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[Jimbuna]

Absolutely fantastic news and no sympathy for those involved...sadly most will go unpunished unless the various Police authorities commence detailed investigations.

More than 100 Britons were among 1,000 men caught trying to pay a computer-generated child to perform sex acts online, after a Dutch children's charity set up a fake profile.
Terre des Hommes carried out a 10-week sting near Amsterdam, posing on video chat rooms as "Sweetie", a 10-year-old Filipina girl.
Some 20,000 men contacted her, with 1,000 found to have offered her money.
The names of these men - including 110 Britons - were passed to police

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24818769

[AVGWarhawk]

Is there any hope? :hmmm:

[Herr-Berbunch]

I hope every single one gets followed up and prosecuted with the full weight of the law.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I hope every single one gets followed up and prosecuted with the full weight of the law.If there are any finns involved then I'm afraid they will go essentially unpunished. I checked Criminal Code of Finland (19.12.1889/39) and section that most likely would apply is 20th Chapter (24.7.1998/563) About sexual crimes, 8 a § (20.5.2011/540) Buying sexual services from minor. Punishment would be fines or prison sentence for upto two (2) years. Most likely prison sentence would be given as suspended which nowadays here essentially means same as no punishment at all. This is because it will be enforced and person sent to prison only if person commits crime for which he or she would get non-suspended prison sentence. :nope:

NOTE: All previously are my translations. There is no upto date translation which is accessible to me Upto date legislation in PDF format (which I can't read) is here: http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1889/en18890039.pdf

[Jimbuna]

Is there any hope? :hmmm:

There certainly wouldn't have been for any piece of crap that touched or interfered with either of my kids.

[Jimbuna]

ahdb ghdi idhe:dead:mdjg kfud lgjd:down:dgxu lvgd ivhw:yep:avdh ifgj lcid:nope:zpdh cjeh ldna:o:/\\chop:rotfl2::rotfl2::oops:! (no webley required Watson!):rock:

Would you care to interpret or enlighten me regarding the above?

[Cybermat47]

^^^

+1


Anyway, they should do this more often. The more people they catch, the better.

[TarJak]

I do hope that the scum get what they deserve. A nice cellmate that decides that they would make a nice plaything.

I think Aktungbby's enigma rotors are stuck.

[vienna]

Is there any hope? :hmmm:


I say they publish the names and addresses of those who made outright responses to the sting. And they should also publish the names and positions of those in govenment and law enforcement assigned to the specific cases and require those individuals to report on a set basis what they are doing or have done to punish those reponsible. Nothing motivates like "feet to the fire"...


<O>

[Cybermat47]

^^^

Good idea.

[mapuc]

I can't find any words to explain this, except this - we should have death penalties for this type of crime.

A fake profile-that's really great but it doesn't get any from either Sweden or Denmark.

Here it is not allowed to "create" something false to get a criminal

If there should be some Swedish and or Danish people(mostly men I suppose) among those listed, nothing is going to happen to them.
:nope:

That's the law in these two countries that prevent this.

I can't remember the name for it, so I can't use google translate, to get the correct English word for it.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I can't find any words to explain this, except this - we should have death penalties for this type of crime.

A fake profile-that's really great but it doesn't get any from either Sweden or Denmark.

Here it is not allowed to "create" something false to get a criminal

If there should be some Swedish and or Danish people(mostly men I suppose) among those listed, nothing is going to happen to them.
:nope:

That's the law in these two countries that prevent this.

I can't remember the name for it, so I can't use google translate, to get the correct English word for it.

Markus

Entrapment.

[Madox58]

Here in the U.S.A.
If I take clippings from my lawn and sell it as 'grass'?
I can be convicted just as if I sold real marijuana.
:hmmm:

They call it 'intent' I believe.

[mapuc]

Exactly! the local paper publishes the DUI list and all labeled sex offenders are forbidden to be or loiter near schools, parks or anywhere there are kids and it is rigorously enforced by parole agents.

I agree on these terms, however we should be very careful by doing this.

Anyone remember what happened when the English tabloid The Sun published name and photos of some of those who was convicted and/or under suspicion of have done such a crime.

A total innocent man lost his life, beating to death, just because he looked a lot like one of the man in the newspaper.

Therefore I'm not glad for these step, even thought I support it.

Markus

[Madox58]

Given this subject I wondered about something.
:hmmm:

Hope this isn't infraction time again so Moderator type persons delete the link if you find it too offensive.
:yep:

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Child+sex+dolls

I see China is the big supplier of this type stuff!!
(Not that I'm surprised mind you!)

I'm leaning more and more towards the .22 behind the right ear for people like this.
That includes those that would make and sell such a thing!
:nope:

[mapuc]

Entrapment.

Found the Swedish word for it and here's the translated

"provocative crime"

Markus

[Bubblehead1980]

I say they publish the names and addresses of those who made outright responses to the sting. And they should also publish the names and positions of those in govenment and law enforcement assigned to the specific cases and require those individuals to report on a set basis what they are doing or have done to punish those reponsible. Nothing motivates like "feet to the fire"...


<O>

No! Because they have not been convicted of anything.Really, it is wrong when they names are published in the paper for any crime until convicted.INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY, or that is how it is supposed to be in the US. Abhorrent as I find these men, I would gladly defend them since A this is entrapment and B they must be proven guilty.

[Bubblehead1980]

Exactly! the local paper publishes the DUI list and all labeled sex offenders are forbidden to be or loiter near schools, parks or anywhere there are kids and it is rigorously enforced by parole agents.

Yes and it is wrong they publish names of those simply ARRESTED, NOT convicted.INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.

[Tribesman]

Yes and it is wrong they publish names of those simply ARRESTED, NOT convicted.INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.
So it is wrong for a newspaper to say Jimmy Saville was a nonce then?:hmmm:

[Oberon]

So it is wrong for a newspaper to say Jimmy Saville was a nonce then?:hmmm:

Well, to be fair, it'd be a tad hard to arrest him... :hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Well, to be fair, it'd be a tad hard to arrest him... :hmmm:
Yep, he must be innocent as he didn't get convicted.
You just knew the statement wasn't going to pan out as it had BIG LETTERS in it.:03:

[Oberon]

Yep, he must be innocent as he didn't get convicted.
You just knew the statement wasn't going to pan out as it had BIG LETTERS in it.:03:

Law of Capslock. :salute:

EDIT: In all fairness to Bubblehead though, he does have a marginal point in that it is rather easy for the media to create a witch-hunt these days when it comes to paedophilia, indecent assault or murder, I mean look what happened with Christopher Jefferies, the media decided he was guilty and all but executed him in the press, complete vilification. Now those same papers report on his innocence.

[TarJak]

Law of Capslock. :salute:

EDIT: In all fairness to Bubblehead though, he does have a marginal point in that it is rather easy for the media to create a witch-hunt these days when it comes to paedophilia, indecent assault or murder, I mean look what happened with Christopher Jefferies, the media decided he was guilty and all but executed him in the press, complete vilification. Now those same papers report on his innocence.
His point is irrelevant in this case as the operations in this instance were not carried out by a law enforcement agency of any government. Therefore it falls into civil suit jurisdiction, where the burden of proof is quite different, in lots of jurisdictions, to that applied to law enforcement agencies.

If any of the accused choose to stick their necks out they might have a crack at a libel suit.

Only if a law enforcement agency decided to proceed with prosecution in the USA would his point be marginally valid. And that would be entirely dependant on how the individual investigations were handled.

Is the tip off to police polluted by the way in which the names were collected? What could be argued is that the information received, added to information already on hand in an investigation, or if this information would even be used as part of any prosecution cases subsequently brought before the courts. A smart prosecutor would simply omit any references to the Dutch charities activities, collect their own evidence and put the basums where they belong.

[Oberon]

His point is irrelevant in this case as the operations in this instance were not carried out by a law enforcement agency of any government. Therefore it falls into civil suit jurisdiction, where the burden of proof is quite different in different jurisdictions to that applied to law enforcement agencies.

If any of the accused choose to stick their necks out they might have a crack at a libel suit. Only if a law enforcement agency decided to proceed with prosecution in the USA would his point be marginally valid. And that would be entirely dependant on how the individual investigations were handled. Is the tip off to police polluted by the way in which the names were collected? What could be argued is that the information received added to information already on hand in an investigation or if this information js even used as part of any prosecution cases subsequently brought before the courts. A smart prosecutor would simply omit any references to the Dutch charities activities, collect their own evidence and put the basums where they belong.

That's what I get for just skim-reading the story in question. :haha: I didn't realise it was a Dutch charity firm. A morally tricky situation, and since there was no actual underaged human being involved, I'm not actually certain what the law would be. This 'Sweetie' was not actually operated by a ten year old Filipino girl, so technically no law has been broken...quite amazing really that we have reached the time period already where a virtual avatar is mistaken for a real life person. :hmmm:
Some new laws are going to have to be written in the near future I think, especially if and when we reach the technological singularity, or at least a level in which AI programs are able to act and react in a human-like manner.

Of course, that's not really on the subject of this thread, but it's still an interesting subject.

[TarJak]

The alleged predators could of course run the sick argument that they knew that it was an avatar and not a human child in which case they are no different to second life types and therefore their actions were no more than thought crime. Despite what Bubbles thinks of Obama even the US hasn't gotten around to law on that one.

Closest I can think of is the Suss law in the UK but IIRC that related to terrorism and not sexual criminality.

[Jimbuna]

I do hope that the scum get what they deserve. A nice cellmate that decides that they would make a nice plaything.



That is why soap on a rope is so popular :)

[TarJak]

That is why soap on a rope is so popular :)

And there you are standing at the door with a pair of scissors. :)

[Jimbuna]

And there you are standing at the door with a pair of scissors. :)

:D:yeah:


:stare:

[Wolferz]

So many sick individuals in the world today.
They need treatment with a lead enema, not prosecution and the subsequent free room and board that comes with conviction.

The most that can come out of this sting operation is to keep INTERPOL busy until the end of time.:hmmm:

[Platapus]

I am very careful about chatting on the Internets Tubes. You really have no idea who you are actually connected with.

Once I thought I was chatting with an FBI Agent and it turned out to be a 14 year old girl. Awkward. :yep:

[kranz]

this thread is slowly getting better and better. :D

first we had Mr Drunk Aktungbby with a typical Old-English riddle and a guillotine - I giggled so it deserves one point - 1/10.

All of a sudden Mr Riddle decided to delete his post - no one actually knows why (even him probably), which is worth half a point - 1.5/10

then we had mapuc with his 'death penalty' - not bad, not bad - but only 1 point added as it's too 'cliche' - 2.5/10.

In the meantime we had a confused Aussie who later on slightly changed his mind (180 degrees actually) - 0.5 - cuz I giggled. Wasn't as good as the giggle before, tho.

3/10 so far.

Then I spotted a few posts by Mr 'Anti-Bigot' - I prematurely added 2 points but then saw his posts were just answers to Bubble's so I had to deduct those 2 points. Actually I'm gonna deduct 3 points for trying to mislead me.
2/10.

Then we had Oberon's post for which I have to deduct 2 points as it explained that the guys didn't really break any law...(but who cares, right?)
0/10

Then we had the Converted Aussie who re-wrote Oberon's post and came to a conclusion that his previous post was gibberish. I giggled once again writing this so 1 point added.
1/10.

I was really miserable thinking that the mighty subsim witch-hunt crew couldn't get any better than 1/10 after 2 full pages.

But then Wolferz appeared with his 'lead enemas' which made the scale go crazy - 3 points for coming back to good ol' medieval techniques.
Thinking that 4/10 is what you could get was wrong of me as I focused so much on the lead enemas that I completely missed his first line:

So many sick individuals in the world today.

10/10 - and I'm not ashamed of giving 6 points.

[Wolferz]

:haha: Kranz, glad I could save the day.:up:

Let the lynch mob do their thing. Soon they'll get tired and adjourn to the local pub for beer and bratwurst.

Meanwhile...

Sweetie continues to snooker the crazy people into stepping out of the toy store and abandoning the local playground.

How many will get caught with their pants down in front of their life size Jon Benet wall poster?

Personally, I'll be over on yon rooftop drawing a bead with my sniper rifle.:huh:
Turn around ya perverts! It's time for your enema.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I think it's just a proof of concept. Now the devs will create an adult version and make some pervy big bucks. :-?

[mapuc]

After I had shot down my computer I turned my TV on and right on there was a issue about this story

As the they said on the TV it is not without any dilemma, because even if those 9 danish men have paid for this "service" it would be hard to get them convicted.

The danish police will try to find something that can get them convicted.

In the same program they said following, that me really sad

In any given moment there are at least 750 000 people around the world searching for this type of porn :nope::nope:

Oh by the way I have to stand corrected.

It is allowed for the Swedish police to create a false alias in a chat. However they are not allowed to active engage in a chat(start a chat with some guy or man). They are allowed to response a question or if someone starts to chat with them to chat back.

Markus

[Wolferz]

Even if law enforcement is unable to prosecute these heinous individuals due to technicalities, the individuals will at least be put under the microscope to catch them in a more compromised position that will stick in a court of law.
Hopefully, they should all have a heads up now and refrain from their deviant behavior. Unless they are looking for a prison bromance.:huh:
Since incarcerated murderers detest those who abuse children...
Their brand of enemas will not be as kind as the lead variety.

I think I'll market a new soap called Death Grip. Molded with finger slots to prevent that pesky slipping.:rock:
Soap on a rope can be used to asphyxiate you prior to drowning.:dead:

[Bubblehead1980]

Amazes me how emotional reactions to things involving children get, it's like all rationality and logic goes out the window, mob rule takes over.I get it, I fight the emotional urges when I see crimes against children, elderly or animals but have to avoid the mob rule "string em up" mentality.

First, while I detest these people and know it's a sickness than can't be cured if they are actually pedophiles, no on deserves such an awful label until they are fairly tried and convicted with REAL evidence.Just like any crime, DUI, etc they should not be in the paper just because arrested of questioned etc. Innocent until proven guilty.

Also, what crime was committed here? This was a virtual simulation, not a real child, no child was involved, so this is getting to thought police territory.Could consider this child porn? I say no, as no children were involved or are virtual reality characters people suddenly?

[Oberon]

Also, what crime was committed here? This was a virtual simulation, not a real child, no child was involved, so this is getting to thought police territory.Could consider this child porn? I say no, as no children were involved or are virtual reality characters people suddenly?

The closest I think you could probably go for is intent, but it's a very loose charge. :hmmm: Depending on the content of the chat logs you could possibly go for sexual harassment too, not of a minor though, because the end user which was conducting the chat wasn't underaged. Other than that, it's pretty much a publicity stunt for the charity. A good cause and all that, but a tad short sighted.

[Jimbuna]

The closest I think you could probably go for is intent, but it's a very loose charge. :hmmm: Depending on the content of the chat logs you could possibly go for sexual harassment too, not of a minor though, because the end user which was conducting the chat wasn't underaged. Other than that, it's pretty much a publicity stunt for the charity. A good cause and all that, but a tad short sighted.

As far as I am aware our DPP is looking into what offences may have been committed.

[Wolferz]

As far as I am aware our DPP is looking into what offences may have been committed.

Solicitation of a minor virtual girl comes to mind and it's off to virtual jail for the scumbags.
Your ankle bracelet has been shipped and your computer is also being monitored. I would send Judge Dredd.:timeout:

Would an ankle bracelet work on a one legged criminal?

[mapuc]

Amazes me how emotional reactions to things involving children get, it's like all rationality and logic goes out the window, mob rule takes over.I get it, I fight the emotional urges when I see crimes against children, elderly or animals but have to avoid the mob rule "string em up" mentality.

First, while I detest these people and know it's a sickness than can't be cured if they are actually pedophiles, no on deserves such an awful label until they are fairly tried and convicted with REAL evidence.Just like any crime, DUI, etc they should not be in the paper just because arrested of questioned etc. Innocent until proven guilty.

Also, what crime was committed here? This was a virtual simulation, not a real child, no child was involved, so this is getting to thought police territory.Could consider this child porn? I say no, as no children were involved or are virtual reality characters people suddenly?

If I had came into such a page I would at once take a copy of the URL and send it to the police in my country and thereafter I would close the page down.

I see my self as an honest man

A pedophile or a person with hang to pedophile would most likely stay on that page and even paid via his/her credit card.

That's why I'm for this provocative crime.

That's my 5 cent of thoughts

Markus