Stabbing spree at high school!

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

A student went on a stabbing rampage through the classrooms and halls of a high school outside Pittsburgh on Wednesday morning, authorities said. As many as 20 students were hurt, some with life-threatening injuries.
The suspect is in custody and is being questioned by police.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/school-stabbing-spree/school-stabbing-spree-20-hurt-pittsburgh-area-bloodbath-n75536

[Jimbuna]

Just discussing this with Steve on Skype....more madness.

[TheDarkWraith]

Can't wait to see how this plays out in the media :yep: Next they will be calling for knife legislation :dead: I mean it's only fair right? If someone did this with a firearm then the media would be all over it saying ban guns, new guns laws, etc. etc :nope:

[swamprat69er]

What makes people do these things? These are just kids.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

What makes people do these things? These are just kids. Any number of reasons, bullying, peer pressure, lack of attention, abuse, hazing. Chances are though it's going to be for a dumb reason. @TheDarkWraith, I knew someone was going to say that sooner or later.

[TheDarkWraith]

Any number of reasons, bullying, peer pressure, lack of attention, abuse, hazing. Chances are though it's going to be for a dumb reason.

What I'd be curious to know is if the kid came from a single parent family (single mom) or from a family whose parents both work long hours. Lack of father figures isn't helping the world today and the increase in single parent households isn't helping either. Having both parents who work also doesn't help because majority of the time they don't have 'time' for their kids and thus the kids find other ways to get attention :shifty:

[AVGWarhawk]

Schools need metal detectors. 3-5 doors for entering the school. These are manned. Let's face it, we are only kidding ourselves all is well in the psyche of budding teenager.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

What I'd be curious to know is if the kid came from a single parent family (single mom) or from a family whose parents both work long hours. Lack of father figures isn't helping the world today and the increase in single parent households isn't helping either. Having both parents who work also doesn't help because majority of the time they don't have 'time' for their kids and thus the kids find other ways to get attention :shifty: There is also the possibility of the parents being divorced and working, I've know quite a number of people who's parents are divorced and 9/10 time the child ends up hating the new step parent. Different events effect different people in different ways, some can deal with it and others can't.

[TheDarkWraith]

There is also the possibility of the parents being divorced and working, I've know quite a number of people who's parents are divorced and 9/10 time the child ends up hating the new step parent. Different events effect different people in different ways, some can deal with it and others can't.

Very true :yep: I can identify instances of this just in my neighborhood. Out of 18 homes 5 are single family, 3 have step parents, and the rest are either single with no kids or married with kids with one parent as a stay at home parent. The single family and step parent home's kids are always in some form of trouble. Those kids are starving for attention.

[Armistead]

Any number of reasons, bullying, peer pressure, lack of attention, abuse, hazing. Chances are though it's going to be for a dumb reason. @TheDarkWraith, I knew someone was going to say that sooner or later.

My generation went through all of that and we didn't have these numerous mass attacks. I think the difference is the entitled mindset. Kids today aren't taught that life is tough, they're taught they're all winners.

Add to that a climate of violence and social media. In my day you had shoot em up shows, but there was always a clear line between right and wrong, good and bad..

[swamprat69er]

My generation went through all of that and we didn't have these numerous mass attacks. I think the difference is the entitled mindset. Kids today aren't taught that life is tough, they're taught they're all winners.

Add to that a climate of violence and social media. In my day you had shoot em up shows, but there was always a clear line between right and wrong, good and bad..
Mine too.

[TheDarkWraith]

My generation went through all of that and we didn't have these numerous mass attacks. I think the difference is the entitled mindset. Kids today aren't taught that life is tough, they're taught they're all winners.

Add to that a climate of violence and social media. In my day you had shoot em up shows, but there was always a clear line between right and wrong, good and bad..

Same here. We also were taught that you don't just give up because it's the easiest thing to do (divorce for instance :03:). Once you married it was for life. I have a problem with 'for life' and being selfish with my time and toys thus I never ventured down that path :D We also were taught that you don't have kids unless you have the time and resources to provide for them. I don't think these are being taught in today's world. Actually I think that morals and values are going by the wayside every year that passes by :shifty:

It could also be this entitlement, greed society we live in as to why kids are so screwed up :yep:

[Schroeder]

Whatever the reasons are I'll never understand that some people will go after random victims. If I feel the need to pay back a bully or certain people then I would go after those people and not randomly attack everyone I come across.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

When I was in middle school I was bullied, but I learned to just ignore them and if it started to get out of hand to find a teacher or staff member. But I also learned the hard way that in some instances the teachers or staff members just didn't care or want to do anything about it, plus suspending a bully was more like a slap on the wrist more then anything else. There are so many factors to pre-teens, and teenagers doing things like this then there used to be, parents use TV and video games like a pacifier, they don't always tell their kids right from wrong, they might not pay enough attention to their kid(s), peer pressure and popularity when a kid is in school is a big deal (to them), sometimes telling an adult that there is a bullying problem doesn't work when the adult doesn't listen or just doesn't care, and more often the not kids take things that are said on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter more the less at face value (not always but it is happening more often then it used to.), in some cases the parents of bullies instead of disciplining their kids they spoil them (spare the rod, spoil the child), in others the parents are abusive either because their parents where or their are addicts or both in which case the child grows up thinking that this is an acceptable thing to do to others.

[Wolferz]

Schools need metal detectors. 3-5 doors for entering the school. These are manned. Let's face it, we are only kidding ourselves all is well in the psyche of budding teenager.

Good idea.:up: Get them acclimated to their next place of residence...
Prison. :huh:
Many schools already have metal detectors and security personnel. Some even have a police officer stationed on site. The high school here keeps the doors locked and you can't get in unless someone lets you in and you need an appointment to gain entry. (prison)

The last time I was in my high school, the security guards were gathering after I completed my business there. They looked like they were spoiling for a fight until my former biology teacher came along and addressed me by name.

[Oberon]

I'll never understand why this thing seems to happen so often over there... :nope:

[BossMark]

I'll never understand why this thing seems to happen so often over there... :nope:
True but this time without a gun.......

[Schroeder]

True but this time without a gun.......
Would most likely have been much worse with one...

[swamprat69er]

When I was in grade 7 I was bullied. I settled the score myself. Bullies have no balls when it is one on one. I was bullied again in high school (gr.9) by an extortionist, he learned the hard way that I only take so much crap then I fight back. He went to the hospital and I got suspended (yeah! extra holidays) until he was out of the hospital.

[Wolferz]

I'll never understand why this thing seems to happen so often over there... :nope:

Our population has been a melting pot for the peoples of the world.
Just like melting metals, you're going to get some slag.:nope: All you can do is scrape it off before the pour.

I think if people would stop buying into these media frenzies some of the problem might go away.
These perps are nothing but slag and don't deserve all the attention. (15 minutes of fame)

Sadly, the only way to stop the frenzies is by publically boycotting the advertisers who prompt these kinds of stories.

[vanjast]

I come from a broken home....

My mother held down 3 jobs a day for years to see us through.
My elder brother and myself are fine. My younger sister went off the rails for a bit, but recovered.

We were dirt poor, my mother was broke 2 days after every payday.
I never had a lunchbox at an expensive school, while the rich kids 'pigged out'.
I was bullied, and fought back. We were then sent to a 'government' school (much cheaper), but education was the same standard.

My mother couldn't afford UNI, I studied in the military, got a job at UNI and studied part-time for 10 years night school, while holding down a day job.

When my kids come up with this 'entitlement'.. Mom and I lay into them from a dizzy height, an 'crucify' them. We meet 'fire with fire' from our kids, but show full support to the extreme - that's what parents do!

I also used the belt (with self discipline) on each kid from the age of 6 - 10, there after I used it as a 'threat reminder' to great effect. Mom and I have shown them how we can 'explode' - they know the boundaries.

I've never considered a grudge against anyone for my 'misfortune', but always looked at educating and improving myself - that along the way I picked up the world's hottest chick, and have great kids and living the life... well as they say..

Every dark cloud has a silver lining

[swamprat69er]

The sticker is going to meet up with his 'dark cloud' real soon.

[vanjast]

I also used the belt (with self discipline) on each kid from the age of 6 - 10, there after I used it as a 'threat reminder' to great effect. Mom and I have shown them how we can 'explode' - they know the boundaries.


This reminds me of a funny moment with my eldest kid...

I brought out the belt, and he said..
'I'll report you to the police'

I then belted him... and said
'That was for your 'infringement', NOW you can walk to the police station and report me... actually NO... I'll take you there myself.
After you fill in your report.. they will probably arrest me, and lock me up, and then after the court case they will take you away, and your brother, and put you in a more 'deserving home' - you will never see you mother and father again.
So what's it to be.. accept the punishment for the 'crime' .. or disappear forever ??"

That shut him up very quickly....
:up:

[swamprat69er]

There is nothing like 'calling a bluff'.

[vanjast]

It works fairly well at the right times.

Essentially kids push the boundaries... if you don't show them where the 'buck stops'.. you end up with problems like the topic of this thread.

An understanding of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' must be installed in that young mind, without destroying it's brilliance.
:03:

[Red October1984]

I'll never understand why this thing seems to happen so often over there... :nope:

The media seems to make it seem that way doesn't it? :hmmm:


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Hell, if anybody comes and tries to stab people at my school, i'll stab him right back.

I may not like all of the people in my school....but if there are at least one or two teenagers like me in any of these places you would think that they would fight back.

Better to live one day as a lion than to live a thousand as a lamb.

[Cybermat47]

Well, on the plus side, maybe people will stop arguing about gun control, and actually think about improving mental healthcare.

Good thing nobody was killed. Hopefully no one will die from their injuries.

[swamprat69er]

It is tragic that a 16 year old that is supposed to be smart according to the news reports (if you can believe them) and his peers breaks and goes on the war path like that. Tragic, what a waste.

[the_tyrant]

whew. There was a stabbing at my high school, but thank god the police officer stationed on campus subdued him and he only stabbed one guy.

[Red October1984]

It is tragic that a 16 year old that is supposed to be smart according to the news reports (if you can believe them) and his peers breaks and goes on the war path like that. Tragic, what a waste.

Yeah. Well, everybody has their breaking point. However, teens (from my observation) put wayyyy too much pressure on themselves and waaayyyy too much pressure on just about everything they do.

Some snap, some don't. Some learn to grow up. This kind of thing just tells me that teens aren't emotionally and mentally developing.

Probably has something to do with that rock n' roll music. :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

Yeah. Well, everybody has their breaking point. However, teens (from my observation) put wayyyy too much pressure on themselves and waaayyyy too much pressure on just about everything they do.

Some snap, some don't. Some learn to grow up. This kind of thing just tells me that teens aren't emotionally and mentally developing.

Probably has something to do with that rock n' roll music. :hmmm:

I think it has more to do with the curriculum in the school. The attitudes of the faculty and the situation at home.
If we're going to cite music as the cause, then blame it on that violent rap crap.

As for the emotional development... kids coming out of high school today are five years short of where their development should be. Not exactly the best education government money can buy. It's focused too much on the core subjects and not enough on how to deal with the real world on the outside. My stepson graduated from high school and he didn't know how to write a check to pay his bills.
High school is supposed to prep a student for college. Today they are prepped for either college or prison.:-?

[AVGWarhawk]

Good idea.:up: Get them acclimated to their next place of residence...
Prison. :huh:
Many schools already have metal detectors and security personnel. Some even have a police officer stationed on site. The high school here keeps the doors locked and you can't get in unless someone lets you in and you need an appointment to gain entry. (prison)

The last time I was in my high school, the security guards were gathering after I completed my business there. They looked like they were spoiling for a fight until my former biology teacher came along and addressed me by name.

All schools should have metal detectors. My daughters school has a police officer present all day. Full fledged. Metal detectors are used at sporting events, amusement parks and the like. Not much in the way of gun/knife play at these placed. Last year a student left my daughters school and returned later. There is only one way in when school starts. The school secretary questioned the student when he returned. His answers were sketchy at best. They searched his bag as a result. Gun found. Student was taken into custody. For me, metal detectors are a must. We continually play Russian roulette pretending things like this just don't happen in my neighborhood school. We are fools......

[Wolferz]

If we're going to constantly expect the worst from these kids, sooner than later they will oblige.
This state already requires that book bags be made of a see through material. Everything else is prohibited.

[swamprat69er]

There weren't metal detectors or cops hanging around the HS I went to. We all carried knives. We didn't use them against each other, we used them as tools.
I got caught in machine shop (which I went to class after my regular classes), I had made a beautiful (in my eyes) set of brass knuckles, complete with razor sharp edges. The instructor/teacher confiscated them. I still got the marks for the work, but did not get to keep the product. He told me they were illegal.
It is a good thing I never got searched while I went there, I always carried a switchblade in my pocket. The Town of Whitby Police got that. I didn't get charged, but I lost the knife.

[Wolferz]

Rough neighborhood, Swamprat?:huh:
Brass knuckles?
And to think, all I made in metal shop was an aluminum meat tenderizer and tempered nickels for pitching. (no bounce just a flat slide):cool:

[swamprat69er]

Farming. Need a good sharp knife for cutting baling string and whatever, including whittling.
The knuckles I had a purpose for, but I ended up using the side of a locker and the wall to my advantage instead. It worked better as I didn't use a weapon to attain the damage to the trouble makers' head.

[Wolferz]

Farming. Need a good sharp knife for cutting baling string and whatever, including whittling.
The knuckles I had a purpose for, but I ended up using the side of a locker and the wall to my advantage instead. It worked better as I didn't use a weapon to attain the damage to the trouble makers' head.

My preferred weapon for the unreasonable peer was a cafeteria chair across the teeth. Slapped a guy with the blade of my T-square in drafting class for constantly poking me in the ribs with his.

[TarJak]

None of our high schools have metal detectors, nor should any school need them. How about parents taking responsibility for teaching their children respect and proper responses to social interaction. Guns and knives and even chairs to the teeth should not be part of a child's social repertoire.

[swamprat69er]

None of our high schools have metal detectors, nor should any school need them. How about parents taking responsibility for teaching their children respect and proper responses to social interaction. Guns and knives and even chairs to the teeth should not be part of a child's social repertoire.
A wall in the head works good tho.

[Wolferz]

None of our high schools have metal detectors, nor should any school need them. How about parents taking responsibility for teaching their children respect and proper responses to social interaction. Guns and knives and even chairs to the teeth should not be part of a child's social repertoire.

True, but a peer who doesn't get the message to leave you be or else, gets a chair in the teeth. Telling a faculty member or a parent was usually met with disbelief and an accusation that you were the cause of the altercation when in reality it was just a bully suffering from newly acquired testosterone and an evil mind. Once blood was drawn, respect followed. Being a tattle tell only escalated the abuse. So, I took it to the court of chair only as a last resort. I taught the same philosophy to my own kids. I refused to be a constant victim to those who would try to abuse me. I got damned mad and wasn't going to take it anymore. I wouldn't expect any kid to just suck it up and take it.
This kid in Pissburgh just snapped from what has been reported so far. Even that must be taken with a grain of salt.:yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

None of our high schools have metal detectors, nor should any school need them. How about parents taking responsibility for teaching their children respect and proper responses to social interaction. Guns and knives and even chairs to the teeth should not be part of a child's social repertoire.

These shouldn't be part of the repertoire but we see reality is something entirely different. There is a pattern of this behavior seen around the world. Schools, malls, etc.

[Jimbuna]

Sad but true.

[TarJak]

I blame the parents.

[Red October1984]

I think it has more to do with the curriculum in the school. The attitudes of the faculty and the situation at home.
If we're going to cite music as the cause, then blame it on that violent rap crap.

The music thing was a joke. :arrgh!: I listen to just about everything...from Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong to Metallica and Marilyn Manson.

I also play all kind of violent video games.

I haven't killed anybody. :O:

As for the emotional development... kids coming out of high school today are five years short of where their development should be. Not exactly the best education government money can buy. It's focused too much on the core subjects and not enough on how to deal with the real world on the outside. My stepson graduated from high school and he didn't know how to write a check to pay his bills.
High school is supposed to prep a student for college. Today they are prepped for either college or prison.:-?

That ain't no joke.

Everybody stresses all the core subjects too much.

No real world skills are taught in normal classes....now like a Career and Tech center that will? "That's for dumb kids who won't go to college"

There weren't metal detectors or cops hanging around the HS I went to. We all carried knives. We didn't use them against each other, we used them as tools.
I got caught in machine shop (which I went to class after my regular classes), I had made a beautiful (in my eyes) set of brass knuckles, complete with razor sharp edges. The instructor/teacher confiscated them. I still got the marks for the work, but did not get to keep the product. He told me they were illegal.
It is a good thing I never got searched while I went there, I always carried a switchblade in my pocket. The Town of Whitby Police got that. I didn't get charged, but I lost the knife.

Heh. Mine's not a switchblade but I NEVER leave the house without it.

Not as a weapon, but like you say, as a tool.

I blame the parents.

Me too. Parents are becoming dumber as generations go on.

Just wait. When the generation that has legalized weed becomes parents EVERYBODY will be schizophrenic and have no brain cells. :yeah:

Perfect. :shifty:

[Cybermat47]

I'm wondering why this stuff happens in the US more than any other place. I mean, in Australia, our high schools don't have any metal detectors or stuff, and I've only heard of one case of a student killing another student. And I don't think the killer was insane, apparently when he found out he'd killed the guy he broke down in tears.

So why America? Is it the culture? Is it the media? Is it the government? What the hell is going on?!

[Red October1984]

So why America? Is it the culture? Is it the media? Is it the government? What the hell is going on?!

Media more than anything I think. :hmmm:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Media more than anything I think. :hmmm:
:sign_yeah: Nowadays with everyone connected to the internet, via cellphones, computers and so on things like this get reported far more quickly then they would of before. Plus considering that this is called a "mass" stabbing it got more coverage then say if one or two people had been stabbed. If it was one or two people then it would of been just local news.

[vanjast]

I blame the parentsTo a large degree I agree.
One must also consider most other factors that effect kids. although one cannot completely insulate kids, parents are generally the first stop, and can do a lot of preventative work, via 'life-educating' their kids.

You most probably find this kid's parent might not have been too involved with his life.
As parents what we've generally worked out, although this is 'not set in stone'.

1) Kids need both a mother and father in their lives.
2) The 'majority stake' care giver is Mom up to the age of approximately 6 years.
3) From 6 years onwards kids tend to look toward Dad for guidance.
4) Male kids will soon be challenging their father for 'alpha male status'.
Maybe testosterone driven - but it does happen.
5) If you discipline your kids, fairly and diligently, they are for the most part, settled and happy.

I've tried various forms of discipline to see what works best, and I can say without a doubt - Little or no discipline creates an unhappy and disturbed child... period (discipline here being used in a broad context)

:up:

[TarJak]

Agree with you on a poorly disciplined child being difficult to deal with. I'd posit that a fair proportion of ADHD diagnosis is not really anything more than lazy parenting.

[Schroeder]

So why America? Is it the culture? Is it the media? Is it the government? What the hell is going on?!
I might be wrong about that but I sometimes have a feeling that violence is more accepted in American society. It's enough to watch an American documentary about some military engagement to get the feeling that violently crushing your opponent is the way to go. I'm aware that it's the goal of war to crush your enemy but the way it is mostly displayed in those documentaries also point to a affinity for violence among the audience. Same is true for action movies. So when kids see that the strong guy always smashes his opponent and gets applause for that in the end then it's no surprise that John Doe student is also more willing to take that route to settle arguments.

Again I might be wrong but that's the impression I have and in the 7 years I went to a German Gymnasium (High school) I didn't see a single fight on the campus.:hmm2:

[Flamebatter90]

I have to agree with Schroeder. Violence appears to be more "acceptable" over in the US than sex for example. Shows like "Bones", which I would say is somewhat "light" crime show, does have some pretty gruesome stuff in almost every episode.

But at the end of the day I would say it is probably a mix of multiple things that causes these sad events.

ETA: Oh and I am not saying it's just US shows that have gruesome scenes, my "Bones" example was because it is one of those shows that mixes light hearted humour and gruesome scenes. The two kind of "level it out", sort of soften the bad parts making it more bland.. I guess. I don't know, it's hard to explain what I mean exactly. Sorry...

[Wolferz]

Let's not try this kid in the court of public opinion just yet and try not to rush to the conclusion that America has a culture of accepting violence. Most of us get along just fine without cracking skulls. In reality we frown on that kind of behavior. It's also unfair to summarily judge the parents of this kid as being the sole source of his problem. The fact remains that sometimes people just go off the rails for a multitude of reasons. Not much can be done if a child's brain suddenly develops a chemical imbalance that makes him crazy as a loon. It can happen to anyone, anywhere. No matter what is done to prevent it. None of us is perfect and if you think you can sit back and judge a nation of three hundred million people by a few isolated incidents of violence, then you may want to take a closer look at your own neck of the woods. The whole planet has been susceptible to it for thousands of years.
Be careful that you don't injure yourself getting off that high horse.:hmmm: In the information age...

America has a culture of reporting bad news loud and proud. It sells advertising. :roll:

[Flamebatter90]

Oh, I'm not on a high horse and I don't think any foreigner who has aired their opinion is. It's just that there are alot of these incidents over there. It's a big country, that is true, but that still doesnt really explain it. Over here in Europe, with multiple countries and multiple cultures, we dont have many of those kinds of incidents.

There's no point in pointing the finger at anyone, only to understand why and how this stuff happens. I don't have any answers, I can only speculate which is pretty useless in the long run, especially as I have never visited US.

When it comes to bad news, they are reported in Europe too, so it's not just the media blowing things over the proportions.

[Wolferz]

Oh, I'm not on a high horse and I don't think any foreigner who has aired their opinion is. It's just that there are alot of these incidents over there. It's a big country, that is true, but that still doesnt really explain it. Over here in Europe, with multiple countries and multiple cultures, we dont have many of those kinds of incidents.

There's no point in pointing the finger at anyone, only to understand why and how this stuff happens. I don't have any answers, I can only speculate which is pretty useless in the long run, especially as I have never visited US.

When it comes to bad news, they are reported in Europe too, so it's not just the media blowing things over the proportions.

I wasn't pointing any fingers at anyone but, I think you've hit the nail on the head with the media's tendency to blow things out of proportion. Look at the coverage CNN devoted to that Malaysian aircraft disappearance as an example. It was ludicrous speed ahead for those jokers :roll:
The quote in your sig may be the closest we could ever get to the why of these kinds of events. Chimpanzees can be quite violent and murderous with each other in the wild. Humans having a larger more advanced brain doesn't exclude us from our baser instincts. We've not evolved the CroMagnon genes completely out of the sequence yet.

[Flamebatter90]

MH370's disappearance was reported worldwide, daily.

The key to getting the "Full Story" is to check media from different countries.

My sig? You are right, I think we are all still monkeys, we just know how to make coffee, make business trades and so on. We are more sophisticated, sure, but looking at the world, is it any different from one monkey tribe's alpha male battle? I don't see much of a difference, deadlier weapons that's all.

[Wolferz]

MH370's disappearance was reported worldwide, daily.

True, but CNN took it to a whole level beyond what anyone else was doing. Even to the point of airing a special report on the special reporter assigned to the story . Hoo boy!:haha: Talk about a bunch of folks who are totally enamored with themselves! :roll:

[vanjast]

I'd posit that a fair proportion of ADHD diagnosis is not really anything more than lazy parenting.
BINGO !!
There are a few of those in our neighbourhood.. and we know that the parents do not (repeat) do not feed them properly, so they give them bloody pills instead.... Freaks Mom and I out big time.

But what can you do... You can't tell parents they're not looking after their kids properly.:o
We just make sure our own kids get the best we can offer.

[swamprat69er]

I looked at USA today last night and check out everything they had to say. (I can't watch videos on CNN). The kid might be 16, but he is short and skinny and looks like a 12 year old. Some people in the school say he was being teased about his size. That could be his reason.

[Flamebatter90]

True, but CNN took it to a whole level beyond what anyone else was doing. Even to the point of airing a special report on the special reporter assigned to the story . Hoo boy!:haha: Talk about a bunch of folks who are totally enamored with themselves! :roll:

Err.. Australian news were reporting about it almost minute by minute.

Like I said, check number of news, MH370 was all over.

[swamprat69er]

Some got balls and some got feet. The ones with balls, fight. The ones with feet........run.

[swamprat69er]

In evolution, how many species have feet designed for running away?
:hmmm:
Unless they are on the lower scale of the food chain.

I have no pity for the masses that acted like a scared herd of encephalopods.

A few people with box cutters took down the Trade Towers!
:o
So what do We do? Teach our kids to run?
Screw that! Stand up like real people and fight!
If the Human Race can't do that? I say let it die out.
and then there are the pacifists.:wah:

[TarJak]

Best served with Chianti.
:D

Don't forget the fava beans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Ptctl5_qQ

[Wolferz]

A few people with box cutters took down the Trade Towers!
Pffft!
Bought that load of road apples hook, line and sinker did you?:03:
It's OK, you're not the Lone Ranger.:O:

This kid must be some kind of Ninja if the bigger boys couldn't or wouldn't tackle him.:shifty:

Then there's the one who whined; "I might freeze up if I return to school" Talk about taking advantage of the situation! Take your coat and get on the damn bus. :roll:

[Oberon]

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/13759.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Some got balls and some got feet. The ones with balls, fight. The ones with feet........run.

If they'd been my kids I'd hope they had sense and keep well away.

[Wolferz]

If they'd been my kids I'd hope they had sense and keep well away.

A book or even an I-pad would make an excellent shield in a pinch.:know:
Time to add a self defense class to the curriculum?

[Schroeder]

A book or even an I-pad would make an excellent shield in a pinch.:know:
Time to add a self defense class to the curriculum?
I'm sure you would have tackled that knife wielding guy with ease.....

[Wolferz]

I'm sure you would have tackled that knife wielding guy with ease.....

Tackle?
No. Cafeteria chair to the teeth? Yes!:shucks:

[Oberon]

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[Wolferz]

In the bud...
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[Jimbuna]

A book or even an I-pad would make an excellent shield in a pinch.:know:
Time to add a self defense class to the curriculum?

That may be so but it is not a kids responsibility to have to disarm someone at school.

Kids have an absolute right to be schooled in a perfectly safe environment and it is up to those in authority to ensure such an environment exists.

[Wolferz]

That may be so but it is not a kids responsibility to have to disarm someone at school.

Kids have an absolute right to be schooled in a perfectly safe environment and it is up to those in authority to ensure such an environment exists.
I agree but...
Can anyone guarantee your safety from the moment you step out of your door until you walk back in it? We live on a dangerous planet populated with dangerous people. The only way a parent can be assured of their child's safety would be to home school them. It would be literally impossible to pre-empt the actions of this young whack job in a crowded school hallway. The good news this time is nobody died.
So, how can we fix this? Treat them all like suspects and have them frisked at the door? Sounds simple enough in theory, but impractical for a school with hundreds of kids.
It's a dangerous business stepping out your door. All you can do is teach your kids to be aware of their surroundings at all times and hope for the best:)

Pay less attention to the fifth estate.:hmmm:

[Platapus]

I think running away from a guy with a knife is a good way to handle it.

I don't have to outrun the guy with the knife, I just have to outrun the other guys. :up:

I always respect heroes, but have no desire to become one. :03:

[Platapus]

Agree with you on a poorly disciplined child being difficult to deal with. I'd posit that a fair proportion of ADHD diagnosis is not really anything more than lazy parenting.

and school funding. :nope:

[Jimbuna]

I agree but...
Can anyone guarantee your safety from the moment you step out of your door until you walk back in it? We live on a dangerous planet populated with dangerous people. The only way a parent can be assured of their child's safety would be to home school them. It would be literally impossible to pre-empt the actions of this young whack job in a crowded school hallway. The good news this time is nobody died.
So, how can we fix this? Treat them all like suspects and have them frisked at the door? Sounds simple enough in theory, but impractical for a school with hundreds of kids.
It's a dangerous business stepping out your door. All you can do is teach your kids to be aware of their surroundings at all times and hope for the best:)

Pay less attention to the fifth estate.:hmmm:

Well I certainly agree regarding pre-empting and give thanks nobody died but this type of behaviour is becoming more common so if frisking and metal detectors with security guards is what it takes, then so be it.

A childs safety and wellbeing is of paramount importance and should be the one and only consideration.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Wolferz http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2196789#post2196789)
A book or even an I-pad would make an excellent shield in a pinch.:know:
Time to add a self defense class to the curriculum?


Learning self defence is never a bad thing but doing it mandatory because armed guards and metal detectors are not enough anymore?
Maybe shooting lessons too?
You people need to ask yourself what's wrong and figure out how to climb down the tree and not the opposite.
Just my thoughts and this....

[Wolferz]

There's no easy answer to the random act of violence. Even if we spent millions of dollars on preventive measures, there would still be the occasional determined miscreant that would find a way to circumvent the safeguards. I agree that a child's life is precious and priceless but, I see no reason to instill fear in them with draconian safety measures that view each of them as a potential murderer.
We're all mortal with a finite amount of time to tread this planet. Enjoy each day as if it were your last but, try not to be stupid about it by inviting calamity. Teach your children to Live, Laugh and Love. Not Cower, Tremble and Shake. I think that philosophy will go further than any bank of metal detectors or armies of security guards that will bankrupt our already financially strained educational systems.:know:

[MH]

I agree to that but...
maybe the problem is opposite to what you think...
Maybe you have become a country when it is every one for himself.
Some one walks your lawn you shoot him...he should know better right?
Steals your car ... same thing.
Pisses you off ...why not shoot him or stab him and so on.

[Wolferz]

I agree to that but...
maybe the problem is opposite to what you think...
Maybe you have become a country when it is every one for himself.
Some one walks your lawn you shoot him...he should know better right?
Steals your car ... same thing.
Pisses you off ...why not shoot him or stab him and so on.

:haha: You paint us all with a very broad brush. No? It's not that apocalyptic yet. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

[MH]

:haha: You paint us all with a very broad brush. No? It's not that apocalyptic yet. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

I know it is not...no worry
USA is great and diverse country
Yet some marginal cases involving people with issues and lack of common sense may point to some trends.

[Wolferz]

I know it is not...no worry
USA is great and diverse country
Yet some marginal cases involving people with issues and lack of common sense may point to some trends.

Yes, lack of adequate mental health care is the mitigating factor I think.:hmmm:
We need to get the inmates out of the administrative offices.:yep:

[Oberon]

Mental health care is communism! :nope:

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[Platapus]

I agree to that but...
maybe the problem is opposite to what you think...
Maybe you have become a country when it is every one for himself.
Some one walks your lawn you shoot him...he should know better right?
Steals your car ... same thing.
Pisses you off ...why not shoot him or stab him and so on.

Just make sure that the only witness is dead and than claim that you thought he was pointing a gun at you. Seems to be the way things work evidently. :nope:

[TarJak]

Mental health care is communism! :nope:



Only if the gubmint is paying for it. Make the loonies pay for their own care. :O:

[Father Goose]

My generation went through all of that and we didn't have these numerous mass attacks. I think the difference is the entitled mindset. Kids today aren't taught that life is tough, they're taught they're all winners.

Add to that a climate of violence and social media. In my day you had shoot em up shows, but there was always a clear line between right and wrong, good and bad..

Excellent observation. :up: