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And you wonder why beef prices are on the rise,, beef vs turtle,,, and I thought the revolution would start in new england http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/expect-to-see-a-band-of-soldiers-militia-members-arrive-at-nevada-ranch/
AVGWarhawk
04-10-14, 01:07 PM
Kind of a strange thing this is. I was reading about it yesterday. From what I gather, US citizen farmer Joe agreed to pay $$ allowing his cattle to graze on park land. Farmer Joe decided it was really his land that was owned a century ago and annexed by the Fed. Farmer Joe feels he should not have to pay as a result. I think Farmer Joe is in deep trouble and destined to lose this battle.
Wolferz
04-10-14, 01:41 PM
Oh the dangers of eminent domain. All for the sake of a bloody turtle that the cows probably have no impact on whatsoever?
It's the typical Napoleon syndrome that seems to run rampant in our government agency's head offices.:stare:
When they don't get their way, they instantly resort to the jackbooted thug approach.
Tribesman
04-10-14, 01:51 PM
So he is massively overgrazing common land and not paying his bills, what a muppet.
quick call da militia and bring der gunz:rotfl2:
When they don't get their way, they instantly resort to the jackbooted thug approach.
Do the militia wear jackboots?
Oh the dangers of imminent domain. How soon is the domain due? I think you might mean eminent domain which means something else entirely.
Sorry Steve I'm wearing your grammar jackboots.
Wolferz
04-10-14, 03:11 PM
The militia wears combat boots.:03:
I kick dirt on the jackboots because they are only called upon to interfere with a man's life and liberty and his right to due process.
Oh, thank you for correcting my spelling.
*sorted*:up:
AVGWarhawk
04-10-14, 03:15 PM
So he is massively overgrazing common land and not paying his bills, what a muppet.
That is about all it boils down too. I think he owes over a million in grazing fees.
Sailor Steve
04-10-14, 03:17 PM
Sorry Steve I'm wearing your grammar jackboots.
It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. :D
Jimbuna
04-10-14, 03:21 PM
True that :yep:
Tribesman
04-10-14, 03:27 PM
That is about all it boils down too. I think he owes over a million in grazing fees.
Since he is breaking the licence and not paying the fees, is it a safe bet that he doesn't carry the required insurance too?
Which raises the question, who is the bigger muppet, Bundy or the militia nuts flocking to his "cause"?
AVGWarhawk
04-10-14, 03:29 PM
Since he is breaking the licence and not paying the fees, is it a safe bet that he doesn't carry the required insurance too?
Which raises the question, who is the bigger muppet, Bundy or the militia nuts flocking to his "cause"?
Yes.
AVGWarhawk
04-10-14, 03:38 PM
Let the turtles decide. :up:
Cybermat47
04-10-14, 03:51 PM
How come all this insane crap's happening in the US all of a sudden?
The inmates are gaining control of the asylum.
Sailor Steve
04-10-14, 05:06 PM
How come all this insane crap's happening in the US all of a sudden?
All of a sudden? Is this something new?
All of a sudden? Is this something new?
Just better publicised now, thanks to the interwebs.
Guy owes beaucoup bucks on a contract he willingly signed with the Feds, doesn't want to pay, so he wraps himself in the Flag and calls on the other slim wits to take his side? What was patriotism the last refuge for?... Oh, yeah, that's right: scoundrels....
No pity here...
<O>
All of a sudden? Is this something new?
No just that news takes awhile to travel all the way down under. :)
Admiral Halsey
04-10-14, 08:09 PM
How come all this insane crap's happening in the US all of a sudden?
Stuff like this has always happened. It's just that these things would normally get covered locally at best and now they get picked up nationally.
It's mainly the international media blowing these incidents way out of proportion. Let's wait and see if this phantom militia army actually materializes before you foreigners start believing in our imminent national demise. :shucks:
Cybermat47
04-10-14, 09:34 PM
It's mainly the international media blowing these incidents way out of proportion. Let's wait and see if this phantom militia army actually materializes before you foreigners start believing in our imminent national demise. :shucks:
Damn, if America won't fall by itself, we'll have to make it. America will become a province in the Australian Empire! Mwhahaahahahahhahahahah!
em2nought
04-10-14, 09:46 PM
http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-dispute-blm-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/ the fed already killed the turtles so leave the guy alone. His people grazed cattle there before the fed ever got there. The first shot heard round the world was a good thing, maybe it's time for another. :D
Damn, if America won't fall by itself, we'll have to make it. America will become a province in the Australian Empire! Mwhahaahahahahhahahahah!
It's already fallen. Hugh Jackman has them under control.
It's already fallen. Hugh Jackman has them under control.
And so the source of all our problems is revealed! :hmmm:
It's mainly the international media blowing these incidents way out of proportion. Let's wait and see if this phantom militia army actually materializes before you foreigners start believing in our imminent national demise. :shucks:
Wr must.. Otherwise there will nothing to talk about.
And so the source of all our problems is revealed! :hmmm:
You will be assimilated!
Tribesman
04-11-14, 02:05 AM
It's mainly the international media blowing these incidents way out of proportion. Let's wait and see if this phantom militia army actually materializes before you foreigners start believing in our imminent national demise. :shucks:
Is that why the links are to local media?
http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-dispute-blm-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/ the fed already killed the turtles so leave the guy alone. His people grazed cattle there before the fed ever got there. The first shot heard round the world was a good thing, maybe it's time for another. :D
"his people" came after the feds got there, his people also arrived after there were restrictions applied to open graze.
You will be assimilated!
Resistence is futile!
http://www.bigdamngeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/borg-300x198.jpg
Or for the fans, the Dalek way:
Resistence is useless!
http://www.bigdamngeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/dalek05-300x218.jpg
Tango589
04-11-14, 06:51 AM
Cannon said state veterinarian and brand identification officials will determine what becomes of the impounded cattle.
Burgers.
Flamebatter90
04-11-14, 07:14 AM
I don't see the problem. "We were here first" is not a very strong argument in this case.
I don't see the problem. "We were here first" is not a very strong argument in this case. Particularly when you weren't.
Flamebatter90
04-11-14, 09:39 AM
Particularly when you weren't.
Exactly.
I find it disturbing that these days, so many are willing to fight for something without knowing what they are fighting for. Especially in the US (but not only), it seems as long as the enemy is the government, they feel they are fighting for a just cause, no matter what the facts actually are.
Also, some media is going just silly with this. "They attacked woman with cancer!". Excuse me if I sound cold, but so what? Pregnant? So what? She shouldn't be there in the first place, especially if one is pregnant. It's called equality, everyone gets the same treatment (except for celebs, because.. uh..)
Wolferz
04-11-14, 01:39 PM
The Native Americans were here first too. Look how that worked out for them.:hmmm:
Plain and simple, if people are sitting on what you want, you make them your enemy so you can justify the taking of it. The natives weren't the savages they were painted to be by the so called good Christian folk from Europe. I wonder how many false flag events were staged in the days of the early settlers to make their theft of land a just one?:-? After all, history is written by the victors.
Our government has become so used to doing whatever it wants to whoever it wants whenever it wants that they can now do anything to anybody anytime without fear of repercussion. Even if they have to break the law to do so. :roll:
AVGWarhawk
04-11-14, 02:03 PM
The Native Americans were here first too. Look how that worked out for them.:hmmm:
Plain and simple, if people are sitting on what you want, you make them your enemy so you can justify the taking of it. The natives weren't the savages they were painted to be by the so called good Christian folk from Europe. I wonder how many false flag events were staged in the days of the early settlers to make their theft of land a just one?:-? After all, history is written by the victors.
Our government has become so used to doing whatever it wants to whoever it wants whenever it wants that they can now do anything to anybody anytime without fear of repercussion. Even if they have to break the law to do so. :roll:
Yes but at the end of the day this rancher agreed to terms on grazing.
And is now in breach of the terms of his agreement by not paying the fees he agreed to pay.
Flamebatter90
04-11-14, 03:55 PM
Yes but at the end of the day this rancher agreed to terms on grazing.
Exactly. He agreed to pay, and if we REALLY want to go that way, the native American's were there first, end of thread. Bundy can fight all he wants, but little bit I wish it will go like Waco, few less oxycen thiefs..
News stuff must be slow.
So where's the mass movement of Militia?
:hmmm:
Only one Nut Case claims 'They be a comin!'
:haha:
Just glad I ain't near Nevada. I always get pulled over in that Screwed up state!
:o
Based on my experience of your driving in Houston why am I not surprised?:O:
:/\\!!
Never gonna live that down am I?
:haha:
Not while there's breath in Jim or I no.:D
Tribesman
04-11-14, 04:21 PM
Plain and simple, if people are sitting on what you want, you make them your enemy so you can justify the taking of it.
That's exactly what this idiot Bundy did, it isn't working out too well for him is it.
Now that he owes his "enemy" $1million and counting I wonder if they will take the 150 acres of scrub that he actually owns as settlement of his debt?
:nope:
I figured that.
Now I must retreat to my basement and plot.
:hmmm:
Only problem is Nancy likes both of you for some reason unknown to me.
:o
I suspect she is insane.
:huh:
No she just has good taste. ;)
That's exactly what this idiot Bundy did, it isn't working out too well for him is it.
Now that he owes his "enemy" $1million and counting I wonder if they will take the 150 acres of scrub that he actually owns as settlement of his debt?
And the cattle.:yep:
If he agreed to pay to graze? He nullified any past claims.
QED
Tribesman
04-11-14, 04:41 PM
If he agreed to pay to graze? He nullified any past claims.
He never had any claim to the land.
He paid for a licence to graze land he doesn't own but then stopped paying the owners.
And the cattle.:yep:
Not only that Tarjak , as his cattle are illegally trespassing he is going to get stuck with the costs of their removal too.
His protests and appeals to der militias to come and protest are just throwing him further into debt by upping the cost of the removal.
Kptlt. Neuerburg
04-11-14, 05:08 PM
Exactly.
I find it disturbing that these days, so many are willing to fight for something without knowing what they are fighting for. Especially in the US (but not only), it seems as long as the enemy is the government, they feel they are fighting for a just cause, no matter what the facts actually are.
As Mark Twain once said (supposedly) "Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about."
...if we REALLY want to go that way, the native American's were there first
I believe the current theory is that the so called "native" Americans are at least the third wave of immigrants to the new world.
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/
Tribesman
04-11-14, 07:40 PM
This should shed some day light
Alex Jones:har::har::har::har::har:
Ha, Harry Reid in on a Chinese land grab, solar power they say, spin away
Tribesman
04-11-14, 08:54 PM
well tribes it's on Drudge too And??????
Wow a news aggregation site posts a link to the story on fruitcake central.
Ain't that amazing. :har:
Guess what Subsim now reports it too, as someone linked to exactly the same fruitcake website:yep:
Ha, Harry Reid in on a Chinese land grab, solar power they say, spin away Yeah right:doh:
Land grab off who? The idiot that doesn't own it and never has owned it.:hmmm:
Simple question for ya, going off your posted "evidence" for this conspiracy theory.
What is trespass?
A bit more complicated questions for ya.
As this posse comitatus nut doesn't believe the United States government exists and cannot own land, who exactly was the landowner his ancestors bought their actual 150 acres off?
Which landowner did he agree to pay to use their land for his cattle?
AVGWarhawk
04-11-14, 09:29 PM
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/
Infowars is utter garbage of a site.
AVGWarhawk
04-11-14, 09:46 PM
GREAT!
:/\\!!
Now you got AVGWarhawk quoteing links!
:haha:
You'll never catch me quoting garbage from infowars. :03:
Tribesman
04-12-14, 04:18 AM
Tribesman.
You know better then that! You can't ask multiple questions of those kind of people!
Now we'll be inundated with crazy links of all sorts!
This is the internet ya know!
:/\\!!
I know, I was hoping for a link claiming Harry Reid was stealing the land to be a new FEMA death camp, or maybe one about the reptilians planning on building a new secret telescope there while awaiting the arrival of PLANET X
:03:
Cybermat47
04-12-14, 06:02 AM
Alex Jones:har::har::har::har::har:
If you can't trust a guy who thinks that Prometheus is a result of a conspiracy... you're sane.
Because of alternatine news media, the government was put in check. by no means this is over, with out a free press tyranny will run ramped,, It is our duty to make this right and We the People will,, on another note Harry, I'd learn those prison wedding vowes if I were you.. I couldn't resist,,,,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9GuwuOVZc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlCZPq5IIAA_bnT.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlCZPq5IIAA_bnT.jpgcould you send me one of those, in case I get a cat that doesn't speak yubbish, great day for freedom ,,great day for we the people, I guess the next order of business in DC will be gun control wait that was a well regulate militia,, or maybe those free speech zones or on that cow fart tax, don't let this government starve us out,, PO them start a garden
This is awsome, I'm so glad to be on the right side of history, to be able to bring this to you ..http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-back-down-in-new-bundy-standoff-agree-to-release-cattle.html.. start that garden...V is also for victim,, how many more stories are out there of governmental abuse,,????? and all the while this was going on our preident was promoting voter fraud ,, how was it he said,, it's racist to ask for i.d. to vote,, Don't be on the wrong side of History.
Sailor Steve
04-12-14, 05:00 PM
Yubba, it's great to take a stand, but have you actually thought about this at all? What if what some people are saying is true? If he did sign a contract to pay grazing fees and then didn't pay them, then this is not a case of government tyranny but a case of a man breaking the law and then trying to weasel out of it by claiming ownership after the fact.
Have you even considered that possibility?
Tribesman
04-12-14, 05:27 PM
This is awsome, I'm so glad to be on the right side of history, to be able to bring this to you ..http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-bac...se-cattle.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-back-down-in-new-bundy-standoff-agree-to-release-cattle.html)..
:har::har::har::har:
Thanks for the laugh.
You have violated the 'Consipracy Theory' protocol here at Subsim.
:nope:
You can see what you started now!
Bad ParaTrooper! Bad! Bad!
:har:
I'm sorry. :oops:
No i'm not! :D
Heck Steve, Harry {how did he get so rich} Reid,,should have paid him for cutting the grass so the chicoms could put up that 5 billoion dollar solar plant that we the tax payer will probably have to flip the bill for,, and by the way I haven't found the story yet, there was a death out there acouple of weeks ago a young man was killed out there by the hands of BLM for crossing a imaginary red line in the desert on puplic land.. That's Murder,, there's more to this story than meets the eye and someone will get to the bottom of it. I like the claims that the BLM had a court order to shoot people, I would like to see that and the judge that signed it..Have another shot of that kool aide you might need it, when you see what the food prices are going to be in acouple of months, an unelected alphbectical agency should not have the power to regulale any citizen out of business, and for you man made climate change folks before you explore the cow fart tax you should take into account that there are close to 40 volcanoes erupting as we speak I guess that doesn't matter to you because it is Bushes fault,,keep living the ever expanding government dream. and why can't I get a straight answer from the USGS on how many volcanoes are actually erupting still got my on yellowstone had 5 mag quake out there 3 weeks ago well we'll see where the buffalo go..
Sailor Steve
04-12-14, 10:26 PM
So, you don't answer the question, don't discuss the issue, do a lot more ranting, and contribute nothing.
Nothing has changed since last time, or all the times before that. I suppose we should be grateful that some things are constant.
CaptainHaplo
04-12-14, 10:58 PM
Yubba, it's great to take a stand, but have you actually thought about this at all? What if what some people are saying is true? If he did sign a contract to pay grazing fees and then didn't pay them, then this is not a case of government tyranny but a case of a man breaking the law and then trying to weasel out of it by claiming ownership after the fact.
Have you even considered that possibility?
While I can not speak for Yubba, I can tell you that I have looked into this quite a bit.
Bundy had an agreement with Clive County that predates the BLM. The BLM came in and unilaterally claimed control of the land in dispute under the pretense of protecting the "endangered" desert tortoise - the same animal they themselves are euthanizing. Clive County has continued to accept fees per the original agreement - as such giving Bundy the right under "Color of the State" action to continue to use the land. Note that the Governor of Nevada AND multiple state representatives are in support of Bundy.
Also note that the Nevada is currently ~84% owned by the federal government if you accept that the federal government can just assert authority over land with pretty much any old excuse.....
Add in that the BLM was taking action (rounding up his cattle) against Bundy even during the time where he had every legal right (which he has acted on) to appeal the federal court decision. In doing so, they continue to flaunt their disregard for due process. Yes - maybe it goes all the way to the Supreme Court... But what ever happened to giving a citizen his FULL due process rights?
Finally, how do you explain the BLM's actions in tasing the guy's son twice and knocking his pregnant wife to the ground - but not arresting him or claiming he was a threat?
One can argue either side. Both sides SHOULD have let the ENTIRE court process move forward. One side didn't allow for that to happen - and it wasn't Bundy's actions that created an armed situation.
Tribesman
04-13-14, 04:02 AM
Bundy had an agreement with Clive County that predates the BLM. Woudn't the agreement be under the dept of the interior prior to the creation of bureau
Note that the Governor of Nevada AND multiple state representatives are in support of Bundy.
Republicans can be idiots too...that's the line wasn't it?:yep:
But I wonder what the politicians "supporting" Bundy are actually saying eh?
Arizona state Rep. Bob Thorpe of Flagstaff said he and state legislators weren't arguing whether Bundy broke laws or violated grazing agreements. Thorpe said the Arizona lawmakers were upset the BLM initially restricted protesters to so-called free speech zones.
Sounds like they are supporting free speech of protesters not Bundys claim to land which isn't his
Also note that the Nevada is currently ~84% owned by the federal government if you accept that the federal government can just assert authority over land with pretty much any old excuse.....
And there is the key, the rights of the owner.
They can assert their authority because its their land.
If you dispute their legal ownership then give it back to its former owners, the Mexican government.
You guys keep going back to this grazing agreement that's null and void since the blm closed off those 600,000 acres to everbody years ago,, as the story goes, just like when the government shut down and park rangers were roughing up WW2 vets. they close all that land for those turtles and it starved the ranchers out except Bundy.. now maybe you should look at this..funny how the simularly this is from 1948
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz9fX_HfsXA
Tribesman
04-13-14, 12:53 PM
You guys keep going back to this grazing agreement that's null and void since the blm closed off those 600,000 acres to everbody years ago
sorry to bring reality into your strange little world, but if the 600,000 acres were closed what land was Bundys permit to graze 150 cattle on?
His permit was revoked for exceeding his allotment and not paying his fee.
Its very hard to have an allotment to exceed if no cattle are allowed.
Its very hard to fail to pay a grazing fee if no grazing is allowed.
You make no sense at all yubba, as usual.
Everyone has his or her own belief. Sometimes those belief is based on false information
What is false information?
Maybe false in my opinion, but correctly according to yours.
False according to the mainstream media? False according to some of these guys on youtube?
Therefore everyone has his or her belief, it could be false or it could be correct, it is not me to judge.
Markus
CaptainHaplo
04-13-14, 02:20 PM
All kinds of claims can be made...
What is NOT in dispute is that the BLM did NOT allow Mr. Bundy full access to his right to due process before acting against him. In essence, they rushed to implement harm against this man and his family prior to letting him exhaust all legal avenues of redress.
In other words - the government basically told him: "you can have your day in court, but if you lose, we will act to harm you before you can exhaust your appeals."
That is not the responsible action of a government that is bound by the limits of a constitution that guarantees due process and is supposed to be a government "For the People".
Tribesman
04-13-14, 07:44 PM
All kinds of claims can be made...
What is NOT in dispute is that the BLM did NOT allow Mr. Bundy full access to his right to due process before acting against him. In essence, they rushed to implement harm against this man and his family prior to letting him exhaust all legal avenues of redress.
In other words - the government basically told him: "you can have your day in court, but if you lose, we will act to harm you before you can exhaust your appeals."
That is not the responsible action of a government that is bound by the limits of a constitution that guarantees due process and is supposed to be a government "For the People". That might make sense if it hadn't been going through the courts since the 90's.
It certainly seems like there is not a lot of rush in essence.
It might also make sense if Bundys claims in court were not repeatedly dismissed as having no basis at all in law or fact.
So you are right, all kind of claims can be made, but claims completely devoid of fact and legal standing are rubbish claims.
Nice try on "exhausting the appeals" but when courts repeatedly rule that your arguments for your case entirely lacks merit and has no legal basis it means you have no grounds to launch an appeal on.:yep:
I do like the bit where he claimed they were not his cattle and that someone else must own the cattle despite them having his brand:rotfl2:
em2nought
04-14-14, 04:33 PM
I guess I have to file, sorta hoped the revolution started before the 15th. Wonder if the BLM would have fired if it had been after everyone filed their taxes? :D
AVGWarhawk
04-16-14, 09:17 AM
I guess I have to file, sorta hoped the revolution started before the 15th. Wonder if the BLM would have fired if it had been after everyone filed their taxes? :D
Revolution has been postponed. Please send in your paperwork and associated payment.
nikimcbee
04-17-14, 09:44 AM
So, have the tanks rolled in yet? I kinda quit following this.
AVGWarhawk
04-17-14, 01:36 PM
Update: Federal government has spent $5 million to recover $1 million past due payments.
Harry Reid heard saying, "Well worth the effort and expense of the American peoples money."
:up:
nikimcbee
04-17-14, 01:45 PM
What makes me laugh about this, they're fighting about... the desert! There's nothing out there:dead::haha:.
http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/biomes/images/desert/utah_desert_1138.jpg
Who freakin' cares.
AVGWarhawk
04-17-14, 01:50 PM
What makes me laugh about this, they're fighting about... the desert! There's nothing out there:dead::haha:.
Who freakin' cares.
It's all for the turtle sir. :yeah:
nikimcbee
04-17-14, 01:54 PM
This whole thing reminds me of this....
http://076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.c om/images/files/000/101/654/original/original.jpg
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsP/13822-1934.gif
Bundy
http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/Harvey%20Korman%20and%20Mel%20Brooks%20in%20Blazin g%20Saddles.jpeg
Reid(take your pick)
http://ticker.mesonet.org/archive/20131119/slim-pickens-blazing-saddles.jpg
Dread Knot
04-17-14, 02:15 PM
What makes me laugh about this, they're fighting about... the desert! There's nothing out there:dead::haha:.
Who freakin' cares.
Yes, but if you follow the magic glow in the sky at night then glittering casinos and Elivi await. :D
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JSZodl6vUdw/THl1aqg0yjI/AAAAAAAAAWg/IsPUXYF2w6M/s1600/Las+Vegas+at+Night.jpg
Dread Knot
04-17-14, 02:17 PM
So, have the tanks rolled in yet? I kinda quit following this.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/Armitage72/e1434520a64901314357005056a9545d_zps48461b1b.gif
Tribesman
04-17-14, 02:44 PM
Update: Federal government has spent $5 million to recover $1 million past due payments.
Upadate : Federal government has spent $5 million to recover $6 million.
Fixed that for ya AVG:03:
Though even those figures are too low as the criminal is liable for the cost of the removal plus the fines are added per cow per day.
Jimbuna
04-17-14, 02:49 PM
It's all for the turtle sir. :yeah:
LOL :)
If only :doh:
em2nought
04-17-14, 03:20 PM
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/Armitage72/e1434520a64901314357005056a9545d_zps48461b1b.gif
snicker :har:
AVGWarhawk
04-17-14, 03:39 PM
Upadate : Federal government has spent $5 million to recover $6 million.
Fixed that for ya AVG:03:
Though even those figures are too low as the criminal is liable for the cost of the removal plus the fines are added per cow per day.
Lots of luck collecting the 6 million. Better chance at the million :har:
Tribesman
04-17-14, 05:58 PM
Lots of luck collecting the 6 million. Better chance at the million :har:
That's ok, it's you that gets stuck with the bill:haha:
Onkel Neal
04-17-14, 06:46 PM
Yep, taxpayers have to foot the bill for this foolishness.
Tribesman
04-17-14, 06:56 PM
Yep, taxpayers have to foot the bill for this foolishness.
So really Bundy is just a freeloader sucking off the government teat.:yep:
AVGWarhawk
04-17-14, 08:32 PM
So really Bundy is just a freeloader sucking off the government teat.:yep:
There has been a rash of this type of activity for the past 30 or so years. What's another?
Bubblehead1980
04-17-14, 10:14 PM
Well, it was a proud moment to me when saw the footage of Bundy's supporters stand up to the BLM thugs(the BLM should not have sworn officers carrying guns, tasers, etc sorry) and driving them off.Thanks to the portion of the media that has not been annexed by the government, we all know about this, even though some such as the foreigners on here, who have no idea or sense of what this means in the big picture, are influenced by the corrupt pro government media outlets.
Even if Bundy agreed to a grazing fee once upon a time, he should not have to pay the government anything, it is public land ie federal land, not a military base etc, just open range, let them graze, even if it does harm some stupid turtle.
Even if he is breaking the law, no need for the police state tactics employed against him.That is what is wrong here, sniper, cops, tasers, police dogs? No justification for this behavior by the feds.
Bundy is right and standing up to the oppressive monstrosity known as the Federal Government, the end.
Jimbuna
04-18-14, 05:10 AM
"Foreigners" "stupid turtles"....must be a job for...
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AVGWarhawk
04-18-14, 06:24 AM
Even if he is breaking the law, no need for the police state tactics employed against him.
Bundy is right and standing up to the oppressive monstrosity known as the Federal Government, the end.
I agree that BLM went way overboard with a team of Robocops decending on the ranch like Rambo 1st Blood. But.....
Bundy is not right. He needs to pay his bill and move his cattle elsewhere. He has also forced additional tax payer dollars to be spent (courts or armed response) for his misgivings of not paying his bill. Shirking ones financial obligation is never right no matter how you cut it.
Tribesman
04-18-14, 06:41 AM
I agree that BLM went way overboard with a team of Robocops decending on the ranch like Rambo 1st Blood.
Did they though?:hmmm:
You had that fruitcake farmer threatening violent revolution against a country which he says doesn't exist.
You had that muppet pictured above peddling his crazy conspiracy theories to his devoted drones.
Then you had the "militia", which appears to consist almost entirely of crazy people with a gunz thing talking about using women and kids as human shields to make them the first martyrs for their much anticipated civil war.
Sending robocops would seem like the prudent choice to make.
AVGWarhawk
04-18-14, 08:15 AM
Did they though?:hmmm:
Sending robocops would seem like the prudent choice to make.
Let's say it was excessive. I say this because many have run into situations were their homes are foreclosed. If they decided to sit and wait it out eventually the Sheriff is dispatched to oversee eviction. Just one person of authority. Not an entire team of heavily clad police, riot gear and associated armored vehicles. By and large it does not need to come to this. One guy and his family. A herd of cattle. It is not a compound of heavily armed people. Militia appeared after the fact from what I understand. As well as others who had nothing better to do with their high powered rifles for the day. And yeah, Harry Reid was talking kids a shields and domestic terrorists. Harry Reid is covering his own misguided hide.
Onkel Neal
04-18-14, 09:06 AM
So really Bundy is just a freeloader sucking off the government teat.:yep:
At the government's insistence.
I think sending in SWAT teams reeks of too much militarism. Why can't they dedicate these kind of resources for car thieves? ;)
Harry Reid is covering his own misguided hide.
I have a feeling this might be what finally gets him out of office. It'll be interesting to see how much play this gets when he's up for reelection in 2016.
AVGWarhawk
04-18-14, 09:15 AM
I have a feeling this might be what finally gets him out of office. It'll be interesting to see how much play this gets when he's up for reelection in 2016.
If the rumor mill is in fact correct on solar farms, China and the turtle refuge as cover then we can say without a doubt those in DC are self-serving and care very little about anyone but themselves. Harry needs to go. Take Pelosi with him.
AVGWarhawk
04-18-14, 09:16 AM
At the government's insistence.
I think sending in SWAT teams reeks of too much militarism. Why can't they dedicate these kind of resources for car thieves? ;)
How about at the border? :hmmm:
nikimcbee
04-18-14, 09:24 AM
I agree that BLM went way overboard with a team of Robocops decending on the ranch like Rambo 1st Blood. But.....
Bundy is not right. He needs to pay his bill and move his cattle elsewhere. He has also forced additional tax payer dollars to be spent (courts or armed response) for his misgivings of not paying his bill. Shirking ones financial obligation is never right no matter how you cut it.
I heard a lengthy phone interview with Bundy and the second he said "he didn't recognize the feds" , my kook alarm went off.
At the government's insistence.
I think sending in SWAT teams reeks of too much militarism. Why can't they dedicate these kind of resources for car thieves? ;)
Agree 100%, I don't like the fack that our police are behaving more and more like some sort of special ops/storm trooper unit.:down:
I have a feeling this might be what finally gets him out of office. It'll be interesting to see how much play this gets when he's up for reelection in 2016.
Please jebus be correct. I think he should resign because of this.:haha: Just step down.:up:
nikimcbee
04-18-14, 09:25 AM
If the rumor mill is in fact correct on solar farms, China and the turtle refuge as cover then we can say without a doubt those in DC are self-serving and care very little about anyone but themselves. Harry needs to go. Take Pelosi with him.
This.:rock:
Tribesman
04-18-14, 10:21 AM
Militia appeared after the fact from what I understand. As well as others who had nothing better to do with their high powered rifles for the day. And yeah, Harry Reid was talking kids a shields and domestic terrorists. Harry Reid is covering his own misguided hide.
He quoted that idiot Mack from the Oathkeepers.
I am sure you can find "sheriff" Mack making the statement easily enough, it was in his interview for Fox news.:yep:
How about at the border? :hmmm:
What border? the United States doesn't exist apparently.
Perhaps they should deport Bundy as he clearly cannot be a citizen of the US if the US doesn't exist.:yep:
@N.S.
At the government's insistence.
Whose insistence?
The family voluntarily started grazing the government land in the 1950s, no one insisted they do it.
Perhaps the government insisted on management? Or was it actually the ranchers that insisted on government regulation when overgrazing led to severe problems for them and their livelihood in the 1870s and again in the 1920s?
I think sending in SWAT teams reeks of too much militarism.
Armed population means armed police. Heavily armed population means heavily armed police.
Its just the way it works.
Why can't they dedicate these kind of resources for car thieves? ;)
I think you have something there.
Car thieves should declare to the media that they are all going to gather together at a certain time and place then the police can allocate sufficient resources to the site at that time.:03:
AVGWarhawk
04-18-14, 11:34 AM
Tribesman
He quoted that idiot Mack from the Oathkeepers.
I am sure you can find "sheriff" Mack making the statement easily enough, it was in his interview for Fox news.
Good stuff. Harry Greed needs to resign.
Onkel Neal
04-18-14, 01:28 PM
How about at the border? :hmmm:
Yeah, seriously. :yep:
If Bundy claims that the US doesn't exist or can be recognised, then he can hold no rights as a US citizen. He can't have it both ways.
I liked this summary, myself:
http://www.patrickstomlinson.com/2014/04/18/of-cattle-and-conservatives/
Whatever else they may be, the last thing you should think of these vandals and provocateurs as is Conservative, even if that’s the label they falsely wrap themselves in. Real Conservatives respect the rule of law, or at least they used to. Real Conservatives believe in both individual freedom and personal responsibility. And real Conservatives concern themselves with matters of fiscal responsibility.
[...]
As a conservative, I am ashamed at the way the rightwing has embraced this deadbeat, and as a gun owner, I am appalled at the lengths they have gone to support his continued fight to avoid compensating the American taxpayer for what he’s stolen. Responsible gun owners, like myself, use their weapons for sport, sustenance, and self-defense. They do NOT go looking for fights with law enforcement officers, and they most certainly do not use their weapons to defend a proven law-breaker and deadbeat from the consequences of his own misdeeds.
It's called midagaition, from my understanding, they weren't going to use the 600,000 acres next to Bundys ranch for the solar farm but for a enviromental impact zone so they could develope elsewhere, that kinda property is like gold, even the Bundy ranch could be worth alot. There is still more at play here, I'm more bent out of shape with the alphabet soup government agency that has:down:less authority than a park ranger,, carrying an assult weapon with a 30 round clip, setting up free speech zones, assulting protesters, threating to shoot protesters, and altamitly shooting a young unarmed man to death a couple of weeks ago because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time,,grubby Harry in the last day or so called Mr. Bundy and anyboby who supports him domestic terrorist, just setting the stage for violence. So who are you going to trust, a government that spies on you,, a government that uses alphabet soup agencies to abuse you,, a government that lies to you,, if you like your freedom ,, you can keep your freedom.. that's what is at stake,, by the way have you seen beef prices.
Friscobay
04-18-14, 08:47 PM
No matter what one thinks of Bundy, or the federales, the actions by Harry Reid are as asinine as the man is corrupt, and that's saying a lot when one looks at the history of the Sap From Searchlight who began virtually penniless in DC , and is now a multi-millionaire many times over as a portion of decades of seedy deals concocted with Vegas bigshots all joined at the hip with east coast wiseguys. Instead of simply allowing Bundy to vent and make a lousier case for himself and his ''cause'', Reid stupidly and publically refers to all of the Americans who showed up at Bundys ranch who committed no crime as ''domestic terrorists'' right on the heels of a real one gunning down three people at a Jewish center which passed without Dirty Harrys comment.
The best that can be said of this fiasco is a plague on both your houses. This idiot is supposed to be the Senate Majority Leader. In line for the presidency of this nation were a catastrophic event to occur. Such a condition creates more worries on just who is running this government, and fewer where a singular rancher in a corner of Nevada is concerned.:hmm2:
No matter what one thinks of Bundy, or the federales, the actions by Harry Reid are as asinine as the man is corrupt, and that's saying a lot when one looks at the history of the Sap From Searchlight who began virtually penniless in DC , and is now a multi-millionaire many times over as a portion of decades of seedy deals concocted with Vegas bigshots all joined at the hip with east coast wiseguys. Instead of simply allowing Bundy to vent and make a lousier case for himself and his ''cause'', Reid stupidly and publically refers to all of the Americans who showed up at Bundys ranch who committed no crime as ''domestic terrorists'' right on the heels of a real one gunning down three people at a Jewish center which passed without Dirty Harrys comment.
The best that can be said of this fiasco is a plague on both your houses. This idiot is supposed to be the Senate Majority Leader. In line for the presidency of this nation were a catastrophic event to occur. Such a condition creates more worries on just who is running this government, and fewer where a singular rancher in a corner of Nevada is concerned.:hmm2:
This ^ :yep:
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