Does this ever happen to you?

[Stealhead]

I am sure that everyone has this happen to them from time to time where someone asks you for help yet while you try to help them they act like a know-it-all the entire time.

The other day I was on a job in West Florida when this truck driver comes up and asks us to help him figure out what is wrong with his engine. So my co-worker and I walk over to this guys truck with our tool box.

The guy tells us that it is not idling right and when he tries to drive it cuts out.This truck is a late 90's Freightliner conventional with a Detroit Diesel series 60 an engine I worked on many times while in the USAF.

Anyway while I am trouble shooting the three of us are having a conversation about engines of course.So I was talking about some of the units I know well 4-53,4-71,Series 60.Anyway I was explaining how the old two stroke -53 and -71 needed forced induction to run.

The truck driver whips his smart phone and must have looked up two stroke Jimmys because he started lecturing me as to why they needed a supercharger (which I was of course already well aware of) well his reasoning was incorrect.So I explained that the two stroke Jimmys just like any large displacement two stroke diesel need forced induction because they can not pull in enough air on their own because the intake charge is not long enough to pull in the amount of air needed to keep the process going.

After that I told him to look up the Series 60 since he knows everything and figure out what is wrong himself and walked away.I hope he enjoyed paying what ever truck service company he wound up calling I am sure it cost him several hundred bucks.

Anyway I am sure that many of you had a similar experience perhaps not the same specifics but where someone wants your knowledge/experience yet asks like some sort of know-it-all when you come to help.

[BrucePartington]

It seems to me you are describing a narcissist. I had more than my fair share of that.

[Schroeder]

I wasn't even aware that truck diesels were 2 stroke...:doh:

[Madox58]

where someone wants your knowledge/experience yet asks like some sort of know-it-all when you come to help.

Nope. Never seen that here at Subsim.
:har:

[Stealhead]

I wasn't even aware that truck diesels were 2 stroke...:doh:

Well older trucks can have two strokes especially anything pre-mid 80's will.On more modern trucks it is all 4 stroke these days primarily because a 4 stroke pumps out less emissions.That and 4 strokes wear out about two times slower than a similar size 2 stroke will.Flip side of the coin is that a 2 stroke produces about twice as much power per displacement than a 4 stroke will in theory at least.Of course 2 strokes consume more fuel than a 4 stroke.

Series 60 would be a 4 stroke.Now older trucks still in active use or that someone owns as a collector those will still have 2 stokes in them and the parts are still readily available usually.Most likely not CA though.

You will only find modern 2 strokes on very heavy equipment like locomotives and larger marine engines perhaps also with some very heavy work equipment.And post 2010 I do not think you'll find a factory fresh locomotive with a 2 stroke in it.the higher amount of emissions that 2 strokes pump out makes them the Do Do of the internal combustion engine world except for very heavy duty marine applications.

Nope. Never seen that here at Subsim.
:har:

True.It is a little different though when you are just chatting and when you are actually trying to help someone.Who knows maybe he was a bit irate that his truck was not working he was an owner/operator so more money down the drain.Such is the way of things maybe he will learn more about his truck now.

Nope. Never seen that here at Subsim.
:har:

No.Never would such a thing occur.

[Jimbuna]

Nope. Never seen that here at Subsim.
:har:

LOL my wife is pretty good at that :)

[Sailor Steve]

Nope. Never seen that here at Subsim.
:har:

No.Never would such a thing occur.
I'm NOT self-centered! I'm NOT a narcissist!









And STOP TALKING ABOUT ME! :O:

[Stealhead]

:hmmm: He did say something about Utah a relative perhaps? :sunny:

No I think he was from Texas he had the Texas accent though his behavior was not typical for a Texan not in my experience anyway.

Now had he been from New Jersey....

[fireftr18]

Let's see. 23 years as a firefighter, 10 years in sports medicine. Meeting someone that thinks they know more than the experts has been normal for me most of my life. Then they call me because of what they messed up. Job security. :rock:

[Aktungbby]

I wasn't even aware that truck diesels were 2 stroke...:doh:

You become very aware of it going over Donner Pass 7500 ft. up (or PARLEY's outside Salt Lake eastbound) for 40 miles with a full load of freight; You keep your tach at the high RPM possible the whole long slow time and take excedrine!:nope: Hated 'em; you haven't missed a thing!:down:

[TarJak]

Never come across the behaviour in my 30 years of IT. Or here for that matter.

:har: except for all the time.

[Stealhead]

You become very aware of it going over Donner Pass 7500 ft. up (or PARLEY's outside Salt Lake eastbound) for 40 miles with a full load of freight; You keep your tach at the high RPM possible the whole long slow time and take excedrine!:nope: Hated 'em; you haven't missed a thing!:down:


At least you most likely had a 10 or 18 speed I can agree though they really did not have any sound proofing until the 80's.Imagine doing that with a twin stick like this 1948 Diamond T(of course they had twin sticks into the 70's) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU3gZGUInd4 my uncle has an 1944 US Army Diamond T wrecker some day I'm gonna convince him to let me have it.

This might be closer to what you drove http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GMIHlmWiEE.

This is what I sometimes drive(a 1995) to jobs in of course being one of the bosses I usually let a lower ranking employee drive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL_mvpYaxcU

[Aktungbby]

Did drive a twin stick on a coal truck but usually was using a twelve speed road ranger and the engine of choice was the Cummins fuel squeezer 290, but have done cats and macks too. Spent 3 years in a freightliner sleeper team in all 48 and Alaska in the late 70's. Except for first you don't use the clutch!:woot:

[Stealhead]

I have never done any commercial driving like that.I got the CDL for my current job at first we used to rent a rig now and again now we get enough big refrigeration jobs we went and bought a truck to haul around stuff we need for a job like that.

Not enough money in over the road work its what 12 cents profit a mile on a good day? Right I can make a much better profit margin doing what I do.My daughter will appreciate that when she completes school she has no idea how much money I have saved up very glad that I am able to do that.

Usually we leave the truck at my house it is nice and rural no one is going to steal it out here.The other day I came home from a 3 day long job in the Mack my daughter and one the neighbors kids where walking down the road from the bus stop so I gave them a ride.I think the neighbors kid was a bit terrified/excited only 8 years old and to be inside such a intimidating machine.

[Aktungbby]

It was fun while it lasted: I was the insurance driver for wrecks/cargo salvage in the 600+ unit company so it got a little gruesome. After which I confined myself to my own in-state small company while the wife went to law school; after which I appraised real estate for 15 years and did even more driving as I do now, covering northern central CA 24/7 doing on-call security for 3 ATM companies and film productions. Actually went to renew the class one , took one look at all the new different classifications that used to just be on one license, and said nyet to it all at the exam counter.:-?

[Wolferz]

Ahh, truck drivers.:up:

I've jammed my share of gears. My favorite was an International Gold Eagle with the super 10 gear box. Five lever, five button shifting is the shiznitz:D Though a Freightshaker with a split 10 is nice too.

For the know-it-alls... "Here buddy, you do it!":haha:

Sounds like the fellow had a clogged fuel filter or a spotty injector pump.

[Stealhead]

Ahh, truck drivers.:up:

I've jammed my share of gears. My favorite was an International Gold Eagle with the super 10 gear box. Five lever, five button shifting is the shiznitz:D Though a Freightshaker with a split 10 is nice too.

For the know-it-alls... "Here buddy, you do it!":haha:

Sounds like the fellow had a clogged fuel filter or a spotty injector pump.

Yeah Eaton-Fuller super 10 our Mack has the 10 speed pretty easy once you get the feel for it.


He did not even have a Series 60 operators manual in his truck it has a trouble shooting section pretty easy to follow for a non-mechanic.

Bet he bought the truck I'd say it was worth about 15,000 or so and just started off as an owner operator.He just did not learn enough recon he has by now.

[magic452]

When I was working for a construction company here in Reno I put a 4 speed brownie behind a 15 speed Fuller. :o:o:o 60 forward gears and 4 reverse.
Now that's a truck. Could drive all day and never use the same gears twice. :D:D

Magic

[swamprat69er]

I still prefer a 5 X 4 over all of the new fangled transmissions out there.
I did have a 13 X 4 once. It was a fun truck to drive.