View Full Version : Everything wrong with The Hunt for Red October
Cybermat47
02-02-14, 10:16 PM
This is our narrator's 2nd favourite movie of all time, and it hurt him a little to read these sins. But no movie is without sin, so we soldier on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwj1tGev0Z4
Red October1984
02-02-14, 11:30 PM
I watched that the other day.
I refuse to accept any of it.
Admiral Halsey
02-02-14, 11:39 PM
I watched that the other day.
I refuse to accept any of it.
The sins or the movie?
Red October1984
02-03-14, 12:09 AM
The sins or the movie?
Both.
The book was better.
Movie was acceptable...but didn't follow the book. (Book's ending was much better)
Betonov
02-03-14, 07:59 AM
Jack Ryan is married to Beverly Crusher :haha:
Never spotted that and I hope Piccard never will :)
Wolferz
02-03-14, 08:08 AM
Must have been some epic sins because the video stopped 45 seconds in.:dead::haha:
Gates was just looking for a paycheck No matter how small.:haha:
Who names a girl child "Gates"??. Must be a Scottish thang.
Sailor Steve
02-03-14, 10:04 AM
Um, "Gates" is her middle name; first name Cheryl.
u crank
02-03-14, 10:45 AM
I watched less than a minute and got bored or disinterested. So what. I guess you could do that with any movie. Some people must like it though. He has quite a list of Everything wrong with....
ReallyDedPoet
02-03-14, 11:01 AM
I view most movies as entertainment, so if it is not accurate then no big deal really. There are not to many movies that you could not pick apart at
the end of the day.
Aktungbby
02-03-14, 11:28 AM
Clancy wasn't crazy about the movie versions of his books. He complained that Ford was too old to play Jack Ryan, and he regretted the lack of creative control, saying: "Giving your book to Hollywood is like turning your daughter over to a pimp." Father knows best!
Wolferz
02-03-14, 01:45 PM
Um, "Gates" is her middle name; first name Cheryl.
Infatuated enough to know her full name?:up::03:
Do you claim Wesley?:haha:
Wolferz
02-03-14, 01:58 PM
We don't need to hunt for RedOctober,
He's in Missoura.:up::O:
u crank
02-03-14, 02:00 PM
We don't need to hunt for RedOctober,
He's in Missoura.:up::O:
:har:
:yep:
Sailor Steve
02-03-14, 02:04 PM
Infatuated enough to know her full name?:up::03:
Do you claim Wesley?:haha:
Not infatuated at all. The name just sounded wrong to me so I looked it up. Like Susan Alexandra "Sigourney" Weaver. Like Laura McKenzie Phillips. Like Deborah Jo Hunter Tylo. Like Lady Sarah "Lalla" Ward.
AngusJS
02-03-14, 06:27 PM
I always wondered why the Soviets didn't just deploy a towed sonar array, rather than engage in "Crazy Ivans".
Admiral Lutjens
02-03-14, 06:33 PM
I loved the movie, but the book was amazing.
Red Storm Rising is one of the all time best books, ever.
I loved the movie, but the book was amazing.
Red Storm Rising is one of the all time best books, ever.
I agree on that. Wonder if they have or have plan on making a movie based on Red Storm Rising.
Markus
Admiral Lutjens
02-03-14, 06:47 PM
I agree on that. Wonder if they have or have plan on making a movie based on Red Storm Rising.
Markus
I seriously doubt it.
And if they did, they'd probably ruin it or make it politically correct. Clooney, Brad Pitt, or Matt Damon or something would be in the lead role.
Cybermat47
02-03-14, 06:48 PM
Clooney
:o Batnippleman :o
I agree on that. Wonder if they have or have plan on making a movie based on Red Storm Rising.
Movie? No. They'd have to make a miniseries to capture it. I would love to see it made, though. Just as long as they keep it in the '80s, instead of trying to set it in the current era.
Admiral Lutjens
02-03-14, 06:56 PM
Movie? No. They'd have to make a miniseries to capture it. I would love to see it made, though. Just as long as they keep it in the '80s, instead of trying to set it in the current era.
Indeed.
War & Remembrance is my favorite miniseries ever. I could envision something like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising_(video_game) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising_(video_game))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSpBCx4Eowc
Jimbuna
02-04-14, 06:07 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising_(video_game) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising_(video_game))
Spent many a long day and night on the C-64 playing that :rock:
Like all movies released on the big screen its all about getting bums on seats and the more the better the profit. Dose not matter how good or awful it is as long as they get you to see it thats all that matters them.
Funny this thread came up as two nights ago I was watching on the video.
Oh heck here we go...whats a video STEED?
This is a video machine..
http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/images/panasonic-dmrbr630v.jpg
And this is a video tape that went inside it to watch..
http://www.ontodvd.com/images/Videotape_to_dvd.jpg
OK now that is sorted out back to the topic. I've never read the book but in most cases the transfer from book to film has always been sliced and diced so I look upon the film version as entertainment only, not bad to kill a few hours of boredom.
ETR3(SS)
02-04-14, 12:00 PM
When the narrator referred to a torpedo as a missile I immediately had to stop. All it became then was a rant about what somebody else thought were movie "sins." ****in nubs...
soopaman2
02-04-14, 12:35 PM
As a huge Tom Clancy fan, I have to ask the OP, or anybody. Was the book flawed as well?
I never read this particular book.
I know Hollywood can ruin movies based on books, Stephen King hates what Kubrick did with The Shining.
Just wondering. I hate to see one of my favorite storytellers bashed.
Red October1984
02-04-14, 12:39 PM
As a huge Tom Clancy fan, I have to ask the OP, or anybody. Was the book flawed as well?
I never read this particular book.
WAIT!
STOP!
PUT THE BUS IN REVERSE!
BACK UP!
NO. :-?
Read the book. :O: I can't believe you haven't by now.
soopaman2
02-04-14, 12:48 PM
WAIT!
STOP!
PUT THE BUS IN REVERSE!
BACK UP!
NO. :-?
Read the book. :O: I can't believe you haven't by now.
I know, I am a bad boy, and this is required reading for subsimmers.
I am ashamed:Kaleun_Crying:
Red October1984
02-04-14, 01:42 PM
I know, I am a bad boy, and this is required reading for subsimmers.
I am ashamed:Kaleun_Crying:
You have time to redeem yourself... :03:
Father Goose
02-04-14, 11:22 PM
When I first read the title of this thread I thought it said, "Everything wrong with Red October".
You got a break Red! :-j
Kapitan_Phillips
02-04-14, 11:39 PM
Lady Sarah "Lalla" Ward.
Ahhh Romana...
The thing that always stuck out to me what the Tu-142 attack on the RO. As I recall, the bomber-converted-ASW aircraft carried around a dozen or so light weight torpedoes. In the movie they dropped a single light torp on the RO. The Typhoons were built to be very hard to sink & I think the single light torp would have had little to no chance of sinking her. When the TU-142 found the RO, they would have dropped everything they had.
In reality, if the Russians were hunting a rouge sub, they would have flooded the Atlantic with 142's & Il-38 Mays searching for it. Had the 142 detected the RO, it would have stayed on station (fuel permitting) after dropping it's ordnance & every ASW asset in range would have been vectored there, with a decent chance of sinking her (or him, as I think the Russian ships are refereed to).
But hey, it's just a movie, one that I really enjoyed. I think it was the writer or director of Braveheart that said "Never let history get in the way of telling a good story." :up:
Platapus
02-05-14, 04:55 PM
But at the time, the RO was maneuvering through a complex set of canyons. Would dropping multiple torpedoes in such a confined space have a chance of interfering with each other?
True, but that would also limit a sub's maneuvering room. I have no real life ASW experience, but I'll give my opinion based on what I've read on ASW tactics. I'll stick to how a real world scenario of a defecting sub hunt would play out in my head.
Let's say the 142 dropped 12 light torps on a defecting Typhoon that was making his way through an underwater canyon system. Factoring in noisemakers from the Typhoon, underwater topography & Russian torpedo performance, I'll say 4 of the 12 hit the Typhoon. I don't think that would be enough to sink it, but the damage from increased flow noise & damaged internals could make it easier to detect.
As for the Typhoon, it's large size would make it easier for the active sonars on the torps to track. Going with the classic evasion tactic of noise makers, knuckles in the water & increasing speed to flank to evade torpedoes in a tight underwater canyon system would be... a tad bit reckless. :D
Again, I don't think the Typhoon would be sank in the attack, but it just may slow him down enough/easier to detect for other ASW assets to arrive & continue the attack. Of course, if there was an actual situation where a boomer was trying to defect to the US during the Cold War, the pilots would probably be told if they came back before the sub was sank, something... unfortunate would happen to their families. :o
As you can see, after seeing the movie, I had way too much time during my commutes to work to think about this. It feel good to finally get that off my chest. My wife could never sit through the whole presentation. :salute:
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