Senator Rand Paul files Lawsuit against Obama and the NSA [Archive]

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Feuer Frei!

01-04-14, 08:31 PM

Good luck with that, sir:

Republican Sen. Rand Paul says he is filing a class-action lawsuit against the Obama administration over the data-collection policies of the National Security Agency. And on his campaign website (http://www.randpaul2016.com/), he’s urging Americans to join the lawsuit, in his words, “to stop Barack Obama’s NSA from snooping on the American people.”

SOURCE (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/03/sen-rand-paul-says-hes-suing-obama-administration-over-nsa-snooping-on-the-american-people/)

Oberon

01-04-14, 08:39 PM

NSA/government snooping:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210305
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210265
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210218
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210229
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210012
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209991
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209984
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209906
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209757
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209321
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209394
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209353
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=208944

Admiral Halsey

01-04-14, 08:44 PM

Oberon

01-04-14, 08:45 PM

Less then I thought we had.

That's only over a period of two months....

Admiral Halsey

01-04-14, 08:45 PM

That's only over a period of two months....

Oh... :o

Oberon

01-04-14, 08:54 PM

Oh... :o

Yah... :wah:

Admiral Halsey

01-04-14, 08:55 PM

Yah... :wah:

Well it is an important topic...

Oberon

01-04-14, 09:19 PM

Well it is an important topic...

I agree, and so is gun control, which is why we had an all purpose 'gun control thread', but as soon as that fell off the front page most people forgot about it. Really, we could do with having several all-purpose threads, we had one for admiring guns, and yet we still get 'look at x gun doing y' stories appear, like so:

Guns:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210303
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210021
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210020
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=209461

So, in theory what should happen is that any new threads on the subject get merged into the all purpose thread, but unfortunately that's pretty labour intensive, it got pretty bad a while ago when Neal had to step in a merge all the 2nd Amendment Gun control threads (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2043294).

The primary problem that we face here in this forum is that there are a handful of people on one side of the debate and a handful of people on the other, neither side are going to move from their entrenched positions and so when a topic like this comes up, all that happens is a vicious back and forth that ends with either someone getting a warning or both sides entrenching even deeper into their respective beliefs.

By definition a forum is - "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged".
We have gone past the point that ideas and views have been exchanged, there is nothing new to discuss, we know Skybirds position on the NSA, we know how August feels about the 2nd Amendment, because these positions have been made abundantly clear in previous threads on these topics, and neither side have any form of arguement that is going to change the opinion of the other. So what do we end up with? The sort of thing we saw in this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=210304 where there's just a circle of viciousness until the moderators are forced to step in.

To be fair, I must stress it doesn't always go this way, thankfully there are a lot of rational minds on this forum, but sometimes people just let their emotions get the better of them, particularly on an emotive subject...which seems to be the only sort of subject that certain people post news stories about...

Wolferz

01-05-14, 01:01 PM

The honorable Mister Paul should also include the architects of the Patriot Act as co-defendants in his suit, though prying Mister Bush off his ranch may prove to be problematic and Mister Cheney has already proven that he's above the law, the constitution and the stratosphere.:hmmm:

Catfish

01-05-14, 02:25 PM

... prying Mister Bush off his ranch may prove to be problematic and Mister Cheney has already proven that he's above the law, the constitution and the stratosphere.:hmmm:

:rotfl2:

but not so funny if you really think about it -

Ducimus

01-05-14, 05:16 PM

Good luck with that, sir:

That about sum's it up. Filing a lawsuit i think is a token gesture, meant to say, "I'm on the side of the people", something that people will remember at the voting booth. Or perhaps, he knows the outcome is dismal, but he's following through with his convictions anyway, as a matter of principle. Or perhaps, both. In any event, I would be greatly surprised if the lawsuit actually went anywhere.

Platapus

01-05-14, 06:09 PM

As long as it is a legitimate lawsuit and not some cheap political ploy of someone who is wanting to make a political name for themselves in preparation of a future presidential candidacy....

oh

:oops:

TarJak

01-05-14, 06:20 PM

Like all lawsuits the only winners will be the lawyers.

Wolferz

01-05-14, 07:42 PM

No matter the outcome of said lawsuit, the main thing is it drags the whole mess into the light of day. Let's see how many roaches scatter.:smug:
The liberal interpretations of the constitution as of late have gotten way out of hand. Since when does an act of Congress trump the founding document and the Bill of Rights? Which, by the way, was expertly designed to prevent such nonsense. Those who think those documents don't mean squat in this day and age have another think coming. Karma is a bitch when she comes back around and slaps you.:hmmm:

vienna

01-06-14, 01:10 PM

That about sum's it up. Filing a lawsuit i think is a token gesture, meant to say, "I'm on the side of the people", something that people will remember at the voting booth. Or perhaps, he knows the outcome is dismal, but he's following through with his convictions anyway, as a matter of principle. Or perhaps, both. In any event, I would be greatly surprised if the lawsuit actually went anywhere.

More or less my take on Rand Paul's lawsuit, also. It's an election year for him and, like all politicians, he needs to keep his name and face in the public's (read: his constituent's) ears and eyes. Most probably, the lawsuit will go nowhere, Paul will get the votes to keep his seat, and nothing more will be heard of the issue in relation to Paul. And so goes another political ploy...

<O>

Platapus

01-06-14, 06:19 PM

Since when does an act of Congress trump the founding document and the Bill of Rights?

<raises hand>

When the Supreme Court of the United States says it's OK.

That's why we have a Supreme Court. Because the founding dudes recognized that interpretations of law can change.

August

01-06-14, 09:10 PM

Wouldn't Paul have to file his suit in the very same court where Obama just nominated those three judges? :hmmm:

Wolferz

01-07-14, 07:37 AM

Wouldn't Paul have to file his suit in the very same court where Obama just nominated those three judges? :hmmm:

Stacking the deck? The house always wins so, just leave your wallet with the girl at the door.:hmmm:

Ducimus

01-07-14, 07:58 AM

Wouldn't Paul have to file his suit in the very same court where Obama just nominated those three judges? :hmmm:

Like i said, it's a token gesture.

Tchocky

01-07-14, 09:11 AM

Stacking the deck? The house always wins so, just leave your wallet with the girl at the door.:hmmm:

It's not stacking the deck when there are three vacancies, and the president is supposed to nominate candidates.

Sailor Steve

01-07-14, 11:08 AM

That's why we have a Supreme Court. Because the founding dudes recognized that interpretations of law can change.
Actually one particular founding dude took it upon himself to manipulate the law and single-handedly put the Supreme Court in that position. A lot of folks have either hated him or praised him for it ever since.