-05-14, 01:39 PM
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10498361_10154328712510483_8957276931537693286_o.j pg


Well, that there looks like an EPA violation, son...


<O>

Jimbuna
07-06-14, 06:34 AM
Just look at the effect it is having on the river water :o

Alex
07-06-14, 07:45 AM
I know, we do this every year.

I was going to write a whole new article, but when I read the one I wrote back then I decided it was as good as I could make it, and a new one wasn't going to be any better.
Still a lot to do in terms of proper independence, unfortunately... :-?

I was going to go for a big post myself now, but I'm no yankee myself, so out of respect for everybody, I won't let go what I think about what Uncle Sam is nor does nowadays, no serious grievance posted by a foreign guy needs to appear on a national day - I'll go for that stuff sometime later myself eventually ( :88) :O: ).

For now I'll let an American do the speaking in terms of what most people need not to forget on this very special day. :salute:

Today is Independence Day in America.

Every July 4th, Americans grill hamburgers and set off fireworks in honor of the Founding Fathers’ war of independence against British monarch King George III.
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Happy Independence day.

Wolferz
07-06-14, 10:29 AM
That bottle of tea is going in the right place, unhindered by human filters.:up: