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cyllan

09-18-13, 06:38 AM

Sjizzle

09-18-13, 06:46 AM

i am deleting the damned sh5......and the useless mods who dont work......

after 3 years you need to have a near computer degree to play SH5.

no wonder nobody makes silent hunter games anymore.

i never been so dissapointed in a game or community everl...

no UI mods that work, and to make them work you need to edit files and more files........why on earth does the darth wraith makes a mod with 3 settings and no normal way to change the UI.

well i cant change it.

congratulations.... you are a nerd and i am a regular player.

obviously we are no match for your skills....so the game is dead...no SH6.

unistalled and deleted.........i will try skyrim or others instead.

no more donations either.

you so superior ....pay for your own BS
out and out

what UI mod doesn't work for you ?
i don't understand your problem .... i can play with sober mod list with no problem and also my mod list without any problem ...
u don't need to edit anything in mods ....
if u use tdw's generic patcher u need to enable only the patches witch u wish ....
idk from where come your frustration ....

Herr-Berbunch

09-18-13, 06:48 AM

Most players of a modded SH5 are just regular guys, no need for a degree in computing, just a bit of patience and reading.

I'm sure the community will mourn your loss. Maybe you should aim your anger towards the corporate Ubi$oft rather than the miracle workers who do it all for free. :down:

Trevally.

09-18-13, 07:00 AM

Cyllan you are through to SH5 modding help desk. :)
Please select an option for help:yep:

Select 1 for a full refund
Select 2 for technical support
Select 3 to Kick TDW
Select 4 for a step by step guide on how to fix your problem

1 (http://www.whitehouselanepublications.com/images/No%20Refunds-thumb-640xauto-45409.jpg)

2 (http://withfriendship.com/images/i/41300/Technical-support-wallpaper.jpg)

3 (http://cenblog.org/terra-sigillata/files/2011/03/bush_obama_kick_me.jpg)

4 (http://www.funkimunkibadges.co.uk/images/medium/Keep%20Calm%20And%20Do%20It%20Yourself_medium.jpg)

Have a nice day :subsim:

mookiemookie

09-18-13, 07:06 AM

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Feuer Frei!

09-18-13, 07:14 AM

Mikemike47

09-18-13, 08:08 AM

i wasted 10-12 hours of my life making this stupid game play like SH4 stock...no more, i got a job and a family........no time for this BS

no UI mods that work, and to make them work you need to edit files and more files........why on earth does the darth wraith makes a mod with 3 settings and no normal way to change the UI.

We've got lives, too. Sorry it did not work. UIs work for many of us. Did you read the documentation for New UIs for TDC? I bet you did not.

Did you read the pdf or help text for JSGME? Probably not.

If you need help we can walk you through this. Read all documentation for the mods before installs. They do work. A lot of us will gladly help if you decide to return. Remember we are volunteers. We are not Ubisoft or the development teams.

Hinrich Schwab

09-18-13, 08:46 AM

i am deleting the damned sh5......and the useless mods who dont work......

after 3 years you need to have a near computer degree to play SH5 properly....useless ubisot useless modders.

no wonder nobody makes silent hunter games anymore.

i never been so dissapointed in a game or community ever...

i wasted 10-12 hours of my life making this stupid game play like SH4 stock...no more, i got a job and a family........no time for this BS

no UI mods that work, and to make them work you need to edit files and more files........why on earth does the darth wraith makes a mod with 3 settings and no normal way to change the UI.

well i cant change it.

congratulations.... you are a nerd and i am a regular player.

obviously we are no match for your skills....so the game is dead...no SH6.

unistalled and deleted.........i will try skyrim or others instead.

no more donations either.

you so superior ....pay for your own BS
out and out

Nice attitude problem you have there. Seeing that you joined the forum before I did, yet only have nine posts tells me that you never really asked for the help you supposedly never got. Your attempt at trolling is not exactly going to help you at this point, either. The gangplank is on the port quarter, since you are looking for it.

plj

09-18-13, 09:08 AM

I'm new here .. forgive me if I cross the line ... I come from EVE online ;)

i am deleting the damned sh5......and the useless mods who dont work......
You are deleting the moderators ? You sure that is legal ?

after 3 years you need to have a near computer degree to play SH5 properly....useless ubisot useless modders.Why are you blaming others for your inabillity to read ?

i never been so dissapointed in a game or community ever...
You registered in 2009 ... made a grand total of 9 posts including this one, and you claim to be dissapointed in the community ? Geez ... I signed up a week ago or so, and have had great help in chat and pretty darn fast answers on various topics with insightfull posts. I'm inclined to think it has little to do with the community.

i wasted 10-12 hours of my life making this stupid game play like SH4 stock...no more, i got a job and a family........no time for this BS
your tears ... delicious.

no UI mods that work, and to make them work you need to edit files and more files........why on earth does the darth wraith makes a mod with 3 settings and no normal way to change the UI.
If you'd read as much as you rant, you'd know why, and how to use it.

well i cant change it.

congratulations.... you are a nerd and i am a regular player.

obviously we are no match for your skills....so the game is dead...no SH6.

unistalled and deleted.........i will try skyrim or others instead.

no more donations either.

you so superior ....pay for your own BS
out and outFFS ... cry harder ... I need to fill the drydock. These people provide their free time at no cost to make an absolute awesome subsim out of sh5, where ubisoft abandoned it long ago, and you dare insult them because of your inabillity to read ?

:down::down::down::down::down:

Webster

09-18-13, 09:36 AM

i am deleting the damned sh5......and the useless mods who dont work......

after 3 years you need to have a near computer degree to play SH5 properly....useless ubisot useless modders.

no wonder nobody makes silent hunter games anymore.

i never been so dissapointed in a game or community ever...

i wasted 10-12 hours of my life making this stupid game play like SH4 stock...no more, i got a job and a family........no time for this BS

no UI mods that work, and to make them work you need to edit files and more files........why on earth does the darth wraith makes a mod with 3 settings and no normal way to change the UI.

well i cant change it.

congratulations.... you are a nerd and i am a regular player.

obviously we are no match for your skills....so the game is dead...no SH6.

unistalled and deleted.........i will try skyrim or others instead.

no more donations either.

you so superior ....pay for your own BS
out and out

well lets see, you only made 9 posts at this site in 4 years and only one or two of those asked a question or for any help, sort of, and the others were just rants about not liking the game.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/search.php?searchid=1626193

now you blame subsim and modders because sh5 isn't the game you thought it should be?

here at subsim we are grown up adults who understand we just need to ask questions about things we don't understand because people here will go out of their way to help you understand and fix any problems you might have. after your 4 years here how can you not understand this?

please have a nice day and move along until you learn to ask for help and not just insult everyone else because you don't understand something

thank you

Gunsilnger

09-18-13, 11:39 AM

I'm not gonna reiterate what these guys have already said, it's not necessary, and I think you get the point. I will however say that this community is awesome, far more friendly and forgiving than many of the other forums that I have experience with. As far as the mods and modders go, I have to say that the mods I've read about sound awesome and like they really make SH5 an amazing Sim, and I give the modders tons of credit for their work. That said, I don't know the first thing about mods, be it how to install or use them. However, I'm having a blast with SH5 in it's completely stock form, and I've found no reason to berate anyone as a result of my own lack of understanding of mods or patches.

Regarding the Dark Wraith being a nerd comment, I'm sure, like me, that that individual will take that as a compliment.

Have a nice day. :D

gap

09-18-13, 12:01 PM

i got a job and a family........no time for this BS

Did you really get a job and a family with such a boyish attitude? Hallelujah, God exists :o

You are lucky man, stop wasting your time on videogames and make sure you won't loose them. :03:

:subsim:

Madox58

09-18-13, 12:10 PM

Wow!
:o
Just WOW is all I can say.
:nope:

I think I fired him once. Or someone like him.
:har:

SnipersHunter

09-18-13, 12:32 PM

Wait. You say nerd? This is a simulation not a casual game so play it or dont play it

Peter Cremer

09-18-13, 12:38 PM

I'll bet even your tricycle has training wheels.

Dowly

09-18-13, 12:46 PM

I'll bet even your tricycle has training wheels.

Hahahahaha! :haha:

Madox58

09-18-13, 01:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSucaRaZ8lY

:haha:

icthird623

09-18-13, 01:24 PM

Give him back his money OH! Wait, the help and mods did not cost anything.
:hmm2::hmm2:

Peter Cremer

09-18-13, 05:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSucaRaZ8lY

:haha:

Beautiful!!

V13dweller

09-20-13, 01:23 AM

Subsim is not a place for you to vent your frustrations, helps is not far away... If you ask nicely, if this is your way of asking nicely, I don't think there is much hope for you here, best go else where.:timeout:

The community is will help you by all means, but with this attitude I don't think anyone will want to help.:nope:

I think this qualifies for the Editorial policies rule.
"The Radio Room forum is not the place for flaming, spewing, or otherwise mouthing off. We do not allow posts where people are called idiots, morons, etc. We respect your freedom of speech, we ask that you respect our rules. You are welcome to express your opinion about games and other subjects. We do not want SUBSIM Review and the Radio Room forums to degenerate into a collection of *This game sux!!!!* and other immature rants. Like something or dislike something about a game, express your thoughts in reasoned and responsible terms. There are any number of forums which allow unbridled idiocy to reign, we want the Radio Room to be a civil, mature forum for discussions about naval and subsims, tactics, mods, playing tips, troubleshooting, and submarine topics in general."

Rules (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules3_faq_item)

If you think you can be nicer with your requests, I will personally walk you through setting up your mods and mod soup.

Subsim should not be used to vent your frustrations, everyone else does not want to hear you rant, so if you want to start anew and 'reword' your request, the community might, just might help you.
:shifty:

limkol

09-20-13, 07:39 AM

Does this guy think that WE are Ubisoft?:hmmm:

Any complaints about SH5 and talk of refunds should surely be sent to Ubisoft NOT Subsim. It's Subsim that has made the game playable.....free of charge and in the modders free time. It's Ubisoft that sells the product. It's like blaming the hospital because you hit yourself with a hammer!!!!

We've all had frustrations and need of help. Most of us got and are still getting help from the guys on this forum.

Shut the door on your way out.:salute:

Aktungbby

09-20-13, 07:53 AM

......

this BS

well i cant change it.

am a regular player.

so the game is dead..

unistalled and deleted.........

no more donations either.

pay for your own BS
out and out HASTA LA VISTA...BABY!:Kaleun_Salute::salute::salute:( but come back whenever your mods...er... MEDS wear off!)

Herr-Berbunch

09-20-13, 08:07 AM

Shut the door on your way out.:salute:

Somebody may need to hold his hand as he does it. :03:

icthird623

09-20-13, 12:42 PM

I apologize for my sarcastic response. V13Dweller in my opinion replied with an appropriate and informative response, while offering to help. How great is that ? I salute you V13Dweller. :salute:

adrians69

09-20-13, 01:32 PM

How can you say that about the modders here? The amount of work that goes into these mods is phenomenal and very time consuming. They don't get paid for this, unlike the devs who created the game. If it were not for the community and modders here, I would have ditched SH5 long ago, but it is now a far superior sim and arguably the best in the SH series thanks to the work by the modding team!

And how can it take 10-12 hours to install 1 mod!! JSGME is your friend and would have installed TDW's UI mod in about 3 seconds, try it sometime. Try reading the instructions that come with the mods and also the posts about them. All the info you need is right there!! :/\\!!

gap

09-20-13, 02:53 PM

How can you say that about the modders here? The amount of work that goes into these mods is phenomenal and very time consuming. They don't get paid for this, unlike the devs who created the game.!

Let me jump on defense of devs: I and other modders before me have been in touch with some of them, and I must say that they are veritable gentlemen. More notably, they were as sorry as us for the state of the game when it was released, and they didn't spare their time in helping our community as much as they could. :yep:

What they obviously can't say openly, is that they were forced by Ubisoft to release an unfinished game, but this is not a good reason for blaming on them the wrong policy of their company.

Not saying that you stated the contrary, adrians69, but your post gave me the occasion for this reminder. :salute:

adrians69

09-20-13, 05:04 PM

You're right and I don't blame the devs at all. without them there would be no SH5. I'm just amazed that someone can criticize the work of modders and devs alike, just cos he can't be bothered to do a little research and reading.

plj

09-20-13, 05:51 PM

It's easy to explain tho ... look at how kids are raised...

They are tought by daily example that if you stamp your foot and yell at the people responsible, that you get your way AND an icecream for all the tears you poor booboo cried.

I LOVE the expression on the faces of kids that just learned that I opperate under quite a different set of rules :o

Madox58

09-20-13, 06:02 PM

I get along great with kids.
:yep:
(Once they see the 'All unattended children will be sold as slaves' sign I have hanging in the house!)
:D

gap

09-20-13, 06:05 PM

I LOVE the expression on the faces of kids that just learned that I opperate under quite a different set of rules :o

So do I :D

I get along great with kids.
:yep:
(Once they see the 'All unattended children will be sold as slaves' sign I have hanging in the house!)
:D

:haha:

Zander

09-20-13, 07:05 PM

"you got problems". This is not a civilian aviation flight simulator site. Many of us are also flight simmers.
I have seen anger and frustration on this site before, but never with the venom that you spewed, and certainly never at the members of this community that you just railed against.
This is the coolest community on the web. And yes there are some on here with serious skills, but this is a community that does not eat its own. It shares.
Maybe you were having a bad day? You can always apologize, but it will be a long road back to respectability for this cardinal sin which you've commited.
That is my opinion, I welcome yours.:D

Madox58

09-20-13, 07:08 PM

To late.
I already sold him!
:D

V13dweller

09-20-13, 11:37 PM

I get along great with kids.
:yep:
(Once they see the 'All unattended children will be sold as slaves' sign I have hanging in the house!)
:D

I am thinking of buying that from you! :har:

BigWalleye

09-21-13, 07:01 AM

Let's not be too hard on Opie. Subsims are not the same as FPS thumb-busters. They’re an intellectual, cerebral challenge, all left brain and no right thumb. Some gamers can appreciate that and some can’t.

And TDW’s mods require more effort – and RTD! – than a lot of gamers are willing to expend. It’s not rocket science, but then, some people aren’t cut out to be rocket scientists, either.

It’s too bad that Opie chose to leave with such an ill-tempered and inappropriate post. But it’s probably best for him that he just deleted SH5 and shuns this forum. I don’t think he’d have ever been comfortable here.

At least, he walked out. Others have behaved even worse and been thrown out.

This forum is not in any way exclusive. But it is self-selecting. And that's OK.

@TDW: From what I've seen, I doubt you took Opie's post personally. But I think a lot of people want to apologize for his outburst and tell you that you da Wiz!

Madox58

09-21-13, 08:22 AM

I am thinking of buying that from you! :har:
:D
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/100_0766-1.jpg

gap

09-21-13, 09:39 AM

So you were serious about that sign. :o

Man, comparaed to you, Herod the Great could be regarded as a philantropist :har:

Trevally.

09-21-13, 11:08 AM

So you were serious about that sign. :o

Man, comparaed to you, Herod the Great could be regarded as a philantropist :har:

:rotfl2::har:

Peter Cremer

09-21-13, 12:18 PM

The publisher released a beta project and sold it as a finished sim. The MODDERS took this beta project and made it an excellent sim. If it weren't for the MODDERS, SH5 would have disappeared a long time ago. They did professional work on an unprofessional piece of software. Thank you.

plj

09-21-13, 12:31 PM

The devs released a beta project and sold it as a finished sim. The MODDERS took this beta project and made it an excellent sim. If it weren't for the MODDERS, SH5 would have disappeared a long time ago. They did professional work on an unprofessional piece of software. Thank you.

I'd prefer you use 'publisher' vs 'devs'. Not even a programmer that hates his job would ship the collection of bugs more commonly known as stock SH5.

Webster

09-21-13, 01:52 PM

I'd prefer you use 'publisher' vs 'devs'. Not even a programmer that hates his job would ship the collection of bugs more commonly known as stock SH5.

the devs came here and at times may have coms close to risk being fired for giving too much info about the game code and trying to help this community overcome some of the problems with the game so don't blame them.

if your boss says mail an unfinished letter or you are fired then you mail it, its as simple as that.

the devs (I cant speak for each and every one) I and others communicated with at this site were just as unhappy about the product being released before it was finished. their name is on it and they take pride in their work so they feel even more strongly then you do that more time was needed to fix some issues but the guy signing your paycheck makes those decisions so it wasnt up to the devs anymore then it was up to us as far as at what point and condition it was released in.

don't blame the devs for deciding things that they had no decision in, it was the guys in suits in ubi main offices who rushed it out the door

Madox58

09-21-13, 02:12 PM

:sign_yeah:

I still ask questions of the original Dev's of versions of SH 3, 4, and 5 with a full understanding that they may want to answer them but can not due to discloser contracts and/or other reasons like being fired.

plj

09-21-13, 02:19 PM

the devs came here and at times may have coms close to risk being fired for giving too much info about the game code and trying to help this community overcome some of the problems with the game so don't blame them.

if your boss says mail an unfinished letter or you are fired then you mail it, its as simple as that.

the devs (I cant speak for each and every one) I and others communicated with at this site were just as unhappy about the product being released before it was finished. their name is on it and they take pride in their work so they feel even more strongly then you do that more time was needed to fix some issues but the guy signing your paycheck makes those decisions so it wasnt up to the devs anymore then it was up to us as far as at what point and condition it was released in.

don't blame the devs for deciding things that they had no decision in, it was the guys in suits in ubi main offices who rushed it out the door
I'm not blaming dev's ... I tried to say the same thing to the guy I reacted to. If he swapped 'dev' with 'publisher', his comment would be ok, and I added that no dev ever would want to release something like this .. and you illustrate perfectly why: you dont want to be connected to a steaming pile of bugs .. it's bad for your resume.

Peter Cremer

09-21-13, 04:24 PM

I'd prefer you use 'publisher' vs 'devs'. Not even a programmer that hates his job would ship the collection of bugs more commonly known as stock SH5.

Correction has been made. My bad.

V13dweller

09-22-13, 12:36 AM

:D
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/100_0766-1.jpg

Another reason why I just need to get one of those!:haha:

cherbert

09-22-13, 09:18 AM

If people are in contact with some of the old devs have they ever considered joining forces and doing a Kickstarter project?

Webster

09-22-13, 09:38 AM

If people are in contact with some of the old devs have they ever considered joining forces and doing a Kickstarter project?

as explained, under penalty of law and massive fines they cannot use the info in their heads about what classified info they know about the game and how to manipulate it.

so in short even if they wanted to they couldn't be part of modding the game without being sued over it because of what they know, its called proprietary info for a reason.

any help they could give if they so desired would and could only be in the form of general suggestions of where to look to find things and never in any way to actually give direct help in doing anything. they are a resource to ask where to find some files for a particular thing you are looking for or "if" something can be done not "how" it can be done and that's how limited they are in the help they can offer anyone. to the best of my knowledge they have already given about all the help they could offer for sh3 and sh4 and few if any were involved in sh5 (I think 2 of the old devs were) since a whole new team was brought in for it so I don't know if any of the new sh5 devs are members here or even care about the game community.

I don't even know if the old devs are still around much or if you could even get in contact with them unless they already knew you.

cherbert

09-22-13, 09:51 AM

as explained, under penalty of law and massive fines they cannot use the info in their heads about what classified info they know about the game and how to manipulate it.

so in short even if they wanted to they couldn't be part of modding the game without being sued over it because of what they know, its called proprietary info for a reason.

any help they could give if they so desired would and could only be in the form of general suggestions of where to look to find things and never in any way to actually give direct help in doing anything. they are a resource to ask where to find some files for a particular thing you are looking for or "if" something can be done not "how" it can be done and that's how limited they are in the help they can offer anyone.

I don't even know if they are still around much or if you could even get in contact with them unless they already knew you.

I was hinting at a whole new submarine game. As long as they don't steal any sourcecode there is no way they can be held contractually regarding 'ideas' in their 'heads'. Thats just ridiculous.

Ubisoft don't own copyright on a Type VII Uboat, its schematics, equipment and how it handles on the water.

Webster

09-22-13, 10:03 AM

I was hinting at a whole new submarine game. As long as they don't steal any sourcecode there is no way they can be held contractually regarding 'ideas' in their 'heads'. Thats just ridiculous.

Ubisoft don't own copyright on a Type VII Uboat, its schematics, equipment and how it handles on the water.

understandable thought process but its not ridiculous, its called non compete clause and if they have one it prevents them from doing exactly what you have in mind or making anything similar to any games they created for ubi.

not saying they couldn't find some way to do it if they desired (most non compete clause expire after a period of time, usually a year or two) but even then anything they do would be scrutinized and under suspect and the game companies have armies of lawyers who make sure devs ideas and anything they think about ends up belonging to the company when they leave, game companies have to do this and they know it.

plj

09-22-13, 11:41 AM

I'm glad more and more companies start understanding the added value for adding support to mods. Mods are the reason they are still selling copies of SH5 to date ..

gap

09-22-13, 01:05 PM

Mods are the reason they are still selling copies of SH5 to date ..

that's sure. :yep:

On the other hand, try to imagine what would have happened if Ubisoft released a proper game... the SH5 mods workshop section of this forum would have been a rather desert place. Most of us modders would be depressed and mostly aimless persons, and we would have been easy preys for internet gambling, heavy glue consuption, solitary fishing, nose-picking and other despicable vices. Sober would have probably finished his first campaign. Without all the "is it worth buying", "SH5 state", "What if Ubi released a better game" and "SH6 release date?" & Co threads, the general forum would hardly have 1/4 of its current posts. Even this exquisite discussion wouldn't probably exist (let's admit it: assisting to cyllan's hilarious outburst, was a priceless experience for most of us :O:)

For all of this, I want to say:

THANK YOU, UBISOFT :D

Hotjoe

09-22-13, 02:38 PM

Well he sort of has a point. For example the instructions for sobers mod list is a jumbled up mess. It doesnt even sound like the guy speaks english fluently at some points.

Sjizzle

09-22-13, 02:57 PM

Well he sort of has a point. For example the instructions for sobers mod list is a jumbled up mess. It doesn't even sound like the guy speaks English fluently at some points.

sober instructions are very clear idk what u don't understand there ....and there are more thread about how to set up your mod list but need a bit to search .... soon somebody will come here and will blame the moders and subsim community cos can't double click on .exe file and start a game ....

gap

09-22-13, 02:58 PM

.... soon somebody will come here and will blame the moders and subsim community cos can't double click on .exe file and start a game ....

:sign_yeah: :rotfl2:

Aktungbby

09-22-13, 03:35 PM

So you were serious about that sign. :o

Man, comparaed to you, Herod the Great could be regarded as a philantropist :har:
Hope its not hangin' in a Sambos:arrgh!:

plj

09-22-13, 04:19 PM

Well he sort of has a point. For example the instructions for sobers mod list is a jumbled up mess. It doesnt even sound like the guy speaks english fluently at some points.

..gosh .. are you the OP's brother ? That was not the point I was trying to make .. so your own English skills are lacking for that matter ..

I followed the same instructions you just labeled a jumbled up mess, and my game runs fine atm. I think we have a clear case of PEBKAC.

Also, what I would want to say to you based on that last line there, would probably become quite unreadable as there is some sort of profanity filter in place ... but sure, go feel superior to the guy with the accent ... while you lack basic reading comprehension skills :rotfl2:

Hotjoe

09-22-13, 05:39 PM

Dont be mad.

Ill pretend you didn't actually say that text comes with an accent. For your reference:
ac·cent
noun
ˈakˌsent/
1.
a distinctive mode of pronunciation of a language, esp. one associated with a particular nation, locality, or social class.

So to say I somehow feel superior to how the guy accented his fingers across the keyboard just made you look a little silly. English is english my friend.

Hotjoe

09-22-13, 05:45 PM

Now that thats out of the way, the point Im trying to make is that it seems most here have modded these types of games before and are familiar with it. Good for you. You cant just assume others are as seasoned with this stuff as you. Much of the instructions and steps might seem simple and clear cut to someone as well read as yourself but to others its hard to discern. But I still hold to my previous statement that some of sobers sentence structure itself is even hard to understand at times which makes it even harder to comprehend. Not rappin the guy, i admire anyone who gives their own time towards something theyre passionate about to make something better for everyone, im just stating a fact.

gap

09-22-13, 07:25 PM

@ Hotjoe and all the complaining guys

I really don't get your point.

While I will admit that many "advanced" SH5 players had, at various degrees, experience of other games of the SH series, it is also true that there are many exceptions to this rule: I, Volodya, Fifi, Sjizzle, and many others, started from zero, and we made slowly our way in the SH5 world and in the (irksome at times) terminology of its modding community. Almost every week I see some new members popping up, posing intelligent questions and eventually becoming good modders.

On the other hand, I realize that not everyone approaching this game wants necessarily to become a modder. We have a thread in the SH5 Mods Workshop section called SH5 Mod Guide for Beginners (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1806557#post1806557), which suits the needs of the casual gamer and contains all you really need to know to get your SH5 installation to a decent state, and to start a new campaign in few tens of minutes.
Should you feel like going a step ahead in game realism and enjoying some more advanced features/fixes, the thread How to Use TDW GenericPatcher for Beginners (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2080306#post2080306) explains in all detail how to enable TDW's patches.
In case of doubts, you can always ask on the forum. There is almost always an advanced player around, and with rare exceptions, questions get answered in a matter of hours.

Should you get bored of the game in a handul of days, unistalling it is up to you. Otherwise if, after playing some historical missions or the first campaign objectives, you decide that it is time to enhance even more your gaming experience, threads like sobers mega mod, My mods compilation, or Sjizzle's mod list with CSP Magui interface will help you building your own mod list. Given the complexity and the big number of mods being part of their lists, mega mod compilers can't explain all the details of the featured mods, but their threads usually contain links to the REL threads of those mods, with full instructions on their usage/installation (something people hardly bother to read).

One last note: here we aim to help each other to the best of our capabilities, but we are not part of Ubisoft's customer service; not everyone here is a native English speaker, and someone who is (like sober) doesn't feel like expressing himself in an elaborate English, favouring a more concise language for is free time activities. Should you miss some point or need for further details on any topic, I repeat myself, you can always ask for clarifications in a polite way. While saying that soemone "doesnt even sound like speaks english fluently" is not expressely offensive, it is neither especially polite. :shifty:

My two cents.

plj

09-23-13, 12:52 AM

Well he sort of has a point. For example the instructions for sobers mod list is a jumbled up mess. It doesnt even sound like the guy speaks english fluently at some points.

Dont be mad.

Ill pretend you didn't actually say that text comes with an accent. For your reference:
ac·cent
noun
ˈakˌsent/
1.
a distinctive mode of pronunciation of a language, esp. one associated with a particular nation, locality, or social class.

So to say I somehow feel superior to how the guy accented his fingers across the keyboard just made you look a little silly. English is english my friend.

Once you two figured it out, maybe we can get the official stance on it ?

Now that thats out of the way, the point Im trying to make is that it seems most here have modded these types of games before and are familiar with it. Good for you. You cant just assume others are as seasoned with this stuff as you. Much of the instructions and steps might seem simple and clear cut to someone as well read as yourself but to others its hard to discern. But I still hold to my previous statement that some of sobers sentence structure itself is even hard to understand at times which makes it even harder to comprehend. Not rappin the guy, i admire anyone who gives their own time towards something theyre passionate about to make something better for everyone, im just stating a fact.

Again .. if you just start at the first post of sober's [INF] topic .. and work your way through there, you will either end up with a working, patched and modded sh5, or with questions that dont boil down to: please do it for me, I dont even wanna understand it, I just want you to fix it for me.

Also, you still seem to forget or just dont appreciate that the people here provided everything for free and the ONLY requirement being made is that you read a little more then you are used to. Get used to it .. once your parents dont take care of you anymore, it's the only way to get where you wanna go.

Subnuts

09-23-13, 07:25 AM

Webster

09-23-13, 09:08 AM

I think cyllan's first post says it all really: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155038

oh my god i played the first time with o2 ,batteries, and fuel, i had to resurface every 15 seconds, from pearl harbour to japan was 30 minutes to get there,

forget about the fuel batteries crap

:rotfl2:

and that's a good spot to end this useless thread on.

to those who made points about understandings and such lets remember there are often translation software involved at times and often when the member is not native speaking English there will be a few things the translator spits out that don't sound right or may not make sense.

also as noted let me remind all that a newbie and a person who is used to using mods have much different understandings of the same instructions so easy to read and understanding instructions can still befuttle a newbie who may not understand the obvious things most are "expected" to know already.

because of this the same person who claims today that instructions are hard to understand would be the same one to complain after using mods for a year if the same instructions were made childishly basic for beginners so what are modders supposed to do, write two sets of instructions? no, that's why they try to make instructions fit the average mod user with basic skills and understanding and noobs just need to ask a few questions until they learn. the learning curve is simple and quick so its never an issue for long before those asking questions understand and become the ones teaching other noobs.

the OP posted and ran away and everything that could and should be said has been said so this thread is done IMO