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the_tyrant
01-03-14, 12:49 PM
MLS's Goal is to become a world leading soccer (ok, fine, association football) league with 24 - 30 teams by 2020. I think their goal of becoming a top league is slightly unrealistic in their timeframe, but give them 15-20 years, I can see them become as good as, if not better than the major European leagues, top 3 in the world..

http://www.mlssoccer.com/bestof/2013/news/article/2013/12/29/best-2013-drumbeat-mls-expansion-no-2-story-year

http://www.mlssoccer.com/sideline/news/article/2013/12/26/former-barca-academy-product-oriol-rosell-defends-mls-interview-says-sportin?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=web&utm_campaign=Paid




You see, my assessment is based on 3 major things:

1. The collapse of the La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1
It is no secret that European soccer leagues are spending way, way beyond their means. Many clubs spend over 100% of their revenue on payroll (business 101 should tell you that it is a bad idea).

The French, Italian, and Spanish leagues are overall in the worst financial shape. I can imagine many of them slowly collapsing. After all, many top European are losing money at the pace of 2 billion per year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/sports/soccer/european-teams-lost-2-billion-in-2010.html

Fully 75% of the richest and best clubs lose money; outlays on transfer fees and salaries among Europe’s top 10 teams were twice those of the next 10. And so it goes all the way down.

Read more: Europe’s Soccer Clubs: The Continent’s Other Looming Debt Crisis | TIME.com (http://world.time.com/2012/01/30/europes-soccer-clubs-the-continents-other-looming-debt-crisis/#ixzz2pM6fglQV) http://world.time.com/2012/01/30/europes-soccer-clubs-the-continents-other-looming-debt-crisis/#ixzz2pM6fglQV


Southern European clubs are facing the biggest challenge. With Spain being closest to collapse.


Gay, who has produced several studies on Spanish clubs' sorry finances, estimates their debt at 6 billion euros ($7.4 billion).

The 20 teams in La Liga, the elite first division that includes powerhouses Barcelona and Real Madrid, owe more than half that amount. Gay believes at least 10 teams are at risk of going under. Several are already under bankruptcy protection.

The government says teams in the top two divisions owed 752 million euros ($921 million) in unpaid taxes alone last spring, on top of around 600 million euros ($735 million) in missed contributions to the social security system.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/spain/120710/euro-crisis-spain-soccer-football


The amount of debt the big European clubs carry would mean that collapse is inevitable. After all, some day they can't afford this anymore.


The 10 most indebted clubs in European soccer collectively owe $5.74 billion between them.


The 20 English Premier League clubs have a combined debt that has spiraled to $4.45 billion. Fourteen of them lost money in 2008-09, the most recent season for which numbers are available. The financial picture is even uglier in La Liga, in which last year's 20 teams tallied $4.65 billion in debt. Just three of those Iberian bastions of soccer achieved an operating profit: Barcelona, Real Madrid and little Numancia, which was relegated as a reward for its fiscal prudence.


Among 36 teams in the two professional Dutch divisions, only four are deemed financially sound by the Dutch soccer association. Twelve of them, including fabled Feyenoord, are having their troubled finances supervised by the league. As for the other 20 clubs, the league classifies as "worrisome" their state of financial affairs.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/5580467/european-football-eating-itself



Their financial problems would mean that the top players are looking elsewhere for work. And where better to go than to North America?


2. The hostile work environment in Italy and certain other European leagues

However, even with a mass financial collapse of the top European leagues, compared to the current salary capped MLS, they can still afford to outbid MLS teams for top players. However, that advantage is quickly shrinking.

However, smart managing can help shrink the gap considerably. Now if we look at Billy Beane's management of the Oakland A's as a good example, a good road to success is to exploit market inefficiencies, and find undervalued players.

I would struggle to see how there can be an undervalued young player in Europe. Everybody loves soccer over there, and there are so many tiers of professional, semi-professional, and amateur soccer, it is inconcieveable that there is currently an "undervalued" potential superstar that hasn't been discovered yet.

In North America, there is another issue. Multi-sport athletes would probably not go into soccer. The biggest money sport is obviously baseball. Of the largest 10 sports contracts in history, the only non-baseball player is Floyd Mayweather, a boxer. The highest paid soccer player in history? Lionel Messi, whose contract is smaller than Prince Fielder. MLS players get paid peanuts, making it hard for them to attract young athletes to focus on soccer.

However, there is a massive, undervalued group of players out there. I'm thinking Africa. Its no secret that there is a huge, huge number of athletic youth in the continent who just lacks a chance. That's why all the big sports leagues are scouting the continent, and in some cases like the MLB, establishing training camps.

Many european leagues are at an inherit disadvantage when it comes to obtaining african players.


This season, matches across Europe have been punctuated by repeated racist outbursts, which have led to calls for world governing body FIFA and European counterpart UEFA to show greater leadership and impose harsher sanctions.


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/21/sport/football/italian-football-racism-milan/index.html

As we can see, there are large numbers of racist fans in leagues like the Serie A. You can say that there are large numbers of racist elements in North America, but sports isn't one of them. Of the top 10 biggest sports contracts in the world (of which all of them are held by americans), only 3 of them are held by caucasians (although A-rod counts for 2 of the top 10).

Fans in North America love athletes who perform well, regardless of race. And this give the MLS a huge advantage when signing players are african descent.

The MLS is going to relax their homegrown player limits soon. After all, the league is expanding at such a breakneck pace, it is unrealistic to demand homegrown players, it would just water down the level of play and strain the amount of talent. They can easily focus on the African players who are undervalued and might be reluctant to go play in Europe.

3. Financially, the MLS will become a powerhouse

Financially, the MLS is doing well, and can only improve. attendance wise, the MLS broke 6 million in 2012 (with 19 teams) averaging over 18000. This means average attendance has exceeded the Skybet Championship, Primera Division Argentina and the Bundesliga 2.

With improving stadium conditions, and increasing level of play, and assuming that attendance is increasing at its current pace, MLS teams can hope to exceed the Serie A and Ligue 1 soon.

And that's just attendance. If the situation with other North American leagues is an indication, TV money is going to surge into the league soon. The NHL just signed a record TV deal with Rogers, 5.2 billion for 12 years.

that's just national TV money, local TV money is arguably an even bigger source of income. The LA dodgers just recently signed a local TV deal worth 6 -7 billion over 25 years.

Truth is, the value of sports entertainment is only going to increase for the TV industry. As you can't torrent live sports, or wait for it to show up on netflix, or tivo it and skip ads. And North America is the prime TV market.


http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28population+of+US+%2B+population+of+Canada%29 %2Fpopulation+of+spain


The population of the US and Canada is 7.53 times the population of Spain. Sure, Spanish people love soccer a lot more. But even assuming every Spanish person loves soccer, and only 20% of North Americans love soccer, there is still potential for larger TV viewership, and hence larger TV revenue.

And of course, the MLS has a salary cap based on revenue. This means that unlike many other leagues, the teams are not overspending and do not have to devote a huge amount of their revenue to debt service.

With an increase of revenue, MLS's salary cap will quickly shoot up into a competitive rage with the big European leagues (of course, assuming their payroll decreases and they can't afford their overspending anymore)




The numbers don't lie, I first laughed at the MLS for setting their goal of becoming one of the top leagues in the world. Now, I can say that they have potential, enough potential to become one of the top 3 leagues soon.

Rhodes
01-03-14, 12:51 PM
Benfica!:D

Admiral Halsey
01-03-14, 01:02 PM
They still have one major problem to overcome. Most American's don't really care about soccer at all. I being among them.(Sorry but even Baseball is more exciting then a sport that can end 0-0.)

Jimbuna
01-03-14, 01:25 PM
They still have one major problem to overcome. Most American's don't really care about soccer at all.

I can certainly agree with you there.

Herr-Berbunch
01-03-14, 01:46 PM
They still have one major problem to overcome. Most American's don't really care about soccer at all. I being among them.(Sorry but even Baseball is more exciting then a sport that can end 0-0.)

But I have noticed a significant increase in those movies based around schools/colleges for the sport played is footy (soccer to some), where previously it would be predominantly handegg. Surely Hollywood is a good barometer for the nation's tastes?

Admiral Halsey
01-03-14, 01:52 PM
But I have noticed a significant increase in those movies based around schools/colleges for the sport played is footy (soccer to some), where previously it would be predominantly handegg. Surely Hollywood is a good barometer for the nation's tastes?

How well have the movies do is a better barometer. Plus most of those movies aren't that good.

Jimbuna
01-03-14, 02:14 PM
How well have the movies do is a better barometer. Plus most of those movies aren't that good.

Just like American soccer then :O:

the_tyrant
01-03-14, 02:41 PM
You know, some day the sport will be called Soccer everywhere. :O:

After all, in a few years, the world's top league will be called Major League Soccer:D

Schroeder
01-03-14, 04:24 PM
You know, some day the sport will be called Soccer everywhere. :O:

After all, in a few years, the world's top league will be called Major League Soccer:D
BTW do you Canadians call it Football or Soccer? I mean you're part of the Commonwealth but drive on the right side and use the metric system so everything is possible.:O:

the_tyrant
01-03-14, 04:37 PM
BTW do you Canadians call it Football or Soccer? I mean you're part of the Commonwealth but drive on the right side and use the metric system so everything is possible.:O:

its soccer over here. Our association football teams are in the Major League Soccer, and our gridiron football teams are in the Canadian Football League

Jimbuna
01-03-14, 04:51 PM
its soccer over here. Our association football teams are in the Major League Soccer, and our gridiron football teams are in the Canadian Football League

We can forgive you that :smug:

the_tyrant
01-10-14, 01:24 AM
http://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2014/01/08/tfc_signs_tottenham_striker_jermain_defoe.html

What do you know, my prediction is slowly coming true!

Jimbuna
01-10-14, 09:24 AM
LOL...players tend to go to North America when there careers approach their twilight years, this helps fund their pensions :)

AndreasT
01-17-14, 06:09 PM
FOOTBALL will always, always be bigger in Europe. OK, ...OK!
The Bundesliga is financially sound. Anyway the way things are solved here when something goes bankrupt is simply making it state owned and have the taxpayer bail out the clubs.

the_tyrant
01-17-14, 06:39 PM
FOOTBALL will always, always be bigger in Europe. OK, ...OK!
The Bundesliga is financially sound. Anyway the way things are solved here when something goes bankrupt is simply making it state owned and have the taxpayer bail out the clubs.

I think the hierarchy will end up like:

1. Bundesliga

They have the money, they have the attendance, they have the prestige of being a respectable league. Sure, now people say Germans don't do well in the Champions league because they don't spend, but their fundamental financial model is solid, I have faith in the league, and I believe they will soon be the top league in the world.

2. MLS

Hey, what do you know, actually making money is good for the league. I believe the "big rich american money" will soon pour into this league, and raise its international stature.

3. Barclays Premier League (Ok, they probably have a new sponsor, Microsoft Premier League?)

Welp, they are the 2nd most financially healthy in Europe, not a good sign when half the league is on the verge of bankruptcy. How long can they last? Unless the get record breaking international TV deals, their finances are not sustainable, of course the TV money won't be coming, they are going to be the worlds 3rd best league lol.

Herr_Pete
01-18-14, 10:34 AM
All you need is SKY to go bust then the vast majority if not all the teams will be financially fooked. Ranger FC in an UBER scale :o

AndreasT
01-18-14, 10:55 AM
I have no clue about the MLS. Football in my closed minded opinion is somehow not American. Somehow it doesn't feel right.
What bothers me in this talk is the money. That so much is defined by money. Remember it is called the beautiful game. It should become the rich game. I adore football but I do not like the development. It has become very exciting in the past few years being very fast nowadays.
The champions league is very exciting but I would prefer it if the world cup would stay the most important title.
Theoretically the Arabs could have the biggest leagues, with their oil money. I think football with stay biggest in Europe in the long run since I do think it is a mentality thing. Even if a lot of stars should go to the MLS in their prime in the future, it is still a question if it compete with popularity of the home leagues in Europe. I think the people will stay domestic, and the power shift would return to Europe.