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http://gizmodo.com/for-20-years-the-nuclear-launch-code-at-us-minuteman-si-1473483587
Ten out of ten for imagination, still, could have been worse, could have been 12345678, at least 00000000 is quicker. :O:
u crank
11-30-13, 09:45 AM
Oh. Oh my. :O:
Schroeder
11-30-13, 09:47 AM
That code is as good as any other.:hmph:
Wolferz
11-30-13, 10:31 AM
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/wopr_real.jpg
:huh::huh::huh::huh:
Skybird
11-30-13, 11:58 AM
" Gee, I'm so bored... [tap-tap-tap-tap]... so very bored... [tap-tap-tap-tap]... such a boring day... [tap-tap-tap-tap] "
Aktungbby
11-30-13, 01:03 PM
'OOOO, its' BOnOmOs' (egad! I've really dated myself):salute:
Platapus
11-30-13, 01:14 PM
A nice story, but also not true.
What the author of the article was confusing was the security lockout code, which was set to zeros. This is completely different and separate from any launch code.
The intent was that if a silo was undergoing maintenance, the equipment would be locked out with a combination lock. To ensure that in case of war, that a silo could be operated despite any safety concerns, it was decided that all equipment lockout codes on the launch equipment would be set to all zeros. This would ensure that all maintenance and operations personnel to be able to unlock any locked out equipment.
I would opine that the author of the Gizmodo article is not very knowledgeable in nuclear weapon procedures.
But in his or her defense, this story has been circulating for quite a while and all the authors simply repeat the same confusion between a launch code (which is a combination of letters and numbers) and equipment lockout codes (which are all numbers).
But in his or her defense, this story has been circulating for quite a while and all the authors simply repeat the same confusion between a launch code (which is a combination of letters and numbers) and equipment lockout codes (which are all numbers).
I did ponder, after all in most nuclear launch scenarios you do hear a numeric and alphabetic combination code broadcast to the launch platforms, however I presumed (which goes to show where that gets you) that this article was based before that particular system came into place.
That being said, did the equipment lockout include the red box where the codes were kept, and the keys for the ignition sequence?
Jimbuna
11-30-13, 02:46 PM
A nice story, but also not true.
What the author of the article was confusing was the security lockout code, which was set to zeros. This is completely different and separate from any launch code.
The intent was that if a silo was undergoing maintenance, the equipment would be locked out with a combination lock. To ensure that in case of war, that a silo could be operated despite any safety concerns, it was decided that all equipment lockout codes on the launch equipment would be set to all zeros. This would ensure that all maintenance and operations personnel to be able to unlock any locked out equipment.
I would opine that the author of the Gizmodo article is not very knowledgeable in nuclear weapon procedures.
But in his or her defense, this story has been circulating for quite a while and all the authors simply repeat the same confusion between a launch code (which is a combination of letters and numbers) and equipment lockout codes (which are all numbers).
Thanks for the update, I was beginning to get worried.
Catfish
11-30-13, 03:25 PM
http://gizmodo.com/for-20-years-the-nuclear-launch-code-at-us-minuteman-si-1473483587
Ten out of ten for imagination, still, could have been worse, could have been 12345678, at least 00000000 is quicker. :O:
:huh:
:hmm2:
Good they didn't use ноль ноль ноль ...
Nothing beats a bright (military) mind :rotfl2:
Thanks for the update, I was beginning to get worried.
If it's any consolation Jim, our freefall nuclear warheads were armed by a bicycle lock key (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7097101.stm).
Jimbuna
11-30-13, 05:05 PM
If it's any consolation Jim, our freefall nuclear warheads were armed by a bicycle lock key (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7097101.stm).
Yes, I well remember that :o
Sailor Steve
11-30-13, 05:08 PM
A nice story, but also not true.
You know, some of us really dislike getting smacked upside the head with a reality stick. :stare:
Me? All I can say is "Thanks! I needed that!" :D
Catfish
11-30-13, 05:59 PM
It is good to see how safe we have been, all through the cold war.
Yes i know it was 'just a security or maintenance code', not the 'real' one.
Why then use a code at all. :hmmm:
Karle94
11-30-13, 08:04 PM
:huh:
:hmm2:
Good they didn't use ноль ноль ноль ...
Nothing beats a bright (military) mind :rotfl2:
Nolv, is that russian for zero?
Platapus
12-01-13, 08:49 AM
That being said, did the equipment lockout include the red box where the codes were kept, and the keys for the ignition sequence?
No.
The launch codes (note plural) are kept in a separately secured container, secured with a combination that is changed way too often.
The maintenance lockout is very simular to the safety lockouts used in civilian industry. It is a way to lock out a circuit or a piece of machinery so that someone does not turn it on/operate it while maintenance is underway.
The intent of the lockout is not to physically prevent someone from operating something, but more for informing them.
The lockout can be a padlock or can be an electronic lockout on a control panel. I don't think getting into too much detail about what goes on in the launch silos and LCFs really helps.
BTW, depending on the article, the number of zeros changes. There is one story that has the code at twelve zeros! That is one big lock!!!
No.
The launch codes (note plural) are kept in a separately secured container, secured with a combination that is changed way too often.
The maintenance lockout is very simular to the safety lockouts used in civilian industry. It is a way to lock out a circuit or a piece of machinery so that someone does not turn it on/operate it while maintenance is underway.
The intent of the lockout is not to physically prevent someone from operating something, but more for informing them.
The lockout can be a padlock or can be an electronic lockout on a control panel. I don't think getting into too much detail about what goes on in the launch silos and LCFs really helps.
BTW, depending on the article, the number of zeros changes. There is one story that has the code at twelve zeros! That is one big lock!!!
Ah, good good. I have a clue about how most of the cycle goes, but obviously since the most recent LCPs are most likely still classified then a) details will be hard to get anyway and b) it's probably best to not really dig too deep anyway. Although to be honest, actually getting into a silo without clearance would be nigh on impossible anyway.
I find the whole SIOP process and the American retaliatory system in the Cold War very fascinating, especially when it comes down to the Continuation of Government system and NECAP (or NOAC as it's known now).
Compared to our system, which constituted throwing the government underground in a pretty well known location, with some backups on the Royal Yacht Britannia, the Queen would be thrown at Canada, if she decided to leave Buck House (which I doubt she would, in which case Charles would have gone instead). Flushing the bombers, if any survived, to do their bit in Scandinavia, and our boomers would have opened their letters which, depending on the PM, gave them permission to either fire back, place themselves under US command or to use their own judgment.
Platapus
12-01-13, 11:15 AM
Although to be honest, actually getting into a silo without clearance would be nigh on impossible anyway.
We had some anti-nuke protesters hop the fences at one of our Titan silos (clearly this was many years ago) and start trying to break through the blast door with sledgehammers.
Because it was more than a simple trespassing, my EOD team had to respond. There was no hurry, it would have taken them about a hundred years to even put a significant dent in the 110 ton blast door. :D
But then, they were really not serious about breaking. However, the government was serious with charging them with damaging military equipment. :yep:
Protip: If you want to protest, protest. Don't start damaging equipment. If you protest, you will be let go after a few hours. These people weren't. :nope:
We had some anti-nuke protesters hop the fences at one of our Titan silos (clearly this was many years ago) and start trying to break through the blast door with sledgehammers.
Because it was more than a simple trespassing, my EOD team had to respond. There was no hurry, it would have taken them about a hundred years to even put a significant dent in the 110 ton blast door. :D
But then, they were really not serious about breaking. However, the government was serious with charging them with damaging military equipment. :yep:
Protip: If you want to protest, protest. Don't start damaging equipment. If you protest, you will be let go after a few hours. These people weren't. :nope:
It made my angry, when I read your post.
It's....so low...animal behaviour
Why didn't they use their democraty rights?
They could, as you wrote-protest
They could try to affect the politician
They could try to convinced other to vote on this or this person in a Presidential election
They could create their own party and run for power in a future election.
They have so many possibility-destroying dead and living things is absolutly not one of them.
Markus
Catfish
12-01-13, 05:19 PM
Why didn't they use their democraty rights?
Maybe they tried before, and were not heard?
Maybe they had tried the means they were given, but had no chance as long as they were playing by the book ? You know those in charge do not.
As posted in another forum:
In the world we live in, where an alpha animal with razors at the elbows is the boss and in charge, no intelligent and naturally reluctant intelligent young man (and being a real team player), will get past this a$$hole.
Unless at some point he decides to act similarly, or to even kill.
Intelligent people have mostly suffered under dumb animals, all along history. There is a difference between real intelligence, and some clever behaviour to keep a position in society following the (self-made) rules. Intelligent people mostly have no understanding of what makes those animals tick, nor can they understand or imagine the dumbness of some.
I think they wanted to bring that to the public, and while i do not think they acted wisely, they probably saw it as their only chance.
Maybe they tried before, and were not heard?
Maybe they had tried the means they were given, but had no chance as long as they were playing by the book ? You know those in charge do not.
As posted in another forum:
In the world we live in, where an alpha animal with razors at the elbows is the boss and in charge, no intelligent and naturally reluctant intelligent young man (and being a real team player), will get past this a$$hole.
Unless at some point he decides to act similarly, or to even kill.
Intelligent people have mostly suffered under dumb animals, all along history. There is a difference between real intelligence, and some clever behaviour to keep a position in society following the (self-made) rules. Intelligent people mostly have no understanding of what makes those animals tick, nor can they understand or imagine the dumbness of some.
I think they wanted to bring that to the public, and while i do not think they acted wisely, they probably saw it as their only chance.
I doubt that. Knowing this from my own country Sweden and from Denmark
Here an good example
Som rightwing groups want to make some demostration and as sure as 110 % these leftwings or the autonomous is there to fight those rightwings, the police and to make as much destruction as possible.
Markus
Maybe they tried before, and were not heard?
Or maybe they were heard but their message was just rejected as are most impractical suggestions.
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Intelligent people mostly have no understanding of what makes those animals tick, nor can they understand or imagine the dumbness of some.
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So, maybe not that intelligent after all ... ? :hmmm:
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Platapus
12-03-13, 05:10 PM
It is one thing to have the right to express your opinions to the government.
It is another thing to expect the government to always change due to your opinions.
I think that is not being understood by some of the protesters.
Part of being part of a democratic type of society is accepting that things won't always go your way, no matter how convinced you are of being right.
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