Top ten Politicians you admire and loathe the most...

[Bubblehead1980]

They can be current, former etc Just curious...

Top 10 I loathe are....



1.Barack Obama

2.Nancy Pelosi

3. Harry Reid

4.John Boehner

5.Abraham Lincoln

6.Woodrow Wilson

7.Lyndon Johnson

8.Robert Kennedy

9.Hillary Clinton

10.Andrew Johnson


Top 10 I admire etc.

1.Andrew Jackson

2,Ronald Reagan

3.Barry Goldwater

4.Thomas Jefferson

5.George Washington

6.John Adams

7.Ron Paul

8.Margaret Thatcher

9.Winston Churchill

10.Ted Cruz

[Stealhead]

So you consider Andrew Jackson to most admirable yet you also consider him to be worthy enough to be at number ten in your loath list.


I only have some that I find generally admirable for the most part though they where imperfect just like all humans.

1) Thomas Jefferson
2) Theodore Roosevelt



Worthy of loathing (really a tie for the top spot)
1) Adolf Hitler
2) Joseph Stalin
3) The mayor of Toronto with the crack smoking video seems pretty worthless

[TarJak]

Loathe all of them. Admire none.

[Bubblehead1980]

So you consider Andrew Jackson to most admirable yet you also consider him to be worthy enough to be at number ten in your loath list.


I only have some that I find generally admirable for the most part though they where imperfect just like all humans.

1) Thomas Jefferson
2) Theodore Roosevelt



Worthy of loathing (really a tie for the top spot)
1) Adolf Hitler
2) Joseph Stalin
3) The mayor of Toronto with the crack smoking video seems pretty worthless


Are you confusing Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson?

Admire Andrew Jackson, and loathe Andrew JOHNSON

[Cybermat47]

Loathe:

1) Adolf Hitler

2) Josef Stalin

3) Benito Mussolini

4) Hideki Tojo

5) Tony Abbot

6) William Morris Hughes

7) Julia Gillard

8) Margaret Thatcher

9) Barry O'Farrel


Admire:

1) Kevin Rudd

2) Winston Churchill


I don't know any more politicians :huh:

[Bubblehead1980]

Loathe:

1) Adolf Hitler

2) Josef Stalin

3) Benito Mussolini

4) Tony Abbot

5) William Morris Hughes

6) Julia Gillard

7) Margaret Thatcher

8) Barry O'Farrel


Admire:

1) Kevin Rudd

2) Winston Churchill


I don't know any more politicians :huh:

How could you loathe Thatcher? Pretty much the last decent PM the Brits have had.Sure could use someone like her again.

[Cybermat47]

How could you loathe Thatcher? Pretty much the last decent PM the Brits have had.Sure could use someone like her again.

I won't answer that, I'll leave it to Bossmark...

[Jimbuna]

I won't answer that, I'll leave it to Bossmark...

I shudder at the thought.

[Skybird]

Don't get me even started. The most useless and unneeded trouble makers mankind has ever invented. Neither natural disasters nor pandemic outbreaks of diseases have costed mankind so dearly as the caste of politicians have. All evil that ordinary men avoid and that people of a nation do not call for and do not cause, politicians have enforced time and again - by decision and intention, ambition and recklessness. Politicians are a biblical plague. And it seems it has been like that since all beginning on.

[Tchocky]

Remember folks, politicians are a different species.

The act of being elected mutates DNA at chromosome level. Homo Horribilis

It could be your friend or family member, once elected they're not who they used to be. The sooner you get used to the idea of ramming a stake through their eyes the better.

Politicians hearts pump not blood, but an oily viscous goo that boils when exposed to sunlight.

Politicians. They're not people.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Sure could use someone like her again.

BLiar tried his best to emulate her. Fail.

Cameron trying to emulate BLair. Win.

:nope:

[Nippelspanner]

Except from hate, flame and mad discussions, what could ever come from this thread?

[Skybird]

Remember folks, politicians are a different species.

The act of being elected mutates DNA at chromosome level. Homo Horribilis

It could be your friend or family member, once elected they're not who they used to be. The sooner you get used to the idea of ramming a stake through their eyes the better.


When you have a process of elections where the liars, the sweet-talkers, the unscrupulous, most of the time win because they tell the people what they want to hear, you have a system then that rewards immorality. And when those knowing the bitter truths and offering nothing but tears and blood, stand no chance for people do not wish to hear that, and when the alternative to this is violent regimes where the dogs with the, longest fangs claim power - what else do you expect to get?

How could you get anything else than right what we get in abundance...?

What we get is right what we deserve. Because we follow the rules that make certain that this and nothing else must be the outcome, necessarily. The game is corrupt., The rules corrupt the players. Those few not allowing to get corrupted, get crucified or stay isolated and impotent.

So, politics do not "change politicians' genes". Its exactly the other way around. "Changed genes" are a precondition for entering the political arena. Those few the may qualify as exceptions form the rule, remain powerless and uninfluential, and sooner or later get eaten. My sympathy is limited. When you swim with the sharks in their very own pool and play the game by their very own rules, you need to expect that you sooner or later get bitten.

[Nippelspanner]

Remember folks, politicians are a different species.

The act of being elected mutates DNA at chromosome level. Homo Horribilis

It could be your friend or family member, once elected they're not who they used to be. The sooner you get used to the idea of ramming a stake through their eyes the better.

Politicians hearts pump not blood, but an oily viscous goo that boils when exposed to sunlight.

Politicians. They're not people.
+1 for post of the year :haha:

[Admiral Halsey]

Why do you loathe Lincoln Bubble? Sure he did a lot wrong but he kept the Union together in the end and also ended slavery.(Also if he hadn't been assassinated we may never have even needed the civil rights movement.)

[MH]

Obama is #1 forever.:haha:

1)Ozzy Osbourne?

[Armistead]

Loathe

Carter
GW Bush
Obama
Palin.....#1
Reid



Admire

Kennedy
Eisenhower
Bill Clinton
Reagan
Ron Paul

[Betonov]

Loathe

janez jansa
alenka bratusek
anyone else in Ljubljana
anyone else anywhere else

tolerate

Bill Clinton
Boris Yeltsin
Zoran Djindjic
JFK
Ron Paul

Admire

Teddy Roosevelt
Josip Broz Tito
Augustus Ceasar

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

alenka bratusekMarionette Circus is still running as usual? :hmmm:

[Betonov]

Marionette Circus is still running as usual? :hmmm:

Yep. And the puppet master has cronical twitching. I hope the strings entangle around her neck soon. Literally or figurately.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Loathed:
Antonio Villaraigosa
Arnold Schwarzenegger
GW Bush
John Boehner (and that's pronounced BOEHNER not "bay-ner")
Ted Cruz
Palin and Bachmann
Paul Ryan
Donald Trump
Joseph McCarthy
Jerry Brown
I think Hitler and Stalin, among the many other genocidal despots, are givens on anyone's list (well, the majority)

Admired:
Franklin Roosevelt
J.F Kennedy
Eisenhower
Thomas Jefferson
John Adams
Churchill
Napoleon (not as a man, but as a leader)

[Stealhead]

Are you confusing Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson?

Admire Andrew Jackson, and loathe Andrew JOHNSON

No I obviously misread Johnson.

[Wolferz]

Sure, some of them start out as white hats but soon get indoctrinated into the good ol' boys club where if you ain't with them. YOU AIN'T

I loathe all and admire none because the majority of them start out as lawyers.

We all know that there is no such thing as an honest lawyer.

Q: What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of ( insert favorite river here )

A: A real good start.

[Bubblehead1980]

Why do you loathe Lincoln Bubble? Sure he did a lot wrong but he kept the Union together in the end and also ended slavery.(Also if he hadn't been assassinated we may never have even needed the civil rights movement.)


Well, Lincoln launched a war of aggression that killed 800,000 people, left millions scarred physically and emotionally for life, left millions in poverty , just an untold amount of human suffering all so the federal government could show it's power.Lincoln permitted his Generals to act like savages and he himself acted as a tyrant, suspending habeas corpus, jailing northerners who were critical of his abuses for the entire war.Many of the problems still plaguing the south goes back to the civil war and Lincoln's actions.I loathe him for this and especially how he gets praised as such great leader when the man is directly responsible for such horrible crimes against his fellow americans, he was not the great man he has been made out to be, I sadly once bought into this phony legacy, sadly. Ultimately, I am glad we are one nation, but this end did not justify his means, it was wrong and he should be remembered for what is was.

[Bubblehead1980]

Sure, some of them start out as white hats but soon get indoctrinated into the good ol' boys club where if you ain't with them. YOU AIN'T

I loathe all and admire none because the majority of them start out as lawyers.

We all know that there is no such thing as an honest lawyer.

Q: What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of ( insert favorite river here )

A: A real good start.


Well everyone hates lawyers until they really need one.I agree, some make my chosen profession look bad, but like cops, are a necessary evil in many cases.Do the job properly, a lawyer is a pretty noble position.Perhaps I am idealistic about it, but that is how I feel.Cops are same way, fairly noble job, if conducted properly.

[Red October1984]

Remember folks, politicians are a different species.

The act of being elected mutates DNA at chromosome level. Homo Horribilis

It could be your friend or family member, once elected they're not who they used to be. The sooner you get used to the idea of ramming a stake through their eyes the better.

Politicians hearts pump not blood, but an oily viscous goo that boils when exposed to sunlight.

Politicians. They're not people.

This guy just drilled the nail with one tap of the hammer.

Perfect post.... :rotfl2:

[Stealhead]

Well everyone hates lawyers until they really need one.I agree, some make my chosen profession look bad, but like cops, are a necessary evil in many cases.Do the job properly, a lawyer is a pretty noble position.Perhaps I am idealistic about it, but that is how I feel.Cops are same way, fairly noble job, if conducted properly.


Hardly an equal comparison.

A good cop/law enforcement has an altruistic mind set and places themselves in a situation where they have to deal with the lowest of society they help people who can not get help anywhere else, they have to see things that most people do not want to see and deal with all that is bad in society.All of this and they will never make much money even though they work twice as hard as and take many times more risk in performing their job than a lawyer does.

[Oberon]

Cabinet Secretary Humphrey Appleby for the win. :03:

Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?

Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?

Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We 'had' to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.

Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?

Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.

Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?

Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.

Hacker: What appalling cynicism.

Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.

[TarJak]

But of course Sir Humphrey Appleby was the ultimate anti politician civil servant and definitely not a politician.

[Oberon]

But of course Sir Humphrey Appleby was the ultimate anti politician civil servant and definitely not a politician.

I know, I know...but the opportunity was too good to pass up, and if I had to think too hard at this time of the day then I might actually end up giving a serious answer, and that wouldn't be a good thing at all. :03:

[STEED]

Loathe all of them. Admire none.

In my life time I agree, I'm still waiting for a PM that has a brain.

[Jimbuna]

In my life time I agree, I'm still waiting for a PM that has a brain.

I thought Michael Foot would have been your type of guy :hmmm:

[Bubblehead1980]

Hardly an equal comparison.

A good cop/law enforcement has an altruistic mind set and places themselves in a situation where they have to deal with the lowest of society they help people who can not get help anywhere else, they have to see things that most people do not want to see and deal with all that is bad in society.All of this and they will never make much money even though they work twice as hard as and take many times more risk in performing their job than a lawyer does.


hmm a cop, who works for the government and sole job is to cite or arrest someone who has broken the law, often arbitrary, needless laws.A para military culture that does not value constitutional rights and treats every citizen as guilty until proven innocent.The long list of abuses are not just the few.Yes, there are good cops who try to do right, but they are few and far between and will do what they are told most of the time, under the guise of "just doing their job"

A lawyer's job is to uphold the right's of citizens.The criminal defense attorney defends citizens from being fined, imprisoned, and in some cases murdered(executed) by the government.The civil attorney protects your rights in many ways, from making sure if you are injured etc due to someone's negligence etc you have a way to minimize the damage.They protect you from baseless slander. Some lawyers are scumbags sure, good and bad in both professions but in general, removing the people from and just talking about which is a more noble profession? Lawyer wins hands down. There is a reason many of the founders were lawyers.

[TarJak]

They needed someone to do the paperwork. ;) Gee you talk some right bollocks sometimes bubbles.

[Stealhead]

hmm a cop, who works for the government and sole job is to cite or arrest someone who has broken the law, often arbitrary, needless laws.A para military culture that does not value constitutional rights and treats every citizen as guilty until proven innocent.The long list of abuses are not just the few.Yes, there are good cops who try to do right, but they are few and far between and will do what they are told most of the time, under the guise of "just doing their job"

A lawyer's job is to uphold the right's of citizens.The criminal defense attorney defends citizens from being fined, imprisoned, and in some cases murdered(executed) by the government.The civil attorney protects your rights in many ways, from making sure if you are injured etc due to someone's negligence etc you have a way to minimize the damage.They protect you from baseless slander. Some lawyers are scumbags sure, good and bad in both professions but in general, removing the people from and just talking about which is a more noble profession? Lawyer wins hands down. There is a reason many of the founders were lawyers.

I agree with Tarjak on this one on one hand you compare a good lawyer to a good cop.then you sit and say how horrible must cops are and how great most lawyers must be.

I have great confidence if a poll where taken and the question what profession do you most dislike lawyer would be at the top and law enforcement would be far from the top.

I am fully aware of what lawyers do and the different kinds of law.Interesting that you completely ignored an entire facet of law.

The founding fathers that where lawyers would be very disgusted if they saw how the current legal system works.

Also only 25 of the 56 signers of the Deceleration of Independence where lawyers and of the 55 framers of the Constitution 32 where lawyers so there was no massive majority of lawyers as you imply using the term many.(a large number of)

Jefferson one of your most admired was only a lawyer for five years.

[Armistead]

I agree with Tarjak on this one on one hand you compare a good lawyer to a good cop.then you sit and say how horrible must cops are and how great most lawyers must be.

I have great confidence if a poll where taken and the question what profession do you most dislike lawyer would be at the top and law enforcement would be far from the top.

The founding fathers that where lawyers would be very disgusted if they saw how the current legal system works.

Also only 25 of the 55 signers of the Deceleration of Independence where lawyers and of the 55 framers of the Constitution 32 where lawyers so actually the majority of the founders where not in fact lawyers.

Jefferson one of your most admired was only a lawyer for five years.

Why Washington is so screwed and crooked, lawyers posing as politicians..

[Stealhead]

Why Washington is so screwed and crooked, lawyers posing as politicians..
You pulled ninja on my post I typoed "56" and added a little.:wah:

Besides that the founding fathers especially the famous ones that where lawyers also happen to be men of many interests and professions not just law.Law is not the only way to negotiate nor is it the only way to create laws in a nation.

Notice that in order to be a elected to congress heck even the most powerful seat in the nation being a lawyer is not a requirement.Lawyers are not the end all be alls that Bubblehead1980 makes them out to be.

I hope he gets better at convincing people or making them have doubt or that he is better in real life than he is on this forum as based on what we have to see he seems rather poor at making a convincing argument.I am sure that he thinks that I dislike him because I am some liberal bleed heart which is pretty far from the truth.

One can be noble and have any trade it is not the trade that makes a person noble it is their actions.To say that a specific job is some how more noble than another is beside the point.

I would argue that the most noble person is one who teaches others be they a school teacher or a drill instructor by teaching/training a person they are spreading knowledge now that is noble.

[TarJak]

Polls on most respected professions

Straya: http://m.smh.com.au/business/the-most-trusted--and-the-least-20130502-2iusc.html

Merica: http://www.forbes.com/2006/07/28/leadership-careers-jobs-cx_tvr_0728admired.html

Lawyers; mediocre in Australia. Rubbished in America.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Polls on most respected professions

Straya: http://m.smh.com.au/business/the-most-trusted--and-the-least-20130502-2iusc.html

Merica: http://www.forbes.com/2006/07/28/leadership-careers-jobs-cx_tvr_0728admired.html

Lawyers; mediocre in Australia. Rubbished in America.Readers' Digest conducted poll in 15 countries last year where they asked whether or not they trusted into professionals of give profession. Few examples for finnish results: firefighters 98%, police 94%, judges 71%, lawyers 58%, financial advisers 24% and politicians 9%.

Results in finnish: http://www.valitutpalat.fi/luotetuinmerkki2012/Luottamus%20ammattien%20edustajiin%202012.pdf

[Stealhead]

Car sales men seem to be the least liked/trusted I think we can all agree on that.:up:

[Dread Knot]

Car sales men seem to be the least liked/trusted I think we can all agree on that.:up:


It's the obnoxious plaid that generates the distrust. Makes even Kurt Russell seem oily.

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