View Full Version : Iran sending warships to US maritime borders
Armistead
02-09-14, 12:38 PM
Let the fun begin.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/08/world/meast/iran-navy/
Catfish
02-09-14, 01:25 PM
The US being theatened by the "iranian Navy", this is so absolutely ridiculous. Did Cheney say that or did that bright idea really spring from those iranian masterminds?
Even if Iran feels threatened by this (US bases around Iran, without drone bases) ..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/us-bases-middle-east_zpsae8c0ad0.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/us-bases-middle-east_zpsae8c0ad0.jpg.html)
.. do you really think the Iran will or can do anything about it.
"We feel threatened and will send the "Navy"" ?
Cheney, as the CEO of the Halliburton oil Company, sure would like to get to iranian oil reserves and frankly - i do not know why the US even bothers to attack Iran, instead of now trying to make it a scapegoat first. Apparently the US gives a sh!t of what the world thinks about them, like NSA, like F the EU.
Iran has not attacked another nation in well over 200 years; something that cannot be said about .. hmm .. other countries :hmm2:
Platapus
02-09-14, 01:38 PM
Are the Iranian ships in International Waters? If so, this is a non story
Jimbuna
02-09-14, 01:52 PM
First interception.
http://s27.postimg.org/e9e6rva9f/down.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
u crank
02-09-14, 01:57 PM
^^^
:rotfl2:
Stealhead
02-09-14, 02:33 PM
Are the Iranian ships in International Waters? If so, this is a non story
Exactly. Nothing to see here folks.
@Catfish Dick Cheney is not the CEO of Halliburton he has not been the CEO for over a decade.Halliburton is not an oil company.They build and in some cases maintain oil rigs,pipe lines stuff like that oil companies pay for the services that Halliburton provides.Not saying that I agree with everything they do or have done.
Bit misleading really. It's not so much as Iran IS sending warships to the US maritime border as it is that Iran has said it WILL send warships...which means it probably won't and if it does it'll be two frigates on a trip to Cuba and Venezuela.
Like Platipus says, bit of a non-story. It's not as if any of Irans warships could do much in US waters other than invite a few dozen Tomahawk and Harpoons on their heads.
Washington (CNN) -- A senior Iranian naval official says Iran is sending warships toward U.S. maritime borders to send a message, a move a U.S. defense official characterized as an announcement, not a deploymentExactly. Nothing to see here folks. Funny pictures for the start...:yeah:
Obviously just a tizing on iranian side so why not have fun.
:o
Can't see any axe grinding.
Iran moving naval ships close to US territorial waters? Damn nice of them to bring our targets closer to us... :D
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CaptainMattJ.
02-09-14, 05:20 PM
They might as well serve themselves up on a platter. I wonder if Iran and North Korea are competing to see who can put up more of a show for us.
Some one mentioned the American bases 'round Middle east. I see that you take those for granted. I wouldn't
Due to the progress of these radical Islam that wins more and more ground in the area I guess that in about 20-30 years from now, USA will maybe have 1-4 bases left.
Back to Iranian vessel. It's nothing more than a show-off(that what they try to do)
Ohh remembering something an old Iranian friends ones told me. When thinking on that, I think they are near USA just to get some of the good stuff from the evil country.
Markus
Buddahaid
02-09-14, 05:49 PM
Ignore them a watch the egos implode....
swamprat69er
02-09-14, 07:51 PM
I believe Halliburtons' full name is Halliburton Energy Services.
Stealhead
02-09-14, 08:17 PM
I believe Halliburtons' full name is Halliburton Energy Services.
You can just look up there own description on the Halliburton website.The name is just Halliburton.you can look up any company on NYSE sight if you want to know its full name. Anyway my point was that Halliburton is not an oil company an oil company would be ExxonMobil.
http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/about-us/corporate-profile/default.page?node-id=hgeyxt5p
Net profits of Halliburton revenue in 2011 was 24.8 billion ExxonMobil an actual oil/energy company had a net revenue of $453.123 billion in 2012.
Not sure if you are in agreement with Catfish or myself as to what Halliburton is.
Anyway to some extent this is off topic at least to me.Iran has oil to sell but and it sells it in many nations so Iranian oil companies are just as guilty of being evil bad dudes or what ever.
Also had Iran not caused the problems it had in the Gulf for the past 30 years and have a stance that they'd to the same again maybe the US Navy would not be in the Gulf but what do I know.
swamprat69er
02-09-14, 08:21 PM
Stealhead, I'm with you 100%.
I used to work for Halliburton.
Stealhead
02-09-14, 11:35 PM
At one point I was going to take a job with them it would have been overseas though and I had already spent the better part of a decade in Germany with a few deployments to exotic and advantageous locations.
I do have friends that do rig work for them though.
Just never bought into conspiracy theories myself not my thing really.Not to say that things are rosy perfect in this world but it is what it is.
The whole "perto dollar" thing gets on my nerves like control of resources is something new or even a trait unique to humans no way to change it.
Someone always is in control and someone will always want to be in control.
Not a thing to me I'll do what I must to survive you can count on that in a modern world the illusion is that you are safe but you are only 10 seconds away from the 18th century and a few days away from fighting to the death for just the basic necessities.
Aktungbby
02-09-14, 11:53 PM
:sign_yeah::agree:
Jimbuna
02-10-14, 06:24 AM
Ignore them a watch the egos implode....
Probably competing with NK on the worlds media stage to see who will win 'The Biggest Laughing Stock' award.
swamprat69er
02-10-14, 07:36 AM
I think Iran is very wrong in what they are doing overseas and in the Atlantic. But if they do want to rattle their sabers, what better country to rattle them at than the U.S. of A? If they want to pick a fight, I am pretty quite sure the US will give them one.
I was very close to being talked into going to work on the Ocean Ranger back in the day by one of my buds at Halliburton. I am sure glad I stuck to my guns and said 'no'.
Jimbuna
02-10-14, 08:07 AM
I've just Googled that (84 lost and no survivors) how tragic :nope:
u crank
02-10-14, 08:19 AM
I was very close to being talked into going to work on the Ocean Ranger back in the day by one of my buds at Halliburton. I am sure glad I stuck to my guns and said 'no'.
I've just Googled that (84 lost and no survivors) how tragic :nope:
I remember that quite well. Close to home here. Glad you dodged that bullet swamprat. :yep:
swamprat69er
02-10-14, 08:30 AM
I remember that quite well. Close to home here. Glad you dodged that bullet swamprat. :yep:
Me too.
Stealhead
02-10-14, 04:15 PM
I think Iran is very wrong in what they are doing overseas and in the Atlantic. But if they do want to rattle their sabers, what better country to rattle them at than the U.S. of A? If they want to pick a fight, I am pretty quite sure the US will give them one.
I was very close to being talked into going to work on the Ocean Ranger back in the day by one of my buds at Halliburton. I am sure glad I stuck to my guns and said 'no'.
Personally I think the whole Iran,Israel,USA thing is all saber rattling to satisfy certain folks in each nation.Iran relies very heavily on the oil that it sells to Europe and Japan if they loose that income their economy pretty much crumbles.So they gain nothing by causing too much trouble.I think the whole bomb thing is just a way to have some clout that gives them bargaining power they know that Israel would never allow it to be completed.
It is all saber rattling.
The USA has the military industrial complex they do not need a war just the idea of one is enough to sell.
Red October1984
02-10-14, 05:28 PM
Iran trying to threaten us?
I triple dog dare you. :up:
swamprat69er
02-10-14, 05:34 PM
Like Armistead said, 'let the fun begin.'
Iran?
http://lisaburks.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83454de4669e20120a5016db0970b-pi
"Go away, kid, ya bother me"....
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Stealhead
02-10-14, 08:04 PM
Thing is Iran can cause trouble they have in the past just look up Operation Earnest Will,Operation Praying Mantis and Operation Prime Chance.
Iran can do nothing to really challenge the US military but they can effect the flow of traffic in the Persian Gulf.what do you think happens when Western Europe and Japan suddenly loose a sizable portion of their fuel supply?
To underestimate any opponent is unwise that does not mean sit in fear or over react.
Sometimes the scrawny guy will bust your teeth out.
Come on guys, the American navy and the military as such need some live practice and what couldn't be more perfect than some Iranian vessel.
Markus
The real problem with dealing with any Iranian "agression" is the US will likely be villified by the world community as "bullies". It's much like having a chihuahua clamp onto your ankle: it's not leathal, but it is annoying and iff you kick it away, PETA will jump all over you. Doesn't matter if the little monster deserved the boot, it's just the perception you've "unfairly" dealt with the nuisance...
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Betonov
02-11-14, 01:25 PM
The real problem with dealing with any Iranian "agression" is the US will likely be villified by the world community as "bullies". It's much like having a chihuahua clamp onto your ankle: it's not leathal, but it is annoying and iff you kick it away, PETA will jump all over you. Doesn't matter if the little monster deserved the boot, it's just the perception you've "unfairly" dealt with the nuisance...
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Teheran is counting on that.
Don't take the bait
Like Oberon says this is a non issue. Doesn't mean anything except to those in Iran who follow the hardliners. They said the same thing before, and nothing happened. Ranks right down there with the news they sent out last year, when they claimed they put a monkey in space, when they claimed they have made a cruise missle that can't be detected by radar, the new super sonic stealth jet fighter they displayed for all the world to see, just part of the nonsense they like to go on about every once in a while, makes them feel real important,lol
Aktungbby
02-11-14, 04:09 PM
Iran trying to threaten us?
I triple dog dare you. :up:
Iran? "Go away, kid, ya bother me"....
Teheran is counting on that. Don't take the bait
Lest, like Isandlwana and Little Big Horn, we underestimate the seemingly inferior enemy, I think were already down one. A principle rule of Islamic warfare is always 'Eye for eye' http://www.spiritoftruth.org/missile.html (http://www.spiritoftruth.org/missile.html) Naturally all variations of this version are surmise but it's also clear to even a dummy like me that the government version is an absolute joke, political cover-up and FBI falsehood. The USS Vincennes shot down the Iran Air 2655 and the price has been paid at Long Island, TWA 800, and possibly at Lockerbie as well. After 9/11, I don't like falling for the unthinkable...twice. The 'death of a thousand cuts' tactic of islam is real doable with a Stinger, now in the hands of mujahidin; A true fire and forget...They fire-we forget!
Jimbuna
02-11-14, 04:30 PM
Like Oberon says this is a non issue. Doesn't mean anything except to those in Iran who follow the hardliners. They said the same thing before, and nothing happened. Ranks right down there with the news they sent out last year, when they claimed they put a monkey in space, when they claimed they have made a cruise missle that can't be detected by radar, the new super sonic stealth jet fighter they displayed for all the world to see, just part of the nonsense they like to go on about every once in a while, makes them feel real important,lol
Agreed :yep:
Iran trying to threaten us?
I triple dog dare you. :up:
Of course not.
They just want to get a bit close to your eastern coast, so to deliver a message to your nation. Iran sent those ships in the Atlantic ocean following actions from your own military forces in the Persian gulf. Don't forget your 5th fleet is anchored off Bahrain, that basically is a threat to Iran, since this country considers the Persian gulf as its backyard (is that inappropriate, all in all ?).
The US navy drill in the Persian gulf was kind of a reply to Iran after the country threatened to close the strait of Hormuz if the iranian interests were affected, and/or if Israel were to hit any iranian nuclear site.
In fact, to Iran, making arrangements doesn't mean the country is going to lower its guard. For Tehran, coming to agreements with the West means a cessation of hostilities, and in no way an alliance, since Iranians are familiar with US imperialism more than any other people. :88)
Terragon
02-11-14, 09:41 PM
Kind of a stupid idea. Two groups of enemy ships, in close proximity (you know that the US Navy will crowd them and breath down their necks), and you invite 'accidents'. Not only do you have ships staring at each others' throats, you have the close proximity of naval aircraft.
Think Lexington. Think the Cuban Missile Crisis.
VERY stupid idea.
Sailor Steve
02-11-14, 09:49 PM
(you know that the US Navy will crowd them and breath down their necks)
Probably. I think the better idea would be to - as long as they stay in international waters - to just ignore them. It's not like we don't know exactly where they are every minute of the day, and it's not like we can't do something the instant they do. On top of that, I can't think of anything more humiliating than acting like they're not even there.
Alex makes a valid point, it's not as if the US navy hasn't paraded outside Iranian waters before, so what's sauce for the goose. It's not as if Iran can do anything, as Stealhead and Aktungbby point out, Iran can hurt the US far more just outside Iranian waters than it can just outside American waters. This is just a political message for the hardliners in the Iranian government, those who are probably annoyed at some of the more conciliatory tone that the new Iranian leader has shown to the west.
Red October1984
02-12-14, 12:28 AM
Kind of a stupid idea. Two groups of enemy ships, in close proximity (you know that the US Navy will crowd them and breath down their necks), and you invite 'accidents'. Not only do you have ships staring at each others' throats, you have the close proximity of naval aircraft.
Think Lexington. Think the Cuban Missile Crisis.
VERY stupid idea.
+1
I thought Reagan basically sank their entire Navy already...I know that was a while back...and I really don't think the Iranians want a fight with us (at least not right away)
Platapus
02-12-14, 06:13 AM
Kind of a stupid idea. Two groups of enemy ships, in close proximity (you know that the US Navy will crowd them and breath down their necks), and you invite 'accidents'. Not only do you have ships staring at each others' throats, you have the close proximity of naval aircraft.
Think Lexington. Think the Cuban Missile Crisis.
VERY stupid idea.
Well as long as the American Navy does not do anything stupid like crowding ships in international waters, there should not be any problems.
In my best Captain Ramius imitation: "We get some buckaroo....."
:D
Betonov
02-12-14, 09:23 AM
I also agree with Alex on this one.
Teheran wants to provoke the US into a response and then go the usual anti-US rhetoric about the big bully that stomps on the gardens of everyone else and starts shooting as soon as someone else steps on it.
Imagine if a US warship would send a boat full of cookies to Iranian ships :)
Ahmadinejab would hang himself
Dread Knot
02-12-14, 10:13 AM
Where was all this commotion when the Nepalese Navy visited last week?
http://www.bringingbackawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/paper-boat1.jpg
Teheran wants to provoke the US into a response and then go the usual anti-US rhetoric about the big bully that stomps on the gardens of everyone else and starts shooting as soon as someone else steps on it. It is about latest change in rhetorics from teheran.
There had been too much smileys lately so that seems like a anti puke therapy for some.
Ahmadinejad went home not so long ago.
Celebrations of the islamic revolution might be a cause as well..
I don't think anyone is expecting any serious response from USA or is interested in one at this time.
It is simply dick waving for internal purposes and all the groupies.
Cookies might help here a lot...:D
Mr Quatro
02-24-14, 02:24 PM
These Iranians are up to no good ... I think this is a way to show the USN that they can float a boat in our backyard and get away with it.
I have often thought we should get out of their backyard and let them have the Persian Gulf all to themselves . I can't get anyone to agree with me of course ...
What is Bahrain called anyway the Fifth Fleet or Fleet five or something like that.
Let them have control of it and save a USN ship or two. We have long range support aircraft and missiles that can reach that far. Were just showing a red flag to them.
One Iranian submarine laying a mine that reacts to say an aircraft carrier passing through the straits would be a reason to leave.
They might even figure out how to load a diesel submarine and it's crew on a warship that visits Cuba or Venezuela offloading it to scout around undetected.
If I (an arm chair admiral) can think of it so can they.
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