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Oberon
12-26-13, 02:37 AM
Now settle down boys and girls, and I'll give you a little lesson in diplomacy, a game that's supposed to be played between countries to stop them from blowing each other to pieces.

Now, let's say there are two countries who currently have large tensions between each other, there has been some small clashes between patrol boats and both sides have a lot of rhetoric going on.

Here's what you do not do...you do not go and visit a notorious shrine that has war criminals from the time when you raped and pillaged the other countries around you and pay tribute to not only the soldiers that died in that war but the war criminals as well. By all means do that after tensions have died down a little...but not right in the middle of it.

Shinzo Abe you big twit...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25517205

And while you're at it, fix your school history lessons!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068

:/\\!! Japan, you make some really smart stuff...but my God can your government be even more dumb than ours... :/\\!!

Betonov
12-26-13, 03:51 AM
And that when Japan car companies are making a killing by selling cars to China :doh:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101161807

STEED
12-26-13, 05:49 AM
can your government be even more dumb than ours... :/\\!!

Please do not say Japan's government is more dumb than ours, no ones government is dumb as ours is. In fact ours is so dumb even little green men from outer space are taken back. :huh: :o :haha:

TarJak
12-26-13, 06:02 AM
Please do not say Japan's government is more dumb than ours, no ones government is dumb as ours is. In fact ours is so dumb even little green men from outer space are taken back. :huh: :o :haha:

We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.:O:

Feuer Frei!
12-26-13, 06:04 AM
We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.:O:

Well, you want Crudd back do you?

Or how about Gillard?

Didn't think so :haha:

And before you say Bill Shorten...another :haha:

STEED
12-26-13, 07:06 AM
We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.:O:

No chance, ours is so dumb a new word has to be made up to describe them.

Jimbuna
12-26-13, 09:03 AM
Don't vote...it only encourages them.

Schroeder
12-26-13, 10:00 AM
Oberon, you make the mistake of talking about the art of diplomacy from a western point of view. In Asia things work differently and it seems the best diplomat is the one that pisses all other countries off the most.
Works fine for North Korea (which is best Korea of course...), China and well....Japan.

fireftr18
12-26-13, 10:50 AM
We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.:O:

Yours may take the cake, but only because ours is so dumb that we give it away, when we need it here.

vienna
12-26-13, 01:38 PM
“Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions.”

― Winston Churchill


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Jimbuna
12-26-13, 01:43 PM
Diplomacy, is the art of letting somebody else have your way.

David Frost

vienna
12-26-13, 01:54 PM
^ Liking that one...


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Oberon
12-26-13, 03:40 PM
David Frost, legend. :up:


But yes, Schroeder has a point, the Art of Diplomacy never seemed to catch on in Asia did it? I guess Mao had a point when he said 'Political power flows out of the barrel of a gun'.
Well, Japan wants guns, big guns, and it wants to remove the 'Self Defence' from its military force. I can understand this, with the PRC becoming a more dominant force in the Pacific and Japan not so sure if the US is going to be there to support it if the PRC comes calling, although Obama is playing the right cards, shifting focus from the Atlantic to Pacific, calling the PRCs bluff, standing up to the DPRK, setting up shop in Australia, but Abe has his powerbases in the right wing revisionists who see the current Japanese constitution as a humiliation forced upon it by the United States and that Japanese actions in the Second World War were not as bad as they are made out to be, so he's going to exploit this as far as he can. I can see, before this decade is out, Article Nine of the Japanese Constitution will be in the dustbin...and to be honest, I'm not so sure what to think of that...on one hand it makes a good counter-balance to the PRC to have a remilitarised Japan, we all know that they are capable of punching above their weight with a fanatical manner...but at the same time, has Japan really learnt enough not to find itself going down the same path that lead it into war with the US again? The revisionist stance it has taken in recent years in regards to its own history makes me question that...

Interesting times, as the Chinese curse goes...

TarJak
12-26-13, 05:19 PM
Well, you want Crudd back do you?

Or how about Gillard?

Didn't think so :haha:

And before you say Bill Shorten...another :haha:
No, no and no. And don't even think about mentioning the Greens...:stare:

No chance, ours is so dumb a new word has to be made up to describe them.
BossMark?:D

Schroeder
12-27-13, 01:11 PM
has Japan really learnt enough not to find itself going down the same path that lead it into war with the US again? The revisionist stance it has taken in recent years in regards to its own history makes me question that...

From my understanding they are doing everything to unlearn at the moment.:/\\!!

Catfish
12-27-13, 02:10 PM
This action from Japan, was just a calculated reaction by Japan towards China having extended its territory 'just so'.
As i have heard, some 'Cowpens' already made contact with this chinese idea of dealing with the rest of the world?

After Mao, the Tiananmen massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
and what followed, i do not think any insult towards China would be too much, or diplomatically incorrect :-?

Of course we have to behave, since China produces so much goods like Apple iPhones, or invested so heavily in western bonds, companies and territory :O: