PS 4

[Feuer Frei!]

With the launch of the PS 4 Console (Nov 15th to be exact) i thought i'd include and post some related video clips.

First one is Sony PS4 vs .50 cal - Slow Mo Destruction at 50,000 FPS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dvWGY2bAd0


Second one is South Park - Xbox One vs PS4 (Black Friday)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYbs0firps8


X Box or PS?

Who cares. :D

EDIT: I'll even add a link to a review of all the 24 games being released with the launch of the PS 4:

http://kotaku.com/all-24-of-the-ps4s-launch-games-reviewed-1464421841/@charliejane

You're welcome.

[TarJak]

Can I play Silent Hunter anything on that console? How about adding mods? No? Not interested then.

[Cybermat47]

Can I play Silent Hunter anything on that console? How about adding mods? No? Not interested then.

You can't play Halo on it either, so it's useless :nope:

[the_tyrant]

I'll probably get both soon. I did the math a while back that says its a good idea to buy early:


A the last console generation lasted for 7 years. If you bought a launch day ps3, over the course of 7 years, the TCO would average down to approximately 23 cents a day. (launch price of 599 divided by 365 * 7)

If you bought a PS3 1 year after the price drop, the TCO averages down to 22.6 cents a day. You would save less than 1cent a day! (price drop to 499 divided by 365 * 6)

But than, the "marginal happiness" of me enjoying all the new games before everyone else would start to wear off! I still remember the first time I went to my buddy's house to experience new generation consoles. Wii Sports blew my goddamned mind!



I don't know which one I am going to buy yet. It boils down to this for me:

I want to play shooters: both consoles are equal
I want to play hack and slash: slight edge to xbox
I want to play sports: edge to playstation
I want to play party games (dancing and what not): edge to xbox
I want to watch movies and media: slight edge to xbox
I want to watch sports: slight edge to xbox
I want to play japanese games: edge to playstation
I want to play with my friends: i donno yet, depends on what they get isn't it?

[BossMark]

Screw the PS4 for now, lets see if any decent games are out in around 6 months time. And is it true you cant play your PS3 games on it

[TarJak]

I don't know which one I am going to buy yet. It boils down to this for me:

[QUOTE=the_tyrant;2141866] I want to play shooters: both consoles are equal Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
I want to play hack and slash: slight edge to xboxCan do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
I want to play sports: edge to playstationCan do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
I want to play party games (dancing and what not): edge to xboxDon;t do this but the kids have a Wii they can use for that if they want.
I want to watch movies and media: slight edge to xboxCan do that on my PC with better graphics.
I want to watch sports: slight edge to xboxCan do that on my PC with better graphics.
I want to play japanese games: edge to playstationI don't do this so don't care.
I want to play with my friends: i donno yet, depends on what they get isn't it?Can do that on my PC with better results and mods.

Looks like I'm tooled up and ready to go.:sunny:

[Jimbuna]

^LOL...part with some of your dosh to help the games industry if nothing else :)

I do agree with you though...quite happy with my PC.

[Wolferz]

All of the above and I built my PC myself so I know what's in there.

X Box will never get another dime out of me when you consider that my first two spent more time in a coffin on a UPS truck than they did in my home.:down:

I had a preview of the PS-4 yesterday. It ships with a 500 gig hard drive. It will hold @ eleven games Maybe fewer.:har:

It's not worth the money.

[Onkel Neal]

New X box? I just bought my first one ! :D


I will probably wait a couple years and buy an Xbox One used through Cowboom.com for $100 like my Xbox 360.

[the_tyrant]

[QUOTE=the_tyrant;2141866]

I don't know which one I am going to buy yet. It boils down to this for me:

Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
Don;t do this but the kids have a Wii they can use for that if they want.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics.
I don't do this so don't care.
Can do that on my PC with better results and mods.

Looks like I'm tooled up and ready to go.:sunny:


dude, you can't think like this. I have a 2000$ PC, its on my desk for serious work and gaming.

these consoles are under 500! You can't find me a single PC under 500 that even approaches these consoles in gaming performance. I think about it completely differently now:

wanna play the shooter on a couch with a buddy? I go to my console. Wanna play a casual racer? I go to my console. Wanna watch some NFL or MLB on the weekend? I go to my console. When my favorite team is losing, I'll just pull out madden and demolish their team, or start up mlb the show and knock in a few home runs.


understand that PC and consoles are competing with a different market. There is no point just saying "my PC is better" all the time, there are use cases where consoles are objectively better

PCs are better with RTS games and Simulators, they are objectively better, no need to argue. But consoles are objectively better with sports games (Madden is console only, MLB the Show is a sony exclusive, Fifa is objectively better on next gen consoles with the new engine), fighting games (my favorite Dead or alive is console only. Sony All Stars and Super Smash Bros are exclusive for their consoles), and anything from Japan (PC gaming isn't big there).

PCs and consoles are a different experience for me. Even with all the recent developments since the late 90s to move PCs into the living room (tv tuners, ir remotes, windows media center, controller support, Steam big picture) pcs are still a "desk thing". I would go to my pc for some serious gaming by myself, but if i want to play with friends on a couch, console is still the way to go.

[Wolferz]

[QUOTE=Neal Stevens;2141915]New X box? I just bought my first one ! :D


You poor sod.:hmmm:
Suckered by the hype, were you?

Fortune telling time: I see a red ring of death in your near future.
It's as traumatic as a BSOD in the middle of a WASD and you'll QWERTY your britches.:03:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I did the math a while back that says its a good idea to buy early:

A the last console generation lasted for 7 years.

I see your maths, I'll add the RROD into the mix (PS3 flavours of this are also available).

Now what's the daily cost?

(And I'm talking about a 'buy early' thing and suffer just out of warranty, not a wait for a small hardware change or the miracle 'fix it' video on you tube to sort it out yourself - or for those that love their console but aren't really tech-savvy beyond their dozen buttons and couple of sticks on a controller - their realistic option is either take it to a man that can, or buy new.)

[Red October1984]

So my Xbox 360 quit working....and we got another one for $110

I'm going to ride it for all it's worth until I have to make the switch. :03:

[soopaman2]

*slaps a 40$ pair of RAM chips into his pc*

I just saved myself 300 $ buying a console, the only upgrade in the next gen consoles is RAM.
6 gigs of ram, thats it...That is all you get for 5 years. I cannot commit to a console, PC is not totally killed yet....almost, but not yet.

[Sailor Steve]

I don't see why this turned into an argument. Some people want consoles to play all their favorite games on. Some people want PCs to work on. Some want both.

I'm still using the same PC I bought in 2005 so I could play Silent Hunter III. I'm glad it hasn't died yet because I can't afford a new PC, console or anything at the moment.

[the_tyrant]

I see your maths, I'll add the RROD into the mix (PS3 flavours of this are also available).

Now what's the daily cost?

(And I'm talking about a 'buy early' thing and suffer just out of warranty, not a wait for a small hardware change or the miracle 'fix it' video on you tube to sort it out yourself - or for those that love their console but aren't really tech-savvy beyond their dozen buttons and couple of sticks on a controller - their realistic option is either take it to a man that can, or buy new.)

Well you see, the total generation survival rate of the Xbox 360 (for the original fat one) is approximately 60% according to a survey of a variety of sources. The PS3's (again, original fat one) fares better with a survival rate of like 75 percent.

Surprisingly, all my gaming hardware survived, the only one that "perished in the line of duty" was my PSP 3000, that died in the washing machine. So it was luck, and not hardware quality.

I understand the thinking, usually after 3 years, you get a new hardware revision for the consoles, and usually a 100$ price drop. And its true, 30% of all xboxes lived to see their 4th birthday.

However, lets redo the math with this as a consideration:

playstation 3 launch was in 2006, by the time the slim came out (aka, the new model that had a high survival rate), it was 2010.

The slim was 200$ cheaper, and according to my own data working at an electronics store, it costs 100$ to get your playstation (or xbox, we had a flat rate) fixed of major damage.

Now the new generation of consoles comes out on 2013. Thus if you buy the slim model, you would get 3 years of service time out of it. The old fat one would get you 7 years of service time (math is almost the same with the 360, so I'll do it once)

So the fat one is 599 at launch, and the slim launched at 399.


If you are lucky, and your console did not break. It would cost you 599/7 years is 23 cents per day. If you are unlucky, and you needed to get it fixed once, it would have cost you 27 cents (699/ 7 years) per day.

If you bought the slim, you would have gotten 3 years of service out of it. Its actually 36 cents a day!


Now I get that gaming habits are different, and for me, i usually phase my old devices out of service after games slowly start drying up.

However, in my experience, the "cheap" PS3 slim SKU is actually amazing as a media player, and thus it would vastly outlive the "console generation". While my little brother is watching the Toronto Blue Jays get beat up on the main TV, I'll just go to a secondary TV, pop on the PS3 slim that i got on sale, and turn on MLB TV. Its a great little machine for that use, and I can anticipate using it like that for a long time.

PS: So a thing that I like about the new consoles is actually how little power they consume. Both of them consume 100 something watts under full load. This might actually encourage me to phase out my old fat consoles that consume a ton of power, and even make my use my 1000 watt monster PC a bit less. I mean, considering that the average person spends like what, 4 hours a day in front of the boob tube? if I save 800 watts for 4 hours per day, for 7 years, it does add up.

[the_tyrant]

I don't see why this turned into an argument. Some people want consoles to play all their favorite games on. Some people want PCs to work on. Some want both.

I'm still using the same PC I bought in 2005 so I could play Silent Hunter III. I'm glad it hasn't died yet because I can't afford a new PC, console or anything at the moment.

Its not an argument man, just long form debate!:up:

[soopaman2]

I don't see why this turned into an argument. Some people want consoles to play all their favorite games on. Some people want PCs to work on. Some want both.

I'm still using the same PC I bought in 2005 so I could play Silent Hunter III. I'm glad it hasn't died yet because I can't afford a new PC, console or anything at the moment.

I was not arguing, just stating it is silly to buy an un-upgradable console. IMHO of course.

These things are always overpriced upon release, just trying to save some people some money, give it 6 months, unless that human drive to be "first" kicks in, or you got money to kill.

Kinda jealous of ya, as SH3 stopped working for me when I installed windows 7.

[the_tyrant]

I was not arguing, just stating it is silly to buy an un-upgradable console. IMHO of course.

These things are always overpriced upon release, just trying to save some people some money, give it 6 months, unless that human drive to be "first" kicks in, or you got money to kill.

Kinda jealous of ya, as SH3 stopped working for me when I installed windows 7.

Don't think that I'm trying to pick a fight, I just like to do math and analysis (I know, I'm the only one)

But honestly, no offence to you, your use case is very, very peculiar. In fact, your still worried about a game released in in 2005!

But assume you are an average gamer, not too hardcore, and mostly into the average stuff that most players are into. You probably don't have perfect vision, and you sit a reasonable distance from the TV. All you want, is to be able to enjoy the games your friends like, the popular stuff mainly.


Now in this case, I did the math. Gaming PCs are a horrible deal.

It is true, you can upgrade your PC, something that you cannot do with a console. However, it is a physical impossibility to stretch your PC into a whole generation.

Assume you spent a decent amount on a good PC in the beginning of the generation. You would have a Pentium D, Intel 965 chipset, and an ATI x1000 series or Nvidia 7000 line graphics card.

I cannot stretch that to work the whole generation. Buying a computer is a must if you want to enjoy new releases every year.

Why? First of all, your CPU would start to feel inadequate around 2008. Physics and AI would really tax your CPU, and with the proliferation of these programming techniques around 2008, a 2006 pentium D would struggle to even run quite a few of these games.

You can upgrade, into a Core 2 Duo. Its approximately 100 - 200 to keep up. If you don't, come 2010, and your computer will no longer be able to play the modern releases at any settings.

Around 2009, your graphics will start to feel inadequate. No card in 2006 supported Direct X 10, but as direct x 10 start to roll out, you would start to see performance drop. Games around this era would be completely unplayable on a lower end graphics card from 2006, and only playable on low on the top end cards from back in 2006.

Around 2010, the first direct X 10 exclusives start appearing, in order to enjoy them, you MUST upgrade your graphics. Than, you would find that your motherboard and PSU would really limit your upgrade potential. But lets assume you find a card friendly to your older system.

2010 is also the time when programs start dropping XP support (its 9 years old at this point). You would have to upgrade your OS if you want to enjoy mainline releases. Unfortunately, you would probably have to upgrade a lot of components in your computer to get it to work, as vista changed the drive model.

By 2011 - 2012, digital distribution has completely taken hold, and as game downloads have seriously ballooned, you would probably need a new hard drive. In which case, you would probably need an upgrade again.

by 2013, games start requiring more than 4 gb ram (the upper limit of the intel 965), it is impossible for you to get more than 4gb, and no matter how hard you try, you cannot stretch it into working.


If all you play is silent hunter 3, than all you need is a 299 computer. However, if you intend to enjoy popular new releases every year, it is physically impossible to stretch 1 single PC through a console generation.

And remember, consoles are cheap, under 500$. What kind of PC can you get for less than 500? Its improbable that the super cheap Acers can even survive more than 4 years without problems (i'm willing to guess less than 50%). (whereas at the 4 year mark, more than 70% of xbox 360s survived, more than 80% of PS3s survived).


I game on PCs and Consoles, but understand the limitations of both. PC gaming is expensive as hell. Just to play mainstream games every single year, it would cost you a TCO of 60 cents a day (throughout a generation, and the bare minimum), whereas console TCO is less than 30 cents a day (look at the math I did above, even assuming your console breaks once, its STILL cheaper than 30 cents a day)

[Sailor Steve]

Kinda jealous of ya, as SH3 stopped working for me when I installed windows 7.
There are many people who run SH3 just fine on Win7. Check the SH3 forums.

[Sailor Steve]

Don't think that I'm trying to pick a fight, I just like to do math and analysis (I know, I'm the only one)
Yet you're going out of your way to prove that you're right. I tried to explain that there is no right or wrong, just personal preference.

But honestly, no offence to you, your use case is very, very peculiar. In fact, your still worried about a game released in in 2005!
Unfortunately SH3 is still far and away the best submarine simulator available, if you want to experience a variety of u-boats in a full-war experience. Almost nine years and nothing has matched it yet. On the other hand I also play AOD and SH1, which date to 1994 and 1996 respectively.

But assume you are an average gamer, not too hardcore, and mostly into the average stuff that most players are into. You probably don't have perfect vision, and you sit a reasonable distance from the TV. All you want, is to be able to enjoy the games your friends like, the popular stuff mainly.
I, on the other hand, don't consider myself a gamer at all. I'm a hardcore history buff, and with a couple of exceptions I stick to games/sims that represent the history I love. I play flight simulators and ship simulators, and the occasional racing sim. That's it.


Now in this case, I did the math. Gaming PCs are a horrible deal...
All the above is true. I started feeling inadequate about the times you mentioned, not because of new games, but because mods for SH3 started outstripping my PC's abilities. My technology is also old so I can't even upgrade.

If all you play is silent hunter 3, than all you need is a 299 computer. However, if you intend to enjoy popular new releases every year, it is physically impossible to stretch 1 single PC through a console generation.
Not true. To play SH3 the way I want to requires the latest greatest PC I can buy, except for the part where I can't buy it. On the other hand my PC is mainly for work and research, and in that it is far more than I actually need. My ancient Atari 520ST did all the same work I'm doing now, just none of the online stuff.

My point was that to me it's fruitless to argue about which is better. Neither one suits everybody's needs, and depending on what you want out of a system one is certainly better than the other.

Just to clarify one thing, it wasn't you I was accusing of turning it into an argument. :sunny:

[Red October1984]

I don't see why this turned into an argument. Some people want consoles to play all their favorite games on. Some people want PCs to work on. Some want both.

Pretty much a Fan Boy thing as I see it.

Well you see, the total generation survival rate of the Xbox 360 (for the original fat one) is approximately 60% according to a survey of a variety of sources. The PS3's (again, original fat one) fares better with a survival rate of like 75 percent.

And its true, 30% of all xboxes lived to see their 4th birthday.

I had very very good experiences with the Xbox 360 Elite 120GB that I got in 2006. It survived 7 years and it would keep on going if there wasn't such a bad electrical storm.

Only one RROD in its lifetime. I've heard of people having problems with them...but even my friends...none of them have ever had any issues and they've had them just as long or just under how long I had my Elite.

Now, I have an Arcade "Fat" model with the Elite HDD and wiring hooked up. It's an old 2005-06 model and it runs great.

I've just never had very many bad experiences with Xbox...my original Xbox still even works! :yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

Pretty much a Fan Boy thing as I see it.
You're probably right. Don't listen to me anyway. I'm just being a curmudgeon.

I've just never had very many bad experiences with Xbox...my original Xbox still even works! :yeah:
My original Playstation I bought in '96 still works. :sunny:

[Red October1984]

My original Playstation I bought in '96 still works. :sunny:

I actually thought about getting one....I found a store who sells them and a bunch of games. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Be advised that there is at least one known manufacturing issue with some of the new consoles, related to erratic wiring of the HDMI contact. Google "blue pulse of death". It seems to effect 0.4% of the produced consoles so far. Sony is aware of it.

Possible there is more technical problems as well. Later rebuilds of the console in question sometimes led to less noise, less warmth, less power consumption, less unreliability with any given component.

I would not buy right now, not this early.

But I do not plan to buy a console at all. I found that for my simulation and game interests I need a PC.

[Sailor Steve]

I actually thought about getting one....I found a store who sells them and a bunch of games. :hmmm:
PM me an address and I'll send you one for free. I haven't taken it out of the drawer in several years, and don't even have a TV to use it with. Also all the games I have.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Well you see, the total generation survival rate of <SNIP> it does add up.

:salute: Thanks for responding to my comments, and for doing more maths.

I think I've still got my original Playstation from '96 too, don't think it reads the disks any more though but it served me well from -29°C to +40°C, and it'd been thoroughly abused in tents and hotels on ops and exercises in UK fields, German airfields, Italy, Kosovo, Bahrain, Oman, by roughly 80 different people. :sunny:

[Jimbuna]

I remember when I was younger and used to play 'tents' a lot.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Need to find a Fry meme that says 'Not sure if Jim is being serious or rude?' :hmm2:

[Jimbuna]

Believe me...it was a serious business.

[Red October1984]

PM me an address and I'll send you one for free. I haven't taken it out of the drawer in several years, and don't even have a TV to use it with. Also all the games I have.

Oh I wouldn't find the time to make use of it. I've got enough stuff as it is.

Thanks for the offer though....maybe someday.

Need to find a Fry meme that says 'Not sure if Jim is being serious or rude?' :hmm2:

Believe me...it was a serious business.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[NeonSamurai]

Don't think that I'm trying to pick a fight, I just like to do math and analysis (I know, I'm the only one)

<snip>


Hmm ok, well as a gamer who has done exactly that and does not try to stay cutting edge, you can do it and it doesn't have to cost a fortune, it just means you don't run your games maxed out after a while.

Anyhow I spotted several issues with your math. First off your are not including all the other expenses associated with a console, such as a TV. With the new consoles if you want to see the higher end graphics, you are probably going to need a new tv, or have bought a new tv recently if you want the graphics. Then there are the monthly costs to hook up your console to the net (both companies are now charging for services), and these add up fast over several years. Then there is the price difference in games between consoles and pc, which also adds up. You also don't have access to services like steam which can save a large fortune in games if you wait a bit before purchasing. There are also addons and accessories for consoles too (bigger hard drive for the ps4 for example) plus extra controllers, etc.. Also you do need to account for the fact that a PC is so much more than just a game machine/video player, and can do many many things that a console cannot. That factors into the cost as well.

Lastly with the indi game scene just exploding, you really don't need a top line computer, and graphical power curve is starting to slow as it is getting just too expensive to make ever increasingly graphically detailed games. Towards the end of the 7 years you may not have a computer that can run the latest games all maxed out, but then again the consoles never came near to the graphics capabilities of a PC even in year one.

IF you know how, you can also pretty much do the home console thing with a pc, even without steam, complete with xbox 360 controllers. The only real issue is how some of the publishers tend to treat PC in certain genres such as sports games *cough cough* EASports *cough*. There are certain console games I would love to have (Red Dead Redemption and Gran Turismo off the top of my head), but I have no desire to buy one, as it is not worth the cost, especially not in addition to a PC.

Oh and lastly, the person that waited a couple of years to get an xbox 360 or ps3 is probably going to wait as long on the newest console as well, so they are probably going to get 7 years out of the system too.

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