Abhorring and Disgusting display of police brutality

[CaptainMattJ.]

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.UnlwHxDAHHy

This amounts to nothing less than rape, battery, and outrageously unethical and disgusting medical malpractice. I hope they get thrown in jail for a long time. Absolutely disgusting. :nope:

[Moonlight]

Good grief when did your police force start wearing jackboots?:nope: I remember a time when the TV police dramas like Hill Street Blues portrayed them as the good guys, how times have changed.:down:

[Madox58]

Sure makes a Yubba or Bubble thread worth a second thought.
:hmmm:

I doubt I'd make it to the 'I'm sueing you' level.
I'd only make it to the latest 'Suspect kills' level.
:nope:

[Bubblehead1980]

Yep, not shocked but am disgusted, sad part is, incidents of brutality and misbehavior are not uncommon.I would love to be the victim's attorney.The Officers involved should be fired, arrested and serve jail time.The doctor's should lose their licenses permanently and be registered sex offenders.The victim should get a public apology and a million dollar settlement.A real example should be made of all those involved, this is just outrageous.

This is a result of the ridiculous, paramilitary culture of police in the united states.A system that needs a major reform that is never reformed is the criminal justice system.I briefly considered a career in law enforcement, spent many hours on ride alongs in various places, mainly my hometown(which has plenty of crime, shootings etc) seen exactly what police face BUT I have also seen how even good people who are in LE, fall into the culture.They see it as good guys vs bad and the ends justify the means.Respect for constitutional rights is no always the first thing on their mind.This is the prevalent culture across police departments, sheriffs offices in this country.State Police and Highway patrol USUALLY seem to be a little less gung ho in some regards but then they treat relatively minor things like the crime of the century.Federal LE, they are in a league of their own in their abuses and must be curtailed.

[Herr-Berbunch]

All for not stopping at a stop sign. :o

I agree with the above comments!

[Sailor Steve]

I'm amazed at the temerity of the Medical Center's people, billing the guy for the procedures the police forced him to have with a warrant issued in another county. I can't wait to see how the lawsuit goes.

[Wolferz]

I do not consent to searches of my person or my property by officers, doctors or dogs. Whoever issued the warrant in this travesty of justice needs to be arrested and prosecuted on a violation of civil rights charge right next to the rest of the actors.
Grabbing your bum is not probable cause for what these yahoos subjected the man to.
At least they didn't perform the cavity search on the side of the road like those two pervert cops in Texas did to the two women awhile back. Using the same pair of gloves.

What really struck me as odd in the story was all the Hispanic surnames and how they all acted like those corrupt police in Mexico. They apparently felt that this alleged perp was guilty of drug smuggling even though they could find no evidence after the first three tries. If this is how they protect and serve the public, then they can just stop protecting me.:hmmm:

Maybe all those cops were drug dealers or users themselves and they were desperate to replenish their stock.:shifty:

[Stealhead]

Wow that is pretty crazy hard to believe that the center people went along with it.Anyway I hope the guy reuses to take a settlement I can see him easily winning civil suit and getting several million dollars.

@Wolf it was in New Mexico you have lots people out west that are of Mexican heritage.I doubt it has much of anything to do with their ethnic background(I have met many guys from Texas,Arizona,New Mexico that had Spanish sir names to which that was the only "hispanic" thing about them juts like a 4th or 5th generation guy with a German or Italian name.

I recall an experiment performed at a university in the 1970's where a group of men from various back grounds both ethnic and economic where split into two groups one where the "inmates" of a simulated prison the other half where the "guards".The goal of the experiment was to see how people would behave if they where given unchecked powers.So the guards where allowed to do what ever they wanted with no restrictions even if they broke the set rules they where not stopped.Well after a few days it got out of hand and they stopped the experiment.Of course this was to test how both guards and prisoners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

[AVGWarhawk]

I would hate to see what happens if the fella really did do something wrong. Sheesh...insane.

[Oberon]

I recall an experiment performed at a university in the 1970's where a group of men from various back grounds both ethnic and economic where split into two groups one where the "inmates" of a simulated prison the other half where the "guards".The goal of the experiment was to see how people would behave if they where given unchecked powers.So the guards where allowed to do what ever they wanted with no restrictions even if they broke the set rules they where not stopped.Well after a few days it got out of hand and they stopped the experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

The BBC did a similar experiment a few years back, called 'The Experiment':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Experiment

It might be around on youtube somewhere, makes for interesting watching. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Tis a funnel...not a tunnel :o

I hope the guys litigation is successful.

[Stealhead]

Even though this kind of thing does happen I really do not feel that law enforcement is out of control in the US.You can d and say things to cops here and 99% of the time have no fear.

For example one can choose to be fairly hostile in attitude and even disrespectful and nothing will happen to them.In many nations this is not the case at all.

I recall back in high school we had this exchange student from Brazil and a group us went to a movie one Friday night and he came along.We the theater was attached to a mall and there was a police officer there kind of a chubby fellow as well. Anyway a few people where openly making fun of him calling him "fat piggy" stuff like and unless he was deaf he could hear what they said.anyway the cop did not do anything.The kid from Brazil was shocked at how the cop reacted in Brazil you would never dare insult a cop in anyway.

Yeah there are abuses here and there but by and large in the US the police give people plenty of leeway.I think when you have incidents with cops that push it too far the higher ups can be blamed that particular precinct or perhaps entire department most likely has poor over sight and poor leadership that allows people to go too far.

Maybe I am just lucky(sarcastic intent here) I have only had one non traffic ticket type encounter with the law in the civilian world.And my attitude during the encounter was certainty not a "I will do what ever you say sir" at the same time I was not "asking for trouble" either I respectfully stood my ground as to the situation which was an attempt by one of the cops to nab me for public intoxication/open container he got me for neither because I did not allow him the opportunity to and he knew that i was not drunk and the OC hit was bogus at a tailgate party where there are 25,000 other people doing the same thing.The way I see it is that you have no idea what kind a cop/s you are dealing with are they the reasonable ones or are they the hall monitor types? You have no idea so best to proceed with caution and not give them any reason to come at you.Speak softly and carry a big stick if they violate your rights let them know when you slap the law suit against them not before hand because the authority abuser will butt heads with.

Not saying that the guy in this incident did anything to deserve all of the probing so far as the story has been laid out.

[nikimcbee]

It's in NM. I thought they nailed Heisnburg.

http://images.wikia.com/breakingbad/images/archive/2/24/20130806011627!Heisenberg-large.png

[Nippelspanner]

What Happened
While there, Eckert was subjected to repeated and humiliating forced medical procedures. A review of Eckert's medical records, which he released to KOB, and details in the lawsuit show the following happened:


1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.



Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures.
What the hell? :doh:
No words...

[Bubblehead1980]

Even though this kind of thing does happen I really do not feel that law enforcement is out of control in the US.You can d and say things to cops here and 99% of the time have no fear.

For example one can choose to be fairly hostile in attitude and even disrespectful and nothing will happen to them.In many nations this is not the case at all.

I recall back in high school we had this exchange student from Brazil and a group us went to a movie one Friday night and he came along.We the theater was attached to a mall and there was a police officer there kind of a chubby fellow as well. Anyway a few people where openly making fun of him calling him "fat piggy" stuff like and unless he was deaf he could hear what they said.anyway the cop did not do anything.The kid from Brazil was shocked at how the cop reacted in Brazil you would never dare insult a cop in anyway.

Yeah there are abuses here and there but by and large in the US the police give people plenty of leeway.I think when you have incidents with cops that push it too far the higher ups can be blamed that particular precinct or perhaps entire department most likely has poor over sight and poor leadership that allows people to go too far.

Maybe I am just lucky(sarcastic intent here) I have only had one non traffic ticket type encounter with the law in the civilian world.And my attitude during the encounter was certainty not a "I will do what ever you say sir" at the same time I was not "asking for trouble" either I respectfully stood my ground as to the situation which was an attempt by one of the cops to nab me for public intoxication/open container he got me for neither because I did not allow him the opportunity to and he knew that i was not drunk and the OC hit was bogus at a tailgate party where there are 25,000 other people doing the same thing.The way I see it is that you have no idea what kind a cop/s you are dealing with are they the reasonable ones or are they the hall monitor types? You have no idea so best to proceed with caution and not give them any reason to come at you.Speak softly and carry a big stick if they violate your rights let them know when you slap the law suit against them not before hand because the authority abuser will butt heads with.

Not saying that the guy in this incident did anything to deserve all of the probing so far as the story has been laid out.



Well, we have the first amendment and unless behavior is coming to the point of violating statutes concerning disorderly conduct, not much they can do legally.Still not smart to just randomly heckle a cop, they can arrest you for whatever, probably beat the rap but can't beat the ride as they say.

Police culture is out of control though, I guess since I saw the inside, I became friends, good friends with several cops, actually managed to date the one good looking female cop I ever saw around there lol, which had it's perks. Anyways, most are good people doing a job, which can be tough but the prevailing culture is one of "us vs them" which explains why incidents of misconduct and brutality are not really rare.Common thing that occurs is cops lie to suspects during investigations etc.Most common one I noticed is on DUI cases, suspects will be hesitant to perform sobriety tests, especially the breathalyzer, which is just helping the government convict them if they do.However, saw many cops tell them "Well things will go easier if you cooperate" or "well you license will be suspended" and heard many people tell me that story and I just cringe since if convicted will lose your license anyways, why help them convict you? Always tell my friends, politely refuse all sobriety tests, unless they have a video of you falling down drunk, much easier to win the case at trial if they even go to trial and don't drop it or offer a softball plea.I have seen people who I could tell were drunk, beat it at trial, 2 am, they were sleepy etc, it works but with scientific proof like a breathalyzer, you are screwed.Also, the old routine where cops lie and get people to incriminate themselves, tell them someone turned on then, they have this evidence etc when they don't.Yes, that is why have right to remain silent but most people don't full get this, don't think a cop can lie to them.These kind of tactics are wrong and should not be allowed but it's a cop thing that is repeated throughout the country.

Local Police and Sheriff's though are no where near as out of countrol as Federal Law Enforcement, FBI and DHS are modern day Gestapo and SS, they absolutely need to be curtailed.

[HW3]

It happened again....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/06/another-minor-traffic-stop-in-new-mexico-another-serious-violation-of-a-mans-body-same-exact-police-dog/

This is the kind of thing that happens when the entrance standards are lowered in order to have a more diverse police force.

[Stealhead]

Well, we have the first amendment and unless behavior is coming to the point of violating statutes concerning disorderly conduct, not much they can do legally.Still not smart to just randomly heckle a cop, they can arrest you for whatever, probably beat the rap but can't beat the ride as they say.


Well that is what I said if you read my post is you should not hackle a cop because you have no idea if they are going to follow the law or push the limits.With one cop you could be fairly vocally hostile(meaning unfriendly rude but not making a specific threat) and they only should let you go say of they pulled you over or give a you a violation if you committed one.But another cop if you act that way might push the situation and at best kind of hackle you back which just makes the encounter longer or at worst go to the extreme.

Honestly I disagree that the "culture" is out of control.When you take into account how many LE officers there are in the incidents of abuse that prove to be true are not that common.

Generally speaking the typical person does not ever even encounter an FBI agent so I cant really see the evidence that they as a whole are out of control.

One thing people forget is that we have a free press here is the US so any incident gets tons of attention yet when cops do good deeds or just the everyday good that they do that hardly ever gets attention.It is just like everything else the bad gets noticed and the good does not.


Your advice kind of fails in Florida though where if you refuse you loose your license for 6 months of course that is better than one year if you get a conviction.Of course to be honest I really have no pity for a person who in truth was drunk getting off.They did risk their and everyone else lives by driving.


My brother in law is your worst enemy by the way he is one of the guys that works for the state crime lab in Louisiana he calibrates and maintains every single breath machine in LA as well as trains the all cops (not just the State Police) for their initial and renewal training they even calibrate the machines on Fort Brag and Barkesdale AFB as well as a few USCG stations.

They keep very detailed records for the machines and training records I saw the lab once pretty neat to see how they do it all.Of course my brother in law or one of the other techs has to show up for any DUI trial should they be called.Seems that the defense usually knows that trying to argue the accuracy is a moot point at of the machine itself.

[Bubblehead1980]

Well that is what I said if you read my post is you should not hackle a cop because you have no idea if they are going to follow the law or push the limits.With one cop you could be fairly vocally hostile(meaning unfriendly rude but not making a specific threat) and they only should let you go say of they pulled you over or give a you a violation if you committed one.But another cop if you act that way might push the situation and at best kind of hackle you back which just makes the encounter longer or at worst go to the extreme.

Honestly I disagree that the "culture" is out of control.When you take into account how many LE officers there are in the incidents of abuse that prove to be true are not that common.

Generally speaking the typical person does not ever even encounter an FBI agent so I cant really see the evidence that they as a whole are out of control.

One thing people forget is that we have a free press here is the US so any incident gets tons of attention yet when cops do good deeds or just the everyday good that they do that hardly ever gets attention.It is just like everything else the bad gets noticed and the good does not.




Your advice kind of fails in Florida though where if you refuse you loose your license for 6 months of course that is better than one year if you get a conviction.Of course to be honest I really have no pity for a person who in truth was drunk getting off.They did risk their and everyone else lives by driving.


My brother in law is your worst enemy by the way he is one of the guys that works for the state crime lab in Louisiana he calibrates and maintains every single breath machine in LA as well as trains the all cops (not just the State Police) for their initial and renewal training they even calibrate the machines on Fort Brag and Barkesdale AFB as well as a few USCG stations.

They keep very detailed records for the machines and training records I saw the lab once pretty neat to see how they do it all.Of course my brother in law or one of the other techs has to show up for any DUI trial should they be called.Seems that the defense usually knows that trying to argue the accuracy is a moot point at of the machine itself.

Advice definitely does not fail in FL, I am from FL.What is better? Take a six month admin suspension for now submitting to the test, beat the conviction and not be forced into the money racket that is a DUI conviction? Special interests like MADD for example, get at least one(often more) mandated attendance to their "impact panels" by the convicted, last I checked it was $80 per panel in FL.Then everyone convicted is sent for an evaluation, which from what I understand usually leads to mandatory counseling sessions(evne if no prior alcohol record because in this pc world, every who likes to drink is an alcoholic) , at the expense of the convicted.Truth is, there is DUI according to the idiotic laws most have and actual DUI. The common .08 limit is BS, people are not drunk at the level yet plenty of people get arrested, foolishly submit to their tests and get convicted, then get caught in the government racket, costing them thousands of dollars so yes, best not to help them out, take the 6 month admin, get a hardship license, beat the rap .

I agree, it's pretty rare to beat a breathalyzer based on the maintenance records, they are pretty meticulous about that.I have seen a breath test successfully thrown out once based on maintenance issues, other times it is for other reasons.Actually know of one getting dismissed because it was shown the officer who administered it had not completed training on the machine yet, they were busy and no one else to operate it, so he performed the test, was fun when that little bit surprised the persecutor, ooked like she was going to cry lol nothing like watching government stooges fall flat.

[Wolferz]

Stay off their radar.:hmmm:

[Bubblehead1980]

Stay off their radar.:hmmm:


Well that is ideal, but does not always happen and in the event they get you, there are ways to minimize the damage and not helping them to convict and extort thousands of dollars out of you.

[Stealhead]

Yeah give it to a defense attorney instead.:03:

Sorry but when people get hammered and kill other people in their vehicle and fail to even realize it I really do not feel bad at all if a person who truly had been drinking looses their license for 6 months or a year and it winds up costing them $10,000 which is what it cost my ex-brother in law in LA a few years ago(a good share of that went to the defense).

It is called responsibility if you are drunk you should not be driving a vehicle.Just pray that if you do drive drunk you get caught by the cops or make it home cause if you injure or kill someone in my family or one of my friends the fines will be the least of your problems.

Of course this has nothing to do with police brutality actually breaking the law and receiving the legal punishment and police brutality caused either against an innocent person or even one that did violate the law are two different things completely.

[TarJak]

DUI has nothing to do with being what most people call drunk. Alcohol even in moderate doses has been proven to impair cognitive and motor skills that are relied upon when driving. Even the morning after a drinking session where your blood alcohol level reached 0.1 or more your reaction times are likely to be impaired despite the fact that you would not be classified as being drunk.

[Jimbuna]

DUI has nothing to do with being what most people call drunk. Alcohol even in moderate doses has been proven to impair cognitive and motor skills that are relied upon when driving. Even the morning after a drinking session where your blood alcohol level reached 0.1 or more your reaction times are likely to be impaired despite the fact that you would not be classified as being drunk.

Yep, most of my breathalysers were 'the morning after' jobs.

[Bubblehead1980]

Yeah give it to a defense attorney instead.:03:

Sorry but when people get hammered and kill other people in their vehicle and fail to even realize it I really do not feel bad at all if a person who truly had been drinking looses their license for 6 months or a year and it winds up costing them $10,000 which is what it cost my ex-brother in law in LA a few years ago(a good share of that went to the defense).

It is called responsibility if you are drunk you should not be driving a vehicle.Just pray that if you do drive drunk you get caught by the cops or make it home cause if you injure or kill someone in my family or one of my friends the fines will be the least of your problems.

Of course this has nothing to do with police brutality actually breaking the law and receiving the legal punishment and police brutality caused either against an innocent person or even one that did violate the law are two different things completely.


Okay, it is one thing is someone is drunk of their rear, drives, hits and injures or kills someone, but if pulled over and happen to slightly over the limit, big difference.Throwing the book at people or putting them through what is tantamount to legal extortion because of what MIGHT happen is wrong in every aspect.Typical overreaction by the government.


Yes, it has something to do with police misconduct, they will lie to people, coerce them into incriminating themselves with field sobriety tests, breathalyzers etc. The big picture issues is protecting yourself against the government and it's ruthless, often arbitrary punishment.Gaming the system to get out from under the "boot" is just fine.That is why people should be aware of their rights and refuse helping LE in anyway.

[Bubblehead1980]

DUI has nothing to do with being what most people call drunk. Alcohol even in moderate doses has been proven to impair cognitive and motor skills that are relied upon when driving. Even the morning after a drinking session where your blood alcohol level reached 0.1 or more your reaction times are likely to be impaired despite the fact that you would not be classified as being drunk.


Yes, I know they claim everyone is impaired after the small amount of alcohol but I disagree, everyone is different, one size fits all.I can consume quite a before I am impaired..08 is a ridiculously low limit but it allows them to get people into the money racket based on what "might" happen.Someone causes a wreck and is actually drunk, okay they deserve punishment, but the harsh penalties for being over some arbitrary limit set by the government? not right.I think a citation, order to leave the car on the side of the road and call a cab would be much more sensible and warranted but then they government would not get to extort thousands of dollars from the victims of their oppressive laws now would they?

[CaptainMattJ.]

It happened again....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/06/another-minor-traffic-stop-in-new-mexico-another-serious-violation-of-a-mans-body-same-exact-police-dog/

This is the kind of thing that happens when the entrance standards are lowered in order to have a more diverse police force.
Same county, Same dog, same medical center, same outcome, and yet another white guy anally raped by hispanic thugs with a badge.

And so far, no national coverage. I'd bet all of my money that if the anally raped victims were latino and the officers were white it would be plastered on every news channel in America. Maybe even another L.A riots scenario. But outlets like the today show care more about "What does the fox say" than the outrageous abuse of power and extreme infringement upon a man's right not to get repeatedly anally raped by police officers for failing to stop and then getting billed by the hospital.

This country's political correctness makes me want to vomit.

[Sailor Steve]

And so far, no national coverage.
You know about it. I know about it. People in Australia, the UK, Germany and Slovenia know about it. I'd say the internet is doint its job.

I'd bet all of my money that if the anally raped victims were latino and the officers were white it would be plastered on every news channel in America.
Were the doctors who did the actual "raping" latino? I would actually take your bet. The pedigree of the people involved should not be an issue, and so far you're the only person who has made it one.

But outlets like the today show care more about "What does the fox say" than the outrageous abuse of power and extreme infringement upon a man's right not to get repeatedly anally raped by police officers for failing to stop and then getting billed by the hospital.
I've never known the Today Show to be about anything other than fluff. Expecting them to be more is, in my opinion, asking for the impossible. That said, after watching the news report posted by HW3 I would say justice is on the way to being served. The doctors who performed the procedures are under investigation by the state licensing board, as are the police officers. After all this I'd say both of the injured parties are likely to win any lawsuits brought against the city of Deming.

This country's political correctness makes me want to vomit.[/QUOTE]

[CaptainMattJ.]

You know about it. I know about it. People in Australia, the UK, Germany and Slovenia know about it. I'd say the internet is doint its job.
While its nice that some in the international community know, its far more important that americans know. A domestic problem calls for domestic solutions. This man, under the guise of "law", was raped and his rights completely disregarded. Its an example of the bigger problem of police injustice. In my opinion, i find it to be a very big deal when officers of the law, whose duty is to protect ME and MY rights (indeed all citizens), takes the power he has been given (which realistically, in a face-to-face encounter, extends far beyond what powers hes legally given, his firearm, training, and authority rendering me essentially at his mercy) and abuses it for his own ends. Doesn't do a dead victim much good when a cop actually gets sentenced for shooting first and asking questions later in violation of the law. This is the reason i believe that law enforcement needs a huge overhaul, and why this story should be aired on national programs, so with any luck people begin to desire reform.

Were the doctors who did the actual "raping" latino? I would actually take your bet. The pedigree of the people involved should not be an issue, and so far you're the only person who has made it one.
No, of course not. Idealistically it shouldn't matter what race anyone is, a crime is a crime. But hate crime laws exist, and the media certainly has a bias. My point was that, had the races been reversed, it more than likely wouldve sparked another Treyvon Martin-type scenario and been plastered on news channels across the country, because of PC and this ultra-sensitivity to anything even remotely considered "Racially charged". I wasn't trying to insinuate that this incident involved racism, it was more of a stab at the bias of the media. Its been more of a "race doesnt matter unless the victim is colored" kind of mentality rather than "race doesn't matter period".

I've never known the Today Show to be about anything other than fluff. Expecting them to be more is, in my opinion, asking for the impossible. That said, after watching the news report posted by HW3 I would say justice is on the way to being served. The doctors who performed the procedures are under investigation by the state licensing board, as are the police officers. After all this I'd say both of the injured parties are likely to win any lawsuits brought against the city of Deming. I think they should be thrown in jail, frankly, and that losing their license isn't exactly a far enough punishment for the rape of not one but two men by the same county and the same medical center. We all know that had the men been raped by some random joe that they would already be in jail and set for trial, why should these people be punished any differently because they wear a lab coat or a badge?