Woman throws a shoe at Hillary Clinton

[Onkel Neal]

This is nuts. A woman throws a shoe at Hillary Clinton, and throws it will a lot of velocity, and then she's released with a misdemeanor? :/\\!!

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shoe-hurling-case-alison-michelle-ernst-phoenix-woman-las-vegas-police-hillary-rodham-clinton-mandalay-bay-resort/1/355343.html

If that shoe had hit Clinton in the face, she would have been injured. What a senseless act, and so disrespectful.:down:

I'd like to get that woman in a room alone, minus the shoes.

[Sailor Steve]

Lots of class. :nope:

[Tribesman]

This is nuts.
The woman is nuts.
It's the same person who got thrown out of court at the aurora shooting trial claiming James Holmes is innocent.

[TarJak]

I'd like to get that woman in a room alone, minus the shoes.
I'm wondering if Neal's been in the box too long on his own. Either that or he's developed a foot fetish.:hmmm:

[TarJak]

:haha:
Nice to know I won't be in the Brig alone.
:D
:arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm sorry she missed.

[Platapus]

I'm sorry she missed.

That's a sad thing to write. I don't care how much I disagree with a public figure, acts of violence/attempted violence against them can't be tolerated.

[TarJak]

Yes it will but not until you shut up about it. :O:

[Red October1984]

I'm sorry she missed.

That's what I'm saying.

God i'd have loved to see that on video. :hmmm:

[Onkel Neal]

The woman is nuts.
It's the same person who got thrown out of court at the aurora shooting trial claiming James Holmes is innocent.

She has a history and they let her run free? I thought we as a society were trying to keep better tabs on people with mental illness...:06:

[Cybermat47]

That's what I'm saying.

God i'd have loved to see that on video. :hmmm:

:doh: :nope:
I refer you to Platapus' statement:

That's a sad thing to write. I don't care how much I disagree with a public figure, acts of violence/attempted violence against them can't be tolerated.

And I bet you weren't so happy when it was Bush who had shoes thrown at him :down:

But I won't hold anything against you :)

And anyway, it was Hitler who threw the shoe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcFT_wBDYh8

[Betonov]

I thought we as a society were trying to keep better tabs on people with mental illness...:06:

If you did, you'd run out of politicians :03:

[Tribesman]

She has a history and they let her run free? I thought we as a society were trying to keep better tabs on people with mental illness...:06:
Yes, but that would cost time money and effort.

[STEED]

Throwing a shoe is so yesterday's news just like paint, your fist, egg(s) and pie.

[MH]

Incoming...government controlled password controlled power lacing shoes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9134473.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/nike-mag-xl.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

That's a sad thing to write. I don't care how much I disagree with a public figure, acts of violence/attempted violence against them can't be tolerated.

She is very tolerant towards acts of violence that others endured under her watch. "But what difference does it make?" It was a sad thing to say on her part. She marches on looking to break the glass ceiling while trampling along the way.

[Catfish]

In the middle east, throwing shoes at e.g. a president means he should leave his administrative post. Throwing a shoe in this region is, at the same time, the most contemptuous action you can show for someone.
But I doubt the woman knew that ..

[Wolferz]

On the Special report;
Hill-dog and the cobblers son.
Mrs Clinton claims,
"I didn't know he had a girlfriend who was an Olympic shoe thrower!"

It was just my size and a pity she didn't toss its counterpart she went on to say.

Tune in later tonight for our special report on Wolfe Blitzer's female footwear fetish.

[Jimbuna]

She's not the first and I doubt the last either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWt3-kPBQ4A

[Wolferz]

I wonder how many agents got fired for allowing the crazy woman to even get close enough to toss a shoe? Those guys are supposed to take a bullet for their charges but, I guess they draw the line at footwear.:haha:

[Skybird]

and so disrespectful.:down:
That's why! :up:

Though taking off my shoe maybe would cause collateral damage, so in cases like this I personally would opt for the slap in the face plus the firing squad waiting before the door.

[Red October1984]

:doh: :nope:
I refer you to Platapus' statement:

And I bet you weren't so happy when it was Bush who had shoes thrown at him :down:

But I won't hold anything against you :)

I honestly thought it was pretty amusing when Bush had a shoe thrown at him...but Clinton made my day....

She is very tolerant towards acts of violence that others endured under her watch. "But what difference does it make?" It was a sad thing to say on her part. She marches on looking to break the glass ceiling while trampling along the way.

I stand with AVG in this thread. :rock:

[Jimbuna]

I wonder how many agents got fired for allowing the crazy woman to even get close enough to toss a shoe? Those guys are supposed to take a bullet for their charges but, I guess they draw the line at footwear.:haha:

Well, you know what they say...if the shoe fits.

[Wolferz]

Well, you know what they say...if the shoe fits.


Questionable. She's no Cinderella.:arrgh!:

[Subnuts]

Range war against Fed, Patriots on the move.

[Spiced_Rum]

I'm sorry she missed.

:agree:

[Sailor Steve]

I think the point was that no matter how badly we may think of someone in the public eye (and I think very poorly of her, when I think of her at all), wishing physical harm on someone is just wrong. If you would like to see her beaned with footwear, which might be funny, would you also like to see her lose an eye to the right type of shoe. Crippled? In a coma? Dead?

If so, that might say more about your qualities as a human being that hers.

[Red October1984]

I think the point was that no matter how badly we may think of someone in the public eye (and I think very poorly of her, when I think of her at all), wishing physical harm on someone is just wrong. If you would like to see her beaned with footwear, which might be funny, would you also like to see her lose an eye to the right type of shoe. Crippled? In a coma? Dead?

If so, that might say more about your qualities as a human being that hers.

Well....I don't mean her serious harm or death or anything...but I think that it would be amusing if she had been hit. :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

They have regular drills for this sort of thing at the state department.
Hil-dog was in no danger and showed how spry the old gal still is.

Not to mention, ducking prosecution for so many years leaves you with a sixth sense.:O:

[Tribesman]

They have regular drills for this sort of thing at the shoe department.

[Wolferz]

If you think women aren't tough...
Visit a department store on black Friday.:doh:

[Cybermat47]

I think the point was that no matter how badly we may think of someone in the public eye (and I think very poorly of her, when I think of her at all), wishing physical harm on someone is just wrong. If you would like to see her beaned with footwear, which might be funny, would you also like to see her lose an eye to the right type of shoe. Crippled? In a coma? Dead?

If so, that might say more about your qualities as a human being that hers.

Well said :rock:

Personally, I think violence should only be used as a last resort, no matter what the situation is.

[Cybermat47]

I honestly thought it was pretty amusing when Bush had a shoe thrown at him...

:shifty:

Me too :)

Well....I don't mean her serious harm or death or anything...but I think that it would be amusing if she had been hit. :hmmm:

I'm no shoe expert, but if they were high-heels, at the right angle, they could've taken an eye out. It would've been as funny as when that hockey player had his throat opened up by someone else's skate.

Personally, I think that it's amusing that she had a shoe thrown at her (and she does too, judging from how she handled it), but I'm glad she didn't get hit.

[Wolferz]

Thank the stars it was a sneaker and not a sabot.:yep:

[em2nought]

Was this a spontaneous protest, or a planned terrorist attack? I'm sure help will arrive soon.

[Tribesman]

Was this a spontaneous protest, or a planned terrorist attack? I'm sure help will arrive soon.
Still flogging that dead horse then?

[TorpX]

She is very tolerant towards acts of violence that others endured under her watch. "But what difference does it make?" It was a sad thing to say on her part. She marches on looking to break the glass ceiling while trampling along the way.

I agree.

If they don't respect us, why should we respect them?

[Cybermat47]

She is very tolerant towards acts of violence that others endured under her watch.

Who?

I agree.

If they don't respect us, why should we respect them?




There are people I don't respect. But that doesn't mean I want to see them physically injured.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think the point was that no matter how badly we may think of someone in the public eye (and I think very poorly of her, when I think of her at all), wishing physical harm on someone is just wrong. If you would like to see her beaned with footwear, which might be funny, would you also like to see her lose an eye to the right type of shoe. Crippled? In a coma? Dead?

If so, that might say more about your qualities as a human being that hers.

The woman callously does not give a damn about anything then her own political career. There is a trail of people who received physical harm(dead) from rocket launchers. The lies from the top started forthwith to save ones aspirations of the WH. That shows the quality of her human being as well as this administration and a good idea how things operate on Capitol Hill. There is no defense for shoe throwing. There is even less for her in actions, cover up and subsequent head injury from bumping her head. I really don't want her beaned by shoe. I want her aspirations to the WH to stop.

[AVGWarhawk]

Who?
.

Benghazi ring a bell?

[nikimcbee]

The woman callously does not give a damn about anything then her own political career. There is a trail of people who received physical harm(dead) from rocket launchers. The lies from the top started forthwith to save ones aspirations of the WH. That shows the quality of her human being as well as this administration and a good idea how things operate on Capitol Hill. There is no defense for shoe throwing. There is even less for her in actions, cover up and subsequent head injury from bumping her head. I really don't want her beaned by shoe. I want her aspirations to the WH to stop.

Now she can actually say "she's dodged sniper fire."

[Cybermat47]

Benghazi ring a bell?

I seem to recall that the US Ambassador was killed by angry Muslims, and that the Republicans blamed her as part of their election campaign, and that she gave her condolences to the family of the ambassador.

I really don't want her beaned by shoe.

Then why did you say you wanted her to be on page 1? :O:

Anyway, I hope this doesn't get too heated. I respect you, man. In fact, I respect everyone I've argued with in this thread.

[Tribesman]

I seem to recall that the US Ambassador was killed by angry Muslims, and that the Republicans blamed her as part of their election campaign, and that she gave her condolences to the family of the ambassador.

Yes....
Still flogging that dead horse then? :03:

[Cybermat47]

Yes....
Still flogging that dead horse then? :03:

Well, if he thinks that Clinton was somehow responsible for the death of a Human being, or disrespected that person in some way, I'd be more worried if he wasn't flogging the horse, alive or not.

But it seems that that's not the case:

“My biggest regret is what happened in Benghazi,” she said during a question-and-answer session after her keynote speech at the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) convention in a packed 4,000-seat room.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-says-benghazi-attack-was-her-biggest-regret-as-secretary-of-state/2014/01/27/bf842baa-8788-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html

So I honestly cannot see what's so bad about Mrs. Clinton. I just can't.

[Platapus]

So I honestly cannot see what's so bad about Mrs. Clinton. I just can't.

She is a democrat? Or to be more precise she ain't a Republican. :D

[Skybird]

The political establishments today are forms of the organised crimes, and profi politicians representing it and living by it in a parasytical manner are gangsters and mafiosi. Who cares for a mafia ganster or a godfather getting shot or injured? I refuse to care for their interests, and disposijng them to me is an act of self defence.

So stop whining about somebody throwing a shoe at this gangster. I think she got an easy getway. She is just a gangster, sucking your money and claiming you to be owing her your obedience. Her and the many other gangsters like her.

This political system and establishment is completely corrupted. Do not defend it. You become guilty by doing so. Do not prepare these gangsters a stage from which to project their destructive influence. Deny them all loyalty, respect and obedience, and money and work. You cannot vote them to go away. When they go, tbey pop up again somewhere else, and somebody being exactly like themselves takes their former post, and there you are at the starting line again. A hamster in a treadmill cannot defeat the system, and never gets anywhere.

The mafia system prevails. No matter whom you vote for. Your freedom to choose is an illusion, since alternatives to supporting the mafia system are refused to you and are withheld from you. Any vote you give, no matter whom you vote for, is a legitimation of the mafia controlling and designing the system.

They threw a shoe at one mafia girl? Better cry that they did not throw her out of the window instead.

[Cybermat47]

The political establishments today are forms of the organised crimes, and profi politicians representing it and living by it in a parasytical manner are gangsters and mafiosi. Who cares for a mafia ganster or a godfather getting shot or injured? I refuse to care for their interests, and disposijng them to me is an act of self defence.

So stop whining about somebody throwing a shoe at this gangster. I think she got an easy getway. She is just a gangster, sucking your money and claiming you to be owing her your obedience. Her and the many other gangsters like her.

This political system and establishment is completely corrupted. Do not defend it. You become guilty by doing so. Do not prepare these gangsters a stage from which to project their destructive influence. Deny them all loyalty, respect and obedience, and money and work. You cannot vote them to go away. When they go, tbey pop up again somewhere else, and somebody being exactly like themselves takes their former post, and there you are at the starting line again. A hamster in a treadmill cannot defeat the system, and never gets anywhere.

The mafia system prevails. No matter whom you vote for. Your freedom to choose is an illusion, since alternatives to supporting the mafia system are refused to you and are withheld from you. Any vote you give, no matter whom you vote for, is a legitimation of the mafia controlling and designing the system.

They threw a shoe at one mafia girl? Better cry that they did not throw her out of the window instead.

Politics are organized crime? Have you seen the Australian Parliament recently? Do you know how many parties we have? Between the Communist Party and the Sex Party, it's amazing anybody actually gets a majority vote. And if organized crime equals giving money to schools, arresting people who use taxpayer's money on prostitutes, and giving aid to other countries who are in an emergency... you know what? In no universe would that be considered criminal. Your entire theory is based on the 'politicians are all evil' stereotype.

Also, I'm not whining that someone threw a shoe at her. I actually find it kind of funny. I'm just saying that it's a good thing she didn't get hit.

Anyway, I know it's no use talking to you when you get like this, so from now on, I'm not even going to bother. Looking forward to talking to you when you calm down a bit :salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

I seem to recall that the US Ambassador was killed by angry Muslims, and that the Republicans blamed her as part of their election campaign, and that she gave her condolences to the family of the ambassador.



Then why did you say you wanted her to be on page 1? :O:

Anyway, I hope this doesn't get too heated. I respect you, man. In fact, I respect everyone I've argued with in this thread.

Sure, I don't want to see her beaned by a size 8 but I would not be aghast if she was.

The story of Benghazi goes deeper then a few angry Muslims. The talking points initially spooned fed are not what they seem. These are her representatives stationed around the world. It is 9/11 and it seems any initiative for vigilance on this infamous day in history was not exercised. Who is to be held responsible?

[Cybermat47]

Sure, I don't want to see her beaned by a size 8 but I would not be aghast if she was.

Yeah, I kinda feel the same way. I'd feel a bit sorry for her, but not much else.

The story of Benghazi goes deeper then a few angry Muslims. The talking points initially spooned fed are not what they seem. These are her representatives stationed around the world. It is 9/11 and it seems any initiative for vigilance on this infamous day in history was not exercised. Who is to be held responsible?

Whoever was in charge of security. If that was Mrs. Clinton, then she's responsible. But she still regrets it. I'm not saying she should be absolved from responsibility though.

I doubt that the Muslims were doing it just because it was 9/11 (hey guys, to prove that we're not all like Al-Qaeda, let's kill some Americans on the day that Al-Qaeda killed thousands of Americans!), but security still should've been increased, lest some extremist in the area decides to celebrate 9/11 by killing a few Americans.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah, I kinda feel the same way. I'd feel a bit sorry for her, but not much else.



Whoever was in charge of security. If that was Mrs. Clinton, then she's responsible. But she still regrets it. I'm not saying she should be absolved from responsibility though.

I doubt that the Muslims were doing it just because it was 9/11 (hey guys, to prove that we're not all like Al-Qaeda, let's kill some Americans on the day that Al-Qaeda killed thousands of Americans!), but security still should've been increased, lest some extremist in the area decides to celebrate 9/11 by killing a few Americans.

I don't and never will feel sorry for Hillary Clinton. She is and has been self serving.

As far as a few angry Muslims it is hard to explain the rocket launchers used in the embassy attack. Even so, it is 9/11. A day were security at all embassies should be paramount.

[Cybermat47]

As far as a few angry Muslims it is hard to explain the rocket launchers used in the embassy attack. Even so, it was 9/11. A day where security at all embassies should be paramount.

Rocket launchers? Sounds like they got help from a terrorist group. But yeah, the security should've been very high on that day.

[AVGWarhawk]

Ultimately she did not know but it was on her watch and she will be pinned with it from here in out. At any rate, I think the country has seen enough of the Clintons, Bushs and Obamas. She really needs to retire along with her husband.

[Skybird]

Politics are organized crime? Have you seen the Australian Parliament recently? Do you know how many parties we have? Between the Communist Party and the Sex Party, it's amazing anybody actually gets a majority vote. And if organized crime equals giving money to schools, arresting people who use taxpayer's money on prostitutes, and giving aid to other countries who are in an emergency... you know what? In no universe would that be considered criminal. Your entire theory is based on the 'politicians are all evil' stereotype.

Also, I'm not whining that someone threw a shoe at her. I actually find it kind of funny. I'm just saying that it's a good thing she didn't get hit.

Anyway, I know it's no use talking to you when you get like this, so from now on, I'm not even going to bother. Looking forward to talking to you when you calm down a bit :salute:
You are so perfect the submissive, obedient and convinced citizen that they certainly sooner or later will try to clone you, to make themselves the population they want. ;) One which has internalised the collective Stockholm syndrome almost the genetic level.

From an article I posted some weeks ago already, this excerpt:

The mafia state of mind is all about extracting wealth that could not be extracted without state enforcement, monopoly and covert systems of control and extortion.

When there is no other choice but submission, when voting for either party yields the same results, the mafia state of mind reigns supreme. The mafia state of mind exists in all ideological flavors--socialist, capitalist, communist. The mafia state of mind is simple: leave the populace no choice but submission, enforce monopolies of control and power, and then extract and extort to your heart's content.

Once the mafia state of mind has seeped into every nook and cranny of the society and economy, it's not even recognized as corruption: it's simply the way the system works. And so the residents of nominal democracies in Asia, Europe and the Americas do not even realize how thoroughly corrupted their societies and economies really are; they cling to the illusions of choice even as their incomes, wealth and political influence are funneled into the hands of various elites by overlapping extortion rackets.

[Cybermat47]

You are so perfect the submissive, obedient and convinced citizen that they certainly sooner later will try to clone you, to make the population they want. ;)


I'm not submissive. I'm fed up with how governments keep serving themselves rather than the people. Perhaps I'm simply not as cynical as other here because I'm only 14 years old, and don't really keep up with politics. I simply don't accuse people of something based on stereotypes and when I don't see the evidence to support the accusation.

Also, that's an insult, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you. I actually liked you for a while.

[Tribesman]

Also, that's an insult, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you. I actually liked you for a while.
Look on the bright side, it's really a compliment.
As on the other hand no one in their right mind would want to be cloned into the sort of population Skybird wants for his dystopian feudal fantasy world.

[Cybermat47]

Look on the bright side, it's really a compliment.
As on the other hand no one in their right mind would want to be cloned into the sort of population Skybird wants for his dystopian feudal fantasy world.

The one with all the tiny little city states? Perhaps he should look up Ancient Greece sometime to see how well that system works...

[Skybird]

I'm not submissive. I'm fed up with how governments keep serving themselves rather than the people. Perhaps I'm simply not as cynical as other here because I'm only 14 years old, and don't really keep up with politics. I simply don't accuse people of something based on stereotypes and when I don't see the evidence to support the accusation.
When you allow others to turn your moral values into a tool by which you get blackmailed into obedience with their rules, claims, and demands, then that is not clever and their power relies on your weakness. In other words: its not about your morals, but their claims for you and over you.

I recommend to stop and to refuse to obey their rules, tberefore.

The examples you gave earlier what you want the state to do, you can all support, if you want - but stick to your own belongings that you spend on that. Stop making claims for the belongings of others, to use other peoples possession according to your liking.

Also, that's an insult, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you. I actually liked you for a while.Youre welcome! Youre not the first and you are unlikely to be the last. And actually, and just btw, that was grim irony what I said.

[Tribesman]

The one with all the tiny little city states? Perhaps he should look up Ancient Greece sometime to see how well that system works...
No need to go that far back, just take the examples he uses to support his strange vision and note that they all had the very problems(on a massive scale) that he claims such a system would somehow cure.

So to take that Churchill quote he is fond of using about the current systems and work it.
The system he advocates has been tried repeatedly before, every time it has been tried it has proven to be complete bollocks.

[Cybermat47]

When you allow others to turn your moral values into a tool by which you get blackmailed into obedience with their rules, claims, and demands, then that is not clever and their power relies on your weakness. In other words: its not about your morals, but their claims for you and over you.

I recommend to stop and to refuse to obey their rules, tberefore.


One of my moral values are only to obey authority that acts in your best interests and respects you and your rights. If they start using their power for wrong... well, I could always form my own breakaway state if things got too bad :)



WThe examples you gave earlier what you want the state to do, you can all support, if you want - but stick to your own belongings that you spend on that. Stop making claims for the belongings of others, to use other peoples possession according to your liking.


Sorry, I don't quite get what you're trying to say here. That's OK though, seeing as English isn't your native language.


Youre welcome! Youre not the first and you are unlikely to be the last. And actually, and just btw, that was grim irony what I said.

Well, now I feel less insulted :) guess I overreacted just a bit. Let's get back to getting along :)

[Tribesman]

Sorry wrong topic.

[Skybird]

One of my moral values are only to obey authority that acts in your best interests and respects you and your rights. If they start using their power for wrong... well, I could always form my own breakaway state if things got too bad :)
And that best interest of the state's authority is what I have learned to complete mistrust. Ask Neal - around ten years ago I sounded exactly like you, and he was the one asking me why I expect him to pay taxes as if it were a natural thing and morally fine. It is neither natural, nor morally fine. It is one group of people claiming rights to loot and to command others.


Sorry, I don't quite get what you're trying to say here. That's OK though, seeing as English isn't your native language.

If you want things done by the state for other states, like the aid you mentioned in your first reply, and want in general some things getting done that you are willing to support, this does not give you the right to take wealth from others to invest their wealth into what you want to see being done yourself. You can ask others whether they ocnitrbute to your cause, or not. But the decision mus be theirs, because they do not owe you obedience. You can invest that value by others for projects you like that the others give voluntarily. But I deny there is a right by people to tell other people that they MUST give away their wealth to see it invested into projects that they do not are for or even oppose.

I do not go into deeper detail here again, I did that on several according threads over the past 12 or 18 months. I have come - after years - to a position where I put the complete idea of having a state, and the idea of democracy itself into question. These two and me will not become friends again, never. I'm done with both.