U.S. search warrant can acquire foreign cloud, email data

[Skybird]

http://www.zdnet.com/u-s-search-warrant-can-acquire-foreign-cloud-email-data-judge-rules-7000028828/

In principle the US claims the right to submit all the world to US law, and US law shall overrule international law. There can be no seriously meant doubt that it has not been US government services pressing for this rule by the court.

But at the same time Washington claims to defend the sovereignity of other nations. Which is a hilarious, ridiculous lie. What Washington wants is obedient vasalls that do what one tells them.

Before Europeans now mock: the EU wants this kind of total control and surveillance in Europe and beyond as well.

Maybe we need indeed a Butler's jihad, like imagined by Frank Herbert. Our modern hightech possibilities more and more are turned against the people and transformed into tools of surveillance, control and manipulation. This is no civilizational progress, but oppression and tyranny.

Especially impertinent is the formal reason for this court verdict: that formally interacting with foreign authorities would cause American law authorities a rise in workload, and thus it would be better to ignore international laws to save that step. Ehem - hello...? Somebody still sane and alive?

In the end, this will also backfire financially against US IT companies, who already are distrusted due to the datakrakening of US intel services and US legislation. Everybody still storing private or sensible data in the cloud, must have lost his marbles.

[Jimbuna]

In principle the US claims the right to submit all the world to US law, and US law shall overrule international law.

I doubt the likes of Putin will be phased :hmmm:

[swamprat69er]

http://www.zdnet.com/u-s-search-warrant-can-acquire-foreign-cloud-email-data-judge-rules-7000028828/

In principle the US claims the right to submit all the world to US law, and US law shall overrule international law.

But at the same time Washington claims to defend the sovereignity of other nations. Which is a hilarious, ridiculous lie. What Washington wants is obedient vasalls that do what one tells them.

Before Europeans now mock: the EU wants this kind of total control and surveillance in Europe and beyond as well.

This is no civilizational progress, but oppression and tyranny.



Didn't Hitler try something like this? :down:

[Skybird]

No, Hitler never was after controlling the whole world. :88)

Serious, after Snowdengate, Germany reassessed the threads several foreign nations pose to German politics and industry and business in form of hacking attacks and industrial espionage, and it was concluded that even before Russia or China, America now is the biggest attacker on Germany's cyber-infrastructure. We do not talk about about the potential to do so, but the quantity and qulity of actually carried out attacks.

America is the worst amongst all digital enemies striking at us - what kind of "partnership" is that meant to be? That renders the babbling about allied and befriended nations as useless and pointless.

Even more so since American demands for getting access to European banking data and American data-collection from tourists, have additionally been obeyed by the EU before (and served as a blueprint for the EU to implement such procedures against its subjects in Europe as well).

Add to all this the amount of private sensible data that too many people carelessly and voluntarily give away when using Google, Facebook, Twitter and the like - not just the info they knowingly enter, but the data that these companies extract from their systems without people being aware of it. Too many people think they are safe if they switch off just this or that option off. They are not, Google repeatedly featured dummy switches in the past, for example. The problem also is that too many people are more or less clueless regarding what these data can be used for, and to what a scaring degree they can be used to profile people and predict (and in the end: control and manipulate) their behavior, decisions, lives, if that is wanted.

Intel services and private business in the US have formed up an unholy alliance already long time ago. The protests voiced by Microsoft now, and others on different occasions, are just theatre play.

[Wolferz]

Well, Skybird...
Shakespeare said it best when he said "All the world's a stage"

Welcome to the theater of the absurd.:doh:

[Gargamel]

Read the article last night at work. It's just a preliminary ruling by the same magistrate that issued the warrant, so it's no surprise he ruled as such. M$ stated they are going to appeal, and it will go before higher judges. I doubt it will stand up under appeal.

[Wolferz]

No, Hitler never was after controlling the whole world. :88)


It sure seems to me that his ultimate goal was stewardship over the entire planet. Damned tree huggin SOB!:haha:
What was he after if not that?

[Catfish]

He who may not be named (lmao) was after the - then - Soviet Union.
He would not even have attacked France, this was not the target.

That it became a world war again can be blamed on England - and b.t.w. one might be thankful, for that. :hmmm:

[Dread Knot]

It sure seems to me that his ultimate goal was stewardship over the entire planet. Damned tree huggin SOB!:haha:
What was he after if not that?



Hitler's vision was for a European bloc dominated by Germany, with North Africa and the Middle East under the control of that bloc primarily through Italy. He also wanted to excise Bolshevism and secure Lebensraum, so the European part of the Soviet Union had to go.

There is no evidence of his wanting war with the United States, provided it did not seek to dispute German control of Europe and neighboring areas. If the United States was content to confine itself to domination of the Western Hemisphere, there would be no need for war with it.

However, Hitler suspected that the United States would challenge German hegemony, and that is why he wanted to build up sufficient military strength to see off any such challenge.

[Skybird]

It sure seems to me that his ultimate goal was stewardship over the entire planet. Damned tree huggin SOB!:haha:
What was he after if not that?
Shared rulership with the Brits (whom he somewhat admired) over Europe and free living space for Arian Germans in the East; while maintaining non-hostile relations with America (which he feared) and of course the distant ally, Japan. Mind you, he saw himself as the savior of the white race and culture.

You may mistake Nazism with Muhammedanism! :D

However. I stumbled over Shoshana Zuboff yesterday, who was unknown to me before, an American professor for economy with specialising in information technology and holding additional degrees in philosophy and social psychology (interesting mixture that, I would say). She has a lot of intelligent and frightenign things to say about how companies like Google form a new form of absolut power that is beyond any checks and balances or countercontrol and that has the power to rule all the world and influence significantly the life of everybody the more such services are getting embedded in contemporary life. In preincipla the same what I preach since years, too, just that he has even more insightful arguments why to fear this new absolutism. These companies have the power to significantly influence, hinder and manipulate your lfie andf career. Just imagine how much many people in the job world already depend on services provided by a very few internat companies that act, collect data and control beyond any political or legal control. But it is about private life as well, from banking to telecommunicating. The power that Google and Co. are acucmulating , unhinderd and unregulated and uncointro9lled, is frightening. The latest article by her in German was this one:

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/die-google-gefahr-zuboff-antwortet-doepfner-12916606.html

Unfortunately they do not give the source, only the name of the translator. If anybody knows what lecture, speech, article or book this is from, please let me know.

The so-called Three Laws of Zuboff are authored by her:


Everything that can be automated will be automated.
Everything that can be informated will be informated.
Every digital application that can be used for surveillance and control will be used for surveillance and control.


About Zuboff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshana_Zuboff

[August]

Of course hitler was after world domination. Expansionist regimes like that must always continue conquering or they quickly implode.

[Tribesman]

Of course hitler was after world domination. Expansionist regimes like that must always continue conquering or they quickly implode.
Yep, and considering that capitalism is a global jewish conspiracy he would have had to take over the world to eradicate it, plus socialism is a global jewish conspiracy too so that's got to go, Stalinism was a global jewish conspiracy too. Africa and Asia was being run by the global jews who seem to get everywhere so that's got got be done too, and of course America the degenerate mongrel race run by jews as a cornerstone of their global conspiracy.
So if the Nazi crazies were serious about eliminating this global conspiracy they must conquer the whole world eventually. And the horrors of the holocaust show they was certainly serious with their craziness.

[Gargamel]

http://images.ridemonkey.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kaitaia.com%2Ffunny%2Fpicture s%2FThreadHijack%2Fthread_direction.gif Whoa guys, I know this is GT and all, but dang this derailed quickly.

[nikimcbee]

In before Steed.

[Sailor Steve]

Whoa guys, I know this is GT and all, but dang this derailed quickly.
That's because Godwin stepped in, and God + win = God wins. Not going all religious again, just paying homage to the God of Interwebz, who steals men's souls just long enough for them to become misguided into posting random freaky things and taking poor unsuspecting posters to all sorts of strange places they never imagined existed before.

See, before you accuse me of the same thing you have to remember I didn't use any bad works like H*tl*r, so my derail is better than their derail and the Interwebz G*d, AKA C**l*ng C*t, likes me better than he likes you.

So there.

Now we can all go back to whatever useless drivel we were calling important this week. :O:

[Catfish]

Back on topic :)


Which is why every government and company (since it is about industrial espionage, first and foremost) should think twice before using the 'cloud' to store their data.
If you want a secure net, you have to build it yourself. Not store it on public servers, but at home. And even then ...

The Internet itself as a successor from the ARPAnet - who do you think invented those protocols and backdoors?
It is already compromised without using the cloud.

[August]

Which is why every government and company (since it is about industrial espionage, first and foremost) should think twice before using the 'cloud' to store their data.

Been saying that "since" years... :)

[Wolferz]

Isolate your networks to keep your perceived enemies outside the gates.:hmmm:

[TarJak]

Almost any "friendly" countriea search warrant can be e extended to overseas internet providers as long as they can convince a local jurisdiction to recognise that reasonable cause can be shown that evidence for a crime can be found in their jurisdiction.