The next logical step?

[Wolferz]

It seems that the more fuel efficient vehicles that the Fed mandated to be manufactured are causing a shortfall in gasoline excise tax revenues for the Fed and the states.
So, what do these blood sucking leeches propose to cure this problem?

You guessed it... A mileage tax! Tracked via GPS. :roll:
http://t.autos.msn.com/news/gps-tracked-mileage-tax-in-calif

The Fed is also trying to get people to quit smoking tobacco. What do you suppose they'll come up with to fix that revenue shortfall?
A tax on breathing air?:stare:

The blind are fumbling around in the dark. Unable to see that their constituents can't afford to buy gas because there are no jobs.

I say (insert politically correct expletive here) I'll buy a bicycle.

[Tango589]

The next logical step:

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[Wolferz]

The next logical step:

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They'll just tax the hay and oats to pay for removal of the road apples and upkeep of the cobble stones.:hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

They'll just tax the hay and oats to pay for removal of the road apples and upkeep of the cobble stones.:hmmm:

Plus a horse fart/emissions tax.


I'd say move from Kali-fornia.

[nikimcbee]

To answer your question Wolferz; Term limits. That will fix it.:/\\k:

[AVGWarhawk]

Soon they will go back to the Window Tax. :haha::shifty::nope:

[Aktungbby]

Wait till I go off the grid solarwise :sunny:They'll probably tax my sunlight consumption. The revolution starts when they attempt to tax Life insurance benefits too as a part of estate taxes! The first sign of collapse is generally a government's desperate thrashing fiscally for 'filthy lucre'! And the currency they print is already suspect!:hmmm:

[Platapus]

That is an unintended consequence of passing legislation that cuts down on what ends up to be a source of tax revenue.

For every government action there is an equal but intended reaction.

What we want to avoid is implementing a "cure" that is worse than the "disease"

[Wolferz]

The government is the disease in many instances, Platapus. Top heavy and constrained by antiquated laws and regulations that no longer apply. Societies evolve. Government devolves in a desperate effort to survive at any cost. The grand experiment worked well for awhile but progress has left it mired in the mud of ignorance. Exponential growth of even more desperate measures will be seen in the near future. Growing like a pimple until the pressure finally pops it.:doh:

[Stealhead]

Well it does prove that at the end of the day it is all about pulling tax revenue.

[Platapus]

The government is the disease in many instances, Platapus.


But it is probably better than the alternative. :yep:

[Skybird]

The political class has since long turned into a political caste with a feudal self-understanding.

But don't worry. With the next paper money all will get better. ;)

[Stealhead]

But it is probably better than the alternative. :yep:
Very much so.

[Buddahaid]

And just how would they know how many miles driven without having tracking devices on all cars? And what would that cost? Own a car without a device and be a criminal?

How will this get sold to the public as a good idea? I would hazard a guess that oil consumption is still strong due to more and more cars on the road. I haven't noticed any decline in traffic ever.

This just can't fly. :down:

[swamprat69er]

A chip in your license plate validation sticker would probably work for the GPS tracking. Up here you have to put down the number of kilometers on your odometer when you buy your new sticker.

[swamprat69er]

Well it does prove that at the end of the day it is all about pulling tax revenue.
AKA raping the public. :down:
We pay tax on the vehicle, tax on the fuel it burns, tax on the oil for oil changes, tax on the labour for the oil change, tax on every part we put on the vehicle, Income tax, and on and on. Every 7.6 cents we spend gets taxed.

[Jimbuna]

AKA raping the public. :down:
We pay tax on the vehicle, tax on the fuel it burns, tax on the oil for oil changes, tax on the labour for the oil change, tax on every part we put on the vehicle, Income tax, and on and on. Every 7.6 cents we spend gets taxed.

Good point....I'd love to see how many times a £ is taxed before the revenue reaches the treasury here in the UK.

[Wolferz]

A chip in your license plate validation sticker would probably work for the GPS tracking. Up here you have to put down the number of kilometers on your odometer when you buy your new sticker.

We are required to do the same thing here in Pennsylvania. I have no clue why. We aren't taxed on mileage...yet. Maybe it's used as a reference for selling a used vehicle to make sure the odometer wasn't turned back. But, it's still based on the honesty principle and there's no guarantee that every car owner will be honest about it.
Your vehicle mileage could be tracked through your I-phone or similar GPS location device. It's technically an NSA wet dream to be able to track everyone's movement from point A to point B.:-? When they discover that this method won't be 100% reliable, then they'll go for the grain of rice sized RFID chip implantation idea. Selling it as the ultimate prevention of identity theft and fraud prevention. The sheeple will take the bait hook, line and sinker to the point of demanding it. Tied to your bank account and every form of buying and selling, the governments will take total control of your life THX 1138 style. When you get out of line, all they need to do is deactivate the thing and you're screwed royally.:huh::dead::timeout:
Drink your Kool-Aid and welcome to the apocalypse bby.

[swamprat69er]

Here when selling a vehicle either the seller or the buyer is required to get a 'used vehicle package' from the DoT/MoT and that package will tell you how many owners said vehicle has had and what accidents it has been in and whether or not it has been written off. I think that is where the mileage thing comes into play.
It is also illegal to disconnect the odometer or to spin it backwards. That isn't to say that it doesn't get done. It is just illegal to do it.:)

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

And just how would they know how many miles driven without having tracking devices on all cars? And what would that cost? Own a car without a device and be a criminal?

How will this get sold to the public as a good idea? I would hazard a guess that oil consumption is still strong due to more and more cars on the road. I haven't noticed any decline in traffic ever.

This just can't fly. :down:Isn't solution logical? :D Install that GPS tracking chip into the citizen's skull! Walk a mile pay a dime! :yeah:

[AVGWarhawk]

AKA raping the public. :down:
We pay tax on the vehicle, tax on the fuel it burns, tax on the oil for oil changes, tax on the labour for the oil change, tax on every part we put on the vehicle, Income tax, and on and on. Every 7.6 cents we spend gets taxed.

And...if you sell the car you are taxed again. And how can the be when tax was paid on the first sale? Double dip! :stare:

[swamprat69er]

And...if you sell the car you are taxed again. And how can the be when tax was paid on the first sale? Double dip! :stare:
Way back when I went to school we were taught that there was no double taxation in Canada. What a crock of Bull Scatterings that was.:down:

[STEED]

The future is...:sunny::sunny::sunny:

For a very select few while the rest of the world...:/\\!!

[AVGWarhawk]

This just can't fly. :down:

They will make it fly. For example, here in MD a new "fee" has been mandated by the EPA that has been dubbed the "Rain Tax". Our properties square footage of permeable and impermeable area(roof/driveway) is assessed via satellite. We then are charged per square foot of impermeable ground. Generally about $80.00/year and due to increase over time. This money is to be used to "save" the Chesapeake Bay by upgrading and creating new means of filtering the rain water. With that said, the per mile tax in CA could be mandated to "save" the air! The money will go to study and advancement of green fuels! Don't you feel "good" now? Certainly the monies collected he in MD for the Rain Tax will be pissed away on some pet project and bay clean up will never see any of it. The same is said of the casino revenues. It simply vanishes and then a tax is increased to cover what is missing.

I'm doing my best to persuade my wife that retiring in Maryland is a bad idea. We are raped and taxed to death. And it is BS ideas like this that make it that way.

[swamprat69er]

So, if I understand your post correctly, MD is saying that the rain that falls on an impermeable object doesn't land on the ground? That doesn't make sense to me. The rain runs off the roof, it has to land on the ground.
I agree, the monies gained from this tax will go into a 'pet project' or someones' pocket.

[AVGWarhawk]

So, if I understand your post correctly, MD is saying that the rain that falls on an impermeable object doesn't land on the ground? That doesn't make sense to me. The rain runs off the roof, it has to land on the ground.
I agree, the monies gained from this tax will go into a 'pet project' or someones' pocket.

Correct, the roof and driveway are impermeable per their(EPA) definition. Now, imagine if you would that you own a mall. The parking lot is 8 acres. This is impermeable surface according to the EPA. The surface does not absorb and filter water. The fee is in the tens of thousands. Maryland is and never was friendly to business owners. This is why business has flocked to other more reasonable states. And to add, churches are exempt from the fee. I guess they have some sort of heart. Maryland is slowly becoming a state that survives on the ports and government as DC is surround by much of Maryland. Furthermore, surrounding states are helping little with the fee and clean up. The Susquehannah River flows from PA into the Chesapeake Bay. Every severe rain fall gobs of trash and filth flow into the bay via the Susquehannah River.

[swamprat69er]

Correct, the roof and driveway are impermeable per their(EPA) definition. Now, imagine if you would that you own a mall. The parking lot is 8 acres. This is impermeable surface according to the EPA. The surface does not absorb and filter water. The fee is in the tens of thousands. Maryland is and never was friendly to business owners. This is why business has flocked to other more reasonable states. And to add, churches are exempt from the fee. I guess they have some sort of heart. Maryland is slowly becoming a state that survives on the ports and government as DC is surround by much of Maryland. Furthermore, surrounding states are helping little with the fee and clean up. The Susquehannah River flows from PA into the Chesapeake Bay. Every severe rain fall gobs of trash and filth flow into the bay via the Susquehannah River.
PA takes a dump in the Susquehanna and everybody in MD pays for it.
About time you moved to Kentucky isn't it?

[AVGWarhawk]

PA takes a dump in the Susquehanna and everybody in MD pays for it.
About time you moved to Kentucky isn't it?

:yep:

Just need to convince the wife. She wants to stay close were her family lives. You know, the ones that show up on the holiday's only, eat your food, clean out the liquor cabinet and then do a burn out on your lawn as they leave for the evening. :doh:

[Aktungbby]

The old expression :"People vote with their feet" has gone by the boards. Due to the miserable decisions and instability of government at every level, excess taxation and fiscal uncertainty being prominent, we vote in the bedroom too :down:and that is serious! A defacto worldwide rebellion: If'n we don't like how we are governed, we'll create fewer people to be governed: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/07/5008758/fear-of-economic-blow-as-births.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/07/5008758/fear-of-economic-blow-as-births.html) "Growth in the working-age population has halted in developed countries overall. Even in France and the United Kingdom, with relatively healthy birth rates, growth in the labor pool has slowed dramatically. In Japan, Germany and Italy, the labor pool is shrinking.
"It's like health — you only realize it exists until you don't have it," says Alejandro Macarron Larumbe of Demographic Renaissance, a think tank in Madrid.
The drop in birth rates is rooted in the 1960s, when many women entered the workforce for the first time and couples decided to have smaller families. Births did begin rising in many countries in the new millennium. But then the financial crisis struck. Stocks and home values plummeted, blowing a hole in household finances, and tens of millions of people lost jobs. Many couples delayed having children or decided to have none at all.
Couples in the world's five biggest developed economies — the United States, Japan, Germany, France and the United Kingdom — had 350,000 fewer babies in 2012 than in 2008, a drop of nearly 5 percent. The United Nations forecasts that women in those countries will have an average 1.7 children in their lifetimes. Demographers say the fertility rate needs to reach 2.1 just to replace people dying and keep populations constant.
The effects on economies, personal wealth and living standards are far reaching:" In short, IMHO, without a steady stream of willing thralls to mindlessly "feed Val" the 'paper money machine' will collapse of it's own dead weight. Bin Laden, prior to his demise, described the American economy as a 'paper tiger'-it appears to be losing its crew!

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm ok with those statistics concerning births to deaths. The mud ball is overpopulated anyway.

[Wolferz]

I'm ok with those statistics concerning births to deaths. The mud ball is overpopulated anyway.

Well, there is some clandestine group of people out there that feels the global population should be maintained at 500,000,000.:hmmm:

That figure won't support the filthy rich or a majority of governments. Looks like some folks will be taking a long hot shower into poverty and or obscurity.:haha:

This sheds some light on the Catholic church and its pro life policies.:arrgh!:
Church seeks tithing folks. All are welcome.:shifty:

[Jimbuna]

Soylent Green.

[Wolferz]

Soylent Green.

IT'S MADE FROM PEOPLE!!!!

Oddly enough, it tastes like pork sausage.:O:

[Jimbuna]

IT'S MADE FROM PEOPLE!!!!

Oddly enough, it tastes like pork sausage.:O:

Aye, pork being the closest comparison :)

[Wolferz]

Aye, pork being the closest comparison :)

There is just a miniscule difference in the two genomes.:yep:

[Jimbuna]

There is just a miniscule difference in the two genomes.:yep:

That's fine just so long as you said genomes and not gnomes :O:

[Wolferz]

^LOL:haha:

[Aktungbby]

http://s.ngm.com/2012/02/karawari-people/img/meakambut-man-holds-arrows-615.jpg Genome or not: around here it's just pig or "long pig" some times called "porque a la Rockefeller":nope: either way yer jes' bringn' home the bacon BBY! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582979/Cannibal-killing-finally-revealed-The-gruesome-details-Rockefeller-heir-gutted-cooked-Asmat-tribe-New-Guinea.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582979/Cannibal-killing-finally-revealed-The-gruesome-details-Rockefeller-heir-gutted-cooked-Asmat-tribe-New-Guinea.html) WARNING: gruesome details...by our standards!:sunny:

[swamprat69er]

:yep:

Just need to convince the wife. She wants to stay close were her family lives. You know, the ones that show up on the holiday's only, eat your food, clean out the liquor cabinet and then do a burn out on your lawn as they leave for the evening. :doh:

AKA spongers/scroungers?

[AVGWarhawk]

AKA spongers/scroungers?

Yes......

[nikimcbee]

The government is the disease in many instances, Platapus. Top heavy and constrained by antiquated laws and regulations that no longer apply. Societies evolve. Government devolves in a desperate effort to survive at any cost. The grand experiment worked well for awhile but progress has left it mired in the mud of ignorance. Exponential growth of even more desperate measures will be seen in the near future. Growing like a pimple until the pressure finally pops it.:doh:



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The black car pulls up in front of Wolferz's house. The tinted window rolls down.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/s/o/a484a85de5.jpg
Your attitude...has been noted Mr. Wolferz.

The car speeds away and makes a phone call to the IRS.
A month later Wolferz returns to the subsimz GT.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090207003605/planetoftheapes/images/2/24/Landonlobotomy.jpg

I love obamunism. The dear leader is good.

[Wolferz]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDY4WDEwMTE=/z/01IAAMXQlgtSofW2/$_35.JPG
The black car pulls up in front of Wolferz's house. The tinted window rolls down.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/s/o/a484a85de5.jpg
Your attitude...has been noted Mr. Wolferz.

The car speeds away and makes a phone call to the IRS.
A month later Wolferz returns to the subsimz GT.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090207003605/planetoftheapes/images/2/24/Landonlobotomy.jpg

I love obamunism. The dear leader is good.

I see the bullet extraction from Abe Lincoln's head was a success.:haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

Those bastards finally did it. Damn them all to hell.

[Dread Knot]

Those bastards finally did it. Damn them all to hell.

We must march now....to the Forbidden Zone!*

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090217005833/planetoftheapes/images/5/59/Ursus_1.JPG

*Formerly known as the United States.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090917154137/planetoftheapes/images/e/e0/City_ruins.jpg

[Wolferz]

Who brought the bananas?

[Wolferz]

Big oil or Big Corn?

http://news.msn.com/us/how-big-corn-lost-the-ethanol-battle-to-philadelphia-refiners

And we wonder why gas prices are constantly higher than they should be compared to the price of oil.:nope: