Air Force Removed General Over Drunken Acts in Russia

[Gerald]

WASHINGTON — An Air Force general who oversaw some of the nation’s nuclear weapons was dismissed for drunken antics during an official trip to Moscow last summer, according to a http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/us/air-force-removed-general-over-drunken-behavior-in-moscow.html?smid=pl-share.

Maj. Gen. Michael J. Carey, who was removed this year as commander of the 20th Air Force, which maintains and operates the nation’s intercontinental ballistic missiles, is accused of drinking heavily, insulting his guests and other behavior “unbecoming of an officer and gentleman” during a four-day visit to Moscow in July, according to the inquiry. It was first reported by The Associated Press and The Washington Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/us/air-force-removed-general-over-drunken-behavior-in-moscow.html?ref=world

This is not good, considering how important his position was.

Note: December 20, 2013

[Herr-Berbunch]

When in Rome! :03:

[Jimbuna]

Oh the memories:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=208282

[Gerald]

It was apparently in many pages, but did I missed something when I was not here?

[Jimbuna]

Nothing other than the usual I should imagine.

Simply another topic in GT that turned a little contentious.

[Gerald]

Rgr that!

[Jimbuna]

Impersonation is the best form of flattery.

[Ducimus]

Military men, drinking while overseas, who would have thunk it. :shifty:

[Catfish]

Military men, drinking while overseas, who would have thunk it. :shifty:

Lol :)

Anyway, this is psychology on the lowest level indeed. In Russia, they check you out before they decide if you are a friend/or at least intelligent and have the 'right' point of view, or whether you are a dumb person or foe that sticks to his code and never speaks his mind or says something true.

You have to drink and tell something about your personal views, or you will never be accepted and get any information. Simple as that.
If the bean counters at home do not know that, i foresee hard times for intelligence, and also friendship across nations.

[Ducimus]

Lol :)

Anyway, this is psychology on the lowest level indeed. In Russia, they check you out before they decide if you are a friend/or at least intelligent and have the 'right' point of view, or whether you are a dumb person or foe that sticks to his code and never speaks his mind or says something true.

You have to drink and tell something about your personal views, or you will never be accepted and get any information. Simple as that.
If the bean counters at home do not know that, i foresee hard times for intelligence, and also friendship across nations.

That thought crossed my mind as well. There is that old saying, "What? Your too good to drink with us?"
Drinking is one of the more "comradely" things you can do. Ya you may embaress yoursellf a little, but it projects yourself as "one of the guys"... afterwords, doors will open that will normally be closed.

And no i didn't read all the article. Headline said it all to me as an ex blue suiter. General stuck his foot in his mouth, or was dancing on top of a table, and the USAF crucified him because it's obsessive compulsive about its public image.

[Sailor Steve]

...and the USAF crucified him because it's obsessive compulsive about its public image.
That has always been and always will be one of the problems with the military. If they stick strictly to the rules civilians will always accuse them of being hidebound and stuck in their ways. If they don't stick strictly to the rules they end up having underlings who follow that example, and without good order and discipline you can't have a properly functioning military. As with any political organization the pendulum swings from time to time, though not as far as the civilian government.

Certain standards have to be maintained, though how far to go is always the problem. If he follows regulations to the letter he may lose connections with the people he is there to get along with in the first place. It has been said that a good officer is one who knows when to disobey orders. If he doesn't follow regulations to the letter he runs the risk of losing the confidence of his superiors, as in this case. We can argue right from wrong, but where the military is concerned they have their own way of doing things, and that way includes everyone involved.

In boot camp we were told "There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way and the Navy Way!"

Once aboard ship our Chief Radioman said "There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, the Navy Way and MY WAY!" We soon learned that we did it his way. He was The Chief, and he alone was answerable to his superiors, so his orders were our law, period.

[August]

If this was a Private it wouldn't be a big deal but a General is expected to display a degree of dignity and reserve in public. In any case though cavorting with Russian KGB babes would have been severely frowned upon back in the cold war days.

[Wolferz]

" Stoofid commie bashards! <hic> Zhay couldent hang <hic> wiz ME!
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