View Full Version : This won't go down well with the UK electorate.
Jimbuna
12-08-13, 05:43 PM
'Pigs with their noses in the trough' is a saying that springs to mind during these times of austerity :nope:
Plans to award MPs an 11% pay rise have been criticised across Westminster, with one minister describing them as "utterly incomprehensible".
Parliamentary watchdog Ipsa is set to recommend a rise of £7,600 to £74,000, to come in after the 2015 election.
Ipsa does not need to get the agreement of Parliament to bring in the changes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25287108
2 questions
1. Are there any parties in the English parliament that are against this raise?
2. If it's a "no" to the first question, what can you do about it?
Markus
Tribesman
12-08-13, 06:55 PM
I think it is only fair that they get the pay rise.
After all the measures to stop them fiddling their expenses has led to a severe decline in their income
11% eh? What would they say if a union made a similar claim?
Herr-Berbunch
12-09-13, 02:47 AM
Have a heart folks, this merely enables them to afford the fuel and power for their first and second homes for the upcoming winter.
vanjast
12-09-13, 02:49 AM
Their pay rises shouldn't be more than the inflation rate !
I hope that their pay rise gives them comfort this winter.......whilst some pensioners can't afford to turn the heating up.....whilst children with kidney problems suffer because of lack of dialysis equipment.....need I say more?
Jimbuna
12-09-13, 05:22 AM
The only point in their defence is the fact that a year or so ago Westminster took such decisions out of the politicians ability to vote for the above.
Thid is now decided by an independant body who appear to be hell bent on giving them the increase.
Should this happen I would like to see a public listing of those MP's who don't donate the money to charity.
The Tory cabinet have already agreed en mass not to take the money but no surprises there as the vast majority of them are millionaires.
bertieck476
12-09-13, 05:41 AM
I think it is only fair that they get the pay rise.
After all the measures to stop them fiddling their expenses has led to a severe decline in their income
@ Tribesman, this isn't aimed at you just expanding on your quote.
Im not sure if your post is tongue in cheek or not, but what you say is right.
Uk mp's are lower paid than many other countries mp's (back benchers) and because of the reaction we have now about their wage increase, in the past there has been reluctance to raise it.
Mp's were then given the nod that it was ok to claim expenses for things in around about way to up there salary, some took this to the extreme and have paid the price. When the expenses scandal broke in an effort to clean up their act they appointed an independent body (IPSA), to review and set their salaries and there is no mechanism in place to legally reject it, although many mp's are saying they will not accept the increase.
IPSA say that with the cuts to mp's future pensions the proposed increase for 2015-16 result in a overall increase of £500,000 (650 mp's) and some people are saying that to try and appease people the latest proposal trims their pensions even more so there is no overall cost increase at all.
Jimbuna
12-09-13, 06:17 AM
See #8 and the list of examples could be far far longer.
On the radio today 87% of MP's felt they had the given right to £80,500 a year! Bloody greedy pigs they are, up the revolution the sooner the better.
Tribesman
12-09-13, 01:48 PM
@ Tribesman, this isn't aimed at you just expanding on your quote.
Im not sure if your post is tongue in cheek or not, but what you say is right.
Uk mp's are lower paid than many other countries mp's (back benchers) and because of the reaction we have now about their wage increase, in the past there has been reluctance to raise it.
Mp's were then given the nod that it was ok to claim expenses for things in around about way to up there salary, some took this to the extreme and have paid the price. When the expenses scandal broke in an effort to clean up their act they appointed an independent body (IPSA), to review and set their salaries and there is no mechanism in place to legally reject it, although many mp's are saying they will not accept the increase.
IPSA say that with the cuts to mp's future pensions the proposed increase for 2015-16 result in a overall increase of £500,000 (650 mp's) and some people are saying that to try and appease people the latest proposal trims their pensions even more so there is no overall cost increase at all.
bertieck, it was tongue in cheek.:03:
However as to your points, wages even just across Europe vary, some politicians get more than British MPs some get less.
I wouldn't object to politicians getting paid more, if they did their job well, but that is rarely the case. It is also worth noting that what they have is in effect a well paid part time job with long holidays and huge fringe benefits, most of them still hold another job, or several so in reality it as a huge wage they get .
One thing worth considering concerning your point about their wages not keeping up and hence the need to raise it.
Look at the following graph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10173107/MPs-pay-rise-how-politicians-pay-has-risen-quicker-than-the-workers.html :hmmm:
Catfish
12-09-13, 02:35 PM
:yeah:
It is necessary to fund politicians and secret services well, so they are less prone to bribery.
I see Toff Boy is trying to be the good guy, what bull. Deep inside he must be going off like a volcano along with the rest of those pigs.
Jimbuna
12-12-13, 08:56 AM
I see Toff Boy is trying to be the good guy, what bull. Deep inside he must be going off like a volcano along with the rest of those pigs.
I'm sure David will put a little something inside a xmas card for you in a week or so :cool:
Here's a story from the beginning of the 90'ies
The Swedish government told the Swedish workers to keep wage agreement under 2% if I remember correctly ended the contract with a salary increase of 1.8%
This was important because the country's economic condition, we was told.
About 6-8 months later, the politicians gave themselves a 15% pay rise.
It was absolutely not a popular action.
Markus
Jimbuna
12-12-13, 04:28 PM
Politicians the world over seldom differ.
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