Deployed submariner faces arrest, loss of daughter

[iambecomelife]

Bad break for this American submariner. At least in my opinion. The judge who's destroying his family, on the other hand, is quite satisfied with her legal rationale. Oh well.

http://www.businessinsider.com/judge-orders-deployed-sailor-appear-court-2014-6

[Oberon]

Murca

[TarJak]

:nope:

[Sailor Steve]

"At this point, I don't think I have any alternative but to enter a bench warrant for his arrest."

Lots of alternatives. It looks to me like the judge has already tried and convicted the guy.

[Wolferz]

Another female judge suffering from C.R. Syndrome. She might want to tread lightly in circumventing the rights of a service member, She may find a Federal bench warrant issued for her arrest.:nope:

[Jimbuna]

^ I sincerely hope that is the case because her current ruling is sheer lunacy :nope:

[HunterICX]

Lots of alternatives. It looks to me like the judge has already tried and convicted the guy.

:sign_yeah:

Not a flexible Judge at all with the many alternatives that can be provided to handle this.

[Oberon]

I wager it'll be bumped to a higher court who will overturn the ruling and defer the hearing until the guy gets back to port.

[Jimbuna]

I wager it'll be bumped to a higher court who will overturn the ruling and defer the hearing until the guy gets back to port.

Most hopefully :yep:

[ETR3(SS)]

There's a federal law in place to prevent exactly this from happening to service members. The judge needs to be removed from the bench and the Michigan state Bar.

[Wolferz]

Better call Saul.:smug:

[soopaman2]

Better call Saul.:smug:

Awesome reference, might be too obscure for this place though.
The blue gold has not touched this place.

A ruling like this from another biased domestic judge, just makes the appeal that much easier.

Women always want equal rights in the workplace, but when it comes to divorce and alimony and kids, they are always helpless maidens.

Using the kids as weapons against you, because they play the part of weeping abused useless, unable to find work because of the marraige, woman in the courtroom. No one believes a man in court, and for some reason there is alot of women judges in family courts. Man cheats, he is paying, woman cheats, man must have done something to force her.

[Wolferz]

Awesome reference, might be too obscure for this place though.
The blue gold has not touched this place.

A ruling like this from another biased domestic judge, just makes the appeal that much easier.

Women always want equal rights in the workplace, but when it comes to divorce and alimony and kids, they are always helpless maidens.

Using the kids as weapons against you, because they play the part of weeping abused useless, unable to find work because of the marraige, woman in the courtroom. No one believes a man in court, and for some reason there is alot of women judges in family courts. Man cheats, he is paying, woman cheats, man must have done something to force her.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"~ William Congreve circ., 1697

More of these family court judges need to pay heed to that 317 year old quote.:-?

[Onkel Neal]

Awesome reference, might be too obscure for this place though.
The blue gold has not touched this place.

A ruling like this from another biased domestic judge, just makes the appeal that much easier.

Women always want equal rights in the workplace, but when it comes to divorce and alimony and kids, they are always helpless maidens.

I got the reference :)

As for this ruling, it falls in line with pretty much all the rest-- "for the child's best interests".... which is another way of saying saddle the father with most of the costs and very little of the time with the child.

[Wolferz]

A co-worker of mine went through a divorce with a very vindictive spouse who had a better job than he could ever hope to gain but she insisted on milking him dry anyway. To the point of constantly calling the home office of the company we worked for and asking what he was being paid. If he got a raise she would haul him back into court to get her share of it. She got the kids, the house and his wages to the point of having two new cars parked in her driveway. One of them a Corvette. All gained by using the children as a crowbar in court to leverage more of his pay into her own greedy pocket.

The way I see it in this modern age is... It takes two to tango and produce children but, it only takes one judge with draconian values to commit a one-sided robbery.
Both parents should be held equally responsible monetarily for their offspring.

Not all women are these helpless maidens with children to raise.
Not all dads are deadbeats until the divorce courts put them in the poor house.:-?

[Betonov]

Soops, it was blue sky, not gold :03:

On topic makes me want to go into rage mode.
Here's hoping he has a good lawyer.

[Wolferz]

Soops, it was blue sky, not gold :03:

On topic makes me want to go into rage mode.
Here's hoping he has a good lawyer.

:haha: The Blue Gold that Soopa refers to is a fictional illicit drug product in a fictional television series called Breaking Bad. Brought on by my reference to a fictional lawyer character named Saul from the same show.:D

This particular judge must be one of the elected variety. What I consider the bottom rung in our judiciary system.:-? They often allow their new found power to go to their heads in a bad way. Enriching their attorney colleagues in the process.:down: The worst scam going when so called professionals use a dead language to conduct their business.:hmmm:

I'm with ETR3 on this one.:salute: The crazy woman needs to be disbarred and never allowed to run for a bench, much less practice law again. This is a simple custody case with no need for the sailor to be present in court. I'd say the defendant (his ex-wife) is playing the system to gain a favorable verdict for herself and attempting to get him arrested for nothing..

[Betonov]

I know all about Breaking Bad :O:

The street name for Walters meth was blue sky, not gold. :)

[Tribesman]

So is the judge right?

He had to appear or send his daughter, he did neither.
The new wife is not allowed to be present at any transfer of the child to the old wife.
However the court had temporarily lifted the ban to allow the new wife to hand the child over
He already has rulings against him for not fulfilling custody agreements with the old wife.
He didn't tell the court he wouldn't be present until the day of the hearing.
Sounds pretty much like contempt.:hmmm:

I suppose he could have handed her over to his ex wife himself before he deployed, I mean his deployment wasn't without notice was it.

Still its nice to see his lawyer asking people to stop sending death threats to the judge as it doesn't do his case any good.
Some people eh, read a sensationalised story and go right off on one:rotfl2:

As for this ruling, it falls in line with pretty much all the rest-- "for the child's best interests".... which is another way of saying saddle the father with most of the costs and very little of the time with the child.
Costs for the child are split 50/50 as per their agreement, he has made no complaint that she hasn't sent here share of the money.
Her complaint is that he spends little time with the child and bars her from any time with the child, plus that his frequent moves from state to state are not beneficial to a steady environment needed for child rearing.

[Joefour]

It's a sad fact that we have far too many corrupt or activist judges in this country who refuse to follow the law. They need to be REMOVED from the bench, period. The Soldiers' and Sailors Relief Act demands that armed forces members who are on deployment be granted at least 90 days (Someone please correct me if I have the numbers wrong) continuance or stay of action so they can show up in court in person.

This piece of garbage on the bench needs to be forcibly removed from the bench and thrown out into the street, preferably in front of an oncoming bus.

[Tribesman]

The Soldiers' and Sailors Relief Act demands that armed forces members who are on deployment be granted at least 90 days
It doesn't demand anything.

This piece of garbage on the bench needs to be forcibly removed from the bench and thrown out into the street, preferably in front of an oncoming bus.

Still its nice to see his lawyer asking people to stop sending death threats to the judge as it doesn't do his case any good.
Some people eh, read a sensationalised story and go right off on one:rotfl2:

[Wolferz]

I think Navy subs deploy for six months at a time. So a 90 day continuance wouldn't be helpful to this sailor.

Moving kids around from duty station to duty station never hurt any other military brat. Why is this one the exception?
Still, it's a civil matter. Not a criminal one and issuing a bench warrant for failure to appear is way off the mark here.

[Jimbuna]

I think Navy subs deploy for six months at a time. So a 90 day continuance wouldn't be helpful to this sailor.

Moving kids around from duty station to duty station never hurt any other military brat. Why is this one the exception?
Still, it's a civil matter. Not a criminal one and issuing a bench warrant for failure to appear is way off the mark here.

Would be interesting seeing someone trying to serve it whilst the boat is out on patrol :)

[Joefour]

It doesn't demand anything.



Still its nice to see his lawyer asking people to stop sending death threats to the judge as it doesn't do his case any good.
Some people eh, read a sensationalised story and go right off on one:rotfl2:

Thanks for correcting that. I probably used a poor choice of words at the moment. I just get so fired up when I see stuff like this situation on the news.

[Tribesman]

Still, it's a civil matter. Not a criminal one and issuing a bench warrant for failure to appear is way off the mark here.
Not off the mark at all.
Him being on a boat has no relevance to his failure to ensure his daughter was at the hearing.
His defence was that his wife couldn't afford a cab fare or a hire car.
Since he is pleading poverty as the excuse for failing to comply his being on a boat is entirely irrelevant, if he can't afford a few bucks to get to the court he can't afford a few bucks to get to the court.

[Tribesman]

Thanks for correcting that. I probably used a poor choice of words at the moment. .
No worries, like any legal document it has lots in it, but demands are another thing.
It does have lots and lots of conditions.

I just get so fired up when I see stuff like this situation on the news
Yes, the news can do that, there is a lot of it in this topic.
But does the actual situation require people getting fired up or is it just the sensationalist reports that are getting people fired up?
I think it is the latter.

As far as I can see the judge was perfectly correct at the time.
The later plea that he wishes to be present as well as his daughter changes that, as is reflected in the later ruling.
But it still doesn't alter the fact that he as legal guardian (or in his absence another person) failed to ensure that his daughter was present as required
by the court.

[Wolferz]

No worries, like any legal document it has lots in it, but demands are another thing.
It does have lots and lots of conditions.


Yes, the news can do that, there is a lot of it in this topic.
But does the actual situation require people getting fired up or is it just the sensationalist reports that are getting people fired up?
I think it is the latter.

As far as I can see the judge was perfectly correct at the time.
The later plea that he wishes to be present as well as his daughter changes that, as is reflected in the later ruling.
But it still doesn't alter the fact that he as legal guardian (or in his absence another person) failed to ensure that his daughter was present as required
by the court.

I don't think he had the luxury of ensuring anything to please the court.
Once a submarine deploys, there is little to no personal communications available. Oh the rigors of serving aboard a nuclear sub. Once they disappear beneath the waves, they pretty much stay there for the duration of the cruise.

[Tribesman]

don't think he had the luxury of ensuring anything to please the court.
Once a submarine deploys, there is little to no personal communications available. Oh the rigors of serving aboard a nuclear sub. Once they disappear beneath the waves, they pretty much stay there for the duration of the cruise.
Yet didn't he ask to video conference?
Didn't he ask to do it over the phone?
Funny requests if he had no access to personal communications:hmmm:

Plus of course this has been in motion for a long time, the current round started in August, plenty of time to get his arrangements set up.
Plenty of time to save for his new wifes taxi fare.
Plenty of time to get his lawyers to instruct the court that he was on deployment for that time period and request the stay.

[Wolferz]

Yet didn't he ask to video conference?
Didn't he ask to do it over the phone?
Funny requests if he had no access to personal communications:hmmm:

Plus of course this has been in motion for a long time, the current round started in August, plenty of time to get his arrangements set up.
Plenty of time to save for his new wifes taxi fare.
Plenty of time to get his lawyers to instruct the court that he was on deployment for that time period and request the stay.

Are you familiar with the wages our lower ranking enlisted personnel get paid? I can say from experience, it isn't enough to live on with today's prices.:-?
Working for Uncle Sam is like working for Wal-Mart. Only the hours are worse.

I don't know what remedies he tried and I can neither confirm nor deny actions I did not witness.:)
From what I read in the article, his ex is a total waste of protoplasm and I don't blame him for not sending the child to the court in fear of having her summarily handed over to a POS.:hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Are you familiar with the wages our lower ranking enlisted personnel get paid? I can say from experience, it isn't enough to live on with today's prices.:-?
Working for Uncle Sam is like working for Wal-Mart. Only the hours are worse.

Well maybe he should get a decent job then, children are expensive and if a taxi fare is beyond your budget then you are certainly screwed financially.

From what I read in the article
So you are firing blind on the basis of a single media article?:hmmm:
Not a very good approach considering everyone says the media is crap.
If I had gone off a single sensationlist media article recently I would have thought Cliven Bundy was a clear thinking loyal patriot with balanced views who had never done nothing wrong and was being persecuted on his own land by an evil world government with a tyrannical secret agenda:yep:


his ex is a total waste of protoplasm and I don't blame him for not sending the child to the court in fear of having her summarily handed over to a POS.:hmmm:
Perhaps he should have thought of that before he married her and had kids together?
Though it appears the description "POS" can certainly be applied to him too.
Plus of course the law is the law.
Deciding to ignore the law is what gets a judge to award a ruling against you, just like how the judge did it to him.

[Wolferz]

Well maybe he should get a decent job then, children are expensive and if a taxi fare is beyond your budget then you are certainly screwed financially.


So you are firing blind on the basis of a single media article?:hmmm:
Not a very good approach considering everyone says the media is crap.
If I had gone off a single sensationlist media article recently I would have thought Cliven Bundy was a clear thinking loyal patriot with balanced views who had never done nothing wrong and was being persecuted on his own land by an evil world government with a tyrannical secret agenda:yep:



Perhaps he should have thought of that before he married her and had kids together?
Though it appears the description "POS" can certainly be applied to him too.
Plus of course the law is the law.
Deciding to ignore the law is what gets a judge to award a ruling against you, just like how the judge did it to him.

Put yer club away Molly Maguire. There'll be no beatings here today.:03::D

[Betonov]

Biased sensationalism from the public or biased feminism prejudice from the judge.
I dont care. I'm never marrying and never having kids.
As soon as I get back from England I'm cutting my left ringfinger off and then I'll find 2 bricks...

[TarJak]

Biased sensationalism from the public or biased feminism prejudice from the judge.
I dont care. I'm never marrying and never having kids.
As soon as I get back from England I'm cutting my left ringfinger off and then I'll find 2 bricks...

We'll have to see if we can get you hitched in York then before the effects are irreversible. Jim's an ex copper so he can outside at the ceremony.:D

[Jimbuna]

Biased sensationalism from the public or biased feminism prejudice from the judge.
I dont care. I'm never marrying and never having kids.
As soon as I get back from England I'm cutting my left ringfinger off and then I'll find 2 bricks...

We'll have to see if we can get you hitched in York then before the effects are irreversible. Jim's an ex copper so he can outside at the ceremony.:D

Well Jamie is bringing his wife so that is him out of the equation.

BossMark will have to deputise...those Yorkshire yokels will do anything for a pint :)

[ETR3(SS)]

Bottom line here, don't get married while in the military and DON'T have kids with the woman. I've seen it time and again to guys who got divorced, they get taken to the cleaners just because of their military status. When your young you don't always make the best decisions and then you get suckered into that one woman who's intent on living off of you for the rest of your life.

[Wolferz]

Bottom line here, don't get married while in the military and DON'T have kids with the woman. I've seen it time and again to guys who got divorced, they get taken to the cleaners just because of their military status. When your young you don't always make the best decisions and then you get suckered into that one woman who's intent on living off of you for the rest of your life.

Too right! :up:
Why buy a cow when you can get the milk for free?
But, don't let the farmer catch you.:arrgh!:

[Oberon]

Well Jamie is bringing his wife so that is him out of the equation.

BossMark will have to deputise...those Yorkshire yokels will do anything for a pint :)

I'm sure we can hitch him up with a Scandinavian beauty.

http://www.more.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/325x281/102043525.jpg

Good luck with the divorce... :haha:

[soopaman2]

There is seriously a skew towards the woman in the American juducial system.

Alot of the times you get an angry short haired female judge who paints the man as an instant a-hole.

I got a friend, very wealthy, but not always.

He was making 40k a year doing menial labor, he got a gig in "entertainment" ( have to keep it vague), he moved up in it, got to a point where he could negotiate a contract for alot of money, like 7 figures.

Now said friend was married during the time he had a normal job, happened to be with him when he made it to his entertainment gig. He still made crap for money, and she decided to divorce...

Her attourney delayed the divorce trial (years) until he signed a huge contract, then took those earning and gave the formula to the judge.

This woman, no kids, no help to his career (she actually complained constantly about his career) got alimony for 11 years, and I mean thousands a week, for nothing other than crying in court.

I am sorry, but men are scum in family court. I joke with my wife " that is the only reason I say yes dear, and not shut up Bit**) she knows I am teasing calm down.:)

[Betonov]

I'm sure we can hitch him up with a Scandinavian beauty.

http://www.more.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/325x281/102043525.jpg

Good luck with the divorce... :haha:


HELLLLLLOOOOOO NURSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean shield maiden :)

[Jimbuna]

I'm sure we can hitch him up with a Scandinavian beauty.

http://www.more.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/325x281/102043525.jpg

Good luck with the divorce... :haha:

Just a couple of pints of Titleys should be enough :)