Keep safe everybody

[Cybermat47]

Ok, as we all know, the Russian Federation is currently taking military action against the Ukraine.

I don't want to cause unnecessary panic, but as we all know there is the very real possibility that the situation could escalate into a war between Russia and the EU/NATO.

There is also the possibility that this could result in a global exchange of nuclear warheads.

Although I'm only 14 years old, and have much to learn about the world, I know that in a nuclear war, there can be no winners. Everybody loses. The lucky ones die from the outset. In the weeks after a nuclear war, the land dries up, the sun will not be seen for 10 years as nuclear winter blankets the world, and life simply stops.

I just want to wish good luck to everyone here, no matter what country you're from, no matter which side you've taken. Please, everybody, stay safe.

And let's hope that I'm just being overly paranoid.

I'm also watching Threads right now. That's sure to help.

I'm copying this post to most, if not all, the forums I participate in.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Russia hasnt done anything yet. Right now its just a bunch of chest puffing.

[Admiral Halsey]

All I can say is this. If nukes do start flying don't run around in panic. Instead try and spend as much time as possible with those you love and care for.

[Wolferz]

Ok, as we all know, the Russian Federation is currently taking military action against the Ukraine.

I don't want to cause unnecessary panic, but as we all know there is the very real possibility that the situation could escalate into a war between Russia and the EU/NATO.

There is also the possibility that this could result in a global exchange of nuclear warheads.

Although I'm only 14 years old, and have much to learn about the world, I know that in a nuclear war, there can be no winners. Everybody loses. The lucky ones die from the outset. In the weeks after a nuclear war, the land dries up, the sun will not be seen for 10 years as nuclear winter blankets the world, and life simply stops.

I just want to wish good luck to everyone here, no matter what country you're from, no matter which side you've taken. Please, everybody, stay safe.

And let's hope that I'm just being overly paranoid.

I'm also watching Threads right now. That's sure to help.

I wouldn't read too much into it. I've been watching this same dance since I was a young lad. Most of it is BS and bravado. All designed to sell ads in media of all stripes and sew fear in the populous. If you're close enough to a target you'll get burned into a wall as shadow art but, you won't suffer.
The leaders of the Super Powers all know that a thermonuclear war will have no winners what so ever. When you see armies massing in the valley of Armageddon, then you should start worrying.

[Oberon]

There's not actually been any shooting, well, except up in the air as a warning, and most of that was from 'pro-Russian milita'. There's not that much in the way of Russian equipment in the Crimea, especially not compared to what they could send. It's mainly still what was originally there, perhaps some more APCs and infantry than before, but otherwise still the same.
The US has sent a warship through the Bosporus, so I don't know what they're up to, hopefully they will just sit back and watch rather than try to do something daft like trying to run the Russian blockade.

In regards to a war between Russia and NATO, not likely, not over the Ukraine, the Baltic states maybe, but not Ukraine. So no need to worry about a thermonuclear exchange just yet. :03:

[fireftr18]

Those in charge know too well what the real outcome will be with a full nuclear exchange. They don't want a war between US and Russia. Something will be done to resolve the issue. The same thing a few months ago when North Korea was saber rattling toward South Korea.

[Eisenwurst]

I'm with you Cybermat. I don't think it will come to ww3, but I am damned scared. My dad was Ukrainian and he lived through a revolution, a famine, and 2 invasions.

The Ukraine is a sovereign state with borders and should be left alone to sort things out. They've only been independent for about 20 years and are prey to all sorts of outside influences, some good some bad. I feel for them.

Mr Putin as a former intelligence officer undoubtedly speaks perfect English, and who knows may even visit this forum. If he does I'd like him to reflect deeply on the story of Croesus and the Delphic Oracle.

You're a good bloke Cybermat and good luck for the future.

[gordonmull]

Nice to see a 14 year old actually taking part in the world. Good on you man. Honestly, I really don't mean that in a patronising way. Too many people your age don't give a stuff.

The thing about wars is that annihilating a people doesn't achieve much. Wars are usually fought over resources. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that usually, despite the rhetoric used by politicians to whip the masses up into a suitable level hatred of the people that the politicians are asking them to fight, wars are predominantly about securing profitable territory, or defending it against aggressors. If you've nuked that territory, you can't occupy it. Russia sees an opportunity to win Ukraine back. Why would it nuke the former granary of the USSR? In that situation neither would win.

[krashkart]

Don't let your fears take control of you, Cybermat. The world's been through much worse. :03:

[Red October1984]

Russia hasnt done anything yet. Right now its just a bunch of chest puffing.

I read today that they successfully test fired an ICBM... :hmmm:

Don't let your fears take control of you, Cybermat. The world's been through much worse. :03:

This is true. Fear is a liar.

At the same time, it's a good idea to stay informed and prepared in case something DOES happen. I really don't see a WW3 starting...but how many times in fiction has this exact scenario or something very very similar happened?

Yeah that's fiction...but wars have started over things like this.

I don't have much of an opinion yet of what's going on. I'm waiting to see how this plays out over the next month.

[krashkart]

I don't have much of an opinion yet of what's going on. I'm waiting to see how this plays out over the next month.

I'm not precisely on my seat's edge waiting to see what happens, either.

[Betonov]

I'd be more affraid of the mobs of hyped up sheeple than the actual crisis.
Luckily our nation is hard to get hyped about anything but alcohol.

[Jimbuna]

I reckon the world is quite safe for the moment...but just in case...

http://www.leconcombre.com/gifgallery/gifgalery/image/pirate1.gif

[Nippelspanner]

I read today that they successfully test fired an ICBM... :hmmm:
This is true. Fear is a liar.
You never cease to amaze me...

Anyways, it was most likely not the first time they tested some missile.

@Cybermat
Keep your cool, nothing is going to happen. Neither side could nor would afford a hot conflict, it's all just political arm wrestling to buy time and see how things develop. For what would either side risk the end of the world... the Crimean? Not going to happen...

On the other hand, it is sad to see that cold war never ended. Is anyone naive enough to believe that? We still all play the arms race, threaten each other and "prepare".

I hate mankind. Really.

[Skybird]

Ok, as we all know, the Russian Federation is currently taking military action against the Ukraine.

I don't want to cause unnecessary panic, but as we all know there is the very real possibility that the situation could escalate into a war between Russia and the EU/NATO.

There is also the possibility that this could result in a global exchange of nuclear warheads.

Although I'm only 14 years old, and have much to learn about the world, I know that in a nuclear war, there can be no winners. Everybody loses. The lucky ones die from the outset. In the weeks after a nuclear war, the land dries up, the sun will not be seen for 10 years as nuclear winter blankets the world, and life simply stops.

I just want to wish good luck to everyone here, no matter what country you're from, no matter which side you've taken. Please, everybody, stay safe.

And let's hope that I'm just being overly paranoid.

I'm also watching Threads right now. That's sure to help.

I'm copying this post to most, if not all, the forums I participate in.
One unknown day you will not be here anymore. But the Crimean crisis now will have nothing to do with that outcome. ;) Promised. So relax, lean back, and do what is your natural right at this age of yours: enjoy life, play a good game, and hang around with your buddies talking about girls. :salute:

[Tango589]

I, for one, am now wearing my tin foil hat, lead lined underpants and asbestos socks, whilst hiding under the bed with a weeks' supply of vodka until the whole thing goes away. Damn, must dash -another toilet break, and these lead undies are hard to get off.

[Jimbuna]

LOL :)

[Armistead]

Many of us here grew up having nuclear attack drills in school. The bell would go off, we would get under our desk and told not to look at the blast.... Lot of fear in the 60's and 70's.

I wouldn't worry so much now, we have leaders with much more sense...don't we?

[Wolferz]

Many of us here grew up having nuclear attack drills in school. The bell would go off, we would get under our desk and told not to look at the blast.... Lot of fear in the 60's and 70's.

I wouldn't worry so much now, we have leaders with much more sense...don't we?

The old Cuban missile crisis. Russia was a player in that one too.
Fond memories.:haha:

I guess we do have leaders with more sense these days. They've been digging the White House bunker a little deeper.:huh:

[Dread Knot]

What's ironic is that two decades after the end of the Cold War, all the old 1950s and 60s atomic civil defense infrastructure in the US has pretty much gone to seed. The air raid sirens where I live are either rusting in place or have been removed, and the air raid shelters in most local buildings are either sealed off or are used for storage. Most of the fallout shelters signs have been yanked too.

So, if the ICBMs come, I'll be standing in the middle of the street to get it over with as quickly as possible. But, that's what I probably would have done thirty years ago too. :D Maybe as a nod the modern era, I'll quickly tweet #deadnow.

[Tribesman]

Don't Panic.

[Ducimus]

I would imagine that for people who weren't around during the cold war, things must look awfully scary.

@Cybermat47,
While its great to keep up with world events, and I would encourage you to continue to do so; I would also temper that with this:

Don't worry about things you can do nothing about.

Seriously, just don't. Things like this, are what they are, and will be what they will be. There's nothing you or I can do about it outside of visiting a political voting booth (for whatever good that does :shifty: ) or giving your politicians an earful.

The way i see it, all the news reports? It's just "blah blah blah blah". Give me the bottom line, and we'll go from there, because until we know how it will pan it, there really is nothing for us common folk to do. It's ALL in the hands of our talking heads and elected windbags. Until then, I ain't gonna worry until it's time to worry, and not before. It's just wasted energy.

[Aktungbby]

Many of us here grew up having nuclear attack drills in school. The bell would go off, we would get under our desk and told not to look at the blast.... Lot of fear in the 60's and 70's.

I wouldn't worry so much now, we have leaders with much more sense...don't we?

Actually, I've sent a message to the Kremlin inviting Putin to land at the old Russian trading post at Ft Ross (formerly Ft. Rossiia or the Russian Trade Company) on the Mendecino Coast as the State of California doesn't function much better than Ukraine's; Mendocino is the finest Sinsimilla-Cannabis growing region on earth ($$$) and there are quite a few Russian speakers who also need protection! They want to divide CA into six states anyway so ol' Putin might as well get in on the action and reclaim some of his Pre-Seward's folly (the purchase of Alaska) patrimony! All hail the 'autonomous' Republic of Crimea!:har:http://www.fortrossstatepark.org/img/frontfort.jpg

[Jimbuna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6wok7g7do

http://s15.postimg.org/73t7bbrjv/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[Skybird]

What's ironic is that two decades after the end of the Cold War, all the old 1950s and 60s atomic civil defense infrastructure in the US has pretty much gone to seed. The air raid sirens where I live are either rusting in place or have been removed, and the air raid shelters in most local buildings are either sealed off or are used for storage. Most of the fallout shelters signs have been yanked too.

So, if the ICBMs come, I'll be standing in the middle of the street to get it over with as quickly as possible. But, that's what I probably would have done thirty years ago too. :D Maybe as a nod the modern era, I'll quickly tweet #deadnow.

I would not want me or my loved ones surviving a major nuclear exchange anyway, tbh. Living close to a primary target, is quite attractive, since the fallout from a major exchange would wander around the whole globe and go into the food chain anyway. I am not eager to live through that misery of radiation disease and all that mess, just to die a miserable death at the end.

[Dread Knot]

I would not want me or my loved ones surviving a major nuclear exchange anyway, tbh. Living close to a primary target, is quite attractive, since the fallout from a major exchange would wander around the whole globe and go into the food chain anyway. I am not eager to live through that misery of radiation disease and all that mess, just to die a miserable death at the end.

I do sometimes wonder if that's a big part of what has kept the nukes sitting in their silos all these decades. The elites and the powerful might get a nicer hole in the ground (with ample warning) But it's still just a hole in the ground. That's a common dominator they're not used to living with.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Not going to happen!

But I may watch Threads tonight and buy a one way ticket to Sheffield.

[Aktungbby]

Just to be on the safe side in my '60's shelter under the reinforced patio, I'm stocking up on this ...along with my Spam and Hamm's:woot:http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303942404579361111375345976?mg=ren o64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000 1424052702303942404579361111375345976.html (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303942404579361111375345976?mg=ren o64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000 1424052702303942404579361111375345976.html) A party animal to the bitter end!:03: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-BI014_0131af_G_20140131134844.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Not going to happen!

But I may watch Threads tonight and buy a one way ticket to Sheffield.

A great show for such a low budget :cool:

[Wolferz]

I do sometimes wonder if that's a big part of what has kept the nukes sitting in their silos all these decades. The elites and the powerful might get a nicer hole in the ground (with ample warning) But it's still just a hole in the ground. That's a common dominator they're not used to living with.

The Russians drive their arsenal around on trucks, do they not?:huh:
We sail ours around on Nuclear Subs.:up:

[Oberon]

The Russians drive their arsenal around on trucks, do they not?:huh:
We sail ours around on Nuclear Subs.:up:

Errr...

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/delta/images/delta1.jpg

What's this then?

Or this:

http://static.navaltoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Navy-Commissions-SSBN-Yury-Dolgoruky.jpg

And if you've missed this...you must be blind:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw2ikwK3AL1r3tnqi.jpg

[Wolferz]

LOL:haha: Yeah, they do too. We don't haul ours around on trucks. We prefer B-52's and Stealth bombers.:03:

[STEED]

Better start making the Anderson Shelter. :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Don't underestimate the ability to hide a truck mounted ICBM, Russia is a big place and satellites can't monitor everything. :03:

[Oberon]

Better start making the Anderson Shelter. :hmmm:

I wouldn't bother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb7EO1e62IQ

Besides, everyone knows that all you need to survive a nuclear war is a door propped up against a wall, covered in cushions. :yep:

http://www.atomica.co.uk/logo.gif

[STEED]

Russia is a big place and satellites can't monitor everything. :03:

Those bastards!!!

No wonder I could not find Pizza Hut.

[Jimbuna]

The Russians drive their arsenal around on trucks, do they not?:huh:
We sail ours around on Nuclear Subs.:up:

I believe the Russians still do both.

[mapuc]

Dear Cybermat47

I do understand your concern about the things that happens in Ukraine and Crimea. I would however tell you to just relax. I guess you know some people who's old enough to remember the Cuban crisis and I'm sure they will tell you, that this Ukrainian crisis isn't even near the Cuban crisis.

Should this Ukrainian crisis develop out of control, I say the same as some one else wrote, stay with your love ones.

Markus

[Wolferz]

Don't underestimate the ability to hide a truck mounted ICBM, Russia is a big place and satellites can't monitor everything. :03:
Can it be hidden when prepping the bird to fly?

It doesn't really matter anyhow. If they start pushing launch buttons, nearly all of us will be dead, dead, deadski.:dead: Even people in remote areas will soon feel the effects of fallout and nuclear winter. Planet Earth will be a fried cinder for centuries to come. It would be an extinction level event. The astronauts on the ISS would survive a little while longer than the rest of us. Until their supplies of food and water ran out.:dead: Might as well step outside and push off toward the atmo.

[Oberon]

Can it be hidden when prepping the bird to fly?

Nope, but if you haven't found it by then, then it's too late.

[mapuc]

Can it be hidden when prepping the bird to fly?

It doesn't really matter anyhow. If they start pushing launch buttons, nearly all of us will be dead, dead, deadski.:dead: Even people in remote areas will soon feel the effects of fallout and nuclear winter. Planet Earth will be a fried cinder for centuries to come. It would be an extinction level event. The astronauts on the ISS would survive a little while longer than the rest of us. Until their supplies of food and water ran out.:dead: Might as well step outside and push off toward the atmo.

You know, when I read your answer, it made me remember a documentary about the life under and after a nuclear Holocaust. I do remember it was send in the end of the 80'ies, when there was so much discussion and demonstration regarding the placement of new type of atomic missile in Europe.

I do remember saying to my friend when we had seen this documentary. Should this ever happen I'm taking a trip to Copenhagen central, so I'm sure to be one of those who goes first and not the rest that dies from a long time of pain and other severe things

Markus

[Admiral Halsey]

All I can say is this. If nukes do start flying don't run around in panic. Instead try and spend as much time as possible with those you love and care for.

Just wanting to reiterate my stance on the whole thing.

[Cybermat47]

You never cease to amaze me...


What do you mean? That was a pretty good post he made.

Anyhow, thanks for helping me out, guys. It's just a bit jarring the first time you truly realise 'oh crap, somebody could start a nuclear war'.

[Oberon]

What do you mean? That was a pretty good post he made.

Anyhow, thanks for helping me out, guys. It's just a bit jarring the first time you truly realise 'oh crap, somebody could start a nuclear war'.

I think he meant it in the good way. :yep: It was a good post indeed.

I know that feeling though, I must admit the first time I was fully aware of it was when Russian forces rolled through Serbia and into Kosovo to set up around Pristina airport, and my spidey sense weren't far off because World War III nearly did happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Pristina_airport :haha: However, as a kid in the 1980s I remained blissfully unaware, being only vaguely aware of the disaster at Chernobyl (I remember seeing news footage of people in Wales pouring milk down the drain and thinking it rather odd) and West and East Germany was a normal thing (I still have a toy around somewhere with 'Made in West Germany' on it), the only time I really noticed the Cold War was when the Berlin wall came down in '89, and whilst I had no idea what it was all about, it was clear through the news coverage and peoples expressions that it was an important thing.

Still, even if anything did kick off, which is unlikely, you're in a pretty safe area, Russia has no beef with Oz, although in the New World Order (TM) post-bomb, you'd probably become a Chinese outpost unless the US takes out China on its way down in which case you'd probably get some buckets from the Chinese, but given the size of Australia it'd probably only be the major cities that get hit, the outlying areas would escape relatively unscatched, and since you're in the Southern hemisphere you wouldn't need to worry so much about the chaos up North which would probably have a few cloudy nights from all the dust and debris kicked up. Australia and South America would probably be the leaders of any relief effort that came across the equator.

It takes a lot to kill off a planet, and an exchange would put us back about 300 years, but it wouldn't kill the human civilization off.

An asteroid on the other hand.... :dead:

[Penguin]

Don't Panic.

:agree: this planet is mostly harmless.

[Tribesman]

LOL:haha: Yeah, they do too. We don't haul ours around on trucks. We prefer B-52's and Stealth bombers.:03:
That is because saint Ronnie got rid of all yours in exchange for getting rid of some of the Russian ones.

[Catfish]

... Still, even if anything did kick off, which is unlikely, you're in a pretty safe area, Russia has no beef with Oz, although in the New World Order (TM) post-bomb, you'd probably become a Chinese outpost unless the US takes out China on its way down in which case you'd probably get some buckets from the Chinese, but given the size of Australia it'd probably only be the major cities that get hit, the outlying areas would escape relatively unscatched, and since you're in the Southern hemisphere you wouldn't need to worry so much about the chaos up North which would probably have a few cloudy nights from all the dust and debris kicked up. ....


For the first part : A german guy decided to leave Germany, in the late 1930ies, becaus he felt a war in Europe was imminent.
He decided to move to a forlorn and godforsaken isolated island somewhere on the edge of the world, where any war would surely miss him.

He went to the Salomones. The island had the name "Guadalcanal".


Regarding the second part of being safe in the southern part of the world (Australia) after a nuclear war .. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_OJBBaF48

:hmm2:

[Jimbuna]

Well tbh I've felt a lot more at risk when going into a bar fight or confronting an armed villain....just saying.

The reality of a real life experience is a little different when you've 'physically' lived it.

[em2nought]

Dear comrade Putin, if nukes do fly please target them all on the District of Columbia. We the people thank you. :D

[Platapus]

In these situations, there are many things that *could* happen. Unless you are working the issue, don't fret about what could happen.

[Oberon]

Regarding the second part of being safe in the southern part of the world (Australia) after a nuclear war .. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_OJBBaF48

:hmm2:


Nope, doesn't work that way. :03: What would get down to Oz would be tens of thousands of times less virulent than the northern hemisphere. The biggest problem in the southern hemisphere would be the possibility of a slight global cooling over a period of 3-5 years.

[Rockstar]

http://kara.allthingsd.com/files/2008/04/11.jpg

Be like Bert the Turtle when danger is near and remember to 'Duck and Cover" boys and girls. And don't forget to watch Bert's movie 'Duck and Cover' on YouTube.

http://twotonbaker.com/2ton/music/images/coral-83673-bertposter.jpg

Oooooo look at the pretty colors.

http://christophersmark.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/nuclear-mushroom-cloud-5.jpg





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[Wolferz]

Let's pick mushrooms. Should be good on a burger or steak:doh:.