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Tribesman
05-25-14, 05:41 AM
Is a lack of sex bad for your mental health?
Hi, Elliot Rodger here. Well, this is my last video. It all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day I will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you.
For the last eight years of my life, since I hit puberty, I've been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desires, all because girls have never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men, never to me.
I'm 22 years old and still a virgin, never even kissed a girl. And through college, 2 1/2 years, more than that actually, I'm still a virgin. It has been very torturous.
College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. In those years I've had to rot in loneliness, it's not fair.
You forced me to suffer all my life, now I will make you all suffer. I waited a long time for this. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime because I don't know what you don't see in me, I'm the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. I will punish all of you for it.
On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house at UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see inside there. All those girls I've desired so much. They have all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance toward them, while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.
I take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you., You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one, the true alpha male. Yes, after I have annihilated every single girl in the sorority house, I'll take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure while I've had to rot in loneliness all these years. They all look down upon me every time I tried to join them, they've all treated me like a mouse.
Well, now I will be a god compared to you, you will all be animals, you are animals and I will slaughter you like animals. I'll be a god exacting my retribution on all those who deserve it and you do deserve it just for the crime of living a better life than me.
The popular kids, you never accepted me and now you will all pay for it. Girls, all I ever wanted was to love you, be loved by you. I wanted a girlfriend. I wanted sex, love, affection, adoration.
You think I'm unworthy of you. That's I crime I can never get over. If I can't have you girls, I will destroy you. You denied me a happy life and in turn I will deny all of you life, it's only fair. I hate all of you.
Humanity is a disgusting, wretched, depraved species. If I had it in my power I would stop at nothing to reduce every single one of you to mountains of skulls and rivers of blood and rightfully so. You deserve to be annihilated and I will give that to you. You never showed me any mercy so I will show you none. You forced me to suffer all my life, now I will make you all suffer. I waited a long time for this. I'll give you exactly what you deserve, all of you. All you girls who rejected me, looked down upon me, you know, treated me like scum while you gave yourselves to other men. And all of you men for living a better life than me, all of you sexually active men. I hate you. I hate all of you. I can't wait to give you exactly what you deserve, annihilation.
Or does your mental health lead to a lack of sex?
Wolferz
05-25-14, 06:02 AM
Is this today's WTF moment?:hmmm:
Platapus
05-25-14, 06:25 AM
"You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me"
Gosh, that's a tough one to figure out.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-25/elliot-rodger-confirmed-as-gunman-in-california-shootings/5476256
This speech to camera simply showed what a tool this bloke was. Shame people had to die to have this piece of muck feel better about himself instead of just spanking the monkey like most.:nope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lI_YSFjhgY
BossMark
05-25-14, 07:56 AM
He obviously didn't know how to make tents while in bed, either that or his parents made him wear boxing gloves......
Tribesman
05-25-14, 08:53 AM
This speech to camera simply showed what a tool this bloke was. Shame people had to die to have this piece of muck feel better about himself
Which raises a couple of questions.
Should someone as clearly insane as this individual have been allowed access to firearms?
And how can the govt. agencies who are spending vast amounts of money and effort reading peoples online communications have missed this fruitcake?
Armistead
05-25-14, 09:06 AM
Which raises a couple of questions.
Should someone as clearly insane as this individual have been allowed access to firearms?
And how can the govt. agencies who are spending vast amounts of money and effort reading peoples online communications have missed this fruitcake?
Oh Gawd, here we go, a topic of mental health, sex and masturbation turning into the next gun debate.
The topic is clearly masturbation. Can we stay on topic?
THEBERBSTER
05-25-14, 09:12 AM
He should have 'bashed the bishop'
Probably had a small dick, big ego.
Tribesman
05-25-14, 09:19 AM
Oh Gawd, here we go, a topic of mental health, sex and masturbation turning into the next gun debate.
Good point, a debate on guns has no place in a topic about a nutter going on a shooting spree.
He should have 'bashed the bishop'
Probably had a small dick, big ego.
Chocking the chicken?
Good point, a debate on guns has no place in a topic about a nutter going on a shooting spree.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun
This is for fighting, this is for fun."
Herr-Berbunch
05-25-14, 09:49 AM
Does it have to be masterbation, guns, or wackos? Why not whorehouses? A trip to one would've solved his immediate issues.
Subnuts
05-25-14, 09:49 AM
No time for sex when there's still so many great naval history books in my Amazon wish list. :hmmm:
Betonov
05-25-14, 09:56 AM
Gardening helps
Sailor Steve
05-25-14, 10:39 AM
Good point, a debate on guns has no place in a topic about a nutter going on a shooting spree.
Because if it's about guns it will get merged with all the other gun threads. Is that what you want?
Jimbuna
05-25-14, 11:04 AM
Keeping an eye on this so stay on topic please.
BossMark
05-25-14, 11:10 AM
Elliot Rodger set out to punish all woman and then killed more men.
And he wonders why girls didn't like him. He was clearly gay..
Wolferz
05-25-14, 01:30 PM
Choking the chicken?
Fixed that for you.:D
I thought masturbation only caused hairy palms. Not psychopathic tendencies.:hmmm:
One more arguement for legalized prostitution.
Jimbuna
05-25-14, 02:44 PM
Final advice note...'Family Friendly' and all that.
Dread Knot
05-25-14, 03:36 PM
Watching the news about this pathetic crybaby, I see people talking about "red flags that were missed", but I don't see any. He was found to have this Asperger Syndrome, but he was being treated for it and taking his meds. He was lucid, high-functioning, well-spoken, and in his own words perfectly capable of lying to defer suspicion. He was certainly a misogynist, but there was no obvious reason to think anyone should've "picked up" that this guy was a homicidal misogynist. A lot of people are saying that he "obviously had a serious mental illness", but the only things that apparently make that "obvious" are his killing spree and the manifesto which he didn't release until moments before his killing spree.
Tragically, it seems that sometimes there are no "red flags". Sometimes there's just absolutely no way to tell and nothing that can be done to find these folks out before they decide to self-detonate.
Wolferz
05-25-14, 04:00 PM
It's like trying to predict where and when lightning will strike.
Sometimes you can feel the hair stand up on your arm but by then it's too late to avoid being struck.
Just another example of life on this planet, surrounded by semi-intelligent apes that can go postal without warning.
Since living in fear of death isn't a sane life choice, Mind your surroundings and be ready for the end when it comes. Other than that... enjoy it while you can.:up:
vanjast
05-25-14, 04:06 PM
I would look at his parents very closely... :o
I would look at his parents very closely... :o
Yes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rodger
:hmmm:
Platapus
05-25-14, 04:40 PM
Analysis is always a lot easier after the fact. :yep:
Unfortunately, there was probably no way to tell what this guy would do. There are probably hundreds/thousands of losers like this guy who don't go around killing people.
Equally, unfortunately, there is probably no way we, as a society, can prevent such horrible criminal acts being committed. :nope:
Life is not, nor can be made, safe. If any ordinary citizens chooses to kill another ordinary citizen, there is little that can be done to prevent it if the killer is properly motivated... especially if the killer is not interested in getting away with the crime.
Yes, it is scary.
Tribesman
05-25-14, 06:07 PM
Watching the news about this pathetic crybaby, I see people talking about "red flags that were missed", but I don't see any. .
wouldn't you describe his family calling the police to see if they can put him in involuntary detention due to his mental health issues as a "red flag"?
Cybermat47
05-25-14, 09:04 PM
He was found to have this Asperger Syndrome, but he was being treated for it and taking his meds.
Perhaps it was the mess that did it... I've got Asperger's Syndrome, and I don't need meds :hmmm:
It's like each mass murder encourages and inspires the perpetrators of the next one. The question should be "What are we doing as a society to create these monsters?"
It's like each mass murder encourages and inspires the perpetrators of the next one. The question should be "What are we doing as a society to create these monsters?"
For one thing, giving them the media celebrity treatment. Herostratus' fame.
I honestly think that sensationalization of such stories is far more to blame than either mental health or gun ownership issues in most of these cases.
It's like each mass murder encourages and inspires the perpetrators of the next one. The question should be "What are we doing as a society to create these monsters?"
Giving their crimes air time.
Armistead
05-26-14, 12:15 AM
It's like each mass murder encourages and inspires the perpetrators of the next one. The question should be "What are we doing as a society to create these monsters?"
Seems once someone did it and got so much media coverage it's become the in thing for spoiled entitled white kids to do. We'll see more and more of it and one day it's going to be really bad.
Ban all media reporting it as the media has a nasty habit of setting these scumbags up high.
Wolferz
05-26-14, 05:46 AM
The majority of these rampaging whackos end up just as dead as their victims. So I don't think they're looking for their fifteen minutes of fame in the news at eleven. They just want to be noticed.
The majority of these rampaging whackos end up just as dead as their victims. So I don't think they're looking for their fifteen minutes of fame in the news at eleven. They just want to be noticed.
More to do with the next loon. :nope:
AVGWarhawk
05-26-14, 07:17 AM
Does it have to be masterbation, guns, or wackos? Why not whorehouses? A trip to one would've solved his immediate issues.
I would believe the lack of sex is only touching the surface of this individuals instability. Laid or not this young man would have done something anyway.
AVGWarhawk
05-26-14, 07:24 AM
Which raises a couple of questions.
Should someone as clearly insane as this individual have been allowed access to firearms?
And how can the govt. agencies who are spending vast amounts of money and effort reading peoples online communications have missed this fruitcake?
Some lunatics can perform well enough not to appear to be lunatics. Taking a look at serial kills, many acted and functioned normally enough to carry out what they pleased. As far as online mass communications and monitoring, this guy is of no interest. The listeners are looking for large terrorist threats. This guy is one of thousands acting out on the net. There is not enough resources to check them all.
Dread Knot
05-26-14, 10:20 AM
wouldn't you describe his family calling the police to see if they can put him in involuntary detention due to his mental health issues as a "red flag"?
From my understanding, the family didn't request an involuntary detention, just a welfare check by the authorities. Oddly, enough they didn't even bother to show up with the police at his door, so the bizarre videos he put on the Internet were unknown to the interviewing officers. When the officers arrived, they found a chameleon who was able to convince them he was just a shy, timid kid going through a rough time. Had the police found his mental state suspicious, they could have had him involuntarily committed, but found no compelling reason to do so.
Even involuntary commitments in this country are not the panacea some want them to be in dealing with mass shooters. People who are involuntarily committed frequently leave psychiatric institutions little more stable than when they arrived. The public assumes that there is some life-changing intervention that happens inside psychiatric units after someone is committed, that leaves them permanently fixed after 72 hours. In fact, it’s more typical to receive little more than observation to make sure one doesn’t harm oneself while in the unit. A social worker will refer you to an outpatient mental health program when you’re discharged, but if you don’t want to go to one you don’t have to. If you choose, like so many do, to return to the community with a small supply of medication you don’t intend to use let alone refill, that’s your prerogative.
Dread Knot
05-26-14, 10:35 AM
Perhaps it was the mess that did it... I've got Asperger's Syndrome, and I don't need meds :hmmm:
I've heard reports that he was prescribed Ritalin for his AS. However, the dust on this story may need to settle before we know more or if he even had a prescription.
Tribesman
05-26-14, 10:54 AM
From my understanding, the family didn't request an involuntary detention, just a welfare check by the authorities.
Requesting a welfare check on a persons mental state from the police is requesting an assessment for involuntary detention.
Wolferz
05-26-14, 12:12 PM
A high functioning sociopath is intelligent enough to play the involuntary admittance to a mental health facility game. They might misbehave enough to get a 302 but, when the incarceration occurs, they can tell the shrinks everything they want to hear so they can spend the prescribed minimum time locked up. In the facility they appear to be a model human being.
My stepson has played the game numerous times. During the last episode I finally convinced his mother that he needed the tough love approach by forbidding his return home when his time was up. It worked for the most part but, he's been gradually backsliding into his old habits thanks to his mother allowing it.
If he goes off the deep end again I reckon my only option will be to either have them both committed or just give up and leave.
Mothers always put their child/children first even if the kid/s are mentally ill.
That says the most about this latest lunatic if you know what I mean.:nope:
The media might inspire them but it doesn't create these monsters. We've always had media glorification the more bloody and lurid the story the better. Lizzy Borden, the Bath Michigan school massacre, the Texas Bell Tower sniper and many more, they all received very heavy media coverage at the time yet these incidents were far more rare than they are today. The truth is we are growing these monsters with increasing frequency. Something in the way we raise our young has changed. We need to identify what it is and stop it or change it before it destroys us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
Armistead
05-26-14, 04:16 PM
A high functioning sociopath is intelligent enough to play the involuntary admittance to a mental health facility game. They might misbehave enough to get a 302 but, when the incarceration occurs, they can tell the shrinks everything they want to hear so they can spend the prescribed minimum time locked up. In the facility they appear to be a model human being.
My stepson has played the game numerous times. During the last episode I finally convinced his mother that he needed the tough love approach by forbidding his return home when his time was up. It worked for the most part but, he's been gradually backsliding into his old habits thanks to his mother allowing it.
If he goes off the deep end again I reckon my only option will be to either have them both committed or just give up and leave.
Mothers always put their child/children first even if the kid/s are mentally ill.
That says the most about this latest lunatic if you know what I mean.:nope:
I've seen so many mothers do this, you think they would see that by "putting them first" they're destroying their future. Worse is when they do it into adulthood. Your only hope is they go away and find themselves when they leave home. My wife's niece, 20 now, is still a nightmare. The mother still bails her out of trouble, jail, etc.. She will rob you blind if you turn your back, pitches violent fits like a baby. Her husband finally gave up and moved out.....
Wolferz
05-26-14, 04:49 PM
I've seen so many mothers do this, you think they would see that by "putting them first" they're destroying their future. Worse is when they do it into adulthood. Your only hope is they go away and find themselves when they leave home. My wife's niece, 20 now, is still a nightmare. The mother still bails her out of trouble, jail, etc.. She will rob you blind if you turn your back, pitches violent fits like a baby. Her husband finally gave up and moved out.....
That's been my problem here. Hers is an adult that she still treats like a misbehaved child. So he acts like one. Acting out when he doesn't get what he wants. Only problem is he never voices what he wants and expects us to read his addled mind. We have numerous holes in walls and closet doors from him hurling or swinging something into them in a smoldering rage.:-?
I've told her that I'm afraid. Not of him, of myself if he ever strikes one of us by accident or intention.
He threatened me with a steak knife one day and she developed sudden selective memory of the incident when I wanted to call the cops. He backed down when he saw that my counter threat was serious if he ever stabbed me. It had something to do with putting his pointy thing where he'd least enjoy it. Sideways.:shifty:
Platapus
05-26-14, 05:41 PM
Something in the way we raise our young has changed. We need to identify what it is and stop it or change it before it destroys us.
That's why we need to take these criminals alive. Emotionally, it may be desirable to blow such scum away, but for the benefit of society, these types of criminals need to be studied. What is it about these people?
We all have dark thoughts. I am sure that when were were young we had some very dark fantasies. But we did not think of acting on them.
I know when I was an angst ridden teen, I had some very scary dark thoughts. But it would never have occurred to me to act on them.
That's what we need to understand. Why do some people act on things while others don't. Answer that and we might be able to start working on a solution.
BrucePartington
05-26-14, 06:12 PM
My 2 cents.
I compare my childhood (born in the 60's) with that of kids today.
Back then we socialized a lot more. No video games, no iPads, you get the idea. Socializing is of the utmost importance to mental health. Solitude is the darkest adviser known to mankind.
Also, if I misbehaved I'd get my butt spanked, and then grounded. And again if I acted out or threw a fit. As a result I grew into an adult with some severe trauma induced defects: respect for others, knowing right from wrong, knowing I'm not entitled nor the center of the world.
Today, parents are afraid that grounding their kids may be considered child abuse. And this is if they are even around / have the time.
The "icing on the cake" comes from the current culture trend that "everything is OK", and "everybody is a winner".
Kids that truly believe they are entitled do have a hard time when they discover they are not winners. And they're alone when this happens. Often they feel betrayed by the world, and decide to throw the ultimate fit. tic... tac... tic... tac...
Armistead
05-26-14, 08:11 PM
That's why we need to take these criminals alive. Emotionally, it may be desirable to blow such scum away, but for the benefit of society, these types of criminals need to be studied. What is it about these people?
We all have dark thoughts. I am sure that when were were young we had some very dark fantasies. But we did not think of acting on them.
I know when I was an angst ridden teen, I had some very scary dark thoughts. But it would never have occurred to me to act on them.
That's what we need to understand. Why do some people act on things while others don't. Answer that and we might be able to start working on a solution.
I think Bruce answered it quite well, we've created a culture of all are winners and all are entitled. Obvious, that's not reality and when the two mindsets meet, conflict arises. We do live in a grey culture, no black or white, right or wrong. Certainly many have had issues in the past, but today we've created the perfect storm for people to strike back. People have become detached, desensitised to life Certainly people have always lived that were capable of such acts, some did it, but the reasons are much different today. Before most had some deep political hatred or such, today, it's as simple as being ignored. Kids today are given tools to live in fantasy land where all is fair....not reality where life sucks.
HunterICX
05-27-14, 04:54 AM
Also, if I misbehaved I'd get my butt spanked, and then grounded. And again if I acted out or threw a fit. As a result I grew into an adult with some severe trauma induced defects: respect for others, knowing right from wrong, knowing I'm not entitled nor the center of the world.
Today, parents are afraid that grounding their kids may be considered child abuse. And this is if they are even around / have the time.
Born in the late 80's I pretty much had the same thing
If I disrespected my parents I would get a slap behind the ear or a kick under the butt and send to my room.
If I disrespected my teacher I would be forced by my parents to apologize to him/her in Person.
If I disrespected a Police Officer I wouldn't know as the above taught me enough.
having some fits is part of growing up and it's up to the parents to show them where the line lies. These days parents treat them like saints and a slap on the wrist equals child abuse, they mouth of the teacher when their child got detention or send home suspended from school. :roll:
The "icing on the cake" comes from the current culture trend that "everything is OK", and "everybody is a winner".
Kids that truly believe they are entitled do have a hard time when they discover they are not winners. And they're alone when this happens. Often they feel betrayed by the world, and decide to throw the ultimate fit. tic... tac... tic... tac...Pretty spot on...
also just look on Television these days
-Dancing talent shows for kids
-The Voice or other singing contests for Kids
-(insert nation) got Talent.
and all the other talent shows where kids get exploited to a so called ''fame'' status.
it gets even more vile if you turn MTV on these days
http://i.imgur.com/BvNshlb.gif
Platapus
05-27-14, 03:20 PM
My 2 cents.
I compare my childhood (born in the 60's) with that of kids today.
Back then we socialized a lot more. No video games, no iPads, you get the idea.
Dunno about that. Growing up in the 60's as a kid, sure we did not have video games or ipads, but we did have TV. I was firmly in "the TV generation". I did not socialize much when I was a kid. The only kids that lived near me were all jerks. In the 60's we lived in the country where we did not have that many neighbours. I spent most of my time glued to the TV, watching violent TV shows.
Is that really any different from today's kids? The advantage today's kids have is that they can be actively walking around while glued to their addiction. In my generation, we sat on our butts or laid on the floor glued to our addiction. :D:D
Dunno about that. Growing up in the 60's as a kid, sure we did not have video games or ipads, but we did have TV. I was firmly in "the TV generation". I did not socialize much when I was a kid. The only kids that lived near me were all jerks. In the 60's we lived in the country where we did not have that many neighbours. I spent most of my time glued to the TV, watching violent TV shows.
Is that really any different from today's kids? The advantage today's kids have is that they can be actively walking around while glued to their addiction. In my generation, we sat on our butts or laid on the floor glued to our addiction. :D:D
I think it's different in both quality and quantity. We had 2-3 hours a night of TV shows that were mostly sanitized and usually delivered with a moral or two. Kids today have 5 times that in full blood and gore with little or no moral to the story. Indeed some games/movies (Grand theft auto?) evil actions are celebrated and rewarded.
That alone however isn't what creates these monsters I think. But when added to other aspects of modern society such as early and extensive mind altering medications, the decline of social structures such as religion and parental and teacher authority it's just another brick in the wall so to speak.
Betonov
05-27-14, 05:07 PM
Indeed some games/movies (Grand theft auto?) evil actions are celebrated and rewarded.
Phooey, I played Age of Empires II until my eyes bled, and I'm not building a trebuchet on my backyard...
oh...
wait :dead:
Phooey, I played Age of Empires II until my eyes bled, and I'm not building a trebuchet on my backyard...
oh...
wait :dead:
Yeah well some folks start with bigger walls. :yep:
Wolferz
05-27-14, 08:37 PM
The Ozzie and Harriet, Leave it to Beaver and My Three Sons TV generation of the '60's is long gone. Those displays of wholesome family values were just unrealistic. Look at the Dick Van Dyke show that always showed the Petries sleeping in separate single beds. I never saw any adults doing that, EVER!:haha: Even Ed Sullivan tried to bleach the lyrics of a Doors tune and Jim Morrisson made it a point to emphasize the lyric when he sang it live.:up: Old Ed almost had a Reallybig cow.:rock:
Also if you think that kids on iPads and in video games aren't socializing, I have bad news for you... :D
Seriously, the current generation, if anything, is ridiculously oversocialized and hyper-aware of their peers. It's much harder now to keep up with the "cool crowd" than it's been in previous generations, and social circles have statistically become far wider among teens especially.
Also if you think that kids on iPads and in video games aren't socializing, I have bad news for you... :D
Seriously, the current generation, if anything, is ridiculously oversocialized and hyper-aware of their peers. It's much harder now to keep up with the "cool crowd" than it's been in previous generations, and social circles have statistically become far wider among teens especially.
Yeah but it's a weird kind of socializing. For one thing most of it is not face to face and it also seems to magnify the effects of negativity.
Yeah but it's a weird kind of socializing. For one thing most of it is not face to face and it also seems to magnify the effects of negativity.
It's true, but I think it's something that looks odd from the outside and isn't actually as different as some give it credit for. It does, however, help the "cool kids" project an even slicker, more manufactured image and helps the insecure ones feel even more insecure.
Back OT; this article takes a look at the hypocrisy of calling Rodgers a madman rather than the misogynist that he clearly was: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-27/hamad-elliot-rodger-and-hate-crime-hypocrisy/5478820
I know the misogynists among us won't agree with the article because it was written by a woman, but most of her points hit the mark very well.
Aktungbby
05-27-14, 09:29 PM
The Ozzie and Harriet, Leave it to Beaver and My Three Sons TV generation of the '60's is long gone. Those displays of wholesome family values were just unrealistic. Look at the Dick Van Dyke show that always showed the Petries sleeping in separate single beds. I never saw any adults doing that, EVER!:haha: Even Ed Sullivan tried to bleach the lyrics of a Doors tune and Jim Morrisson made it a point to emphasize the lyric when he sang it live.:up: Old Ed almost had a Reallybig cow.:rock:
Ya forgot the Donna Reed Show BBY(at least there was an Oscar winner!):salute:http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI1ODM4MDMyM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjQxODA4MQ@@._ V1_SX214_AL_.jpg and ya really bring out my Andy Warhol side!:haha:http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51w-SaqoSBL.SX279_SY500_CR,0,0,279,500_PIbundle-24,TopRight,0,0_SX279_SY500_CR,0,0,279,500_SH20_.j pg
Andy's version http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/Campbells_Soup_Cans_MOMA.jpg/300px-Campbells_Soup_Cans_MOMA.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Campbells_Soup_Cans_MOMA.jpg)now in the museum!:doh:
Hey hey, not the kind of topic we want to open up a can of worms in :D
Hey hey, not the kind of topic we want to open up a can of worms in :D
Why not? It is a can or worms that I think should be opened.
I was joking about Aktungbby's post :D I read that article before, actually, and while I don't agree entirely with the premise (i.e. that he wasn't an aberrant madman), I do think it raises a lot of excellent points otherwise :yep:
I hadn't see his post between mine and yours as it was over the page.
I agree that anyone that goes out to shoot other people, random or not are probably not in a great state of mind, but the premise still stands IMO.
I get the feeling this conversation will be en vogue again in light of on-going events in Canada, so rather than start new threads...
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