Scots referendum blueprint unveiled

[Jimbuna]

Some of the commitments in the paper....should lead to a healthy political debate on both sides of the border.

Retain the pound and the Bank of England as the lender of last resort.

Remove Trident nuclear weapons from the Clyde by 2020.

Hold negotiations on Scotland's share of public sector debt and UK assets.

Maintain free tuition for Scottish students studying in Scotland but charge fees for students from the rest of the UK.

Establish a Scottish Defence Force consisting of of 15,000 full-time personnel and 5,000 reservists.

Develop closer relationships with EU and NATO agencies engaged in cyber security.

Consider British citizens habitually resident in Scotland as Scottish citizens.

Permit dual citizenship with the UK.

Recognise UK passports until their expiry date.

Bring Royal Mail back into public ownership.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25088251

[Dread Knot]

I wonder if this might be like many divorces, it starts with the best intentions but once the lawyers are involved it soon gets rather nasty. :03:

The Czech Republic and Slovakia made a good divorce, but their union was a rather brief one in comparison.

I suppose if this reaches the desired political end for some,the Union Jack may have to go into the historical flag case. :-?

[vienna]

But what about the haggis? What is the standing on that issue?...


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[Herr-Berbunch]

Establish a Scottish Defence Force consisting of of 15,000 full-time personnel and 5,000 reservists.

I'll quote my Glaswegian ex-colleague. Without expletives (four, iirc).

'I didn't join the Air Force because I wanted to stay in Scotland' :yep:

I hope they continue to export the haggis down to us, hopefully they'll keep up the breeding plan to keep up with demand, Salmond can shove his neeps and tatties though.

IMO it'll be resounding NO, then maybe, just maybe, he'll give up. :D

[Madox58]

But didn't Mel Gibson gain Scotlands freedom along time ago?
:88)

Or was that overturned with the 'jewish' thing he pulled?
:haha:

[Garion]

But what about the haggis? What is the standing on that issue?...


<O>

The Haggis will become our unit of currency :smug:

Cheers

Gary

[vienna]

The Haggis will become our unit of currency :smug:



...and what will be the exchange rate?...



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[Catfish]

They forgot to demand back the trees that went for the english fleet, and then give back the sheep that sceletonized the scottish agriculture.
Free uisge beata production, no taxes on the latter, they forgot so much important things ..
Will they get back the house of Stuart, and will the english queen still be allowed to spend holidays in Balmoral :D

[Jimbuna]

I'll quote my Glaswegian ex-colleague. Without expletives (four, iirc).

'I didn't join the Air Force because I wanted to stay in Scotland' :yep:

I hope they continue to export the haggis down to us, hopefully they'll keep up the breeding plan to keep up with demand, Salmond can shove his neeps and tatties though.

IMO it'll be resounding NO, then maybe, just maybe, he'll give up. :D

My one wish is...if you vote for independence, take your share of the national debt with you, create your own currency, prepare yourselves for massive job losses in the military shipbuilding sector and sort out your own defence.

[TarJak]

Was planning on a quick trip to a distillery or three next year. Looks like I might need to save up my haggises.

[Skybird]

I support for principle reasons any desire of local regions and their population to become or stay independent, as long as others do no have to pay their bills and the separatists can afford independence by their own means. That's why I refuse the first point on that list on the Bank of England staying as lender of last resort. But it would also be in the Scots' own interest to get rid of the big money printers in London.

I also refuse any bills being sent to the EU. If the Scots want to be independent, this obviously needs a functional economic basis, if you lack that, you cannot be really independent, can you.

The Scottish share in the overall debts of the UK must be accepted as a responsibility of the Scots, to clean them from this would mean to have others paying the bills they leave behind, and thus is not acceptable.

In the end, what would be so much more important for all people in Europe is to end the state monopoly for creating paper money, and to strictly separate politicians from the power to create, control and spend paper money. Without that, any independence movements in local regions necessarily must lead to collapse in the future - sooner or later.

[Schroeder]

^And that's why they'll use Haggis as their currency.;)

[Madox58]

Was planning on a quick trip to a distillery or three next year. Looks like I might need to save up my haggises.
:hmmm:
Are you sure 'Those from the Continent of Convicts' can bring haggises with them?
:03:

I mean We know what you Spying Bastids are capable of!

[Herr-Berbunch]

My one wish is...if you vote for independence, take your share of the national debt with you, create your own currency, prepare yourselves for massive job losses in the military shipbuilding sector and sort out your own defence.

I heard on R4 sometime recently that they may offer oil/gas for debt reduction. Don't know if that's buried in the 600+ pages of their report (it's definitely not in the GWX manual of similar size!).

I tells ya, it won't happen. If it did then Cornwall and Wales would go too. Respective currencies - pasties and welsh rarebit.

I like Scotland, and most of the people I met, so if we could just round up all the nationalists and stick them on an island for them to sort out, that'd be just dandy.

[vienna]

I still want to know; how many pasties or rarebit to a haggis?...



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[bertieck476]

As usual the mash has uncovered the nitty gritty :haha:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/independent-scotland-to-have-a-jacuzzi-2013112681467

[Skybird]

I still want to know; how many pasties or rarebit to a haggis?...


I give up. Cannot say whether you guys are discussing the name of drinks, towns, dishes or currencies.

[Herr-Berbunch]

By my reckoning there would be roughly 2 pasties for one haggis. And you'd prolly get 3 rarebits to one pasty (more if you 'mint' at home). So to round it all off you'd get 6 rarebits to one haggis.

Let me at the economy! :yeah:

[Schroeder]

I give up. Cannot say whether you guys are discussing the name of drinks, towns, dishes or currencies.
Here is a German description of Haggis :https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis


Remind me not to go to Scotland anytime soon.:dead:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I give up. Cannot say whether you guys are discussing the name of drinks, towns, dishes or currencies.

Quite clearly (to me, at least :O: ) we're talking about foodstuffs to be used as currency should they get independence as they'll have no minting facilities of their own. They may eventually move along with the times, maybe bargain for a coloured stone, or a battered bit of metal they've been lucky enough to find. Tin in Cornwall, obviously, copper in Wales at a guess and lumps of granite in Scotland.

Do stop me when I'm being too racist or stereotypical, but if it's any consolation all we'd have to trade would be z-rated celebrities not even worthy of the crumbs from the rarebit. :-?

[Herr-Berbunch]

Here is a German description of Haggis :https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis


Remind me not to go to Scotland anytime soon.:dead:

Hey, haggis is lovely and must be infinitely better than sauerkraut! :dead:

[Schroeder]

Hey, haggis is lovely and must be infinitely better than sauerkraut! :dead:
You clearly don't know what's good.:O:

[TarJak]

:hmmm:
Are you sure 'Those from the Continent of Convicts' can bring haggises with them?
:03:

I mean We know what you Spying Bastids are capable of!

Damn you've seen through our cunning plan to use haggises as espionage aperatus.

How many pounds of haggis does it take to match the rollmops? And does this mean that England is adopting the kipper as its standard unit?

[Jimbuna]

Damn you've seen through our cunning plan to use haggises as espionage aperatus.

How many pounds of haggis does it take to match the rollmops? And does this mean that England is adopting the kipper as its standard unit?

Black pudding most likely.

[Schroeder]

Black pudding most likely.
I already told Oberon that the only reason why we lost the BoB was that our guys were too scared of your food.:88)




:D

[Herr-Berbunch]

And we fought you off because we were scared of your food! :o

I'll take any animal product over your fermented cabbage any day of the week. :yep:

[Dread Knot]

This thread reminds me of this exchange from the Mike Myers movie, So I Married an Axe Murderer.

"Do you actually like haggis?"

"No, I think it's repellent in every way. In fact, I think most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare."

[Schroeder]

I'll take any animal product over your fermented cabbage any day of the week. :yep:
Any?
OK, here you go:
Welcome to the wonderful world of Surströmming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming):

Here a more graphic description:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/3131353639333136.jpg

Enjoy your meal while I have some Sauerkraut.:O:

Strange that it never kept us from going to Norway...:hmm2:


:D

[Jimbuna]

I already told Oberon that the only reason why we lost the BoB was that our guys were too scared of your food.:88)




:D

Your biggest mistake was in not sending us over some of your great beer then catching us as we slept in our bunks all hungover :)

[Herr-Berbunch]

Any?

Strange that it never kept us from going to Norway...:hmm2:

:D

You took your own stinking food, or you were really in need of all the lovely ores mined there.

:D:haha::D:haha::D:haha::D:smug:

[Schroeder]

Your biggest mistake was in not sending us over some of your great beer then catching us as we slept in our bunks all hungover :)
We couldn't! That's war important material and was needed here.:huh:

[STEED]

This fool lives in cloud cuckoo land.

Just watch the EU kick Scotland out of the EU. This fool thinks if he wins Scotland stays in the EU, sorry no the EU has told him and he failed to take note.

Fine by me and no more funding Scotland. They sink or swim without any help/money from the UK.

[Jimbuna]

We couldn't! That's war important material and was needed here.:huh:

Hence we created our own :)

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5076/c9o6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/c9o6.jpg/)

[Herr-Berbunch]

This fool lives in cloud cuckoo land.

Just watch the EU kick Scotland out of the EU. This fool thinks if he wins Scotland stays in the EU, sorry no the EU has told him and he failed to take note.

Fine by me and no more funding Scotland. They sink or swim without any help/money from the UK.

He wants closer ties to Nordic countries, has anybody asked them? :hmm2:

[STEED]

He wants closer ties to Nordic countries, has anybody asked them? :hmm2:


Good question...

Come in Norway what is your answer...*^%$£$^^%^""£$:@^%&&::@~&&+$$^&*^$££"£"@@{~}{*^%$££%^&.

I think that is stuff you Alex.

[Penguin]

If Scotland can do it, there is hope for the glorious Rhineland, too! :smug:


I like Scotland, and most of the people I met, so if we could just round up all the nationalists and stick them on an island [...]

*mischievously taps on HB's shoulder* Sorry to inform you about this:

http://www.stepmap.de/landkarte/british-isles-136161.png

The light blue part tastes salty! :D The god of Geography already put you all away from the rest of Europe - guess he had his reasons... :O:


I already told Oberon that the only reason why we lost the BoB was that our guys were too scared of your food.:88)




:D

Well, we have our Flönz as a Wunderwaffe to conquer the Brits. :03:

[Schroeder]

Hence we created our own :)

That is wrong on so many levels...:nope:
First Fokkers and Spitfires didn't fight each other.
Second you buy that stuff from a German discounter.
:know:

I hereby declare total victory.:rock:


If Scotland can do it, there is hope for the glorious Rhineland, too! :smug:

Forget it, you don't even have your own national football team.:O: