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I've just deleted my SH5 gold, with a lot of addons!
I find it "rubbish"!!
Ok, the scenery is fine, load on is slow, U-Play interferres too much and i, the last time, need to restart the game 2 times before i could into the sub:down:
I'll stay with SH3 GWX3 and SH4:up:
Sorry folks:arrgh!:
Webster
10-30-13, 10:58 AM
why be sorry? you didn't do any more then the average person who didn't give it the time to properly read mod threads and figure out which mods and which mod load order to use. we get threads like this a lot and most of them end with the person taking the advice to do more research and they find the mistakes they made and start enjoying the game.
no one disputes the game is not good "as released" and it matters not to me or anyone else here if you give up on the game but as fellow gamers we are here to help you resolve any issues you are having but only if you are willing to try, mods can and do fix "most" things and make the game good and quite enjoyable.
if you rather not learn what you are doing wrong or even try to fix whats not working then its best you return to another game that is easier for you.
Thank for your answer Webster, which i find a little abusive!
As i said, i've messed around with a lot of addons in SH5. I know quite a bit about sims, but this one is "U-Play down":down:
I'd better stick with those "that is easier" for me:doh:
Targor Avelany
10-30-13, 01:16 PM
Please accept all of our condolences for your suffering.
Greendevil303
10-30-13, 02:00 PM
Personally I think the game is fairly decent stock. A little plug-n-play feel to it but runs great (I've never had issues, even with maxed settings). When you add mods it adds load on the gpu and cpu but that's expected. It'd be a perfect world if we could run sobers mega mod with no extra strain on components but...
Sorry it didn't work out for you. I have bare minimum mods on my game and I'm rather enjoying it. That said, SH3 is a good fall-back.
Thank for your answer Webster, which i find a little abusive!
Trust me, he's gentle ... I would be abusive ... I would tell you to follow a reading comprehension course and reread the sticky's in the mod forum after that ... install sober's modlist after that .. and if you do that, none of you original complaint remains. I'd also tell you PEBKAC is the issue here.
So I wont, and you can now enjoy the gentle comment by Webster :shifty:
Sartoris
10-30-13, 03:51 PM
Trust me, the game is well worth the effort of assembling and applying all the mods. The best U boot experience out there, in my opinion, but only due to the huge effort of the modders.:up:
PEBKAC
what's that mean?
a couple of responses were a tad harsh.
negativity isn't necessary when some one is down.
expressing his frustration with the sim has resulted with others expressing theirs - rightly or wrongly.
a little tolerance and empathy would be more suitable.
though I have to say I don't think the sim is rubbish. its not finished that's all. its still being fixed - thank god.
I think 'follow a reading comprehension course' wont help any one as advice its just bound to ruffle feathers. and 'it matters not to me or anyone else here if you give up on the game' just comes across as unfriendly. and I'm not included with 'any one else here.'
it does matter. so just take some time away from SH5 as I have done BassII. things will come along in time. I like to come over to SH5 to see how things are going - and I feel they are going well. personally I just don't have the time in my day-to-day life to read and install all the mods, I whish I did. I find it hard too, installing and crashing. its draining.
happy sailing BassII, you'll get there in the end...like we all will, with a little patience.
Webster
10-30-13, 05:47 PM
Thank for your answer Webster, which i find a little abusive!
As i said, i've messed around with a lot of addons in SH5. I know quite a bit about sims, but this one is "U-Play down":down:
I'd better stick with those "that is easier" for me:doh:
sorry if you felt it was abusive because it isn't meant to be abusive so why take it that way? its just a realistic assessment of a situation we deal with repeatedly over and over and over again every few weeks.
if you found my comments somehow insulting or felt it was abusive then perhaps there was too much truth in it for you.
im not trying to make you feel bad for giving up on the game but im also not going to go along with the idea that its not worth the effort to resolve the issues that come up, most of which are just simple errors from lack of research or not following instructions.
almost every issue players have can be resolved with a little time, patience and help from the community that is willing and ready to help you if you want that help
lodebeard
10-30-13, 09:07 PM
I am unsure why the OP is surprised that a forum full of people who have dedicated their love and time to finishing the brilliant SH5 engine into a playable experience would react negatively to such a post. Maybe the preferable course of action would have been to go post in the SH3 forum that you are happy to be back because you prefer that game, rather than dropping mild negativity here. Or perhaps take your complaint to Ubi, not these fine folks who toil over this stuff!
Positivity, people! Were all stuck in a tiny tin can together, so let's not quarrel.
To each his own,
Lode
~S~
BigWalleye
10-31-13, 06:49 AM
Absolutely! This forum is for lovers of SH5 ONLY! People with criticism of the game (who are wrong-headed anyway) should take their negative opinions and bad experiences ELSEWHERE. Let no negative opinions disrupt the smooth, orderly progress of SH5 toward perfection. We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration.
PEBKAC
what's that mean?
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
I think 'follow a reading comprehension course' wont help any one as advice its just bound to ruffle feathers. and 'it matters not to me or anyone else here if you give up on the game' just comes across as unfriendly. and I'm not included with 'any one else here.'
If he would follow that advice, and then actualy read a few topics in the MOD forum, his rather hasty uninstall and declaration that the game is rubbish, would not be there to react to.
He gets a dead on assessment of the situation, and finds that abusive. You know what I would call abuse ? Telling a mod community that their work is rubbish based on a dimwitted try and no effort at all to get some help.
it does matter.It doesnt. People that invest a tiny little bit of effort have a blast playing this game .. nothing is lost if he hates it cuz he didnt try .. at least, not on our end of the spectrum.
oh no, yet another of those threads http://levipere.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/Axendr/SmileySuicide.gif
Criticism is always very welcome when it is constructive, and it is one of our best resources for making SH5 better. Call me harsh, but when on the contrary it arises from simple frustration and/or from the will to demolish this game, I am not interested in it. Videogames are not a relief good after all, and I don't see why I should feel sorry for someone who prefers playing SHIII (which is a beautiful game by the way) rather than SHIV or 5.
Bilge_Rat
10-31-13, 07:48 AM
Constructive criticism and dialogue is always welcome. :up:
Reading post#1, it is hard to tell if the OP was being deliberately provocative or if he just lacks the basic computer skills to run SH5. Either way, Webster's reply was suitably restrained and gentlemanly.
Of course, since it appears English is not the OP's principal language, perhaps when he posted "rubbish", he actually meant "Brillant in some areas, but still too many rough edges in other areas for my taste", but he lacked the language skills to properly express himself. :hmmm:
Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest.....
I thought this was a world wide web site! Obviously not!
"follow a reading comprehension course"
"since it appears English is not the OP's principal language"
If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!
Thank you all for your "feedback", but at this time
No Thank you:hmmm:
Webster
10-31-13, 09:03 AM
Absolutely! This forum is for lovers of SH5 ONLY! People with criticism of the game (who are wrong-headed anyway) should take their negative opinions and bad experiences ELSEWHERE. Let no negative opinions disrupt the smooth, orderly progress of SH5 toward perfection. We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration.
I hope you were just kidding :hmmm:
here at SUBSIM we aren't about denying anyones valid right to state opinions that are positive or negative wether we agree with them or not.
the OP has the right to express any opinion he wishes within the rules and we welcome all sides of the spectrum to chime in with their opinions too as long as it is done in a respectful and non insulting manner.
I strongly disagree with your statement:
"We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration"
and while I respect that may be your opinion and you certainly have the right to express it, I think (and hope) an opinion such as yours does NOT represent the majority of this community and it is definitely NOT an opinion shared by SUBSIM staff or management.
Greendevil303
10-31-13, 09:20 AM
"Anti-shark cage. You go in the cage. Cage goes in the water. Shark's in the water. OUR shark..."
Bilge_Rat
10-31-13, 09:21 AM
If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!
Hah! I misunderstood.
I doubt anyone will disagree with you on U-Play. Last night, even though I have mine set for "offline", it forced me to log in and "update", before I could reset it to "offline"...:/\\!!
Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest.....
:haha:
No not an hornet nest, but lately there have been too many threads of the "I've just trashed SH5" kind, and people are a bit tired of them. I am sorry if your post has been misunderstood for one of them.
If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY!
To be fair, you started off by saying that this game is "rubbish" which might have lead to the misunderstanding. Anyway... the game is by now fully playable in off-line mode. The one time an internet connection is required, is the first time you install it, for game code activations. Explain in detail your problem, and you will receive all the help you need :up:
I hope you were just kidding :hmmm:
here at SUBSIM we aren't about denying anyones valid right to state opinions that are positive or negative wether we agree with them or not.
the OP has the right to express any opinion he wishes within the rules and we welcome all sides of the spectrum to chime in with their opinions too as long as it is done in a respectful and non insulting manner.
:sign_yeah:
One can disagree on the content of a post by someone else, and indeed he is free to answer it back or to ignore it. But saying that criticism has no room here smells of censorship and it is not in line with the great opnness of this community :yep:
BigWalleye
10-31-13, 09:42 AM
I hope you were just kidding :hmmm:
here at SUBSIM we aren't about denying anyones valid right to state opinions that are positive or negative wether we agree with them or not.
the OP has the right to express any opinion he wishes within the rules and we welcome all sides of the spectrum to chime in with their opinions too as long as it is done in a respectful and non insulting manner.
I strongly disagree with your statement:
"We do not want to hear from people who disagree with us. OP, please go and post somewhere else. You were mistaken to think that your opinion and your experience were worth consideration"
and while I respect that may be your opinion and you certainly have the right to express it, I think (and hope) an opinion such as yours does NOT represent the majority of this community and it is definitely NOT an opinion shared by SUBSIM staff or management.
Webster, I apologize if my sarcasm was too subtle for you. Up Nort', we're not exactly known for being facile, and I certainly thought the intent would be obvious. As for my comment which you quote, that is EXACTLY the message I took from the posts I saw here. I hoped that by stating it baldly, I could highlight the fact that (IMO) more than one of the posts on this thread are pushing the boundaries of the SubSim code of conduct. Hopefully, I have.
vdr1981
10-31-13, 10:15 AM
I've just deleted my SH5 gold, with a lot of addons!
I find it "rubbish"!!
Ok, the scenery is fine, load on is slow, U-Play interferres too much and i, the last time, need to restart the game 2 times before i could into the sub:down:
I'll stay with SH3 GWX3 and SH4:up:
Sorry folks:arrgh!:
Nothing new ... I can understand all frustration when it comes to SH5, sometimes it can be really hard to grasp with all the mods, patches, updates ect...Hopefully, soon you'll have fresh megamod which will makes things much easier for "hit and run" players like you...
What i really can't understand is why in the world "in depth analysis" like this are addressed to subsim in the first place?! Shouldn't you post somewhere else, like Ubisoft forums or something?!
Your "rubbish" comment certainly doesn't look like constructive criticism, it is rather provocation so don't be surprised when you see some "sharp" answers.
Holy mackerel! A hornet's nest.....
I thought this was a world wide web site! Obviously not!
On every other site I'd reply with: you new here ? Except that over here, people are very helpfull, if you dont first create confusion by saying the game is rubbish while you mean to say the launcher sucks .. apparently :06:
If you read my posts again, then maybe some "principals" will see, its not the SIM i'm getting at, but >> U-PLAY! By the time I reacted, I had already resisted to answer much sharper .. after noticing your English isn't using correct form, I decided to leave room for interpretation .. still, it was NOT at all clear you meant the launcher.
If you would have read the basic sticky's in the mod forum, you would already have your launcher to offline, and no issues with it.
All the other issues are mod issues .. loading time and game nor working properly that is. Which is easily resolved by using one of the lists and thus not having to work out the issues yourself.
Thank you all for your "feedback", but at this time
No Thank you:hmmm:
If all you took from this discussion is the two bits you quoted, I feel confident in stating that the critisism was appropriate.
Targor Avelany
10-31-13, 10:33 AM
/watches the show and eats popcorn...
and the next post reply is in... :Kaleun_Los:
volodya61
10-31-13, 10:36 AM
/watches the show and eats popcorn...
:har:
Webster
10-31-13, 10:40 AM
Webster, I apologize if my sarcasm was too subtle for you. Up Nort', we're not exactly known for being facile, and I certainly thought the intent would be obvious. As for my comment which you quote, that is EXACTLY the message I took from the posts I saw here. I hoped that by stating it baldly, I could highlight the fact that (IMO) more than one of the posts on this thread are pushing the boundaries of the SubSim code of conduct. Hopefully, I have.
when I post something like that I take "everyones comments" into account.
the trouble with sarcasm in forums is you need to add a jk to put it in context or it can, and often will be, taken as a comment and not sarcasm so to avoid 10 more posts "one upping" yours I felt I needed to comment. I have to take into account what a new member might think seeing comments like yours and not understanding they are meant to be sarcastic. it shows poorly on us and does not help in a thread with already touchy feelings expressed.
I did feel your comment was supposed to be sarcastic but others might not read it that way which is often the trouble with out of context sarcasm. just because I "think" something is meant as sarcasm doesn't mean I can just "assume" its ok to do so and as moderator and representative of SUBSIM I have an obligation to counter comments like those you posted.
Webster
10-31-13, 10:59 AM
hey guys, lets keep things in context here.
BassII made some comments I can only assume are born out of frustration and we have all been there at one time or the other.
there is no unringing the bell and he has every right to feel the way he does wether we agree or not. all we can do is wait and see if he wants our help to resolve any issues he has or if he has truly given up and moved on.
in either case the next step is up to BassII to decide if he wants our help.
if he just wanted to vent his frustration and set fire to the barn on the way out then maybe he will return again in the future when there are some preassembled super mods that make things easier for him.
remember, he was directing his scorn at ubi and u-play not the community or the modders here.
Trevally.
10-31-13, 12:45 PM
Webster, I apologize if my sarcasm was too subtle for you. Up Nort', we're not exactly known for being facile, and I certainly thought the intent would be obvious. As for my comment which you quote, that is EXACTLY the message I took from the posts I saw here. I hoped that by stating it baldly, I could highlight the fact that (IMO) more than one of the posts on this thread are pushing the boundaries of the SubSim code of conduct. Hopefully, I have.
:hmmm:
that is EXACTLY the message I took from the posts I saw here.
Are you suggesting that someone else here was breaking the subsim code of conduct and Websters reply to you should have been at them:-?
:O:
BigWalleye
10-31-13, 01:37 PM
Are you suggesting that someone else here was breaking the subsim code of conduct and Websters reply to you should have been at them?
Trevally, I've replied by PM.
Trevally.
10-31-13, 02:12 PM
Trevally, I've replied by PM.
:D:up:
Madox58
10-31-13, 02:46 PM
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Stuff/th_popcorn2.gif
/watches the show and eats popcorn...
and the next post reply is in... :Kaleun_Los:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Stuff/th_popcorn2.gif
You guys... :har:
couldn't have been more clear than this...
Madox58
10-31-13, 04:30 PM
People are going to keep posting stuff like this.
They still do in the SH3/4 threads!
I tend to just watch the fire works and not get involved as it is a waste of my time.
I'll change an old saying for funs sake.
You can please some of the people some of the time.
And you can please all of the people some of the time.
But you can't please all of the people all of the time!
:haha:
People are going to keep posting stuff like this.
They still do in the SH3/4 threads!
I tend to just watch the fire works and not get involved as it is a waste of my time.
...you just did!:smug:
Madox58
10-31-13, 05:23 PM
...you just did!:smug:
Ya. But it's Halloween so it don't count cause I'm keelhauled!
:haha:
Aktungbby
10-31-13, 08:48 PM
BY ORDER OF DER GROßADMIRAL: ALL BOOTS ON STATION WILL DISENGAGE; DIVE AND RESURFACE AT BIG WALLEYES' ICE FISHING HUT FOR A HAMM'S! IF THE ICE APPEARS TOO THICK "OBERTEIL NICHT ZUSSLAGEN!":-?:doh::o:oops::nope::88):huh::stare::|\\:ahoy: :k_confused::Kaleun_Crying: MSG RELAYED BY 666...out
lodebeard
10-31-13, 09:14 PM
remember, he was directing his scorn at ubi and u-play not the community or the modders here.
Actually he started by saying he had uninstalled the game and add-ons because they were "rubbish". Only then did he mention U-play.
Saying he is addressing Ubisoft is like me being angry at you, but yelling at my girlfriend about it. Then when she tells me I'm being mean I tell her "hey, I was yelling at Webster, not you..."
I do think there were some over-reactions. My point was simply that I didn't understand why the OP was surprised there was backlash to his comments.
BigWalleye
11-01-13, 07:01 AM
BY ORDER OF DER GROßADMIRAL: ALL BOOTS ON STATION WILL DISENGAGE; DIVE AND RESURFACE AT BIG WALLEYES' ICE FISHING HUT FOR A HAMM'S! IF THE ICE APPEARS TOO THICK "OBERTEIL NICHT ZUSSLAGEN!":-?:doh::o:oops::nope::88):huh::stare::|\\:ahoy: :k_confused::Kaleun_Crying: MSG RELAYED BY 666...out
Yer all welcome! An' yer welcome ta bring some Hamm's - long as da bear stays outside! But Up Here we mostly drink Leinie's, yah!
Ya. But it's Halloween so it don't count cause I'm keelhauled!
:haha:
...enjoy the hauling privateer...:Kaleun_Cheers:
:up:
Please ignore me........
I'm going deep underwater:rotfl2:
Aktungbby
11-01-13, 12:54 PM
Yer all welcome! An' yer welcome ta bring some Hamm's - long as da bear stays outside! But Up Here we mostly drink Leinie's, yah!
Don't tell'em the MN state bird's the LOON:up:
BigWalleye
11-01-13, 01:16 PM
Don't tell'em the MN state bird's the LOON:up:
Nah! Everyone Up Nort' knows that the MN state bird is the mosquito! An' the WI state bird is the bitin' black deerfly!
But MN is the only state that pays a bounty for killing its mascot! The Golden Gopher is the official MN state mascot. And you can get $4 for every dead gopher you turn in! (S'true!)
Aktungbby
11-01-13, 09:13 PM
Nah! Everyone Up Nort' knows that the MN state bird is the mosquito! An' the WI state bird is the bitin' black deerfly!
Yup and I was the aphrodisiac blood feast on three Quetico canoe 200 mi. wilderness treks that enabled them to breed! Three weeks each of heat, bugs, pouring rain and more portaging with everything on my back between lakes than actual canoeing; The A&W rootbeer stand in Ely was a oasis of pure bliss after the prepared food mixes and cooking for 20 people over a fire 3 times a day: is as bad as chef Olaf on a VII Boot!:88)Actually met and knew the famous hermit, Knife Lake Dorothy, who kept a trading post in the middle of it all. Her passing was noted some years back in the press...in the spring when the snow cleared.:03:
BigWalleye
11-02-13, 06:15 AM
Suffering is good for the soul.
After three trips, yours should be in pretty good shape!:D
BTW, that's why we enjoy ice fishing. In winter, the bugs aren't as bad!
Aktungbby
11-02-13, 11:03 AM
Suffering is good for the soul.
That's what this boot is all aboot!:Kaleun_Salivating::Kaleun_Cheers: :k_confused:
BigWalleye
11-02-13, 01:10 PM
So you met Knife Lake Dorothy. Cool!
But did you meet Bob?
Bob's Grill sits at the corner of Main and Douglas. It was built in 1948 and originally operated by Myron Shaefer, a realtor. His son Bob was a free spirit who liked to hunt, fish, and trap, but who was not much into working indoors. Myron planned to get the business going and then turn it over to Bob, so the kid would "make something of himself" and "settle down". Bob took one look at Bob's Grill and headed off to the Boundary Waters. He disappeared into the woods, and lived by doing what he loved the most. Occasionally, people would encounter him on hunting or fishing trips. The last recorded Bob Sighting was about 10 years ago. By now, Bob has either passed on or is a 90-something Man O'the Woods.
And Bob's Grill is still open, still Bob's Grill, and still the place where people in town congregate for breakfast. Great, huge pancakes! Over the years, it has had a dozen different owners.
But it has never, ever, been owned by anyone named Bob!
Aktungbby
11-02-13, 08:27 PM
But did you meet Bob? Man O'the Woods.
But it has never, ever, been owned by anyone named Bob!
Never met the fellow; that's 'couer d'bois' to us "voyageurs"; perhaps he's Bobbing around up in the Bass Lake chain tho' I spec't he'd be 'Muskie' scat by now!:hmmm:
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