View Full Version : Murder 'must not besmirch marines'
Jimbuna
11-10-13, 09:02 AM
Whilst I find myself unable to condone what has happened, nor can I criticise....being in a war situation must have an undescribeable impact on your train of thought.
The conviction of a Royal Marine for murdering an injured Afghan insurgent should not "besmirch" the organisation, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
Speaking to marines at Downing Street, Mr Cameron said the "appalling" case in no way represented the spirit and proud history of the Royal Marines.
The sergeant, identified only as Marine A, was convicted over the shooting of the unknown man in 2011 on Friday.
A retired commander has said he should be shown leniency when he is sentenced.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24877081
Herr-Berbunch
11-10-13, 09:17 AM
I agree - can't condone nor criticise, the deaths and mutilation of friends in the period running up to this must surely have had an impact but can't be an excuse.
Only the other day I read something from an Argentinian officer involved in a fierce battle in the Falklands. He'd written to the opposing regiment's association thanking them for dealing professionally with the wounded and dead immediately after the battle. Big difference here, but then it's not a uniformed army they are against.
Platapus
11-10-13, 10:55 AM
[quote[Marine A faces a mandatory life sentence but a minimum term will be set on 6 December. [/quote]
I am not sure I understand this sentence. Is this some nuance of UK Law?
Jimbuna
11-10-13, 11:19 AM
[quote[Marine A faces a mandatory life sentence but a minimum term will be set on 6 December.
I am not sure I understand this sentence. Is this some nuance of UK Law?[/QUOTE]
A life sentence in the UK is mandatory if convicted of murder but the judge then decides the minimum term in years that must be served before any consideration can be given to a release date.
CaptainMattJ.
11-10-13, 02:39 PM
I am not sure I understand this sentence. Is this some nuance of UK Law?
A life sentence in the UK is mandatory if convicted of murder but the judge then decides the minimum term in years that must be served before any consideration can be given to a release date.[/QUOTE]
Is there any circumstances where this is not the case? Something like a crime of passion kind of scenario?
Jimbuna
11-10-13, 02:48 PM
It is possible to be found guilty of murder but after taking into account any mitigation the judge may allow you to walk free.
I'm not sure if and how many times this has happened but a little research would probably uncover something.
Life as a prison sentence generally means a minimum of seven years upward to actual life.
In this case the problem comes more from the presence of a camera. No camera no case. Sad outcome for all concerned.
Jimbuna
11-10-13, 04:40 PM
In this case the problem comes more from the presence of a camera. No camera no case. Sad outcome for all concerned.
Rgr that.
Nippelspanner
11-10-13, 04:51 PM
In this case the problem comes more from the presence of a camera. No camera no case. Sad outcome for all concerned.
Uh, what?
In this case, the problem was a soldier failing his duty knowingly breaking the law/Geneva convention, cam or no cam. You make it sound as it would have been better to sweep it under the rug. Nothing happened, move along.
Do I understand his actions? Completely!
Yet that doesn't make it right. Law is law, he knew what he was doing.
Jimbuna
11-10-13, 05:00 PM
Uh, what?
In this case, the problem was a soldier failing his duty knowingly breaking the law/Geneva convention, cam or no cam. You make it sound as it would have been better to sweep it under the rug. Nothing happened, move along.
Do I understand his actions? Completely!
Yet that doesn't make it right. Law is law, he knew what he was doing.
And he has been found guilty...hopefully an appropriate sentence will be forthcoming.
Uh, what?
In this case, the problem was a soldier failing his duty knowingly breaking the law/Geneva convention, cam or no cam. You make it sound as it would have been better to sweep it under the rug. Nothing happened, move along.
Do I understand his actions? Completely!
Yet that doesn't make it right. Law is law, he knew what he was doing.
Not at all. He did wrong and has been convicted for it. However had there been no camera the case is very unlikely to have come about at all.
Madox58
11-10-13, 05:47 PM
Yea. We want to be so perfectly correct to the enemy out to destroy our way of life.
:nope:
How many of the Taliban have been convicted of doing the same thing?
How many of the Axis troops during WWII did the same?
How many of those actually hung for those crimes?
How many Allied troops did the same?
War is Hell. You kill the other side.
Given that I once shot a Guy in the foot, then killed the others that came to help him, then killed him?
I should be in prison. eh?
Probably but not for that. :O:
Madox58
11-10-13, 05:57 PM
Probably but not for that. :O:
I thought we were never gonna bring up the Midget Pony in Houston!
:o
:haha:
I I forgot. You know you shouldn't do that stuff while driving. :O:
Madox58
11-10-13, 06:25 PM
It would have been a non-issue if Jim would have held it still!
:haha:
:har: He was hanging on for dear life. Couldn't hold himself still if he tried.
Cybermat47
11-10-13, 07:17 PM
Still not as controversial as the time a US Marine threw a puppy off a cliff.
Stealhead
11-11-13, 12:12 AM
Still not as controversial as the time a US Marine threw a puppy off a cliff.
Some people care more about animals than they do humans.People in the US(and doubt in Western Europe and Australia) some treat their dog just like a human being and even think of having dogs as equal to having actual children.I like my pets and treat them well but not on that level.
In the US people have murdered other people because they ran over their pet in some cases the person stopped to "help" only to get killed by a nut other times they got chased down by the owner.There are people in the Us who would not bat an eye if everyone in some third world country died but would be distraught over the death of a dog or cat.
As if a puppy would have had a good life in Afghanistan most will die young if they live long enough they are used as fighting dogs not such a great life.With NATO troops it would not be much better they use the flea killing collars on themselves and wear one around each ankle to try and kill fleas which are rampant over there.And chances are that someone that dislikes dogs will shoot it sooner or later.
Jimbuna
11-11-13, 03:28 AM
I thought we were never gonna bring up the Midget Pony in Houston!
:o
:haha:
Todd was a shivering wreck for a week after that experience :)
Cybermat47
11-11-13, 04:13 AM
Some people care more about animals than they do humans.People in the US(and doubt in Western Europe and Australia) some treat their dog just like a human being and even think of having dogs as equal to having actual children.I like my pets and treat them well but not on that level.
That was my point...
Platapus
11-11-13, 07:02 PM
I thought we were never gonna bring up the Midget Pony in Houston!
:o
:haha:
Should not have had that camera with you then. :03:
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