Post-Scotland flag

[Jimbuna]

I found thid article quite interesting...What would the union jack look like if the Scottish bit were removed?

Scotland's referendum on independence is now just over 10 months away, but the question of what might happen to the union jack has been largely overlooked. An association of flag experts, or vexillologists, has created a set of designs it hopes will encourage a discussion.

Some 400 years ago when the crowns of England and Scotland were united, an argument raged about how the blue field and white saltire of St Andrew could be combined with the red cross of St George.

The Scots were eager that their flag should be laid on top of the English flag, but of course the English thought it should be the other way around. It took a Royal proclamation to determine that the English flag should take precedence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017

[Aktungbby]

Really like the third choice down with the Scottish lion still in (clan Kincaid here) but with a Welch Dragon in the lower right instead of three lions; inasmuch as the heir apparent IS also Prince of Wales. Is it not PC in Britain to refer to the LEO transport to the constabulary as a 'PADDY' wagon' if a Welch detainee is involved? :oops::D

[mapuc]

Maybe not the right place.

I know that there are fanatical Scottish people that have been asking/hopping for a independent Scotland

Will these people respect the result of a referendum, even if it' s a negativ result(stil being a part of the commonwealth or Union Jack)?

Markus

[Madox58]

I'll post a suggestion.
:haha:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Stuff/Scotland.jpg

[TarJak]

In reality as the article explains there is no need to change the union flag as Scotland will remain subject to the British monarch and it is the union of the crowns that gave rise to the flag in the first place. 300 years before parliamentary union.

[Madox58]

In reality as the article explains there is no need to change the union flag
You gotta fancy flag. Why can't the Scot's?
:D
(remember. I'm a U.S. citizen and I don't even know WTH is going on in my own country, let alone figure out your crazy rules)

[Jimbuna]

Maybe not the right place.

I know that there are fanatical Scottish people that have been asking/hopping for a independent Scotland

Will these people respect the result of a referendum, even if it' s a negativ result(stil being a part of the commonwealth or Union Jack)?

Markus

The hardcore element of Scotland won't but it ids the first time the SNP have had a majority vote.

I say let them go but they must take their fair share of the national debt, sort out their own currency and their defence.

[Ducimus]

Ok, so I'm just a dumb yank who probably couldn't tell you the difference between "England" and "United Kingdom"; but ahh, is Scotland thinking about leaving the UK to form it's own independent country or something?

[Jimbuna]

Ok, so I'm just a dumb yank who probably couldn't tell you the difference between "England" and "United Kingdom"; but ahh, is Scotland thinking about leaving the UK to form it's own independent country or something?

I certainly don't consider you as some 'dumb yank' (and that's not a proposal to marriage) but yes...the SNP (Scottish National Party) are having their first taste of holding a majority in the Scottish Parliament so they now want independance.

[Madox58]

Can us U.S.A. people offer to take thier place?
:hmmm:

[Cybermat47]

Can us U.S.A. people offer to take thier place?
:hmmm:

You want to be ruled by Britain again? Rethinking your independance? :hmmm:

Can't say I blame you :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/7246/0cwv.jpg

[Ducimus]

I certainly don't consider you as some 'dumb yank' (and that's not a proposal to marriage) but yes...the SNP (Scottish National Party) are having their first taste of holding a majority in the Scottish Parliament so they now want independance.

Wow, at least that certainly sounds ehh... ground breaking? Here in the US, such a thing would be earth shattering. In fact, if my knowledge of history is correct, and I'm understanding this current event correctly, I think we had a somewhat similar thing happen here around 1861? It didn't go very well. Or would that be blowing it all out of proportion?

Can us U.S.A. people offer to take thier place?
:hmmm:
You want to be ruled by Britain again? Rethinking your independance? :hmmm:

Can't say I blame you :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/7246/0cwv.jpg

http://discoveringdifferent.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/oh-hell-no.jpg

[Red October1984]

You want to be ruled by Britain again? Rethinking your independance? :hmmm:

Can't say I blame you :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/7246/0cwv.jpg

Ducimus, I'm stealing your picture. :stare:

http://discoveringdifferent.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/oh-hell-no.jpg

50 Stars 13 Bars ...... AMERICA!

[Ducimus]

50 Stars 13 Bars ...... AMERICA!

Call me a heretic if you want, but I wouldn't mind it if we removed a star or two.

[Red October1984]

Call me a heretic if you want, but I wouldn't mind it if we removed a star or two.

California, Florida, and Illinois? :yeah: :har: (No offense to people in those states, but I don't like the states too much)

They'd have to change the saying to 47 Stars...

Actually, we say that we'd like to lose some states, but deep down I don't think anybody does. And I think it would never happen. It would take something that citizens here could actually unite on to split a state from the main country.

The whole Scotland deal though, I wasn't aware that things were that way between Scotland and the England.

I always thought you guys were all hunky dory over there with the exception of Ireland (which I understand is a very sore subject so I won't go there).

[Cybermat47]

Call me a heretic if you want, but I wouldn't mind it if we removed a star or two.

Ah... Nevada, UFO central.

[Sailor Steve]

I like some, I don't like others. If I had a vote it would be this one:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/_71518678_flaginstitute_unitedbritain3_zps73a07586 .jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/_71518678_flaginstitute_unitedbritain3_zps73a07586 .jpg.html)

Just for the :doh: factor. :rock:

[Cybermat47]

I like some, I don't like others. If I had a vote it would be this one:

*Picture of the Drug flag*

Just for the :doh: factor. :rock:


I really don't like that one. Looks like it was made by someone who was high.

Wales should have a bigger role if there's a new flag :rock:

[Tchocky]

Didn't change the flag in 1922 so there's historical precedent for leaving it alone.

[Aktungbby]

but with a Welch Dragon in the lower right instead of three lions; inasmuch as the heir apparent IS also Prince of Wales. Is it not PC in Britain to refer to the LEO transport to the constabulary as a 'PADDY' wagon' if a Welch detainee is involved? :oops::D

Wales should have a bigger role if there's a new flag

Thanks for paddying the argument!:03:

[Herr-Berbunch]

50 stars, 13 bars. Is that another new reality show for xyz-rated celebs?

[Sailor Steve]

50 stars, 13 bars. Is that another new reality show for xyz-rated celebs?
Hmm. That's only 3 stars in each bar, with 11 stars left to decide which bar to attend. Of course they could all be bar-hopping, so at any given time there would be 3.8461538 stars in any one bar. They might have family, loved ones and friends with them, which could shake things up a bit. There still should be plenty of room for fans to follow them around.

[Lionclaw]

Hmm. That's only 3 stars in each bar, with 11 stars left to decide which bar to attend. Of course they could all be bar-hopping, so at any given time there would be 3.8461538 stars in any one bar. They might have family, loved ones and friends with them, which could shake things up a bit. There still should be plenty of room for fans to follow them around.

3 stars + 11/13 of a star. :hmmm:

Would that be a partially amputated star or not as famous as the other 3? :hmm2:

:O:

Edit: Whoops, read it wrong. 39 stars and 11 which can decide where to go. I only focused on the 3.846... bit.

[Jimbuna]

Can us U.S.A. people offer to take thier place?
:hmmm:

Afraid not...we've a big enough immigration problem of our own already.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I was thinking more like all in one bar, then all in the next, and so on.

[Jimbuna]

I really don't like that one. Looks like it was made by someone who was high.

Wales should have a bigger role if there's a new flag :rock:

That would depend on the dimensions of the flag and the number of leeks and sheep that could be fitted in.

Scotland is a larger land mass than Wales but has a population of just over 5 million where the Welsh population is a little over 3 million and the English population is almost 54 million.

[Aktungbby]

Hmm. That's only 3 stars in each bar, with 11 stars left to decide which bar to attend. Of course they could all be bar-hopping, so at any given time there would be 3.8461538 stars in any one bar. They might have family, loved ones and friends with them, which could shake things up a bit. There still should be plenty of room for fans to follow them around.

I was thinking more like all in one bar, then all in the next, and so on.

That would depend on the dimensions ...and the number of leeks... that could be fitted in.
And if they're all drinkin' HAMM'S ... that's a whol' lotta leeks a' leekn' :woot:
(3 moderators!...gone to the dark side of the force):rotfl2:

[MGR1]

The hardcore element of Scotland won't but it ids the first time the SNP have had a majority vote.

I say let them go but they must take their fair share of the national debt, sort out their own currency and their defence.

Your not getting rid of us that easily, Jim!:03:

Pretty much everyone I know is voting NO due to the fact that the SNP can't find it's backside with a map on policy where independence is concerned.

To much wishful thinking in it's "White Paper" for most people's liking.

We want hard, solid facts, not rhetoric. And we aren't getting hard, solid facts in any way.....:down:

Mind you, the YES campaign isn't doing a great job either. I think that's mainly due to Alistair Darling's patronising manner.:down:

Mike.

[Penguin]

What I don't get is why would the Scots keep the Queen as head of the state? (Not that I get why other Commonwealth countries kept her either)


I like some, I don't like others. If I had a vote it would be this one:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/_71518678_flaginstitute_unitedbritain3_zps73a07586 .jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/_71518678_flaginstitute_unitedbritain3_zps73a07586 .jpg.html)

Just for the :doh: factor. :rock:

This looks like a weird conglomerate of the flags of the WW1 powers.

[Cybermat47]

Your not getting rid of us that easily, Jim!:03:


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Indian-Crying.gif

[Oberon]

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Flag_of_The_Holy_Empire_of_Britannia.svg/500px-Flag_of_The_Holy_Empire_of_Britannia.svg.png

[Cybermat47]

^^^

Lion + Snake = Love

And Snions.

[Tango589]

^^^

Lion + Snake = Love

And Snions.

Either Snions or Lakes...:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Your not getting rid of us that easily, Jim!:03:

Pretty much everyone I know is voting NO due to the fact that the SNP can't find it's backside with a map on policy where independence is concerned.

To much wishful thinking in it's "White Paper" for most people's liking.

We want hard, solid facts, not rhetoric. And we aren't getting hard, solid facts in any way.....:down:

Mind you, the YES campaign isn't doing a great job either. I think that's mainly due to Alistair Darling's patronising manner.:down:

Mike.

I fully agree but what is of concern in my way of thinking is the fact the SNP have achieved one goal already....allowing sixteen year olds and above to vote. They know full well they can convince a younger population who have been spoon fed the SNP diatribe since their ability to take notice of anything regarding current affairs.

Reverse the situation...spoon feed sixteen year old Brits an anti Scottish argument for three years or more then have a vote. The Union wouldn't have a chance of maintaining its current form.

I hope the vote for independance falls but should it not, Scotland or should I say mad Alex and his gang, have a reality check coming soon after regarding taxation, jobs, currency, defence, national debt and membership of NATO and the EU etc. etc.

[Aktungbby]

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Flag_of_The_Holy_Empire_of_Britannia.svg/500px-Flag_of_The_Holy_Empire_of_Britannia.svg.png

The lion and serpent rampant/entwined with birds o'paradise a' twitter on a field noir sumounting the cross of St George on a field azure with the Crown imperial surmounting all(in bed of lettuce?)! Ever the Escutcheoner you ol' time Herald!:up:

[MGR1]

I fully agree but what is of concern in my way of thinking is the fact the SNP have achieved one goal already....allowing sixteen year olds and above to vote. They know full well they can convince a younger population who have been spoon fed the SNP diatribe since their ability to take notice of anything regarding current affairs.

Reverse the situation...spoon feed sixteen year old Brits an anti Scottish argument for three years or more then have a vote. The Union wouldn't have a chance of maintaining its current form.

I hope the vote for independance falls but should it not, Scotland or should I say mad Alex and his gang, have a reality check coming soon after regarding taxation, jobs, currency, defence, national debt and membership of NATO and the EU etc. etc.

Maybe a bit pessimistic, Jim. One story that's doing the rounds up here is that because of social media, teenage Scots feel more British than Scottish:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10484802/Teenage-Scots-feel-British-thanks-to-the-Internet.html

There's also a deep skepticism about the SNP's policies in that age group as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24140752

However, even if the SNP lose the vote, which is extremely likely, I can't really see Scottish Labour getting back in at the next election for the Scottish Parliament.

It's current leader, Johann Lamont can only be decribed as a complete pleb.

This article's a diatribe, but if you get past the guff it sums up Lamont perfectly:

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/8163-the-emergence-of-the-britscot-and-the-rise-in-anti-scottish-sentiment

She's a non-entity who's no match for Salmond and the same goes for the leaders of the other parties. They just don't have the experience or political nuance to ride herd on him.:down:

I personally think that devolution in the UK is one sided. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have their own legislative assemblies.

What does England have?

Nothing of it's own - it has to share Westminster with the other three.

This means that non-English MP's can vote on English affairs that the English MP's can't vote on in the other three countries - healthcare, schools etc. Labour is arguably the worst offender as it has a substantial number of non-English MP's.:down:

What this country needs is proper devolution for all and that means an English Parliament for English affairs.:up: Rebuild Westminster as proper a proper federal body, similar to what Australia and Canada have.

Devolution is working for Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland.

It's about time England had it as well.:rock:

What say the English?

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

What say the English?

Mike.

"FIRE AT WILL" :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2dE74RiFqA

[Dread Knot]

I personally think that devolution in the UK is one sided. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have their own legislative assemblies.

What does England have?

Nothing of it's own - it has to share Westminster with the other three.


I just wonder how long it will take for a future independent Scotland to find itself in a similar situation, with the islands and highlands complaining Holyrood is all about Edinburgh and Glasgow, and demanding its own parliament.

[Herr-Berbunch]

It's about time England had it as well.:rock:

What say the English?

How do I vote for you? :yeah:

[mapuc]

In 1989 Denmark had a referendum, where the Danish people were asked if Denmark should be a part of the Eu internal market. The Danish people voted no.

Somehow the Danish Parliament couldn't respect this, so they negotiated a new deal with EU. Denmark got 4 reservations.

In 1993 Denmark had a new referendum about the same, but this time, without this four reservations

The Danish people voted yes this time(guessed it was 53 % that said yes)

There was a hardcore groups of anti-EU people in Denmark, they couldn't take this "yes" so they went on the street and started to destroy things

This demonstration evolved into pure street fighting between the protesters and the police. For the first time since the second world war, The Danish police, was forced to draw weapons and shoot at civilians in order to protect the victim and themselves.

Why I wrote this?

I hope that it will not go so far in Scotland, if it will be a yes or a no

Markus