Illegal Immigrants heckle the President...he handled something in a classy manner

[Bubblehead1980]

This was a disgusting display, the gall of illegal immigrants to speak out, they do not have the rights, they have no rights but to get on a bus, boat, plane, or train back where they belong. Worse yet, not understanding how the system works, they implored him to abuse his power as President and while his answer about our system etc was just his typical CYA since he has no problem abusing executive orders to accomplish his goals, Obama handled their rude display in a classy manner.These are the kind of people some want amnesty for? Give me a break.

The Dems play a better long game in most cases than the Republicans do, I have only recently became aware of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, they knew in the future they would need shifting demographics to buy into their race baiting bs, so managed to pass it.This along with decades of allowing illegal immigration has lead to a demographics shift that is responsible for many of our problems.

This is not racist, but am sure some will start crying racism here soon.One huge problem this country faces is we basically no longer have a national identity as we once did.Also, unlike many immigrants of the past, most seem to feel they are entitled to be here, that this country owes them something, and they seek to assimilate this country to their culture, no assimilate to ours. I think of many cuban immigrants who talk about how their parents insisted they speak english only, no spanish.Yet now days if in areas with heavy hispanic presence, hear spanish constantly, same with asian, arabs etc .See illegals out in the streets protesting.Worse part is so many bleeding hearts and the politicans they support who see easy, gullible votes, give in to them.There was a border rush incident recently in San Diego, over 100 immigrants attempting to enter illegally, throwing rocks and bottles at border patrol agents.They should have been shot for attacking the border, end of story.


I am for legal immigration but things are out of control and any so called reform from this president and democratic senate will be nothing more than the final nail in the coffin.Tolerance is a good thing, but we have been so tolerant of things for so long, it will be our undoing.

[Tchocky]

We're not saying that anyone not speaking English is an illegal immigrant, are we?

[Armistead]

Forget this issue being solved, 12 million and counting, impossible to deal with and now a major voting block with those legal. The GOP is now courting this block and has no choice but to do so.

The best we can do is block the border, but that ain't happening either.

[Stealhead]

The story of person that heckled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UktXJIeB1tg

I have mixed opinions to me it depends on the individual situation like in this guys case his parents came here illegally and brought him with them as a child.Is it really fair to make him back to a place he does not really know just because of something his parents he sounds like a half way decent person to me do we want to get rid of people like this or give them a chance to make things right?

Without having a very strictly controlled society like the Soviet Bloc it is very hard to have enough control over your borders to be able to stop the majority of illegal immigration.The other fact that people ignore is that the majority from Mexico and Central America those people are coming here because companies are employing them it is as simply as that and they are saving millions of dollars doing so.These people are not taking blue collar or white collar jobs they are taking low wage jobs that other people will not do for the pay.Companies are to blame in the long run but people never want admit that.



Sounds like he will become Bubbleheads worst enemy he wants to become a lawyer.

[Admiral Halsey]

The best we can do is block the border, but that ain't happening either.

I hate to say this but we need our own Berlin wall on the border.

[Stealhead]

I hate to say this but we need our own Berlin wall on the border.


You seem to forget that the Berlin wall was designed to keep people in.You think it is a wise idea to place thousands of guards along the border who can be bribed to look the other way it is already a problem in the Border Patrol they have to randomly shift personal all the time to try and curtail bribes.

An easier and much cheaper solution is to force these corporations who employe theses illegal to obey the law and stop paying these people under the table.

[Admiral Halsey]

You seem to forget that the Berlin wall was designed to keep people in. You think it is a wise idea to place thousands of guards along the border who can be bribed to look the other way it is already a problem in the Border Patrol they have to randomly shift personal all the time to try and curtail bribes.

It's better then what we have protecting the border now.

[Stealhead]

Like I said enforce the laws and bust heads at the places the willingly employ the illegals in droves problem solved.But they will never do that because that would effect the profit margins and those companies would lobby congress.


The illegals are here because they can find jobs easily enforce the law and punish the ones giving them jobs and they will stop coming.

ICE never punishes the employer at all beyond minor fines.Back in 1993 in the county in Florida where I lived at the time the agricultural industry used nearly 90% illegals for their labor force.The guys that owned these farm they where paying for the illegals to come sending people to Mexico to recruit people hiring some a foreman who in addition to the work also managed housing in which the worker where billeted.It was a complete criminal enterprise.this is how it rolls all over the country and not just in agribusiness.

What did they do?(and still do) they sent the illegals home a made the owners pay a measly fine which was a drop in the bucket compared to the millions they save by employing illegals.It is a racket and they get away with it.All those growers are still in business to this day doing the exact same thing and they have power make no mistake about that Dole and Del-Monte just to name a few of the big players you can't touch them.

[TarJak]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Or not as the case may be.

[Cybermat47]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Or not as the case may be.

:haha:

[Onkel Neal]

Forget this issue being solved, 12 million and counting, impossible to deal with and now a major voting block with those legal. The GOP is now courting this block and has no choice but to do so.

The best we can do is block the border, but that ain't happening either.

I say, open the borders, anyone who wants in, come on. We're way past the tipping point. Let's see what 50 million Central and South American immigrants does to our culture and economy. It's not fair to those abiding our laws, trying to get in legally, but laws in this country are becoming a relic. So, yeah, we should stop restricting immigration completely.

[les green01]

what is bad where i use to live at this farm family use illegles for years didn't stop until the woman decided to run for congress and yes she won and as a replubican so congress wont do nothing anyway and besides both partys are only interested in votes and not what is good for the country

[Bubblehead1980]

We're not saying that anyone not speaking English is an illegal immigrant, are we?

No, not what I was saying at all.

[Bubblehead1980]

The story of person that heckled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UktXJIeB1tg

I have mixed opinions to me it depends on the individual situation like in this guys case his parents came here illegally and brought him with them as a child.Is it really fair to make him back to a place he does not really know just because of something his parents he sounds like a half way decent person to me do we want to get rid of people like this or give them a chance to make things right?

Without having a very strictly controlled society like the Soviet Bloc it is very hard to have enough control over your borders to be able to stop the majority of illegal immigration.The other fact that people ignore is that the majority from Mexico and Central America those people are coming here because companies are employing them it is as simply as that and they are saving millions of dollars doing so.These people are not taking blue collar or white collar jobs they are taking low wage jobs that other people will not do for the pay.Companies are to blame in the long run but people never want admit that.



Sounds like he will become Bubbleheads worst enemy he wants to become a lawyer.


Everyone has a sob story, but his parents came here illegally, brought him in illegally, we have to draw a line.Now, taxpayers have paid for him to go to school all these years K-12, now he he goes to that joke circus known as Berkeley, filling some actual citizen's spot and yes some law school will let him in, taking the place of an actual US citizen trying to get in, he, along with his parents need to be deported, can try to come back legally.I know some people who spent years and thousands of dollars to come here, they DESPISE the illegals, they played by the rules, but those who did not want a free pass.The only people entitled to be here are US citizens born here, everyone else is let in at our discretion, those who come here illegally are breaking the laws, and causing many problems from to crime to undercutting the labor market.

My worst nightmare? Yea, people that like have no place getting an education place of a US citizen.Just angers me, the gall of these people to think they are entitled to something and the bleeding hearts who support them.

Obama showed some class for once in how he handled this, his secret service thugs were about to haul this guy off, obama let him stay.Sad thing is, if it were an actual US citizen from the right yelling about obamacare, he would probably not have stopped them but he showed class in this moment.

[Bubblehead1980]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Or not as the case may be.


signs reads "No Vacancy" now, we have too many people in this country, resources are spread thin.We allow legal immigration but those who violate our laws, come here illegally, do not belong here.

[Armistead]

My wife's sister was a speech therapist for kids with speech disorders in pubic schools. It wasn't long her class was full of kids that couldn't speak English. She was soon replaced by a teacher to teach the illegals. They moved her class to the weekend, then dropped it due to budget cuts the following year.

[TarJak]

signs reads "No Vacancy" now, we have too many people in this country, resources are spread thin.We allow legal immigration but those who violate our laws, come here illegally, do not belong here.

Ah well I'm sure a big neon sign at the border saying bugger off all non Americans will be just as effective as what you have now.

[Tribesman]

This was a disgusting display, the gall of illegal immigrants to speak out, they do not have the rights, they have no rights but to get on a bus, boat, plane, or train back where they belong.
How's law school?
Were you asleep during your lessons?

[Bubblehead1980]

How's law school?
Were you asleep during your lessons?

Going well thanks. I know they actually have some rights, they are people after all.However, they feel that they are entitled to same rights as a citizen, when they are not and are in fact breaking the law by being here, the gall to protest, etc it's just disgusting.

[Tribesman]

Going well thanks. I know they actually have some rights, they are people after all.
Then why parrot that extremist nonsense you started with if you know it is not true?
It only makes your argument look silly.

[Bubblehead1980]

Then why parrot that extremist nonsense you started with if you know it is not true?
It only makes your argument look silly.


Not nonsense.While they are human beings, does not mean they are entitled to to be in this country or get anything but a ticket home, as they have zero respect for our laws and sovereignty.Their children they put at risk by bringing here illegally are victims of this mess but still do not belong here.Life is not fair, there are plenty of actual citizens in the US suffering because of illegal immigrants.From average joe's wages being lower to due to illegals undercutting the labor market, to countless rapes, murders, robberies, DUI, vehicle accidents, to straining any already strained education, health, and welfare system, they simply do not belong and no right to be here.All the bleeding hearts need to start worrying about our own citizens and not illegal immigrants, other than sending them back.When I say they have no rights, I do not mean in the legal sense they have not rights, more in a metaphorical sense.Certainly a sad statement on our culture when an illegal immigrant feels it is okay to heckle the President on national tv and openly admit he is illegal, (afterwards he should have been detained, then deported) demand the president abuse his power to grant amnesty since it can't get through congress.Illegals should be so scared to death they very few would dare be here illegally, it's one of the few things where I am okay with heavy handed tactics. Heavily armed guards in all areas of borders, helicopter gunships that shoot if they cross the border, land mines, free fire orders on incidents such as the one in san diego recently where they rushed the border, assaulted Border Patrol.Illegal Immigration is one of the major threats to the future of this country, we have tolerated it for far too long.

[Tribesman]

Not nonsense
Complete nonsense.
But even better , in attempting to defend the extremist nonsense you started with you go full on crazy extremist in that post.
Never go full on crazy extremist, it just makes your arguments look silly.
It is funny really, you complain about the DHS having body armour and armoured cars and guns and bullets , yet now you want them to have helicopter gunships so they can kill suspects on sight:rotfl2:

[AVGWarhawk]

The illegals have become a fabric of our society. In as such, instead of fighting to send them out our efforts should be on integrating and full citizenship. I don't want to hear they are a scourge and take from the tax payers. There are plenty of legals doing the same and contribute zero to society monetarily or physically.

You see, IMO, many of these folks come to embetter their lives. The ones I see and deal with daily work hard. Who am I to stop them from obtaining what everyone wants in America? Safety, security and a future. Not much unlike those that passed through Ellis Island.

My issue is they have become a political pawn and those blowhards in DC pander for their votes. It is quite sickening really.

[Bubblehead1980]

Complete nonsense.
But even better , in attempting to defend the extremist nonsense you started with you go full on crazy extremist in that post.
Never go full on crazy extremist, it just makes your arguments look silly.
It is funny really, you complain about the DHS having body armour and armoured cars and guns and bullets , yet now you want them to have helicopter gunships so they can kill suspects on sight:rotfl2:


Border security only.Defending the borders is not extreme...

[Herr-Berbunch]

Illegal immigrants? Wasn't that how America got 'found' in the first place? :hmmm:

The land of the free, and the home of the brave, until they get kicked to the kerb.

Where anyone can be anything, except President, or legal.

[Bubblehead1980]

The illegals have become a fabric of our society. In as such, instead of fighting to send them out our efforts should be on integrating and full citizenship. I don't want to hear they are a scourge and take from the tax payers. There are plenty of legals doing the same and contribute zero to society monetarily or physically.

You see, IMO, many of these folks come to embetter their lives. The ones I see and deal with daily work hard. Who am I to stop them from obtaining what everyone wants in America? Safety, security and a future. Not much unlike those that passed through Ellis Island.

My issue is they have become a political pawn and those blowhards in DC pander for their votes. It is quite sickening really.


No, they undercut the labor market.Plenty of people would do those jobs if they at least paid a living wage and not as slave wage.Best example is one I have used, because I know someone personally affected by this but scenario repeats itself across the country.Regular Joe owns a lawn business, charges $100 for standard yard cut, etc.This 100% is not pure profit, still has to pay one worker, fuel, etc for equipment.Like any other person, has bills etc, certainly not going to get rich, but it pays the bills.Jose enters scene, will do the yard for $50, does not have to pay his worker(s) much, $50 is a lot of money to him.Now, I am for free market but when someone who is not even entitled to be here comes in and undercuts actual US citizens, forcing them to lower prices, thus they have less money to live on and find themselves working at or just above slave wages or in some cases, go out of business, that is wrong!

Sadly, in our bleeding heart society we won't do what is needed.A law that gives everyone here illegally one year to register, to go back home, and apply to come here legally, after that, anyone caught here illegally are subject to immediate deportation, no ands ifs or buts. .That with a secure border, problem solved.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, they undercut the labor market.Plenty of people would do those jobs if they at least paid a living wage and not as slave wage.Best example is one I have used, because I know someone personally affected by this but scenario repeats itself across the country.Regular Joe owns a lawn business, charges $100 for standard yard cut, etc.This 100% is not pure profit, still has to pay one worker, fuel, etc for equipment.Like any other person, has bills etc, certainly not going to get rich, but it pays the bills.Jose enters scene, will do the yard for $50, does not have to pay his worker(s) much, $50 is a lot of money to him.Now, I am for free market but when someone who is not even entitled to be here comes in and undercuts actual US citizens, forcing them to lower prices, thus they have less money to live on and find themselves working at or just above slave wages or in some cases, go out of business, that is wrong!

Sadly, in our bleeding heart society we won't do what is needed.A law that gives everyone here illegally one year to register, to go back home, and apply to come here legally, after that, anyone caught here illegally are subject to immediate deportation, no ands ifs or buts. .That with a secure border, problem solved.


They undercut nothing. They do jobs that those who feel that they are above will not do. Spend sometime investigating what white and black Americans do to the system and how they drain it for all it's worth. Thinking all legal persons here in the states are productive upright citizens is jaded. You will be astonished and disgusted. Yes, $50 is a lot to Jose. That is the difference between those that feel they should be making $100k fresh out of HS instead of working the ladder. But you know, John Smith's Lawn Care could have quoted $1.00 less than Joe's Lawn Care and the customer would have taken it. Business undercuts business. It is the nature of business. The other lawn care person in your scenario could have done the job for less or same charge. But, Joe's Lawn Care should understand there are others in his line of work that will quote and compete. Perhaps Joe should take up another line of work. Other than manual labor that these illegals do what other industry other than lawn care and construction is affected by illegals? I don't see undercutting throwing mulch as a threat to society financially or otherwise.

And to add, the homeowner, did he inquire if Jose is licensed and bonded? What if Jose mistakenly runs his mower through the homeowners house? Can Jose pay for the damages? Any homeowner should do their homework before contracting on for any types of repairs. The homeowner is at fault for accepting Jose's offer. I only contract on those that are licensed, bonded and insured. Can Jose prove any of these requirements of mine? No? Jose will not be working on my lawn then.

[Armistead]

No, they undercut the labor market.Plenty of people would do those jobs if they at least paid a living wage and not as slave wage.Best example is one I have used, because I know someone personally affected by this but scenario repeats itself across the country.Regular Joe owns a lawn business, charges $100 for standard yard cut, etc.This 100% is not pure profit, still has to pay one worker, fuel, etc for equipment.Like any other person, has bills etc, certainly not going to get rich, but it pays the bills.Jose enters scene, will do the yard for $50, does not have to pay his worker(s) much, $50 is a lot of money to him.Now, I am for free market but when someone who is not even entitled to be here comes in and undercuts actual US citizens, forcing them to lower prices, thus they have less money to live on and find themselves working at or just above slave wages or in some cases, go out of business, that is wrong!

Sadly, in our bleeding heart society we won't do what is needed.A law that gives everyone here illegally one year to register, to go back home, and apply to come here legally, after that, anyone caught here illegally are subject to immediate deportation, no ands ifs or buts. .That with a secure border, problem solved.

Illegals took over the construction market. I worked for a large commercial paint contractor for 22 years as a estimator/project manager. In the 80's we had over 200 US employees, paid a good wage, benefits, etc. As years passed, became hard to compete. Basically a legal Mexican would open up, hire about 20% legals, 80% illegals. They saved a fortune in work comp, paid about half the wage, no taxes, unemployment, just cash under the table. I know one legal that had a trailer park, housed probably 12 people per single wide, worked them for nothing.

To stay in business, you had to fire most your workers and hire Mexican sub contractors. In our town, in the 80's, you had several large in house large contractors....they're all gone, most illegals just work out of a home garage, dump all their leftover chemicals on the ground, etc.

This happened with several non licensed skill trades, painters, drywall, framers, bricklayers, etc...

When I opened my business, I was forced to do the same, basically a paper contractor that hired subs, most were legal, just worked illegals for nothing. They're numerous ways to get around it.

[Armistead]

They undercut nothing. They do jobs that those who feel that they are above will not do. Spend sometime investigating what white and black Americans do to the system and how they drain it for all it's worth. Thinking all legal persons here in the states are productive upright citizens is jaded. You will be astonished and disgusted. Yes, $50 is a lot to Jose. That is the difference between those that feel they should be making $100k fresh out of HS instead of working the ladder. But you know, John Smith's Lawn Care could have quoted $1.00 less than Joe's Lawn Care and the customer would have taken it. Business undercuts business. It is the nature of business. The other lawn care person in your scenario could have done the job for less or same charge. But, Joe's Lawn Care should understand there are others in his line of work that will quote and compete. Perhaps Joe should take up another line of work. Other than manual labor that these illegals do what other industry other than lawn care and construction is affected by illegals? I don't see undercutting throwing mulch as a threat to society financially or otherwise.

And to add, the homeowner, did he inquire if Jose is licensed and bonded? What if Jose mistakenly runs his mower through the homeowners house? Can Jose pay for the damages? Any homeowner should do their homework before contracting on for any types of repairs. The homeowner is at fault for accepting Jose's offer. I only contract on those that are licensed, bonded and insured. Can Jose prove any of these requirements of mine? No? Jose will not be working on my lawn then.

As I said, that's not how most of them work. They have a legal front. For instance, one sub I used was legal on paperwork, insurance, but most of his employees were simply cash under the table for $5 per hour. If by chance an illegal got hurt, they would have some one drag his arse to a hospital and say he fell at home.Trust me, the legal Mexican business owners are making a fortune off their illegal help. They have a neat system.

I think laws finally changed to where employers have to verify a SS is legal, but until about 2009 for sure, you didn't. An illegal would walk in with a valid DL and a nice fake SS. They filled out tax forms and would claim enough dependents that they paid no taxes. At the end of the year, most would leave, come back a few months later with a new name, etc....I would laugh at times when a 21 year old would claim 10 dependents......

[AVGWarhawk]

Illegals took over the construction market. I worked for a large commercial paint contractor for 22 years as a estimator/project manager. In the 80's we had over 200 US employees, paid a good wage, benefits, etc. As years passed, became hard to compete. Basically a legal Mexican would open up, hire about 20% legals, 80% illegals. They saved a fortune in work comp, paid about half the wage, no taxes, unemployment, just cash under the table. I know one legal that had a trailer park, housed probably 12 people per single wide, worked them for nothing.

To stay in business, you had to fire most your workers and hire Mexican sub contractors. In our town, in the 80's, you had several large in house large contractors....they're all gone, most illegals just work out of a home garage, dump all their leftover chemicals on the ground, etc.

This happened with several non licensed skill trades, painters, drywall, framers, bricklayers, etc...

When I opened my business, I was forced to do the same, basically a paper contractor that hired subs, most were legal, just worked illegals for nothing. They're numerous ways to get around it.

There are ways around that as well. Here in MD the Officals conduct raids on suspected business owners who are hiring illegals. The business owner receives heavy fines. Enough to put them out of business in some cases. The behavior of the business owners needs to change as well. Home owners need to change their behavior. Contracting on Jose without insurance or license can be a major headache if something goes wrong. We tend to point at the illegal all the time when it is of our own doing that causes these problems.

[Armistead]

There are ways around that as well. Here in MD the Officals conduct raids on suspected business owners who are hiring illegals. The business owner receives heavy fines. Enough to put them out of business in some cases. The behavior of the business owners needs to change as well. Home owners need to change their behavior. Contracting on Jose without insurance or license can be a major headache if something goes wrong. We tend to point at the illegal all the time when it is of our own doing that causes these problems.


Well, like I said, most have found ways to put on the legal front, but still work illegals. I don't know of one contractor that's ever been hit, but they do hit some big corps. Fact is they really do nothing, because of politics...
I could walk into 100 businesses right now and expose it and I'm sure they know more than I do.

However, to say illegals haven't cost many US jobs is wrong. Like I said up until the mid 90's you could walk on any large construction job and still find majority of US workers with decent pay....

I think the 12 million here will get a legal status very soon, I'm seeing many in the GOP getting on board.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, like I said, most have found ways to put on the legal front, but still work illegals. I don't know of one contractor that's ever been hit, but they do hit some big corps. Fact is they really do nothing, because of politics...
I could walk into 100 businesses right now and expose it and I'm sure they know more than I do.

However, to say illegals haven't cost many US jobs is wrong. Like I said up until the mid 90's you could walk on any large construction job and still find majority of US workers with decent pay....

I think the 12 million here will get a legal status very soon, I'm seeing many in the GOP getting on board.

Well, when there is a raid the outcry is staggering. Certainly the illegals have taken jobs. But, the jobs I see them working are manual labor such as drywall and lawn care. Both jobs I would not like to do everyday. However, rounding up 12 million and getting buses lined up to start deporting is not feasible. It would be best to get them in the systems and paying taxes.

The GOP wants the votes. Same as the Dems work for.

[Tribesman]

Border security only.Defending the borders is not extreme...

Execution without trial merely on suspicion or suspicion of possible intent is just about as extreme as you can get.

[AVGWarhawk]

Execution without trial merely on suspicion or suspicion of possible intent is just about as extreme as you can get.

Illegals are not executed. Not sure how your statement applies here. :hmmm:

[Armistead]

Well, when there is a raid the outcry is staggering. Certainly the illegals have taken jobs. But, the jobs I see them working are manual labor such as drywall and lawn care. Both jobs I would not like to do everyday. However, rounding up 12 million and getting buses lined up to start deporting is not feasible. It would be best to get them in the systems and paying taxes.

The GOP wants the votes. Same as the Dems work for.

That's why we should secure our border first or we'll have another 12 million before long. Anyway, it's coming. The downfall of the economy did slow it some.

Yep, the GOP wants the votes now because they know it's coming....Fact is, most Mexicans I knew had more GOP beliefs than Dems.

I really don't care, just hate the politics and confusion of it. Most I worked with are nice, hard workers and decent family people....and they have some beautiful women......

[eddie]

Tolerance is a good thing, but we have been so tolerant of things for so long, it will be our undoing.

Now you know how Native Americans feel,:D

[CaptainMattJ.]

Well, when there is a raid the outcry is staggering. Certainly the illegals have taken jobs. But, the jobs I see them working are manual labor such as drywall and lawn care. Both jobs I would not like to do everyday. However, rounding up 12 million and getting buses lined up to start deporting is not feasible. It would be best to get them in the systems and paying taxes.

The GOP wants the votes. Same as the Dems work for.
Its easy to say that when you already have/had a career. For a student trying to start his life and not wanting to put himself in nearly a hundred thousand dollars of debt, any job will do. We need manual labor jobs for CITIZENS more than ever. This isn't the 70s anymore. Manual labor and entry position jobs are rarer than they've ever been before. And Mr. Jose with his 6 anchor babies undermining the minimum wage sure as hell isn't helping. In a country that has decided that public education be a low priority, and the cost to attend college has exploded far past what inflation has, getting a job is the difference between 100,000 dollars in debt and maybe 50,000 dollars in debt. NOT TO MENTION THE ILLEGALS ARE GETTING PRIORITY REGISTRATION AND THEIR OWN FREAKING SCHOLARSHIPS, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO FAFSA AND FEDERAL LOANS!! What does Mr. white citizen college student get? The shaft.

If amnesty does come, which i GUARANTEE it will, it better come with a sealed border. All that these illegals are doing is flooding the education system with their kids, and undermining and lowering the standard of living by working for pennies, while also flooding our welfare system and medicaid assistance because they work for so little. Give them citizenship and then ACTUALLY enforce the damned laws we have. We simply cannot support another flood of 12 million people in our already meager system.

[CaptainMattJ.]

That's why we should secure our border first or we'll have another 12 million before long. Anyway, it's coming. The downfall of the economy did slow it some.

Yep, the GOP wants the votes now because they know it's coming....Fact is, most Mexicans I knew had more GOP beliefs than Dems.

I really don't care, just hate the politics and confusion of it. Most I worked with are nice, hard workers and decent family people....and they have some beautiful women......
Well, looking realistically at it, we can barely support the 12 million we already have. We dont really have the jobs, the assistance, the space in our education system, ect. Not to mention the criminals who get through, and all these cholo gangbangers that started popping up.

But i never really had the problem with the people themselves. They are, for the most part, hard-working families like the rest of us. I do like the increase in mexican food places ive seen pop up :yep:. And yes oh yes do they have some BEAUTIFUL woman :D.

[Wolferz]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Or not as the case may be.
Lady Liberty isn't supposed to sneak them in under her skirt.
I say...re-open Ellis Island.:hmmm:

[Stealhead]

Actually the rate of illegal immigration has been dropping steadily since 2009 the year after the economy went to hell.That proves that taken as whole the illgals are in fact not taking jobs in most cases that a legal immigrant is usually wiling to perform.

http://home.comcast.net/~markthoma/Graphics/illegal.3.4.06.jpg

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/illegal-immigration-as-a-job-market-predictor/?_r=0

My point is that these people have been here for decades and they really are not taking that many jobs that others really want to perform.In the end even with your example it is not the illegal to blame fro taking over the painting industry in your region it is the fault of Us citizens who are business owners choosing to hire them and of customers to use contractors that employ illegals.


Americans want things that contradict each other they want to pay the least amount of money for something which forces companies (in order to maintain profit margins) to pay legal workers low wages or to pay illegal workers even lower wages seeing that there is such little real punishment for employing illegals many companies choose this route and what do they care so long as they are making money it does not matter to them.

[Tribesman]

Illegals are not executed. Not sure how your statement applies here. :hmmm:
Its in Bubbles post about what he wants as a solution.

[AVGWarhawk]

Its easy to say that when you already have/had a career. For a student trying to start his life and not wanting to put himself in nearly a hundred thousand dollars of debt, any job will do. We need manual labor jobs for CITIZENS more than ever. This isn't the 70s anymore. Manual labor and entry position jobs are rarer than they've ever been before. And Mr. Jose with his 6 anchor babies undermining the minimum wage sure as hell isn't helping. In a country that has decided that public education be a low priority, and the cost to attend college has exploded far past what inflation has, getting a job is the difference between 100,000 dollars in debt and maybe 50,000 dollars in debt. NOT TO MENTION THE ILLEGALS ARE GETTING PRIORITY REGISTRATION AND THEIR OWN FREAKING SCHOLARSHIPS, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO FAFSA AND FEDERAL LOANS!! What does Mr. white citizen college student get? The shaft.

If amnesty does come, which i GUARANTEE it will, it better come with a sealed border. All that these illegals are doing is flooding the education system with their kids, and undermining and lowering the standard of living by working for pennies, while also flooding our welfare system and medicaid assistance because they work for so little. Give them citizenship and then ACTUALLY enforce the damned laws we have. We simply cannot support another flood of 12 million people in our already meager system.


No one claimed this is the 70's. You are assuming to much of Jose and the anchor babies. How may blacks/white alike suck on the government tit? And, these illegals who are getting FREE scholarships come at a cost...to them. First, these kids are legal. Born in the US. Second, their parents must show proof of paying taxes. Therefore they are productive members of our society. The student who is legally here born to illegal parents can get a loan. Just like any other legal citizen. They do not make the rules. They live by them. Mr. White Citizen gets the same loans. As far as priority, other races have gotten priority as well.

Every generations has it issues and problems when it comes to employment. I have yet to see any graduate college and walk into a $100k/year job. If that is what a college student expects I have some news for them. College loans have been out there for decades. Every student has had to deal with it to some degree.

[AVGWarhawk]

Its in Bubbles post about what he wants as a solution.

Yep, that's extreme! :yep:

[Bubblehead1980]

They undercut nothing. They do jobs that those who feel that they are above will not do. Spend sometime investigating what white and black Americans do to the system and how they drain it for all it's worth. Thinking all legal persons here in the states are productive upright citizens is jaded. You will be astonished and disgusted. Yes, $50 is a lot to Jose. That is the difference between those that feel they should be making $100k fresh out of HS instead of working the ladder. But you know, John Smith's Lawn Care could have quoted $1.00 less than Joe's Lawn Care and the customer would have taken it. Business undercuts business. It is the nature of business. The other lawn care person in your scenario could have done the job for less or same charge. But, Joe's Lawn Care should understand there are others in his line of work that will quote and compete. Perhaps Joe should take up another line of work. Other than manual labor that these illegals do what other industry other than lawn care and construction is affected by illegals? I don't see undercutting throwing mulch as a threat to society financially or otherwise.

And to add, the homeowner, did he inquire if Jose is licensed and bonded? What if Jose mistakenly runs his mower through the homeowners house? Can Jose pay for the damages? Any homeowner should do their homework before contracting on for any types of repairs. The homeowner is at fault for accepting Jose's offer. I only contract on those that are licensed, bonded and insured. Can Jose prove any of these requirements of mine? No? Jose will not be working on my lawn then.


Point is, should not have to compete with ILLEGAL immigrants, they don't belong here, have no right to be here. so should only have to compete with legal workers, not illegals charging low prices.They absolutely undercut the labor market, forces many CITIZENS to work for near slave wages instead of higher wages because we don't live like animals, certain standard of living.This has nothing to do with race, if it where white europeans doing same, would infuriate me just as much.Well you know what, I don't like American citizens leaching either but they are entitled to be here and reap benefits of being an american, illegals are not.

[Armistead]

Actually the rate of illegal immigration has been dropping steadily since 2009 the year after the economy went to hell.That proves that taken as whole the illgals are in fact not taking jobs in most cases that a legal immigrant is usually wiling to perform.

http://home.comcast.net/~markthoma/Graphics/illegal.3.4.06.jpg

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/illegal-immigration-as-a-job-market-predictor/?_r=0

My point is that these people have been here for decades and they really are not taking that many jobs that others really want to perform.In the end even with your example it is not the illegal to blame fro taking over the painting industry in your region it is the fault of Us citizens who are business owners choosing to hire them and of customers to use contractors that employ illegals.


Americans want things that contradict each other they want to pay the least amount of money for something which forces companies (in order to maintain profit margins) to pay legal workers low wages or to pay illegal workers even lower wages seeing that there is such little real punishment for employing illegals many companies choose this route and what do they care so long as they are making money it does not matter to them.


It doesn't work that way. Sure, some hired them, many didn't. It was when legal Mexicans worked them in mass. That made competition impossible among others and slowly you took part in it or went out of business. The fact is when you can get something as good for the cheap....people do it.

For years professional legal companies fought it, tried to get laws passed, but govt did nothing. In the end, you had no choice but to partake of the process.

The company I worked for was the oldest and one of the largest in the SE, like at one time we had our own small planes to fly to jobs. We followed laws, regulations, good wages. As years passed, overhead had to be cut way back. It got to the point the owners decided they wouldn't go the route to play the game, couldn't compete and closed down....I lost a job of 23 years.

And trust me, when govt wanted to enforce laws or go looking, they went after the big guys, not the numerous garage ran businesses working 90% of the illegals. See, we had to play by the rules, but couldn't stay in business.

Lost that job, it was all I knew, so I opened my own business and played the game and made great money until the economy tanked.....

[Bubblehead1980]

Now you know how Native Americans feel,:D


apples and oranges, this was not a sovereign nation when european settlers arrived, it was a wide open land filled with savages who were conquered.The US is a sovereign nation, with immigration laws, that are violated and the american people suffer everyday do to their presence.Undercutting labor market, crime, etc

[AVGWarhawk]

apples and oranges, this was not a sovereign nation when european settlers arrived, it was a wide open land filled with savages who were conquered.The US is a sovereign nation, with immigration laws, that are violated and the american people suffer everyday do to their presence.Undercutting labor market, crime, etc

They where hardly savages. Hoodwinked by the white skin with firewater and firesticks. And again, check out the crime, undercutting of labor market and sucking the of the government tit by those that are "gosh darn true-blooded Mericans!"

[Jimbuna]

Point is, should not have to compete with ILLEGAL immigrants, they don't belong here, have no right to be here. so should only have to compete with legal workers, not illegals charging low prices.They absolutely undercut the labor market, forces many CITIZENS to work for near slave wages instead of higher wages because we don't live like animals, certain standard of living.This has nothing to do with race, if it where white europeans doing same, would infuriate me just as much.Well you know what, I don't like American citizens leaching either but they are entitled to be here and reap benefits of being an american, illegals are not.

Is there someone you have in mind that you believe 'live like animals'?

[AVGWarhawk]

Point is, should not have to compete with ILLEGAL immigrants, they don't belong here, have no right to be here. so should only have to compete with legal workers, not illegals charging low prices.They absolutely undercut the labor market, forces many CITIZENS to work for near slave wages instead of higher wages because we don't live like animals, certain standard of living.This has nothing to do with race, if it where white europeans doing same, would infuriate me just as much.Well you know what, I don't like American citizens leaching either but they are entitled to be here and reap benefits of being an american, illegals are not.

Sorry Bubbs, dropping all the ills of today on the illegals does not fly. Furthermore, scrubbing trashcans should pay exactly what per hour? Who is living like animals? Leaching is leaching no matter if you are here legally or not. But you know what, the illegal leaches are working. The legal leaches are home on the coach working the system and making a career of it. Because they have a right to?

[Jimbuna]

Thanksgiving.

The day in 1621 when Native Americans shared a meal with undocumented immigrants who never left.

:O:

[AVGWarhawk]

Thanksgiving.

The day in 1621 when Native Americans shared a meal with undocumented immigrants who never left.

:O:

Savages...

[Cybermat47]

Why can't you lot just do what Australia did with all our illegal immigrants before the conservatives came to power? It had it's problems, definitely, but for the most part it worked. Retool it a bit, and it would probably work for America.

And Bubblehead, for someone who says that they're not crazy, why was your final solution to the immigrant problem killing them all? Seems a bit bloodthirsty...

[Tribesman]

Cybermat, in fairness he is not the first to propose it on this forum.
But just on a practical level leaving aside the very serious legal implications, it would involve clearing about 12,000 square miles and forcibly evicting a couple of million US citizens.

[Sailor Steve]

apples and oranges, this was not a sovereign nation when european settlers arrived, it was a wide open land filled with savages who were conquered.The US is a sovereign nation, with immigration laws, that are violated and the american people suffer everyday do to their presence.Undercutting labor market, crime, etc
Actually they considered themselves a sovereign nation. The Iroquois Confederacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois) even had a Constitution (http://tuscaroras.com/pages/history/iroquois_constitution_1.html)

[TarJak]

Savages...

Yes those pilgrims were rather savage to the native inhabitants. A culture perpetuated for a few hundred years after first contact as well.

[Madox58]

apples and oranges, this was not a sovereign nation when european settlers arrived, it was a wide open land filled with savages who were conquered.The US is a sovereign nation, with immigration laws, that are violated and the american people suffer everyday do to their presence.Undercutting labor market, crime, etc

Again. I'd never hire you as a Lawyer.
You constantly give all bottom feeding scum suckers a bad name!
And the Carp are getting tired of it!
:nope:

I'd bet you would argue for giving the Native Americans those Small Pox tainted blankets given the chance.
But wait for it!!!!





There's no proof is there!
It's all speculation based on.........

Eh. I'm sure you have a handle on this one also.

[Jimbuna]

The usual modus operandi....no response to legitimate questions.

[Onkel Neal]

Its easy to say that when you already have/had a career. For a student trying to start his life and not wanting to put himself in nearly a hundred thousand dollars of debt, any job will do. We need manual labor jobs for CITIZENS more than ever. This isn't the 70s anymore. Manual labor and entry position jobs are rarer than they've ever been before. And Mr. Jose with his 6 anchor babies undermining the minimum wage sure as hell isn't helping. In a country that has decided that public education be a low priority, and the cost to attend college has exploded far past what inflation has, getting a job is the difference between 100,000 dollars in debt and maybe 50,000 dollars in debt. NOT TO MENTION THE ILLEGALS ARE GETTING PRIORITY REGISTRATION AND THEIR OWN FREAKING SCHOLARSHIPS, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO FAFSA AND FEDERAL LOANS!! What does Mr. white citizen college student get? The shaft.

If amnesty does come, which i GUARANTEE it will, it better come with a sealed border. All that these illegals are doing is flooding the education system with their kids, and undermining and lowering the standard of living by working for pennies, while also flooding our welfare system and medicaid assistance because they work for so little. Give them citizenship and then ACTUALLY enforce the damned laws we have. We simply cannot support another flood of 12 million people in our already meager system.

Yeah, illegals get FAFSA and grants plus scholarships that should be going to legal citzens. Last week one of the nurses at my doctors office and I were discussing health care, he does not choose to buy it :o and he mentioned he voted for Obama because he supports the Dream Act. Yay, your son and daughter have to compete not only with Americans for scholastic support but also illegal aliens. I wonder what would happen if I sent my child to a Mexican high school and told her to apply for scholarships...?


No, sorry, I think if the current crop of 12~15 million illegals get to stay, and consequently bring in another 20~30 million family members when they are granted amnesty, it's only fair to the rest of the people below the rio grande to give them a shot and coming in as well. Why should we restrict only those who have not entered illegally?

Obviously the democrats want the votes, may as well close the book and let them proceed. Republicans are on the way out, I do not see any likelihood that suddenly millions of Americans will throw off their food stamps, disability income, WIC benefits, Medicare, welfare, etc and demand to earn their self-respect. I learned a lot about people while selling motorcycles: people come in, it's my job to help them find a bike and make them a good deal. They fill out a credit app, and finance submits it to a bank. Of course, I go over the app before we submit it, to make sure they did not leave anything blank or skip something (which people do all the time). So, I see their income, years on the job, etc. People who cannot make their rent or car notes on time with their welfare or SS disability will still try to get a loan for a luxury like a bike.

[les green01]

I got Native American in me and proud of it if you care to look at history you will find out it was the white man who was the savage,hell it was the french and englandish who caught the so call savage to scalp as proof a enemy as fallen.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I got Native American in me and proud of it if you care to look at history you will find out it was the white man who was the savage,hell it was the french and englandish who caught the so call savage to scalp as proof a enemy as fallen. I can see any Native American getting POed about this issue and rightfully so. As for the white man calling Native American's savages, that's what the Europeans at the time seemed to have called any native culture that wasn't up to their "standards of civilization", just ask the Aborigines and the Maoris. But even so that's no excuse for what European settlers and later Americans did to the Native Americans and their way of life.

[Stealhead]

I got Native American in me and proud of it if you care to look at history you will find out it was the white man who was the savage,hell it was the french and englandish who caught the so call savage to scalp as proof a enemy as fallen.

I beg to differ scalping is a body mutilation act that has been around for thousands of years and occurred in many cultures.People do bad things to each other.

They have found bodies of Native American skulls that date back to a time before the whites where present that show evidence that the scalp was removed.

One of my distant relatives got his tongue and part of his throat cut out by some Comanches in Texas(I have seen photos of the man taken late in his life he has the obvious scars). Of course whites did the same to the Comanche.

It is more accurate to say that any group of people is capable of mutilation of ones enemies it is a human trait(unfortunately) not a trait of anyone group.The way I see it such actions are an individual choice however warfare is a group activity so when one person does something some of his cohorts will be more likely to imitate that act and of course the enemy when they see what has been to one of theirs will want to get revenge.

Did the Europeans in some cases encourage and even pay for scalps sure they did where some native Americans also performing mutilation acts upon Europeans and enemy tribes sure they where did every single tribe scalp enemies I highly doubt it.But I have no doubt that they had encounters with other tribes who did long before anyone came along to have any influence one way or the other.

[vienna]

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-pens-letter-to-school-teacher--says-health-care-%e2%80%98wasn-t-the-smart-political-thing--222958563.html


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[Bubblehead1980]

Why can't you lot just do what Australia did with all our illegal immigrants before the conservatives came to power? It had it's problems, definitely, but for the most part it worked. Retool it a bit, and it would probably work for America.

And Bubblehead, for someone who says that they're not crazy, why was your final solution to the immigrant problem killing them all? Seems a bit bloodthirsty...


Okay, I did not say kill them all, I said deport them but if they are stupid enough to rush the border, cross illegally, the should be fired upon, end of story.

[Wolferz]

A few well publicized drone strikes at the next bunch hopping the border would go a long way toward curtailing the practice.:yeah:

[TarJak]

Illegals should be so scared to death they very few would dare be here illegally, it's one of the few things where I am okay with heavy handed tactics. Heavily armed guards in all areas of borders, helicopter gunships that shoot if they cross the border, land mines, free fire orders on incidents such as the one in san diego recently where they rushed the border, assaulted Border Patrol.Illegal Immigration is one of the major threats to the future of this country, we have tolerated it for far too long.
This is what you posted earlier.

Okay, I did not say kill them all, I said deport them but if they are stupid enough to rush the border, cross illegally, the should be fired upon, end of story.

Maybe not kill them all but bloodthirsty and extreme nonetheless.

[Tribesman]

Okay, I did not say kill them all, I said deport them but if they are stupid enough to rush the border, cross illegally, the should be fired upon, end of story.


So free fire zones with helicopter gunships to kill illegal immigrants (plus anyone else in the area)if they are in the zone, but don't kill overstays.
You really didn't think it through before you parroted that extremist nonsense.:yep:
So what about some of the other aspects.
Forced evictions of very large numbers of US citizens and government seizure of land from US citizens?
Surely that is counter to the ideology you claim to follow.
Would that be tyranny you be wanting? Trading liberty for an illusion of security from the "savages" :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Seeking a new route to India.
He discovered a new continent. Well, it wasn't really new, was it?
He mistakenly thought the residents were Indians.
Just new to him and all those squatters who followed.:hmmm:

Suffice it to say...
White men can't jump,

Oh, wait, they can jump your property and claim it for God and King and then themselves with unfair trade practices Check out these beads baby!

They made Americo Vespucci proud and immortalized him with America.

Damned Mafia!:nope:

Let's all celebrate and give thanks to the former owners of our land who were just keeping it warm for us.:rock:

[AVGWarhawk]

Yeah, illegals get FAFSA and grants plus scholarships that should be going to legal citzens.


I'm not sure how it works in TX but the Mexicans getting FAFSA in my neck of the woods are not illegal. These are kids that from our own laws are legal as they were born on US soil to parents that are illegals. They then are no different than other races that get extra goodies as a result of just being a particular race. Even then I'm not sure they are getting extra goodies for just being. Certainly the pie gets smaller.

[Bubblehead1980]

So free fire zones with helicopter gunships to kill illegal immigrants (plus anyone else in the area)if they are in the zone, but don't kill overstays.
You really didn't think it through before you parroted that extremist nonsense.:yep:
So what about some of the other aspects.
Forced evictions of very large numbers of US citizens and government seizure of land from US citizens?
Surely that is counter to the ideology you claim to follow.
Would that be tyranny you be wanting? Trading liberty for an illusion of security from the "savages" :hmmm:


I said nothing about US citizens, stop trying to muddy the waters of the discussion,this is about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.Yes, detain and deport anyone here illegally.Those who dare to rush the border as in San Diego recently, fire upon them, would send a message.I am parroting nothing.

Deporting illegals and making a border they can't cross is not trading liberty for anything, it's getting rid of illegal trash that have no right to be in my country, causing many problems.

Sooo simple, some people simply have a right to be here, others do not, the end.

[Bubblehead1980]

This is what you posted earlier.



Maybe not kill them all but bloodthirsty and extreme nonetheless.


Not extreme or bloodthirsty, perhaps you and others who are for open borders and allowing this filth to continue wreaking havoc on our country, are weak and oversensitive? They have no right to be here, they are ILLLEGAL.They do not respect out laws, they break them by just entering the country.

[Bubblehead1980]

I am sick of the "apologists" who talk about how awful it is what was done to the native americans.Look this was not a sovereign nation, so it was settled.Wars were fought with the natives and the lost, losing wars have consequences.Could things have been handled in a better manner such as resettlement etc? Absolutely.Does it mean people should still feel guility and apologize ? NO World was a different place then and some survival of the fittest came into play, many resisted, they lost.Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

[Tchocky]

Argle gargle google garb.

This is not directed at anyone in particular.

[u crank]

I am sick of the "apologists" who talk about how awful it is what was done to the native americans.Look this was not a sovereign nation, so it was settled.Wars were fought with the natives and the lost, losing wars have consequences.Could things have been handled in a better manner such as resettlement etc? Absolutely.Does it mean people should still feel guility and apologize ? NO World was a different place then and some survival of the fittest came into play, many resisted, they lost.Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

:nope:

You are in desperate need of a history lesson.

[TarJak]

Interesting opinion. Shooting people is not bloodthirsty. :hmmm: Certainly sounds extreme to me.

You have no idea what my position on border security is.

You have been given some insight into the fact that I care about humanity.

I certainly don't agree that violence is going to make a bit of difference.

Killing people who want to make a better life for themselves is not a sane response to the problem.

[Father Goose]

I think Bubblehead would make a great radio talk show host. I wonder if he's ever considered that occupation. The show would have high ratings as all of Subsim would call in to yell at him.

Something to consider...:hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

I am sick of the "apologists" who talk about how awful it is what was done to the native americans.Look this was not a sovereign nation, so it was settled.
Yet again you blithely ignore what you don't want to hear. Read my earlier response to that same claim - Post #54.

Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.
Actually they lived in wood buildings until they were forced to move west and live a more nomadic life. They were mostly a nation of farmers when they encountered the Europeans.

[Cybermat47]

Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

Living in tents, chasing buffalo and dancing for rain sounds quite nice actually, especially when compared to being slaughtered by foreigners, being raped by foreigners, and catching diseases from foreigners :yep:

And as Steve says above, they didn't even live in tents and hunt Buffalo before the British invaded.

[Father Goose]

Living in tents, chasing buffalo and dancing for rain sounds quite nice actually, especially when compared to being slaughtered by foreigners, being raped by foreigners, and catching diseases from foreigners :yep:

Too much! :har:

[eddie]

Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

There are a few of us Native Americans who would love to have you grow a pair and say that crap to our faces!

[TarJak]

I am sick of the "apologists" who talk about how awful it is what was done to the native americans.Look this was not a sovereign nation, so it was settled.Wars were fought with the natives and the lost, losing wars have consequences.Could things have been handled in a better manner such as resettlement etc? Absolutely.Does it mean people should still feel guility and apologize ? NO World was a different place then and some survival of the fittest came into play, many resisted, they lost.Really, in the long wrong they are better off, would still be living in tents, dancing for rain, and chasing buffalo if not for settlement.

I think maybe you've missed the point. No one's asking for an apology. And the world is not much different now than then. Particularly in relation to human behaviour

You live in a glass glass house and you are throwing stones.

[Bubblehead1980]

There are a few of us Native Americans who would love to have you grow a pair and say that crap to our faces!


Said it in class a few times, it ruffled a few feathers. (Pun intended)

[Tribesman]

I said nothing about US citizens, stop trying to muddy the waters of the discussion You really have not thought about this at all.:nope:

I am parroting nothing. If you are parroting nothing then the crazies are parroting you.
Since they have been spouting exactly this crap for a long time I think I was right the first time.

as in San Diego How many square miles of that one city are you proposing to forcibly clear?

Deporting illegals and making a border they can't cross is not trading liberty for anything Think about it.

Sooo simple, some people simply have a right to be here, others do not, the end. Your logic fails, that's the start not the end.

Look this was not a sovereign nation Correct. It was many sovereign nations.

Said it in class a few times, it ruffled a few feathers.

Yes, I see it would ruffle a few feathers, I can see your teachers being ruffled at how far gone you are and how little you know
.
disgusting, filth, trash, savages (with a nice dose of eugenics) When you started the topic with the equivalent of an "I am not being racist, but....", then it was obvious how you would melt down very quickly to what you really are.

[Jimbuna]

Bubblehead1980

You are now posting comments I consider to be based on Hatred and Racism and as such I am advising you said comments are unaccptable on this forum whether it be in GT or anywhere else...FINAL WARNING.