Shameful display

[Stealhead]

Granted there are people that really do need this aid but when things like this happen you kind of question how many people are just milking the whole program.And that is a shame because it tends to make the wider population assume that everyone is taking advantage.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/walmart-shelves-emptied-food-stamp-shopping-spree/story?id=20563982

What happened was the SNAP cards(food stamps) lost the limit placed on them people found out and went on sprees when it was learned that cap was back in place they just left the stuff on the shelf.:nope: When people are doing this kind of thing in droves it is a clear sign that they must not really need the aid they are milking the system and when a loop hole came along they raped it.

We just can not afford this not the people who truly do not need the aid.The sad thing is that this only hurts the people who really do need aid and the people who really are disabled when the money is gone they will be the ones truly screwed the others will just find a job and perform mediocre work.

[AVGWarhawk]

This does not happen. Everyone is on the up and up. All for one and one for all! :up:

[Penguin]

Funny that those folks are milking one of the biggest freewheelers in the US, which receives hundreds of millions in direct and indirect subsides...

What I don't get: wouldn't the department which issues these cards see which transactions the folks did with their cards? if they deduct the bill from the next money transfer the buying spree would be more like a credit purchase than a real gain for the shoppers.

[Stealhead]

Funny that those folks are milking one of the biggest freewheelers in the US, which receives hundreds of millions in direct and indirect subsides...

What I don't get: wouldn't the department which issues these cards see which transactions the folks did with their cards? if they deduct the bill from the next money transfer the buying spree would be more like a credit purchase than a real gain for the shoppers.


Valid point indeed.This woman I know whose son is unemployed and currently staying with her he had a government issue cell phone(private contractor of course) Well his phone expired and legally he was no longer eligible for a new phone.Yet the provider gave him one anyway of course that contractor turns around and charges the government despite the fact that the person was not eligible for the phone.

I am sure that there is a good deal of this fraud going around by corporations just in regards to such assistance programs not even thinking of other loopholes they have.

Yes but big business is good for us all.Even though they nearly all have loopholes in the laws that allow them to pay nearly no taxes.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Study-Verizon-Hasnt-Paid-a-Cent-in-Taxes-in-3-Years-116981

I am sure that there is a good deal of this fraud going around by corporations.In the long run they are the ones truly worthy of...




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Yet a stripper pays taxes and she gets paid in singles in the dark.:hmmm:

Someday I think it is not to crazy to say that there will only be large corporations sort of like Weyland-Yutani not with the xenomorphs but the part how every one is a salve more or less to WT.

I mean the EPA is a great example they fined Halliburton just a mere few hundred grand for the failure of the work they had done on that Deep Horizon well in the Gulf of Mexico which caused billions of dollars in damage.They kind of felt "guilty" and wound up donating a million dollars to some charity.Still though the EPA fines they are so low a large corporation actually saves money simply paying the fine than following the regulation.I work with EPA regulated stuff every day I have seen an EPA "agent" never it is only that I am honest it is not like anyone could actually catch me breaking the refrigerant regulations.

The real reason the air is cleaner in the US and Western Europe is because the majority of the factories moved to third world locales.

[Jimbuna]

As wrong as it is this is often the side of human nature that takes over when such opportunities arise.

Must have felt like xmas had come early.

[Stealhead]

As wrong as it is this is often the side of human nature that takes over when such opportunities arise.

Must have felt like xmas had come early.
Survival instinct you could say for some.With all the nonsense up in DC some might be thinking the whole deck of cards is about to come tumbling down and maybe it will.I am not bothered I can survive just by living off the land if it comes down to it one deer one hog that will last a long time for three people even with out power salt it up.

[soopaman2]

My wife is a supermarket manager. Not getting specific, as it could technically break the stupid paper she had to sign about airing out company grievances online.

But as long as I am not specific, no mention of company, or people. It should be ok, legally.

The minute the first of the month hits, some people show up in cabs who wait (unpaid), or in many more cases, show up in cars nicer than 2 working people who make 50k plus can afford.

Alot of them buy a pack of gum, get out the max 100$, then repeat until the cash side of the card is empty.

They then buy shrimp and lobster, and 10$ a pound steaks with the food stamp bit of the money on the card.

I work for a living, and crap like that is a treat, but to foodstampers, it is every night.

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU DRIVE UP TO A SUPERMARKET IN A 2013 benz, AND USE FOODSTAMPS?

How come no one cares!?


wtf?
Must be nice...

I am stressing about how much more broke Obamacare will make me, these people buy lobster and drugs with my money.

[AVGWarhawk]

They then buy shrimp and lobster, and 10$ a pound steaks with the food stamp bit of the money on the card.

I work for a living, and crap like that is a treat, but to foodstampers, it is every night.

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU DRIVE UP TO A SUPERMARKET IN A 2013 benz, AND USE FOODSTAMPS?

How come no one cares!?




Been there soopa. I was in line with my peanut butter and jelly. Loaf of bread. This was my lunch for the week. Cheap. The guy ahead of me has two lobster tails and a bouquet of flowers. Other items for a nice dinner. He whips out a EBIT card to pay for it. This was just over 21 years ago I witnessed this.

But yeah, the cards are used to by a pack of gum. The rest taken in cash. See it at the local grocery.

People care but the issue is so wide spread and apparently going on so long it is acceptable. Many say they are entitled to the money and can spend it any way they like. The real issue is most never get off the rolls. I have a family member who is a professional at it. A real career gal she is. :shifty:

[soopaman2]

Don't forget...

The more sprogs you huck out that diseased useless babymaker, the more daddy warbucks gives you on that EBT card!

I bet the government shutdown does not effect them.


I sound so conservative here. I do not mind helping people, but I want them to give reciepts for everything.

Crack dealers do not give reciepts, nor should they get my taxmoney.

No cash for welfare/EBT. Zero cash, services only.

[Sailor Steve]

I don't get it either. I live on a very small disability pension, and they tell me I make too much to get EBT.

[Stealhead]

Well maybe it is different in other states but EBT is a federal program and the card can be used for more than one account.So one card can tie into SNAP(food Stamps) and also tie into something else for example SSI so you might see someone use the EBT card and what they actually did was they purchased something with the none SNAP side of the card and for that they are allowed to get a certain amount out in cash pretty much like an ATM.In some states they might ahve the same card or a diffrent card for seprate things at any rate you can not use SNAP to get cash back.

You can use SNAP to buy junk food but you can not use SNAP to buy an item and then draw a return in cash (cash back it does not work that way).What people are seeing is someone using the EBT card and accessing a different "account" that does allow money to be drawn.

That or the person observes a customer use an SSI card and assume that it is an EBT SNAP card.

Second bullet point...

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-use-food-stamps-the-snap-card0.navId-400717.html

I would link to the government SNAP and EBT websites but they are due to the shutdown.

Not to say that some people are not cheating it but if you see them use EBT to get cash back they did not use SNAP on that transaction.

If Soopas wife's employer is allowing such a thing then they are in violation of the law which is interesting because they are binding their employees by contract to ignore a violation of the law.:hmmm:(they may or may not be aware of it and they are not the one responsible anyway)

State of Massachusetts SNAP regulations for stores take note of the 5th bullet point under "What rules must I follow?" member SNAP is a federally administered program so the rules will be the same in every state.
http://www.massresources.org/snap-store-owners-guide.html#whatrules

@soopaman a little bird could sing to the authorities and they would loose their permit to accept SNAP.

[Penguin]

Ah, now it's clearer to me. So the EBT cards are only semi-personalized, by a PIN, but no id whatsoever is required when paying with them.

So besides what Stealhead said about retailers committing an offense when accepting foodstamps for luxury goods and his explaination about 2 cards in one:
I wonder how many of y'all who noticed people paying with foodstamps also checked out if the user is also the original recipent. Trading them against dollars or wares is not uncommon – mostly to a worse rate than 1:1. Still seems to be doable in the new paperless system. A person with a new car paying with foodstamps says nothing about how they obtained them.

The biggest problem I see is the issue of the dependent household members of the fs recipents – kids or elders. If someone prefers cool rims over good food it's their own problem. However the dependent persons are the one who easily can draw the short end of the stick if the welfare recipent has screwed up priorities – though this goes for all classes.


As wrong as it is this is often the side of human nature that takes over when such opportunities arise.

Must have felt like xmas had come early.

The question is if this is human nature or if those folks rather follow the values our respective societies teach us: the accumulation of goods as the highest goal in life. :hmmm: