Tax Exempt Religious Organizations

[Armistead]

"the Italian government made a historic change in 2013 tax code to boost revenue: the Roman Catholic Church will no longer be exempt from property taxes in Italy. "

Should the US do the same?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/21918/tax-exempt-religious-organizations-why-u-s-churches-should-no-longer-be-tax-exempt

[Betonov]

For one thing, Slovenia should do the same.

They got more than enough to cover the countries deficit :/\\!!

[mookiemookie]

Since many churches are run as huge businesses and interject themselves into politics, yes, they should have their tax exempt status revoked.

[GoldenRivet]

Tax Baptist churches in my Texas town alone and you would likely squash the federal debt within 5 years.

You cant throw a rock around here without busting a stained glass window

[Webster]

Since many churches are run as huge businesses and interject themselves into politics, yes, they should have their tax exempt status revoked.

I wouldn't go that far but I would say that they should be treated more locally as in you get one property exemption for one building in each town and beyond that you pay taxes on any additional properties you own.

this would keep the churches themselves exempt but be more reasonable and fair so they don't own and hold as much property as the government does yet pay no taxes on it.

convents and monastaries and such since they don't hold public religious services should be classified differently along with charities and be held to the same one property exemption for each town and beyond that you pay taxes on any additional properties you own.

any charities that don't give out a minimum of 60% of all total gross money they take in must lose there charity exemption so no more 90% goes to expenses and "administrative costs" (saleries) and "maybe" 10% or less actually ever gets to the reason donations were collected in the first place. I would like to se it at 90% payouts but fundraising must pay for services and such so it cant be done for free so 60% is more reasonable and realistic

[AVGWarhawk]

Since many churches are run as huge businesses and interject themselves into politics, yes, they should have their tax exempt status revoked.

I would agree. Let's look at this way. Remember the infamous, "You did not build that." statement? Well, the church did not build that either so they should have the tax exemption revoked.

INMO, a majority of religion is a business.

[Ducimus]

The problem I see with revoking the tax exempt status is it kind of makes things, "official", in terms of church interferring with matters of the state. Yes the church already invokes political influence to varying degrees though it shouldn't. But remove the tax exempt status, and how now it's open season to do what it wants because church dollars will be pumped directly. In the longer view, removing this tax exempt status will only serve to further erode the barrier between church and state.

To be fair, I also maintain that the state has no business interjecting itself with matters of the church either.

[AVGWarhawk]

The problem I see with revoking the tax exempt status is it kind of makes things, "official", in terms of church interferring with matters of the state. Yes the church already invokes political influence to varying degrees though it shouldn't. But remove the tax exempt status, and how now it's open season to do what it wants because church dollars will be pumped directly. In the longer view, removing this tax exempt status will only serve to further erode the barrier between church and state.

To be fair, I also maintain that the state has no business interjecting itself with matters of the church either.

All excellent points.

[vienna]

The problem I see with revoking the tax exempt status is it kind of makes things, "official", in terms of church interferring with matters of the state. Yes the church already invokes political influence to varying degrees though it shouldn't. But remove the tax exempt status, and how now it's open season to do what it wants because church dollars will be pumped directly. In the longer view, removing this tax exempt status will only serve to further erode the barrier between church and state.


Actually, tax revenues are least likely to exert great influence as opposed to direct contributions to candidates or parties. Since the churches pay no taxes, their influence is more through those direct contributions in the same manner as, say, a corporation or PAC. We pay taxes, but our influence, financially, is far less than deep pocket contributors. The various churches are in a rather better position because of tax exemptions since, without taxes, they have more cash to distribute, proportionally, than a corporation or private entity paying taxes. Remove the exemptions and you reduce the amount of "disposable" income the churhes would have to influence or leverage policy...


<O>

[Madox58]

The problem I see with revoking the tax exempt status is it kind of makes things, "official", in terms of church interferring with matters of the state. Yes the church already invokes political influence to varying degrees though it shouldn't. But remove the tax exempt status, and how now it's open season to do what it wants because church dollars will be pumped directly. In the longer view, removing this tax exempt status will only serve to further erode the barrier between church and state.

To be fair, I also maintain that the state has no business interjecting itself with matters of the church either.
Can you give links that to Laws that say that religous orginizations can't contribute to political causes?
How did they get Tax exempt to start with?
So if a movement to get them required to pay taxes as stated above do you really think that will fly or will we see the real power play come out?
:hmmm:

[Tribesman]

Since many charities are run as huge businesses and interject themselves into politics, yes, they should have their tax exempt status revoked.
Taking religion out of it:03:
Do the many affect all or how to distinguish between those that do and those that don't?
Webster hands up an arbitrary cut off point in his post, but any charity or more importantly "charity" would have no problem running the figures in circles to make sure they hit the magic 60%.

It is worth noting that the Italian tax move only aims for property tax on the churches commercial investments not on the actual churches churchy stuff

[Ducimus]

Can you give links that to Laws that say that religous orginizations can't contribute to political causes?

I never said they legally couldn't, as I'm not sure what the legalities are in the case of campaign contributions or what not. I just implied I didn't agree with the church becoming involved in matters of state.

How did they get Tax exempt to start with? No idea. I never really agreed with it either. But after thinking about it in the past, i let the subject go.


So if a movement to get them required to pay taxes as stated above do you really think that will fly or will we see the real power play come out?
:hmmm:
If I had my way, hell yes I'd make religious institutions of whatever denomination pay taxes. It's one of the biggest rackets in America, taking in millions of dollars a year, tax free. I am not a fan of that.

However, I for one don't want to make things easier for them by removing any barriers between church and state. Speaking in terms of social acceptance, I think paying taxes gives one "a say" in policy. From, " What the hell, I pay my taxes don't I? " to, "Your tax dollars at work" , being used in context of putting up a new 10 commandments monument.

As much as I'd love to stick it to the racket that is organized religion, I think opening certain doors is going to cause bigger problems down the road. Even if they pay taxes, it's not going to effect their disposable income all that much. Any well organized church can make it back in tithes and donations in no time at all.

EDIT:
Heh, now here's an interesting thought. A big honking crucifix being erected outside a state building with a sign below it reading, "Your tax dollars at work". No thanks.

[Madox58]

Fair enuff answers Mate.
:up:

[Sailor Steve]

How did they get Tax exempt to start with?
The Roman emperor Constantine was converted in the year 312. Shortly after that he made Christianity the official State religion of the Empire and exempted The Church from paying any taxes. It's been the unofficial (and sometimes official) policy of western countries ever since.

It wasn't official US policy until 1894, but the idea has always been there.

Here is a website that discusses both sides of this issue (and many others) relatively fairly.
http://churchesandtaxes.procon.org/

[August]

The problem I see with revoking the tax exempt status is it kind of makes things, "official", in terms of church interferring with matters of the state. Yes the church already invokes political influence to varying degrees though it shouldn't. But remove the tax exempt status, and how now it's open season to do what it wants because church dollars will be pumped directly. In the longer view, removing this tax exempt status will only serve to further erode the barrier between church and state.

To be fair, I also maintain that the state has no business interjecting itself with matters of the church either.


Yep. Imagine some families evicted from their homes under eminent domain because a church building would potentially generate more property taxes. If they can do it for other developers they can do it for a tax paying church too.

[Greekgod]

I Think so as well.

[Ducimus]

Steve posting just reminded me of something I've thought about having lived in Utah for a couple years or so now.

If the majority of people are of the same faith, and as a result, the majority of a states population has the same set of values, do those values at that point become a homogeneous socially accepted norm for the area, and hence as a result, is the church really isn't intruding into matters of state at all?

I probably didn't articulate that well. It's kind of a fuzzy and abstract thought. I am one who finds themselves in an odd position of disliking organized religion in general, and yet being ok with it as a non participant living in what is by way of comparison a positive environment created as a direct result of organized religion.

Ohhh.. contradictions! :88)

[Platapus]

Can you give links that to Laws that say that religous orginizations can't contribute to political causes?

Your use of the word "law", "contribute" and "political causes" complicates the question.

Under the IRS regulations churches full under code 501c3 which has limitations in order to keep their tax exempt status.

From the IRS

it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.


Finally, you used the term "political causes" which can mean many different things. Most of which are not prohibited by the IRS rules concerning 501c3 organizations, but not all. When it comes to participating in a campaign, the rules are a lot more clear


Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.



Certain activities or expenditures may not be prohibited depending on the facts and circumstances. For example, certain voter education activities (including presenting public forums and publishing voter education guides) conducted in a non-partisan manner do not constitute prohibited political campaign activity. In addition, other activities intended to encourage people to participate in the electoral process, such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives, would not be prohibited political campaign activity if conducted in a non-partisan manner.


On the other hand, voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will constitute prohibited participation or intervention.




Now, if the 501c organization is a corporation (not all of them are) then there are separate laws governing political contributions. Contrary to the hysteria about Citizens United, corporations are, were, and probably will be prohibited from making contributions directly to a candidate's campaign. All Citizen's United did was re-affirm an already existing law that allows corporations to fund non candidate campaign functions. A subtle but important legal difference.



It is a complicated and complex topic. This is how tax attorneys stay in business.

[Madox58]

Your use of the word "law", "contribute" and "political causes" complicates the question.



Ya. I should know better then to use Layman terms in GT.
:haha:
:up:

[nikimcbee]

Steve posting just reminded me of something I've thought about having lived in Utah for a couple years or so now.

If the majority of people are of the same faith, and as a result, the majority of a states population has the same set of values, do those values at that point become a homogeneous socially accepted norm for the area, and hence as a result, is the church really isn't intruding into matters of state at all?

I probably didn't articulate that well. It's kind of a fuzzy and abstract thought. I am one who finds themselves in an odd position of disliking organized religion in general, and yet being ok with it as a non participant living in what is by way of comparison a positive environment created as a direct result of organized religion.

Ohhh.. contradictions! :88)
Fight the theocracy!:D

In other notes, back in Russian history, one way to dodge state land taxes was to donate your land to the Church, since it was exempt. Ivan the IV (if I remember correctly) ended that in some of his reforms. I don't remember if that is the case in modern Russian history though.


Doesn't the Mormon church own a mall or two in SLC? Seems kinda odd for a non-exempt to own a revenue generating business.:hmmm: I guess it is Utah, the line between church and state can be pretty thin there.

[Platapus]

Lawyers write laws in such a manner that only lawyers can understand them.

Conflict of interest? No! That would be wrong.

[Tchocky]

Sort of.

Copper-bottomed non-ambiguous language has to be complex.

[Sailor Steve]

If the majority of people are of the same faith, and as a result, the majority of a states population has the same set of values, do those values at that point become a homogeneous socially accepted norm for the area, and hence as a result, is the church really isn't intruding into matters of state at all?
You have to remember that when the Mormons founded Salt Lake City it was a theocracy. Brigham Young was the governor of The State and the head of The Church, and ran both with an Iron hand. This continued for ten years, until the Utah War of 1856-57. There was bloodshed, but no real war, and it ended when Brigham Young agreed to step down in favor of a Federally appointed governernor. Young still ruled the Church until his death in 1877. This also brought about the end of the polygamy question, leading to Utah becoming a state in 1896.

When I first came here in 1971 the Mormon influence was heavy. There was a controversy going on concerning official LDS studies in school classrooms after hours. This was finally resolved by opening classrooms for evening studies by anyone qualified to teach them. Utah today is still 70% LDS, but Salt Lake City is quite the opposite, being about 30% Mormon, and a very nice cosmopolitan center with a good club scene.

[Aktungbby]

Lawyers write laws in such a manner that only lawyers can understand them.

Conflict of interest? No! That would be wrong.
How 'bout we start with "in God we trust" right on the filthy lucre itself and work our way back up from there? A suitable New World Order medium of exchange if ever there was one! No wonder our Islamic brethren who sell us the oil for dollars are peeved!:stare::hmmm::up:

[nikimcbee]

You have to remember that when the Mormons founded Salt Lake City it was a theocracy. Brigham Young was the governor of The State and the head of The Church, and ran both with an Iron hand. This continued for ten years, until the Utah War of 1856-57. There was bloodshed, but no real war, and it ended when Brigham Young agreed to step down in favor of a Federally appointed governernor. Young still ruled the Church until his death in 1877. This also brought about the end of the polygamy question, leading to Utah becoming a state in 1896.

When I first came here in 1971 the Mormon influence was heavy. There was a controversy going on concerning official LDS studies in school classrooms after hours. This was finally resolved by opening classrooms for evening studies by anyone qualified to teach them. Utah today is still 70% LDS, but Salt Lake City is quite the opposite, being about 30% Mormon, and a very nice cosmopolitan center with a good club scene.

I'm surprised Duci hasn't converted yet? He does live in the heart of Mordor.:hmmm: Maybe they converted him and didn't tell him.:hmmm: Got jello?

[Armistead]

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p103/aidanski/album3/benny_hinn7.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/aidanski/media/album3/benny_hinn7.jpg.html)

[Ducimus]

I'm surprised Duci hasn't converted yet? He does live in the heart of Mordor.:hmmm: Maybe they converted him and didn't tell him.:hmmm: Got jello?

Ain't ever gonna happen.

I can abide by the customs and such. After all, I moved here, they were already here, nobody asked me to move here to their home, so it's not my place to make waves. However, I won't convert to Mormonism, or any other denomination. I do actually have a lot of respect for the LDS church for various reasons, while my level of dislike of evangelicals has remained undiminished, however I maintain my neutrality. My wife is a "non active" for reasons that are hers (and not for me to share), but the point being i have the inside scoop on what's what, without having to step foot into a local ward house (see that, I know the terminology ). On that note, our combined level of stubborness... she is the unstoppable force. I the immoveable object. We aren't converting anytime soon.

[Onkel Neal]

"the Italian government made a historic change in 2013 tax code to boost revenue: the Roman Catholic Church will no longer be exempt from property taxes in Italy. "

Should the US do the same?

http://www.policymic.com/articles/21918/tax-exempt-religious-organizations-why-u-s-churches-should-no-longer-be-tax-exempt

Well, the income for churches is derived mainly from individuals who have already paid taxes on it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, the income for churches is derived mainly from individuals who have already paid taxes on it.

And can deduct the charitable donation at tax time. :hmmm:

Our tax code sucks. :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

Lol, I was just about to ninja edit and add that :)

[AVGWarhawk]

But truly, the tax code is awful. It is about to get worse.

[Armistead]

Well, the income for churches is derived mainly from individuals who have already paid taxes on it.



I really don't have a problem with incomes being non taxable in churches, but they should pay all other taxes. My taxes shouldn't go to funding services to organizations that don't pay property taxes.

Religion has become big business, become a preacher, start a church and scam away and not worry about the IRS like the rest of us.

[nikimcbee]

Well, the income for churches is derived mainly from individuals who have already paid taxes on it.

As a subsim cult member, I think Neal should count all of this as a religion. One hellavu tax right off. He's already Texas based, so it's all good.

I don't know how we'll accommodate Skybird though.:hmmm:

I've read the first and second Book of Neal.

:hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

All the best cults are in Texas anyway.:woot:

[Madox58]

I'm gonna go religious!!!
http://www.themonastery.org/ordination-form

:har:

Should look good on my resume.

[nikimcbee]

First Book of Neal Ch VII

And low, the Master fed the masses of people, Texas BBQ and banana pudding, and all sorts of various drinks.

And the Buna of the Shire cried, Master when comest the next installment of the Silent hunter series?

And the Master spoke; "in the end times, four score and three fortnights after the grand coming of the Raiders superbowl victory, a messenger from the heavens will appear in the form of a ferret and reveal what thou sleekest."

And the people spoke "WTF?"

Neal wept.

[Madox58]

What about the part where Neal's tears were captured in a holy chalice and used to wash the sacred USS Cavalla that it may transport the holiest of the holy to ever lasting under sea goodness?
:o

[nikimcbee]

What about the part where Neal's tears were captured in a holy chalice and used to wash the sacred USS Cavalla that it may transport the holiest of the holy to ever lasting under sea goodness?
:o

You mean the Holy Virgin of the hot Gaidos waitress?

[nikimcbee]

What about the part where Neal's tears were captured in a holy chalice and used to wash the sacred USS Cavalla that it may transport the holiest of the holy to ever lasting under sea goodness?
:o

Then there's the Holy Icon of Los tres amigos del GWX.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008027.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=goEwnNHiKSJL3M&tbnid=gcF9I7DswXmMdM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.subsim.com%2Fradioroom%2F%2Fa rchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-174750.html&ei=bqZEUvL3N8ioiQKPy4GYBw&psig=AFQjCNFuJYi1MHwO3nPAwj3yZqRF0433Hw&ust=1380317132757085)

[Madox58]

What chapter was the raiseing of the dead?
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/keelhauled.jpg
And Neal said "Let him be not keelhauled as he dothith good stuff."
:D

[nikimcbee]

What chapter was the raiseing of the dead?
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/keelhauled.jpg
And Neal said "Let him be not keelhauled as he dothith good stuff."
:D

I'm having a hard time finding the photo of the Aussie Lazarus.:hmmm:

[Madox58]

I am now a legally ordained Minister.
:D

"Congratulations! You are now legally ordained for life, though you may relinquish your credentials at any time. AS OF Thursday the 26th of September 2013 YOU HAVE BECOME A MEMBER OF THE PRESTIGIOUS CLERGY. You have earned a title worthy of admiration and respect.

Let it be known on this date that in accordance with the laws of the Universal Life Church Monastery, as ordaining officer, I, Brother Martin, do ordain you into our ministry. From this day forward, you are entitled to all of the rights of an ordained minister. You have the authority to perform marriages, baptisms, and all other ceremonies of the church. You are an independent minister of this church. This is a position that carries with it a burden of responsibility; please respect others and comply with the laws of the land."


Anyone want to get married?
:har:

Oh, You must respect me now also or I'll send your soul to hell!!

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh, You must respect me now also or I'll send your soul to hell!!

I don't think that power was vested in you. :hmmm:

[Armistead]

I am now a legally ordained Minister.
:D

"Congratulations! You are now legally ordained for life, though you may relinquish your credentials at any time. AS OF Thursday the 26th of September 2013 YOU HAVE BECOME A MEMBER OF THE PRESTIGIOUS CLERGY. You have earned a title worthy of admiration and respect.

Let it be known on this date that in accordance with the laws of the Universal Life Church Monastery, as ordaining officer, I, Brother Martin, do ordain you into our ministry. From this day forward, you are entitled to all of the rights of an ordained minister. You have the authority to perform marriages, baptisms, and all other ceremonies of the church. You are an independent minister of this church. This is a position that carries with it a burden of responsibility; please respect others and comply with the laws of the land."


Anyone want to get married?
:har:

Oh, You must respect me now also or I'll send your soul to hell!!

Yes, my wife and I would like to marry Warhawk and his wife. Can this be done without baptism?

[Jimbuna]

I'm having a hard time finding the photo of the Aussie Lazarus.:hmmm:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2415/oz8y.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/oz8y.jpg/)

[Armistead]

In all fairness, this picture should've been used against the ugliest dog in America voting, at least then it would be an honest victory for the dog.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, my wife and I would like to marry Warhawk and his wife. Can this be done without baptism?

Yes, but only in Montana.

[soopaman2]

The westboro baptist church is exempt.... (I refuse to capitalize the name)

They love to protest dead soldiers funerals...

I would point you to their rediculous website, but it has a bigoted word in it.

It's uh.. godhates(err bigoted 3 letter word for homosexuals).com

The sheer amount of hate they spew, and how inbred the church is, it amazes me they prosper under these laws.

This is a hate group, they basically think our war dead, is gods retribution for us tolerating Homosexuality.:/\\!!

[Armistead]

Yes, but only in Montana.

We're good with Montana. Just think, we can go line riding for days, do a lil camping, hunting and fishing.

I'll bring the chips....:D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f200/sloppyjoe445/brokeback.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/sloppyjoe445/media/brokeback.jpg.html)

[Jimbuna]

We're good with Montana. Just think, we can go line riding for days, do a lil camping, hunting and fishing.

I'll bring the chips....:D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f200/sloppyjoe445/brokeback.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/sloppyjoe445/media/brokeback.jpg.html)

Be sure to bring your own saddle...no bareback riding allowed :)

[Ducimus]

Be sure to bring your own saddle...no bareback riding allowed :)


TMI!

[TarJak]

Don't forget the annual pilgrimage to view the reclining Bunnha:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008055.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008055.jpg.html)

Where the minister in person can be seen prostrating himself in front of the Bunnha's visage:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008-056_web.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008-056_web.jpg.html)

Or travel to the Flying Saucer where you can see the high priests of GWX wearing their traditional 3 hats and preaching to the unmodded:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/IMG_0498.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/IMG_0498.jpg.html)

Here you can meet the friendly natives... perhaps, try not to get that friendly...
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000136.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000136.jpg.html)

[nikimcbee]

You know, if you added 3 lion tatoos on the arm and give him a pint of Newcastle.....


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[TarJak]

You know, if you added 3 lion tatoos on the arm and give him a pink of Newcastle.....


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:rotfl2:

[Armistead]

Looks like a 3 stooges convention going on in those pics.

[TarJak]

Looks like a 3 stooges convention going on in those pics.
Subsim Meet 2008. You don't know man, you weren't there:O:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000077.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000077.jpg.html)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008053.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008053.jpg.html)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008074.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008074.jpg.html)



@McBee: Fixed:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/TarJak009/laughing-bunnha.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/TarJak009/laughing-bunnha.jpg.html)

[Jimbuna]

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Here you can meet the friendly natives... perhaps, try not to get that friendly...
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^:har:

I remember him, his name was Joshua IIRC and an ex-navy seal.

His facial expression was a picture just seconds after that shot when I whispered in his ear the fact I was gay :D

[nikimcbee]

Everybody knows Jim is gay...the very definition of gay.

Oh, wait, we're not going by the Victorian era definition?:oops:

[nikimcbee]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008053.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008053.jpg.html)


We all thought it was a subsim meet, but at this point, Neal made his pitch to us to buy his Amway soaps and skin products.

[nikimcbee]

Looks like a 3 stooges convention going on in those pics.


Hey, don't blaspheme the patron Saints of the GWX.:/\\k:

Triple Dowly post.:03::rock:

[Jimbuna]

This one didn't come out as well as hoped because I forgot to enable the flash.

Neal threw a SHIV woollen hat to me which landed in my chilli and I said "Is this for me considering it's SHIV"?

Neal pointed at me and said "Yes"

Kpt. Lehmann received one as well so as we were driving back to the hotel in Privateers car, Kpt. Lehmann had us stop at some place so he could by a coffee making machine for the hotel room.......that was my opportunity to switch hats :)

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/5789/sz8k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/sz8k.jpg/)

[u crank]

Keep the photos comin' guys.:up:

[nikimcbee]

Motion to hijack and rename this thread the "Neal's Church of Subsim".:subsim:

Buna Akhbar.

[Armistead]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008053.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008053.jpg.html)


We all thought it was a subsim meet, but at this point, Neal made his pitch to us to buy his Amway soaps and skin products.

Neal looks like John Elway with a belly...:D

[nikimcbee]

So, all these major religions have someone who is martyred .

So who's going to take one for the team?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111117120918/southpark/images/0/06/ButtersStotch.png (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=HVVdsbqElrxt3M&tbnid=V9jQr_GfhprxcM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsouthpark.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FButt ers_Stotch&ei=uxpHUvf0BJLtrAH5hoGQBQ&bvm=bv.53217764,d.aWM&psig=AFQjCNFadCtX7zcTJAN_1q5thatmj-wN-A&ust=1380477965957322)


Steed maybe?

[nikimcbee]

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/5789/sz8k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/sz8k.jpg/)

You need to buy my fine skin care products.

[Jimbuna]

The usual suspects

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9463/zlvg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/zlvg.jpg/)

[nikimcbee]

I can't find my subsim meet photos on imageshack?:shifty::dead::nope:
Maybe I'll re-load them.

[nikimcbee]

Too bad more people didn't go to the one in Fall River MA. I think we saw more warships than all the other subsim meets combined.

http://imageshack.us/a/img687/2684/subsim2010iii371.jpg

[Jimbuna]

I can't find my subsim meet photos on imageshack?:shifty::dead::nope:
Maybe I'll re-load them.

That's a plus then....wouldn't want to post the one of you picking up the money tips we all left at the TexMex restaurant :O:

[Platapus]

Could we get some names associated with the pictures. It would be nice to know who was in the pictures. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

I doubt you need any help with #67

[Platapus]

I doubt you need any help with #67

I have never met anyone, in real life, from subsim. :nope: So I don't know anyone's picture.

[Jimbuna]

I have never met anyone, in real life, from subsim. :nope: So I don't know anyone's picture.

#67 Left to Right:

Nancy Jeff/privateers wife, Jeff/Privateer, Grant/TarJak...the good looking guy on the right his name escapes me atm :03:

[Platapus]

Always interesting putting faces to screen names. :up:

[Jimbuna]

Always interesting putting faces to screen names. :up:

Yeah I think so to...where's yours? :hmmm:

[Platapus]

Yeah I think so to...where's yours? :hmmm:

Kind of a old one..

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4832384770900972&pid=15.1&H=160&W=125

I don't have as much hair as I used to though. :nope:

[nikimcbee]

Yeah I think so to...where's yours? :hmmm:

Already been posted:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0gM5TjSOQ48/0.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=eAKKBvPsw7jDUM&tbnid=h8tbD-77FA8nMM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0gM 5TjSOQ48&ei=vDdHUvzlCpLiyAHd_IHQDQ&bvm=bv.53217764,d.aWM&psig=AFQjCNGhSvX4rY4JFGjk1vNI3x3-rG36qg&ust=1380485423858733)

[Platapus]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4952953120752316&pid=15.1&H=126&W=160

[Jimbuna]

Kind of a old one..

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4832384770900972&pid=15.1&H=160&W=125

I don't have as much hair as I used to though. :nope:

Yeah, I figured as much.

[Jimbuna]

Already been posted:


Very naughty Jason....but I liked it :)

[TarJak]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4952953120752316&pid=15.1&H=126&W=160
Or...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_x4oEPf-oR3o/SwRo6vpetOI/AAAAAAAACMQ/dViZ1_8eohc/s1600/Kelli%26PussW.jpg

[Jimbuna]

More like...

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9652/wizardbehindcurtain.jpg

[TarJak]

More like...

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9652/wizardbehindcurtain.jpg

At least mine as a good pun. Well maybe not a good one.:O:

[nikimcbee]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_x4oEPf-oR3o/SwRo6vpetOI/AAAAAAAACMQ/dViZ1_8eohc/s1600/Kelli%26PussW.jpg

I'm sorry, what were you saying again Tarjak, I was distracted.:03:

[TarJak]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_x4oEPf-oR3o/SwRo6vpetOI/AAAAAAAACMQ/dViZ1_8eohc/s1600/Kelli%26PussW.jpg

I'm sorry, what were you saying again Tarjak, I was distracted.:03:

She's trying to plat her puss.:03:

[August]

Kind of a old one..

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4832384770900972&pid=15.1&H=160&W=125

I don't have as much hair as I used to though. :nope:

I can imagine seeing as you died in 1986 Cary. :D

[Platapus]

I can imagine seeing as you died in 1986 Cary. :D

I got better. :D

[Madox58]

I got better. :D
:o

It's a Miracle!!
:rock:

[TarJak]

:o

It's a Miracle!!
:rock:

Hallelujah! All hail the power of the mystical coffee maker!http://www.popdaily.net/forum/images/smilies/bow-down-before-you.gif

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000130.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000130.jpg.html)

[Madox58]

Hallelujah! All hail the power of the mystical coffee maker!http://www.popdaily.net/forum/images/smilies/bow-down-before-you.gif



:hmmm:
Was not the 'Mystical Coffee Maker' granted unto the care of 'Neal The Great' upon the departure of Saint Kpt.Lehman upon the wings of a great bird?

[TarJak]

:hmmm:
Was not the 'Mystical Coffee Maker' granted unto the care of 'Neal The Great' upon the departure of Saint Kpt.Lehman upon the wings of a great bird?

I believe it was where it resides in pride of place on a pedestal not far from the Lehmann Proof Door.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008087.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008087.jpg.html)

Where acolytes still gather to this day to pay homage to the miracle of the invisible door
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008078.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/Subsim2008078.jpg.html)

[Madox58]

That door was less then this thick!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Sub/That-Door.jpg

Oh. Was shopping for new clothes today.

http://www.fantasycostume.com/images/rentals/monk6214.jpg

:D

[TarJak]

:har:

[TarJak]

The saints of GWX review the new acolyte uniforms for 2014
http://iconvsicon.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Kate_Upton_Nunkini.jpg

[Jimbuna]

I'm more worried about the hairstyles :o

[TarJak]

I'm more worried about the hairstyles :o

I'd say she doesn't have much to style from what I can see.:03:

[Jimbuna]

Hallelujah! All hail the power of the mystical coffee maker!http://www.popdaily.net/forum/images/smilies/bow-down-before-you.gif

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/TarJak/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000130.jpg~original (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/TarJak/media/Subsim%20Meet%202008/P1000130.jpg.html)

Remember this? :)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5282/vojx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/vojx.jpg/)

Jeff "I wouldn't be going in the bathroom Todd, Jims taking a dump"

Todd (not hearing Jeff) "Jim, want to see my new coffee maker"?

Jim "Can't I even have a crap in peace...bugga off"!!