Why Mexicans immigrate to the US

[Cybermat47]

http://www.pewglobal.org/2009/09/23/most-mexicans-see-better-life-in-us-one-in-three-would-migrate/

It's an old article, but perhaps if Americans really want to keep their neighbors out, they should do drugs, destroy their economy and bribe officials.

[Jimbuna]

Subscribed to for future interruptions :nope:

[Cybermat47]

Subscribed to for future interruptions :nope:

Fair enough, considering how certain people acted last time :dead:

[Moonlight]

http://www.pewglobal.org/2009/09/23/most-mexicans-see-better-life-in-us-one-in-three-would-migrate/

It's an old article, but perhaps if Americans really want to keep their neighbors out, they should do drugs, destroy their economy and bribe officials.

Mexico is fubared as it is without the US adding to it.:stare:

Crime (81%), economic problems (75%), illegal drugs (73%) and corrupt political leaders (68%), those Mexico statistics make for some scarey reading, its no wonder someone would want out of there.


Its a tough ask but if president Calderón can get the drug cartels under control the crime and illegal drugs figures will more than likely plummet, that would be quite an incentive for mexicans to stay put wouldnt it?.

The US would need to be more active in the country though, ie more help to train the army and police personnel, just keep your troops out of there or it could blow up in to something a lot worse.:nope:

[Cybermat47]

Crime (81%), economic problems (75%), illegal drugs (73%) and corrupt political leaders (68%), those Mexico statistics make for some scarey reading, its no wonder someone would want out of there.


I wouldn't even want to vacation there, let alone live there.

[BrucePartington]

Mexico is fubared as it is without the US adding to it.:stare:

Crime (81%), economic problems (75%), illegal drugs (73%) and corrupt political leaders (68%), those Mexico statistics make for some scarey reading, its no wonder someone would want out of there.


Its a tough ask but if president Calderón can get the drug cartels under control the crime and illegal drugs figures will more than likely plummet, that would be quite an incentive for mexicans to stay put wouldnt it?.

The US would need to be more active in the country though, ie more help to train the army and police personnel, just keep your troops out of there or it could blow up in to something a lot worse.:nope:
The sooner the better.
This problem is ages old, and the newer generations are being born into it, they know no other way of life. It will become endemic, and therefore next to impossible to change.
And inevitably will spill over (which is already noticeable, I believe).

[Nippelspanner]

...if Americans really want to keep their neighbors out, they should do drugs, destroy their economy and bribe officials.Are you being sarcastic?
Cause I'd say they are already doing a very good job...

[Cybermat47]

Are you being sarcastic?
Cause I'd say they are already doing a very good job...

I was being sarcastic.
But the second part of your post worries me.

[Nippelspanner]

How so?

[Aktungbby]

for a more updated view without comment. by poster http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/10/24/mexicans-and-salvadorans-have-positive-picture-of-life-in-u-s/ data=only 2 months old and more current; viewers to draw own conclusions, if any. Pero yo creo qúe sera bueno qúe yo puedo hablar con fluéncia cuándo la Reconquísta es completa!:salute:

[Red October1984]

In my opinion, if they come legally and work for a living, more power to them.

If they run drugs, murder Americans, smuggle people illegally, ... activate the National Guard. They sure as hell aren't going anywhere anytime soon. It'll give them something to actually guard.

[Wolferz]

The drastic cure...

Saddle up our spears and head south. Annexation to give them a taste of their own medicine. Then, round them all up and deport them north.:hmmm:

I think I'll move to Cancun.:up:

[Armistead]

We have a few hundred military bases, leftovers from the cold war, we could easily shutdown and place about 50 large bases on the border with armed security post about every mile.

I feel for them, but we fought a revolution and a civil war to settle our issues, they somehow need to settle their own

[Cybermat47]

The drastic cure...

Saddle up our spears and head south. Annexation to give them a taste of their own medicine. Then, round them all up and deport them north.:hmmm:

I think I'll move to Cancun.:up:

Please, for the love of God, tell me that's a joke. You can't honestly be advocating a war with Mexico. Do you have any regard for Human life? :nope::down:

[Wolferz]

Please, for the love of God, tell me that's a joke. You can't honestly be advocating a war with Mexico. Do you have any regard for Human life? :nope::down:

War? Heaven forbid! I'm talking land rush to push them off the land that they don't seem to want to live on. Sure, they have problems there. Problems they do nothing to solve. Instead they run here and begin making demands on us to accommodate them because they're too lazy to make their home a better place to live. It's pathetic.:arrgh!:

[nikimcbee]

We could send the bad ones to one of the British Penal colonies, far, far away.:up:

[Cybermat47]

War? Heaven forbid! I'm talking land rush to push them off the land that they don't seem to want to live on. Sure, they have problems there. Problems they do nothing to solve. Instead they run here and begin making demands on us to accommodate them because they're too lazy to make their home a better place to live. It's pathetic.:arrgh!:

Well, I gave you a chance. I guess that you must really want me to report you. You'll just have to find another forum where you can talk about how stupid Mexicans are and how much you want to kill people if gun control legislation was passed.

It hasn't been nice knowing you.

[Wolferz]

Well, I gave you a chance. I guess that you must really want me to report you. You'll just have to find another forum where you can talk about how stupid Mexicans are and how much you want to kill people if gun control legislation was passed.

It hasn't been nice knowing you.

Oh? Where did I make any disparaging remark about the intelligence of Mexican people or threaten to kill them?:hmmm: Please refrain from putting your words in my mouth. Thank you very much.:arrgh!:

How's that report working out for you?

PS: I never said anything in regard to gun control legislation whatsoever. I consider true gun control to be hitting what you aim at and nothing else. Just because I've been trained in the use of deadly force doesn't mean I would use it unless the situation was dire enough to warrant it.

[Cybermat47]

Oh? Where did I make any disparaging remark about the intelligence of Mexican people or threaten to kill them?:hmmm: Please refrain from putting your words in my mouth. Thank you very much.:arrgh!:

:har: You didn't even read my post correctly. When talking about your plan to kill people, I was referring to when you said you'd place claymores in your house if people came to take your guns. And saying that Mexicans do nothing to solve any of their problems is very much saying that they're stupid, which is simply not the case.

[Jimbuna]

Cool heads everyone...when posting a thread on topics of this nature it is inevitable differing opinions and points of view will be posted.

I'm not detecting anything OTT here and long may that be the position.

[Wolferz]

Checking green cards here.:03:

LOL, Jim. Apparently our young master Cybermat is pulling things out of his wazoo and accusing me of things I did not say. Ah well, he's a young man.:yep: Hopefully the wind will keep blowing out the matches and prevent a flame war.

[TarJak]

:roll:

[Cybermat47]

:roll:

I couldn't have put it any better myself.

[Cybermat47]

We could send the bad ones to one of the British Penal colonies, far, far away.:up:

Nah, they'd probably just end up in Indonesia, or Tony Abbot would put them on leaking boats and send them to Afghanistan :doh:

[Onkel Neal]

Well, I gave you a chance. I guess that you must really want me to report you. You'll just have to find another forum where you can talk about how stupid Mexicans are and how much you want to kill people if gun control legislation was passed.

It hasn't been nice knowing you.


I don't see any reason to report Wolferz, his comments were acceptable.

But you did. So let me address this here: discussing cultures, races, ethnicity, etc and not being politically correct does not equal racism. Racism is a lazy rebuttal. If someone goes racist, it will be very evident. Saying Mexicans live in a dysfunctional society is like saying Russians drink too much or Americans have inner-city crime problems. It's a generalization that may or may not be accurate, but it isn't racism.

[Oberon]

http://fedgeno.com/pew-pew-murca.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

I find the above picture to be highly offensive.




The apostrophe represents the omitted letter, and should go at the begining of the word: 'Merica. :O:

[Dread Knot]

The apostrophe represents the omitted letter, and should go at the begining of the word: 'Merica. :O:


:rotfl2:

Of course, it's also possible that Deputy Curly Howard has a thing for tanks....think tanks.

http://uschaammedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Pew-Research-Center.jpg

But I doubt it. :D

[Wolferz]

No ragging on the dyslexic. evetS:03:

[Sailor Steve]

No ragging on the dyslexic. evetS:03:
Don't be tell me whut to do, 'Moosican! :stare:

[Cybermat47]

I don't see any reason to report Wolferz, his comments were acceptable.

But you did. So let me address this here: discussing cultures, races, ethnicity, etc and not being politically correct does not equal racism. Racism is a lazy rebuttal. If someone goes racist, it will be very evident. Saying Mexicans live in a dysfunctional society is like saying Russians drink too much or Americans have inner-city crime problems. It's a generalization that may or may not be accurate, but it isn't racism.

Ok.

Wolferz, I'm sorry. I guess I just overreacted. A lot of crap's been happening in real life for me, but that's no excuse, seeing as it wasn't your fault. I guess that some of your comments just rubbed me the wrong way. As long as your 'hatred' for Mexicans is just a sign of my growing insanity (and you defending yourself against people infringing on your 2nd amendment rights does make sense), I think we'll get along just fine.

Live long, and prosper.

[Oberon]

Think about it though, isn't Mexico some sort of American fantasy island?

I mean, the government has absolutely no control over the vast majority of the country, and whoever has the biggest gun wins. :hmmm:

[Dread Knot]

Think about it though, isn't Mexico some sort of American fantasy island?

Makes sense, given that Ricardo Montalblan was of Mexican birth.



http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DrSpyclops/FantasyIsland.jpg

[Cybermat47]

Makes sense, given that Ricardo Montalblan was of Mexican birth.

Ah, Dread Knot, my old friend, do you know the ancient Klingon proverb that tells us that revenge is a dish that is best served cold?

It is very cold... in space.

[Dread Knot]

Ah, Dread Knot, my old friend, do you know the ancient Klingon proverb that tells us that revenge is a dish that is best served cold?

It is very cold... in space.

The lesson today. Never cross a Mexi-Khan. :D

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly5v5sAwJQ1qeenqto1_500.jpg

Groaan ...I'll be shooting myself out an airlock now. :oops:

[Onkel Neal]

Think about it though, isn't Mexico some sort of American fantasy island?

I mean, the government has absolutely no control over the vast majority of the country, and whoever has the biggest gun wins. :hmmm:

Lol, funny

[Wolferz]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/MV5BMTU1NjE2OTQ2MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODc0MjYwOA_V1_ SX640_SY720_.jpg

Thanks for the back handed apology, Cybermat.:up::hmmm:

I can't eat fifty eggs.:O:

[Cybermat47]

Thanks for the back handed apology, Cybermat.:up::hmmm:

Sorry if it came across that way. It wasn't my intention :(


I can't eat fifty eggs.:O:

I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I can't even eat one egg, so don't be so hard on yourself :)

[Aktungbby]

Ah, Dread Knot, my old friend

U R 2 YOUNG 2 have any 'old friends'...graßhopper!:rotfl2:In any case, the use of the expression is sensitive to most of us in our 60's who read the obits every day: if only to see where we'll be for lunch...at a well catered funereal!!:haha: Mourners gotta eat too-- young buddy!:shucks: How's that for 'cold dining' eh?:O:

[Wolferz]

U R 2 YOUNG 2 have any 'old friends'...graßhopper!:rotfl2:In any case, the use of the expression is sensitive to most of us in our 60's who read the obits every day: if only to see where we'll be for lunch...at a well catered funereal!!:haha: Mourners gotta eat too-- young buddy!:shucks: How's that for 'cold dining' eh?:O:


Funeral eats are always cold cuts. I wonder why that is?:06:

I'm on the Mexican Radio. I'm on the Mexican whoah ohhhh Radio.

[TarJak]

I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I can't even eat one egg, so don't be so hard on yourself :)

If you've seen Cool Hand Luke you'd know what he's on about.

[Aktungbby]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/MV5BMTU1NjE2OTQ2MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODc0MjYwOA_V1_ SX640_SY720_.jpg





Whaaaat weev'e got heaaah...is failyuh ta' communicate...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o or beware the big QWERTY:har:...if evah!

[Wolferz]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/220085.jpg

Make fun of it all you want. It hides my nipple rings.:yep: But, I's strother not get into that.

[Sailor Steve]

But, I's strother not get into that.
I'm martin you down as a troublemaker.

[nikimcbee]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DrSpyclops/FantasyIsland.jpg

Leave me out of this.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm on the Mexican Radio. I'm on the Mexican whoah ohhhh Radio.

Awesome song! One of my favorites :rock:

[Cybermat47]

Leave me out of this.

You mean... you're... KHAAAAAN?

It's an honour! Please, stick ceti eel babies down my ears!

[Oberon]

You mean... you're... KHAAAAAN?

It's an honour! Please, stick ceti eel babies down my ears!

No, no I think you'll find he's Tattoo :O:

[Wolferz]

No, no I think you'll find he's Tattoo :O:

Yup.:03::O:


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/herve-1.jpg

[Oberon]

Ok, now that is definitely offensive! :haha:

[u crank]

Ok, now that is definitely offensive! :haha:

In so many ways.....:O:

[Bubblehead1980]

Well, it's a crappy country.Crime, violence, ie lack of safety, poverty, lack of opportunity etc for the average person, especially those on the low end of the economic social spectrum there, with no hope for real change in their lifetime , can't blame them for trying.However, we are full, we have our own problems so can't be put on the US the take them in and let them saddle down our programs, schools, continue to undercut labor market etc. Sad sate and feel for them, but it's not on us.Like Armistead said, we fought a revolution, and civil war to work our our major problems back then, at some point they need to rally together and fix their own problems.Persona responsibility and all.

[TarJak]

Well, it's a crappy country.Crime, violence, ie lack of safety, poverty, lack of opportunity etc for the average person, especially those on the low end of the economic social spectrum there, with no hope for real change in their lifetime , can't blame them for trying.Sounds pretty bad over there in the USA. /sarcasm

[Bubblehead1980]

[QUOTE=Bubblehead1980;2171554]Well, it's a crappy country.Crime, violence, ie lack of safety, poverty, lack of opportunity etc for the average person, especially those on the low end of the economic social spectrum there, with no hope for real change in their lifetime , can't blame them for trying./QUOTE]Sounds pretty bad over there in the USA. /sarcasm

Lol not that bad yet

[u crank]

..continue to undercut labor market etc.

Who forces American employers to hire illegal immigrants? As long as your country is willing to use this cheap labor force the problem will exist. Yes, there are other factors but this has to be the prime reason these people continue to seek a better life in the U.S. And many Americans benefit, in one way or another, from this cheap labor.

[Cybermat47]

I guess I can't complain about this thread being revived, seeing as it turned out that I'm the crazy one, not Wolferz, and that Wolferz isn't racist and he just wants to defend his home.

Who forces American employers to hire illegal immigrants? As long as your country is willing to use this cheap labor force the problem will exist. Yes, there are other factors but this has to be the prime reason these people continue to seek a better life in the U.S. And many Americans benefit, in one way or another, from this cheap labor.

Agreed.

[Oberon]

I'm the crazy one, not Wolferz

We're all crazy here, Bruce.

[Bubblehead1980]

Who forces American employers to hire illegal immigrants? As long as your country is willing to use this cheap labor force the problem will exist. Yes, there are other factors but this has to be the prime reason these people continue to seek a better life in the U.S. And many Americans benefit, in one way or another, from this cheap labor.


Exactly, many are hired because can pay them what are slave wages.Our politicians are in bed with big business and will not pass meaningful reform to drive the illegals out, especially now since the problem has been let go for so long, they have to worry about identity politics in order to stay in power.Those who push to solve the problem, are labeled racist, xenophobic, uncaring etc by a certain party and it's propaganda division, the majority of media outlets, thus changing the discussion from the issue and putting those who want to stop the problem, on the defensive. Ignoring the economic and social damage that years of lax immigration policy has caused and will continue to cause damage until we stop it.

I am not without sympathy for those seeking a better life here, but it is not our responsibility to take on the downtrodden of the world, plenty of that in the US currently. A great example is myself, I had to drop out of law school in my final year, because could not afford and could not seem to get grants etc on time because my parents make too much money, I'm not a minority from a broken home etc,.Sure, in the past they did but things have changed dramatically.Where am I now? Working a stupid $11 an hour sales job trying to save everything I can so that hopefully in the fall I an enroll and finish as planned.Sure, my story is prob not as tough as many others out there, but it's pretty damn sad to see people's quality of life change that fast,(especially mine!) sign of the times since similar scenarios are repeated constantly across this country.What do illegals have to do with that? They undercut the labor market and have for a long time, without the pool of illega labor, wages would be higher.One of the major contributing factors.

[nikimcbee]

Yup.:03::O:


http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/herve-1.jpg
That is clearly my face photo shopped onto Tarjak's body.

[CaptainMattJ.]

I'm not going to count on businesses not hiring illegals on a moral basis. Businesses are always about profits, not morals, so the only way to get them to stop hiring illegals is to force them. But we aren't doing that. In fact, we're hardly doing ANYTHING at all to uphold the laws we have in place about immigration. It's only in America that people are called xenophobic racists for wanting the customs that all of our ancestors had to follow enforced. It's only in America that upholding immigration laws are frowned upon. In EVERY other country in the world, Americans have to follow the customs and laws of every country they visit or live in, verbatum. Why is this different for people entering the U.S? Why do illegals in THIS country get special treatment? Why do they get to come in and do work under the table for less than minimum wage and undermine the standard of living. Why should i, a citizen, have to compete with people who are willing to work for pennies.

How is that fair for either of us? Not only are the standards and expectations of the american worker being devalued, but most importantly of all, these people are being exploited. Some of these illegal immigrants are being paid deplorable wages for unregulated hours. They put in such hard work and for so much less, and there's really nothing they can do about it. They aren't citizens, so technically they aren't entitled to the protection the federal government gives, so how can they argue for fair wages? How can they require an employer to give them the benefits required for citizens? They can't. And often times, its either get paid those terrible wages or go back to where they came from. That's not what America is about.

So why don't we tackle the problem entirely? We need to lax the path to citizenship so that these people can become citizens already. And then, after these people are citizens and the path is more practical for future immigrants to come here legally, then we clamp down on the border, enforce our immigration standards, and remove all the illegal immigrant benefit programs like the dream act. Now there's no reason for these people NOT to become citizens, and people who still choose to not be citizens are punished under our immigration standards.

[TarJak]

That is clearly my face photo shopped onto Tarjak's body.My legs aren't that short and you know it. :D

[Jimbuna]

My legs aren't that short and you know it. :D

I think he was referring to the miniscule appendage actually :D

[TarJak]

I think he was referring to the miniscule appendage actually :D
Looks about your size :O:

[u crank]

Exactly, many are hired because can pay them what are slave wages.Our politicians are in bed with big business and will not pass meaningful reform to drive the illegals out, ....

I would say that driving the illegals out is a poor choice of words. In some ways you have invited them although in a backhanded sort of way. There are low paying jobs for them that many Americans refuse to do, or can't be filled by the local population. If you drive the illegals out who would do these jobs? I do understand that the immigrants are a burden on Government run social programs, but they are also consumers. 11 million people are buying food, gas, clothing etc. They don't pay income tax but somebody benefits from their consumerism. They also work cheap. Again someone benefits. The employer for sure and maybe the customer of the employer. Maybe you.

Those who push to solve the problem, are labeled racist, xenophobic, uncaring etc by a certain party and it's propaganda division, the majority of media outlets, thus changing the discussion from the issue and putting those who want to stop the problem, on the defensive. Ignoring the economic and social damage that years of lax immigration policy has caused and will continue to cause damage until we stop it.

I can see that there is a problem there and I am sympathetic. Unfortunately, some who wish to solve the problem are speaking from purely political or ideological standpoint and some of them are racist, xenophobic and uncaring. They are intentionally muddying the water. Illegal immigration is a huge problem and you have my sympathy.

I am not without sympathy for those seeking a better life here, but it is not our responsibility to take on the downtrodden of the world,

It may not be your responsibility but your country for hundreds of years was known for this....

From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That is/was one of the things I admire the most about your country.

Good to see you haven't given up on your education. The harder you work for it, the more you will value it. Good luck.

[Wolferz]

From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Lady Liberty continues...

Now that you're here, you might as well work these no-wage jobs I have for you. I like making money off the backs of slaves. It helps keep the patina off my dress.:up:

Moths to the flame?

[u crank]

Lady Liberty continues...

Now that you're here, you might as well work these no-wage jobs I have for you. I like making money off the backs of slaves. It helps keep the patina off my dress.:up:

Moths to the flame?

I would say..hmmm... depends on which side of the river you're on.:O:

[Phyrrus]

Why Mexicans immigrate to the US?
The problem is very complicated, but i like always finding easy solutions, so my answer is:
Because you let them in, simple as that. Put a big machine gun on your southern border and problem solved. (and I think you have a few of those). But would you do that, when half of your economy depends on immigrant workforce? If you do not dare to put that machine gun there, than swallow it and stop moaning.
You make war in Irak, and cant deal with immigration?

This is my answer to all similar questions: Why Europe is full of muslims, why Germany is invaded by turks, why England is not white anymore, why even my county, Romania is full of ethiopians, chinese and all. Some may say that multiculturalism is nice, but take a walk in London or Berlin, and your opinion will certainly change... There are always multiple points of views, and the final result is always who has more power to implement his own point of view. Humanity has nothing to do with it. I may seem to some as a racist, but not.. I am an immigrant myself, i left my country and lived and worked every possible country where payment was higher than in the s***hole I was born in. I did the low wage s*** work that native people wouldnt touch... but still, after eating the emmigrant`s bread myself, I still can not understand WHY do you people in Britain and USA can not take up arms and PROTECT yourselves agains all the crap that invades your countries? Because first you would have to hang all your inbred governors and bankers that get rich on immigrants backs, that`s why.

[Dread Knot]

You make war in Irak, and cant deal with immigration?



They seem to go hand in hand. It was immigrants, illegal and legal who did a good share of the fighting. 1.2 million Hispanics and Latinos are veterans of the US armed forces. They currently make up about 14% of the US Marine Corps.

http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/images/2012/02/23/236312/size0.jpg

[Tribesman]

Why Mexicans immigrate to the US?
The problem is very complicated, but i like always finding easy solutions, so my answer is:
Because you let them in, simple as that. Put a big machine gun on your southern border and problem solved. (and I think you have a few of those). But would you do that, when half of your economy depends on immigrant workforce? If you do not dare to put that machine gun there, than swallow it and stop moaning.
You make war in Irak, and cant deal with immigration?

This is my answer to all similar questions: Why Europe is full of muslims, why Germany is invaded by turks, why England is not white anymore, why even my county, Romania is full of ethiopians, chinese and all. Some may say that multiculturalism is nice, but take a walk in London or Berlin, and your opinion will certainly change... There are always multiple points of views, and the final result is always who has more power to implement his own point of view. Humanity has nothing to do with it. I may seem to some as a racist, but not.. I am an immigrant myself, i left my country and lived and worked every possible country where payment was higher than in the s***hole I was born in. I did the low wage s*** work that native people wouldnt touch... but still, after eating the emmigrant`s bread myself, I still can not understand WHY do you people in Britain and USA can not take up arms and PROTECT yourselves agains all the crap that invades your countries? Because first you would have to hang all your inbred governors and bankers that get rich on immigrants backs, that`s why.
That is quite funny, as apparently the "you people in Britain" currently have yourself and the Bulgarians as top of the list on nationalities of "invaders" to be got rid of.:hmmm:

[u crank]

We got a couple of threads going on the immigration problem. This goes a long way in helping to understand some of it.

http://i.imgur.com/xS6L8R9.jpg

In the end it's all about that stuff you fold and put in your pocket.

[Oberon]

Some may say that multiculturalism is nice, but take a walk in London or Berlin, and your opinion will certainly change...

Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

[Sailor Steve]

Put a big machine gun on your southern border and problem solved.
You do know that border is 1,954 miles (3,145 km) long, and almost all of it barren desert? That's a lot of ground to cover for "a big machine gun".

[Tribesman]

Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

Go back another 2 centuries and you get queen Elizabeth complaining that there are too many Blacks in London.
Nothing changes, people still make the same complaints and the same doomsday predictions about the destruction of local culture:yawn:

[Wolferz]

We all know why our neighbors to the south want to come here. Same as any other immigrant. Looking for a piece of the American dream. Better opportunities, living conditions etcetera, etcetera. They can work a job knowing that a band of banditos isn't going to rob them on the way home from work. I guess they forgot about our own banditos in DC and the state houses who rob you before you even get your check.:roll:

One thing's for sure, we're all sleeping. That's the only way to get the American dream. Then you awaken to the nightmare.:wah:

[Cybermat47]

We all know why our neighbors to the south want to come here. Same as any other immigrant. Looking for a piece of the American dream. Better opportunities, living conditions etcetera, etcetera. They can work a job knowing that a band of banditos isn't going to rob them on the way home from work. I guess they forgot about our own banditos in DC and the state houses who rob you before you even get your check.:roll:

One thing's for sure, we're all sleeping. That's the only way to get the American dream. Then you awaken to the nightmare.:wah:

Good post.

[Stealhead]

They seem to go hand in hand. It was immigrants, illegal and legal who did a good share of the fighting. 1.2 million Hispanics and Latinos are veterans of the US armed forces. They currently make up about 14% of the US Marine Corps.

http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/images/2012/02/23/236312/size0.jpg


True(partly) but they must either be legal citizens or possess a green card to serve any person regardless of origin.After the Dream Act some are pushing to allow illegals to enlist but currently being an illegal immigrant is a no go for enlisting.

Not a thing to me a legal immigrant serving I knew several Croatians and a few Filipinos all of the Hispanics I knew where already citizens.

I rather dislike the idea of an illegal being allowed to enlist.If a legal citizen gets kicked out for falsifying information in order to enlist how rightly can an illegal who violated the law be permitted that is highly contradictory.

I also believe that many in the military those with green cards in particular would be very displeased if illegals where allowed in and where eventually given legal status.In an all volunteer force you want to avoid polices that cause members to choose not to reenlist and others to not consider enlisting at all.A person in the military holding a green card may have to serve for a decade or more before being naturalized(depending on how long they had a green card prior to enlisting).


So there are 1.2 million Hispanic vets that are either citizens (some of them prior to enlisting and most born in the US nullifying them from this topic) or legal residents.

[Phyrrus]

That is quite funny, as apparently the "you people in Britain" currently have yourself and the Bulgarians as top of the list on nationalities of "invaders" to be got rid of.:hmmm:

Indeed, I count myself among them too. I lived among british, native brits are my friends, working class common folks, like me. I understand their bitterness, and I feel their pain, I have the same sourness in my mouth, and I want them to sort the immigration problem, even if that means myself being banished from GB.
What you dont know, that I went there to WORK, work hard and earn a living. But most of romanians (they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies) do NOT go there for work, they just want the social security, the go there to beg on the streets and rob and steal and get social security money, then come home and have a BMW X5 with the money they stole in England. I know because I see them both here and there.

About us being top of the list, I dunno, check some statistics, east europeeans are only a small percent of all your foreigners, compared to pakistaneese or chineese or arabs or god knows who else. Get to your senses, east europeeans are NOT europe's biggest problem. At least WE are europeeans. Some of us... :)

[Phyrrus]

Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

My friend Oberon, I've been in covenience stores in LONDON (the capital of UK you know) in which NONE of the pakistanese (sorry, PAKISTANI, thanks for the heads up, Stealhead) employees COULD NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, but tried to charge me 15 quids for a pack of Golden Virginia tobacco back in 2008. I can give you the adress of the store, it is in Borehamwood.
This is just an example. There are thousand small bits like these that make english people feel inconfortable in their own homeland. Even my immigrant blood boiled seeing those lazy good-for-nothing people in the hearts of England.
Of course, I am aware that THIS is the direct result of UK explointing India in the past centuries, yes, but that is another story...

[Phyrrus]

You do know that border is 1,954 miles (3,145 km) long, and almost all of it barren desert? That's a lot of ground to cover for "a big machine gun".

Lol Steve, that was just a figure of speech :)
Put two on every mile, still way cheaper for US citizens than treating all the problems that occur on behalf of immigration. 3908 machineguns + 2 operators for each's total cost would be just 18% of your annual military spending. Not taking into account the USA goverment buget allocated for treating social problems, like immigration and it's consequences, like high criminality. It would be still way cheaper for you... But as I said before: who would clean the public toilets then?

[Stealhead]

My friend Oberon, I've been in covenience stores in LONDON (the capital of UK you know) in which NONE of the pakistanese employees COULD NOT SPEAK ENGLISH,


None of the employees could not speak English in London? Sorry to hear that they could speak English and swindled you.

What is pakistanese? Half Chinese and half Pakistani?

You do realize that "lazy gypsy" Romanians developed Silent Hunter 3,4,5?

[Phyrrus]

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I? :D
But I
I am neither, I am an immigrant.

Immigrants are always two types. First ones are those who are really in need, they really want to do better in their life for themselves and their families. Economical or political immigrants playing fair for survival. (I like to count myself among them, but who knows maybe I'm wrong :)
The second type are the parasites, the scum of their own countries, those who cant take up the fight in their own homelands, those who are too lazy to make a decent living in places where they could make a living if they'd be just a bit mre persistent, those that want to live always on the back of others anywhere they may be. They are always first in queue wherever something is for free, in their native country as well as in the country they emmigrated. And besid that, they are alway demanding for special treatment, always loudly repeating worsd like "discrimination". (this is the FIRST and only word that gipsies learn). They are a burden for any country. These people make roughy 80% of all the immigrants. I am not stereotypi..zing ( is that correct?) here, i speak from experience and statistics.

Why does nobody talks about chinese immigrants (at least not so often)? Coz they adapt to local customs (most of the time), they are HARD WORKING people, they always have something to offer, and they are a wellcome addition to any local economy. Right?
Ok, what people know about romanian and bulgarian immigrants in tha UK or mexicans in the US? That wherever they go, first thing is that they bulid their own maffia network, their criminal supply chains and start exploiting western countries. They are always the first to demand social assistance in form of money, housing, transportation and such, but they never give anything in exchange to their host country excep from anincreased criminality rate.

I have no problem with the first ones, but the second type is a plague that has to be treated.
I think this problem exceeds de shere immigration problem, its about overpopulation, and about that half of this overpopulated crowd is not willing to give its apport to the wellbeing of all, but want to live and thrive on the neck of others.
On a side note: I count bankers, wall street sharks, high wage managers and other imperialists among the plague too, but that is another topic I think...

I go do some work now, cuz some of us have to work sundays and saturdays as well... :)

Phyrrus over and out.

[Phyrrus]

None of the employees could not speak English in London? Sorry to hear that they could speak English and swindled you.
They counted on their fingers. Hard to believe, I know.


You do realize that "lazy gypsy" Romanians developed Silent Hunter 3,4,5?

Yes, I know that, and I was NOT talking about them, as you very well know. That is the problem, when you put all the people of the same origin in the same cauldron. By gipsies I really meant the gipsies immigrating from romania to england. Do not be a carper please :)

[Tribesman]

About us being top of the list, I dunno, check some statistics, east europeeans are only a small percent of all your foreigners, compared to pakistaneese or chineese or arabs or god knows who else. Get to your senses, east europeeans are NOT europe's biggest problem. At least WE are europeeans. Some of us...
You had better tell that to the british government and the Kippers, perhaps they can get the Daily Fail to change the headlines about the Romanian/Bulgarian horde that is apparently battering down the gates of British civilisation.

What you dont know, that I went there to WORK, work hard and earn a living. But most of romanians (they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies) do NOT go there for work, they just want the social security, the go there to beg on the streets and rob and steal and get social security money, then come home and have a BMW X5 with the money they stole in England. I know because I see them both here and there.

Steroetypes much?
I have come across plenty of Romanians in Ireland, the majority are in the first category, the minority of those would be Roma.
Of the Romanians and Roma there are some that fit into your second category.

Even my immigrant blood boiled seeing those lazy good-for-nothing people in the hearts of England.

If they are lazy good for nothings then why are they working?
Indeed how are they running a business?

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I? :D

In that case avoid lines like....(they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies)...as that comes off a bit third reichish.

Why does nobody talks about chinese immigrants (at least not so often)? Coz they adapt to local customs (most of the time)
Have you been to Chinatown in London?
Or any other city which has a Chinatown?

They counted on their fingers. Hard to believe, I know.

That's a failing of the modern education system, most people nowadays don't get taught that very basic skill.
I made sure I taught my kids it, it also helps them to understand why base 12 originated and how the duodecimal system is so widespread throughout the world

[Phyrrus]

In that case avoid lines like....(they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies)...as that comes off a bit third reichish.


You know, if that sounds III-rd Reichish to you, than I must be a III-rd Reichist indeed, because i cant and I wont take back those worsd I said. I meant exactly what I said. And i think Europe is just about to get another Reich in less then 50 yrs if it continues this way.

Read this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=211065) post, its just a few lines above ours. Many other people are worried about this, more and more upset locals are going right wing.

And no, I have never been to any chinatown, I saw only small chinese communities, that is why I cant speak about them.
If you are right then situation is even worse. But nobody would dare touch the chinese, right? specially not US goverment. Because if you do, then Chinese would definitely rip apart your already ruined dollar and the entire US economy. Check the statistics about USA debt...

If they are lazy good for nothings then why are they working?
Indeed how are they running a business?
Indeed, I never said they work, I said they dont... they are employed by other pakistani who own all these convenience stores. What they do is not called working about my standards.

[Tribesman]

You know, if that sounds III-rd Reichish to you, than I must be a III-rd Reichist indeed, because i cant and I wont take back those worsd I said. I meant exactly what I said. And i think Europe is just about to get another Reich in less then 50 yrs if it continues this way.
You say you want a fresh start and for people to forget the previous statements which may have made you seem like someone who followed rather dodgy ideologies, yet then you come straight back and defend those dodgy statements.


Read this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=211065) post, Did you notice how that post was thoroughly trashed?
Did you notice how easily and quickly it was trashed?
Not a great example to support you is it?

Many other people are worried about this, more and more upset locals are going right wing.
Yes, but if they don't make sense and their arguemts don't hold then it doesn't matter if they go right wing, left wing or on a wing and a prayer.
their position is what it is and what it shows itself to be lacking in merit.

Indeed, I never said they work, I said they dont... You make no sense.
You already said they were employees. However I think you will find that many of those "employees" are actually the owners of the business.

they are employed by other pakistani who own all these convenience stores. Employed? that's working isn't it.

What they do is not called working about my standards. Do you set the standard of when employment is called employment?

And no, I have never been to any chinatown, I saw only small chinese communities, that is why I cant speak about them.
How about little Korea?
Did you venture to County Kilburn?(though most of those migrants have migrated to the surrounding home counties now).
Its part and parcel of immigration anywhere, just look at how Brazilian parts of Notting Hill are now when they used to be Jamaican.
What you are complaining about in London is just part of London, it is part of London since there has been a London and always will be.
The doomsayers and scaremongers will spew it out just like they always have, and some people will lap up the bollox and swallow it just like they always have, and just like they currently are about the hordes of Romanian/Bulgarian barbarians who are alledgedly at the gates of the city waiting to ransack the town and bring poor old London too its knees.

[Onkel Neal]

Immigrants are always two types. First ones are those who are really in need, they really want to do better in their life for themselves and their families. Economical or political immigrants playing fair for survival. (I like to count myself among them, but who knows maybe I'm wrong :)
The second type are the parasites, the scum of their own countries, those who cant take up the fight in their own homelands, those who are too lazy to make a decent living in places where they could make a living if they'd be just a bit mre persistent, those that want to live always on the back of others anywhere they may be. They are always first in queue wherever something is for free, in their native country as well as in the country they emmigrated. And besid that, they are alway demanding for special treatment, always loudly repeating worsd like "discrimination". (this is the FIRST and only word that gipsies learn). They are a burden for any country. These people make roughy 80% of all the immigrants. I am not stereotypi..zing ( is that correct?) here, i speak from experience and statistics.




You are probably right. I haven't taken part in any studies, but in my brief time as a school teacher in Pasadena, which is becoming Little Mexico in Houston, I have to agree with some of your assumptions. The majority of students are "needy" and take part in free breakfast and lunches. It's not 20% of the students qualify for free subsidies, it's 100%. And guess what--the schools do not want to know their immigration status. We are basically educating illegal immigrants and feeding them.

As a native Texan, I like Mexicans and their food. I've worked with them in the hot sun, I've had a Mexican-American girlfriend or two, and my best mate is a second gen Tex-Mex. They are good people. But I do not like the way we have surrendered our sovereignty to people from other countries who have demanded the right to break our laws, take up residence in our country and draw on aid and services we are taxed for, that should be for our citizens. If someone wants to immigrate to the US, let them do so in accordance with our laws. Otherwise, they should not be here.

[Wolferz]

They counted on their fingers. Hard to believe, I know.
Nothing wrong with using the free Abacus we're given.:O:

If these folks are jamming you in the backside... shop elsewhere.:03::)

[Sailor Steve]

Lol Steve, that was just a figure of speech :)
Put two on every mile, still way cheaper for US citizens than treating all the problems that occur on behalf of immigration. 3908 machineguns + 2 operators for each's total cost would be just 18% of your annual military spending. Not taking into account the USA goverment buget allocated for treating social problems, like immigration and it's consequences, like high criminality. It would be still way cheaper for you... But as I said before: who would clean the public toilets then?
It would also tie up almost 25,000 soldiers (you don't expect those two soldiers manning each gun to work around the clock, do you?). Having the machine guns implies that the soldiers would be expected to use them, i.e. murder anyone trying to cross the border. That is a bigger problem than just trying to turn them back. Of course they could send squads out to arrest them, but that would mean a lot more than just two soldiers per mile. I don't see that being as cost-effective as you claim.

Yes, illegal immigration is a problem. Stopping it is also a problem.

[Aktungbby]

"Do you set the standard of when employment is called employment?"

TribesBBY: you're wasting your considerable talents on this one whom I fear has brought some old school multi-generational incurred values with him in his baggage. You'll win the argument, but your Phyrric victory ain't worth the carpal tunnel syndrome better spent quaffing one in a Galway pub; I worked immigration at the SF location( met lots of Celtic lasses on summer work 'Accommodation') and the bottom line is: people are just people...The world over. I'm a Minnasoteese immigrant to California and only the weather matters to me.(YOU BETCHA) Nice to hear someone like Phyrrus once in awhile though, so we are reminded what the problem still sounds like...the first part of the solution being vigilance! Hopefully enlightenment will set in.:sunny:

[Stealhead]

Pyrrhic victory...ba dum tis.

You are right people are people still it is far easier to hate.

[Ducimus]

Why i'm not a big fan of Mexicans summarized in one picture, and It doesn't take a genius to see why.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=677&pictureid=6878

[Aktungbby]

perhaps your sig should read " We da pipples...! " http://cdn.graphicsfactory.com/clip-art/image_files/image/6/1285366-CincoDeMayo-001.gif (http://www.graphicsfactory.com/login?ID=369814):rotfl2:

[Wolferz]

You don't like the phat Mexican girls, Duci?:haha:
They love you long time senor':03: Especially if you're willing to anchor them here.:woot:

[Ducimus]

perhaps your sig should read " We da pipples...! " http://cdn.graphicsfactory.com/clip-art/image_files/image/6/1285366-CincoDeMayo-001.gif (http://www.graphicsfactory.com/login?ID=369814):rotfl2:

Perhaps you should look up the definition for the word integration. Its a rather novel concept to people who entered our country illegally, and then demand we speak their language, make no attempt to learn ours, all the while demanding entitlements, and proudly flying the flag of a foreign country over ours. It is as inexcusable as it is unforgivable, and anyone who does that has no place here regardless of skin color.


In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

-Theodore Roosevelt 1907

These are not Americans.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=677&pictureid=6878

[Phyrrus]

Perhaps you should look up the definition for the word integration. Its a rather novel concept to people who entered our country illegally, and then demand we speak their language, make no attempt to learn ours, all the while demanding entitlements, and proudly flying the flag of a foreign country over ours. It is as inexcusable as it is unforgivable, and anyone who does that has no place here regardless of skin color.

[i]
In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

-Theodore Roosevelt 1907



Ducimus, this is the essence of what I tried to say, thank you for helping me out. It seems to me that some people could understand my point, even if I am not native english and my way of speaking is not one that many are accustomed to. Others decided not to see the whole picture, but get lost into details and rip my words apart, and attack them one by one.

Mr Tribesman, I really appreciate that you took the bother and replied to me, and analyzed my every word and clung on to my every mistake, be it ideological or grammatical, that showed to me that this matter is of a great importance to you, and that is enough for me :)
I do not want to change your way of thinking, i just want you to THINK, time and circumstances will do the rest. I do not expect you to understand me, you live in a relative safe country, in great confort, presumably with lots or at least enough money, while I was born in a poverty stricken, god forsaken country in eastern europe, and lived 20 years in the darkest communism - it cannot be for us to think the same. Twisted isnt it, that ME, the former immigrant, am trying to defend YOUR wellbeing against MY kind o people? :hmmm: I think I will stop that and turn my energies into something more useful. Maybe I should go back to England with the next plane... hmmm, are there any good jobs for me in Galway?

[Phyrrus]

"

TribesBBY: you're wasting your considerable talents on this one whom I fear has brought some old school multi-generational incurred values with him in his baggage. You'll win the argument, but your Phyrric victory ain't worth the carpal tunnel syndrome better spent quaffing one in a Galway pub; I worked immigration at the SF location( met lots of Celtic lasses on summer work 'Accommodation') and the bottom line is: people are just people...The world over. I'm a Minnasoteese immigrant to California and only the weather matters to me.(YOU BETCHA) Nice to hear someone like Phyrrus once in awhile though, so we are reminded what the problem still sounds like...the first part of the solution being vigilance! Hopefully enlightenment will set in.:sunny:

As for you, Aktungbby, you left me in awe of your wisdom, I am pleasantly surprised that someone apart historians still knows what a pyrrhic victory means:D... I can be sarcastic as well, as you see, but that is no my aim. Actually I have no aim at all. This is no contest, and there is nothing to win. You are right about that this will change nothing, Earth will not stop spinning and immigration will not be solved if we argue about it in this forum. So Tribesman is indeed wasting his talents. We are here only to share thoughts in the hopes that those thoughts may start others to think or open hidden perspecticves, that's all. Nothing to win or lose here.
On a side note though, sarcasm and irony is just a way of putting your head under the sand, like an ostrich. You can choose not to give a damn about the world and care only for yourself and the sunshine, but that does not mean that the problems does not exist. I envy you to some extent, I am socially sensitive by nature, I couldnt give up yet the need to try not changing, but at least noticing and adjusting the world around me. Maybe I have a lot to learn from you :)

Now if you excuse me, I have to read the evening tale to my 3 year old kid, so... good night to everyone :)

[Tribesman]

Perhaps you should look up the definition for the word integration. Its a rather novel concept to people who entered our country illegally, and then demand we speak their language, make no attempt to learn ours, all the while demanding entitlements, and proudly flying the flag of a foreign country over ours. It is as inexcusable as it is unforgivable, and anyone who does that has no place here regardless of skin color.


In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

-Theodore Roosevelt 1907

These are not Americans.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=677&pictureid=6878

Montebello? that sounds kinda Spanish doesn't it, I would assume that a Spanish sounding place would have Spanish speaking people.
So it must be the non Spanish speakers who are the ones who failed to integrate:hmmm:
Nice quote from Theodore, I wonder if he played any role in adding more Spanish speaking places to the US holdings?
If he had known how much you would dislike latinos from your early life in the formerly Spanish territory of California I am sure he wouldn't have gone riding roughly to help add more Hispanics to the pot



Mr Tribesman, I really appreciate that you took the bother and replied to me, and analyzed my every word and clung on to my every mistake, be it ideological or grammatical, that showed to me that this matter is of a great importance to you, and that is enough for me :)
I do not want to change your way of thinking, i just want you to THINK, time and circumstances will do the rest. I do not expect you to understand me, you live in a relative safe country, in great confort, presumably with lots or at least enough money, while I was born in a poverty stricken, god forsaken country in eastern europe, and lived 20 years in the darkest communism - it cannot be for us to think the same. Twisted isnt it, that ME, the former immigrant, am trying to defend YOUR wellbeing against MY kind o people? :hmmm: I think I will stop that and turn my energies into something more useful. Maybe I should go back to England with the next plane... hmmm, are there any good jobs for me in Galway?
That's funny, Ireland is often described as a god forsaken poverty ridden country in Western Europe, and arguably has been since its creation.
Its people are certainly no strangers to all the issues involved with migration.
Is there any particular reason why you assume people don't think?
Your views however are ones that time and circumstance can change, as long as you think.

[Oberon]

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[Aktungbby]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Snoopy_wwi_ace_lb.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Snoopy_wwi_ace_lb.jpg):wah: Sopwith Camel; no chute:doh:

[Aktungbby]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Snoopy_wwi_ace_lb.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Snoopy_wwi_ace_lb.jpg):wah: Sopwith Camel: no chute:doh:

[Aktungbby]

... some holes in the fabric here! Sacre!

[Oberon]

:wah: Sopwith Camel; no chute:doh:

Bad for morale don't you know. :nope:

Here, have a little something to enjoy in the meantime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUQCqSw-Yds

And

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i973gkkRNhs

Worth looking at the other vids on the guys channel, some lovely footage, especially his Mustang ride, just beautiful. :yeah:

[Aktungbby]

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[Aktungbby]

Good stuff there!

[Aktungbby]

God airplanes stuff her Oberon thanks!:up:

[Aktungbby]

... some holes in the fabric here! Sacre!

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I? :D

[Aktungbby]

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I? :D[/QUOTE]

I have no problem with the first ones, but the second type is a plague that has to be treated.

[Oberon]

Erm...you feeling ok? :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I? :D have no problem with the first ones, but the second type is a plague that has to be treated.Well my head is out of the sand now Phyrrus! And taking you at your freely written, uncoerced, posted word(s) in the forum,^ I'm sure there's some out-of-work types who know how to deal with plagues of this sort. I'm sure they'd Wannasee some solution to the problem as well:O:

[Aktungbby]

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[Aktungbby]

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[Aktungbby]

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[Aktungbby]

dup error mod delete please

[Aktungbby]

:salute:

[Aktungbby]

copy glitch? moderator delete please

[Aktungbby]

glitch

[Aktungbby]

!!!??? copy glitch

[TarJak]

Someone needs to hit the reset switch.

[Tribesman]

Someone needs to hit the reset switch.
Perhaps its an immigrant, it doesn't appear to be working.

[Wolferz]

Perhaps its an immigrant, it doesn't appear to be working.
Scratched record? Those don't work either.:O:

[Oberon]

Perhaps its an immigrant, it doesn't appear to be working.

:har::har::har::har:

[Aktungbby]

"ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I? :D"

A bit taken aback?!:hmmm:

[Phyrrus]

A bit taken aback?!:hmmm:

no, not at all, I'm just waiting for you to restart your system... it seems to be flooded as I noticed in previous pages... while you detox, i try to get some answers about the GAME i play here, maybe you could gimme a hand?

[Stealhead]

You know that you can delete your posts.

Simply click edit then delete you have to mark "delete message" by default it is not marked.The options under delete are hard to read though you can highlight the text to see it better you want to tick the bottom of the two choices.As is the option is ticked "do not delete message" which means that nothing will happen I think it is a kill switch so to speak.When you tick "delete message" the "Delete this Message" button will highlight.Only due to the hard to see nearly the same color as the background text things are hard to read.

Simple dimple bust a pimple with tricky text colors.

[Phyrrus]

You know that you can delete your posts.

Simply click edit then delete you have to mark "delete message" by default it is not marked.The options under delete are hard to read though you can highlight the text to see it better you want to tick the bottom of the two choices.As is the option is ticked "do not delete message" which means that nothing will happen I think it is a kill switch so to speak.When you tick "delete message" the "Delete this Message" button will highlight.Only due to the hard to see nearly the same color as the background text things are hard to read.

Simple dimple bust a pimple with tricky text colors.

Thank you for the info, very kind, but I dont see why I would delete my post? I joined an already existing conversation and I shared my opinion, that's it :)
I made my post in full awareness that some may not like it - although I expected a much more mature approach for a serious subject like this.

Off topic: Can enyone help me with this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210820&highlight=TDW+Generic+Patcher) issue please?

[Jimbuna]

Someone needs to hit the reset switch.

Indeed....the board is starting to look decidedly messy http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8636/cdw.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/cdw.gif/)

[Onkel Neal]

Off topic: Can enyone help me with this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210820&highlight=TDW+Generic+Patcher) issue please?

Please post your help request in the appropriate forum, thanks.:salute:




You know that you can delete your posts.

Simply click edit then delete you have to mark "delete message" by default it is not marked.The options under delete are hard to read though you can highlight the text to see it better you want to tick the bottom of the two choices.As is the option is ticked "do not delete message" which means that nothing will happen I think it is a kill switch so to speak.When you tick "delete message" the "Delete this Message" button will highlight.Only due to the hard to see nearly the same color as the background text things are hard to read.


It appears he abused the "edit" and "delete" functions enough to trigger the limited use function. The forum monitors post deletions and if one makes xx deletions in a short period of time, his ability to delete is removed for a period. Keeps people from disrupting discussions by mass deletion.

If no one wishes to get this thread back on topic, we can lock it.

[Stealhead]

Ah I see I only ever used delete to get rid of a double post and a few times to start a post over completely.Makes sense to have limit though someone could run through and delete several posts in a discussion.

Anyway illegal immigration will always be a problem when you have nations with better economic opportunities in regions where other nations have less to offer(which would be in every corner of the globe this situation).

Being poor in a 1st world country is better than being poor in a 3rd world country.Anyone can see the logic in that it is exactly why people legally immigrate the majority of the time well more so in most cases to have a better job middle class job.

The illegals come because companies are giving them jobs.Seems like the punishment for companies willingly using illegal labor is pretty minimal and worth what ever the fines are.You could have stricter enforcement and harsher punishment for the employers.Which of course means that they must pay higher wages to legal workers which means that cost would passed on to the consumer.I wonder how will people feel when the price of food especially produce goes up(substantially if the majority of illegal workers where gone) as a result of the illegal workers going away.

[Catfish]

Apart from companies being able to get cheap workers who will seldomly protest against worst job situations, never underestimate that certain jobs are very unattractive (so to speak) for the 'native' inhabitants :-?

[Betonov]

Being poor in a 1st world country is better than being poor in a 3rd world country.Anyone can see the logic in that it is exactly why people legally immigrate the majority of the time well more so in most cases to have a better job middle class job.


Being poor in certain 1st world countries is better than being middle class in some other 1st world country.
Slovenia is a developed nation, but I'd make almost double working as an apartment block janitor in Germany than I make now as an artisan in a yacht development company :nope:

[Armistead]

http://toprightnews.com/?p=1333

Cost of illegals coming to US to give birth

[Phyrrus]

The illegals come because companies are giving them jobs.Seems like the punishment for companies willingly using illegal labor is pretty minimal and worth what ever the fines are.You could have stricter enforcement and harsher punishment for the employers. Which of course means that they must pay higher wages to legal workers which means that cost would passed on to the consumer.I wonder how will people feel when the price of food especially produce goes up(substantially if the majority of illegal workers where gone) as a result of the illegal workers going away.

humble opinion: I think the cause-efferct relation model must be more complicated than this. Proof of this is that in eastern europe, which is a big workforce "exporter", basic commodities - like bread, basic foodstuff - are more expensive than in wester countries, like UK or Germany (Which is more severe if you take in consideration that mexicans or EastEU mambers earn 3-4 times less than their western "colleagues" - this fact it itself generates emmigration) The prices are set by the market also, not only by the cost of labour producing them.
Problem is that the developing countries are first of all a huge market for developed countries products, and this is where the snake bites its own tail.

To give you an example: I earn 1,2 USD (one point 2) an hour in Romania, and I spend around 1,10 USD for a 1 kg bread. I London I earned 9 pounds an hour with less labour, and I could buy food for almost 2 days spendin only 5 pounds at Tescos. Why? Because EU corporate interest was to kill local economy -specially agriculture- in my country, and we are forced buy overpriced wheat form outside. I dunno if that applies to USA-Mexico relationship, but definitely a fact in Europe.

[Stealhead]

Being poor in certain 1st world countries is better than being middle class in some other 1st world country.
Slovenia is a developed nation, but I'd make almost double working as an apartment block janitor in Germany than I make now as an artisan in a yacht development company :nope:


Indeed.I saw some documentary where they went and filmed citizenship ceremonies across the country.They talked to the new citizens my favorite was an Iraqi man he said "people in Iraq would love being a dog in America" kind of of funny (or maybe sad) that many native born Americans do not realize just how good we have it here even if at the lowest level.One of my cousins adopted a Romanian boy about 15 years ago now he is in college and his parents are upper middle class he has nothing really to worry about.In Romania I doubt he would be in anywhere near the same situation(especially considering his parents gave hm away) even if he had a good job.

[Moonlight]

Roy Beck's colourful presentation of Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE