Korean War memorial... a memorial that deserves to be forgotten?

[Platapus]

This year, in Chillicothe, Ohio a new Korean War memorial was erected.

http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-05-29T204355Z_1652701517_GM1EA5U0CQK01_RTRMADP_3_USA-MEMORIAL-KOREA.JPG



This is the engraved image on the granite memorial to commemorate the Korean War 1950-1953.

Notice anything "odd" about this image? A lot of people have.

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-towns-korean-war-memorial-under-fire-blunders-134434822.html

What's wrong with this image?

1. At the far left there is an image of a Huey UH-1 which entered service in 1959
2. In the lower left we have military in 21st century headgear
3. There are F-16s which entered service in 1970's
4. In the lower right is a picture of the Washington Korean memorial including the POW/MIA flag which was designed in 1972
5. Just above it there is an M1A1 Abrams tank which went into service in 1980
6. In the lower center are soldiers in Vietnam.

Evidently no one on the various committees bothered to check what the artist was submitting. But, hey, its not big deal... it is not like it is carved in stone or something... :oops:

"Herman Strausbaugh, 81, a Korean War veteran who helped get the memorial built, said he wants to memorial to stay despite the complaints of "nit pickers."

"Strausbaugh said the committee members did not notice the inaccuracies when they saw an image of the planned memorial." :o:huh:

[Cybermat47]

What sort of idiot approved this?! And I'm not just talking about the inaccuracies, leaving names off a war memorial is a criminal offense in my opinion :nope:

[Stealhead]

Well if you really want to split hairs VFW still counts any service in Korea(1950-current date) as making the person eligible for membership.

Also to split hairs the Korean has yet to be "peacefully ended" only a case fire was ever agreed to.

So true only Korean blood has been spilled since the Armistice Agreement in small skirmishes. It would be undeniable that the large American presence in South Korea has most certainly prevented North Korea from invading the South so far.


Something is better than nothing I say.Someone will see that who does not not know and will decide to learn more.

[AVGWarhawk]

Revisionist history of garb and machines used in the Korean War, the artist is an idiot or he simply did not care to be accurate. Probably all three. No worries, I believe there is a misquote on the King monument.. Seems to be a growing trend of inaccuracies. Been ongoing since 2008. Pay your respects and move along.

[razark]

Well if you really want to split hairs VFW still counts any service in Korea(1950-current date) as making the person eligible for membership.
Well, that might work if the monument didn't include the 1950-53 dates.[/hair splitting]

If the artist was going for a "the conflict isn't over" theme, I think a main panel with proper Korean War images with a series of panels showing the continued presence through the years would have been acceptable.

[TorpX]

Uggh, I sure noticed.

The Abrams tank and the headgear just scream out at me.

Given how clueless most Americans are about history, I doubt many young people will notice. It's kind of depressing.



"Herman Strausbaugh, 81, a Korean War veteran who helped get the memorial built, said he wants to memorial to stay despite the complaints of "nit pickers."


Did Herman not see the item before it was finished, or have any input? Surely any veteran of the period would have set them straight right away. Poorly done, if you ask me. :nope:

[HunterICX]

I've got more problem with what is being depicted then the inaccuracies shown.
what am I looking at? A granite version of some military flyer or an memorial?

[STEED]

It dose some what look very odd to me. How no one spotted the mistakes I have no idea.

[raymond6751]

Yes, it is wrong.

But...US forces have been stationed in Korea ever since...with Abrams tanks too.

I don't think the idiot artist thought of that, but it helps.

[Jimbuna]

It's a shame about the inaccuracies but it looks pretty close to being a recruitment poster.

[Schroeder]

I really hope that this is either a hoax or that there is more to that story than we are told. It would be next to impossible that no one noticed that beforehand otherwise.

[Dread Knot]

One of the few parts of this slab which looked authentic is actually a photo snapped of the Korean War monument in Washington D.C., complete with a modern, black MIA/POW flag. So, a monument plagiarizing another monument. Disingenuous work and lazy to boot.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--znFeqx3u--/csfjjbhnwsin21tupxog.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, it is wrong.

But...US forces have been stationed in Korea ever since...with Abrams tanks too.

I don't think the idiot artist thought of that, but it helps.

The war was over in 53. After that it is a occupation. The Abrams came long after the war was over. Being this is the war memorial the Abrams, soldiers uniforms and the F5 Falcons flying over the battleship do not belong.

[AVGWarhawk]

One of the few parts of this slab which looked authentic is actually a photo snapped of the Korean War monument in Washington D.C., complete with a modern, black MIA/POW flag. So, a monument plagiarizing another monument. Disingenuous work and lazy to boot.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--znFeqx3u--/csfjjbhnwsin21tupxog.jpg

Good catch!

[Dread Knot]

No worries, I believe there is a misquote on the King monument.. Seems to be a growing trend of inaccuracies. Been ongoing since 2008. Pay your respects and move along.

The Martin Luther King monument was carved in China. It's quite likely this error-riddled slab was cranked out overseas too. I guess that's what we get for outsourcing our history. I'm just somewhat stunned the Korean War veterans approved it. :-?

[Flamebatter90]

Production was outsourced to India...

There's your problem.

[Schroeder]

There's your problem.
Not at all. The production is done with the plans they were given. If you get a contract and a blueprint (or whatever you use for those stones) you'll build it the way your customer wants it whether it makes sense to you or not. The problem is that the committees in the US have not had a closer look at the plans or were simply ignorant of the stuff they saw. The least guilty party is the stone mason in India who build this cluster fart.:nope:

[Subnuts]

Well, they've finally done it: produced something with more historical inaccuracies than U-571.

[Flamebatter90]

Schroeder: Yeah, you are right. I was just trying to be funny. :)

The article says they (the veterans group) had a chance to review the proposed design before it was built, why no one pointed out the flaws is baffling.

[Dread Knot]

Not at all. The production is done with the plans they were given. If you get a contract and a blueprint (or whatever you use for those stones) you'll build it the way your customer wants it whether it makes sense to you or not. The problem is that the committees in the US have not had a closer look at the plans or were simply ignorant of the stuff they saw. The least guilty party is the stone mason in India who build this cluster fart.:nope:

I guess we could place some blame on the artist. They are supposed to do their research. Although, artist seems too fancy a term for someone who probably just slapped a Photoshop montage together, and maybe would have never heard of the Korean War if not for old M*A*S*H re-runs. But all this had to be approved, signed-off on, and was. Whoever did the actual laser-etching is the least to blame. The design was even featured on tee-shirts during the fund-raising. I just wonder if the vets were so anxious to get a monument up before they passed away, that they just weren't that picky.

[Aktungbby]

Excerpt from Ross county paper might reveal real source of problemo: OUTSOURCING!":down:
"""Darby said he called Strausbaugh in April to express his concerns with the memorial’s imagery and received assurances that the changes would be made. But by that point, the memorial already had been completed and was being shipped by boat from a manufacturing facility in India to the U.S., said Doug Hayburn, owner of Southern Ohio Monument Company in Chillicothe.
The memorial committee purchased the monument through Southern Ohio Monument Company, which contracted with a Savannah, Georgia-based company for its design and production, Hayburn said.
Because granite is often sourced in India, the company has an imaging operation there as well, Hayburn said. In the case of the Korean War memorial, the imaging was done in India and then the monument was shipped to the U.S., a process that can take up to 120 days for shipping and another 30 days to go through customs, he said.
“The reason they weren’t able to make the changes is because (the memorial) had been made and was already in transit,” Hayburn said.""" As for a name being missed, that gets done -and corrected- all the time on the Viet Nam memorial as the omissions are perceived and should be attended to with a new name plaque. I find it hard to think our war memorials are outsourced too. Neal had a thread about buying an American made knife...I would think having American made memorials to our honored dead would be a minimum requirement. "Vox populi; vox humbug!"- William Tecumsah Sherman 6/2/1863 was never more appropriate as 'fast and cheap', however well meaning, appears to have ruled the day here! :nope:

[Dread Knot]

Because granite is often sourced in India, the company has an imaging operation there as well, Hayburn said. In the case of the Korean War memorial, the imaging was done in India

As I suspected. The image was just cobbled together in India with internetz photos by a guy who probably didn't know Douglas MacArthur from Hawkeye Pierce.

But Chillicothe still approved it.

[Jimbuna]

Well, they've finally done it: produced something with more historical inaccuracies than U-571.

Contender for post of the week :cool:

[AVGWarhawk]

The Martin Luther King monument was carved in China. It's quite likely this error-riddled slab was cranked out overseas too. I guess that's what we get for outsourcing our history. I'm just somewhat stunned the Korean War veterans approved it. :-?

Outsourcing really has become a issue with a lot of products and services.