I was accused of being a "pinko" today LOL

[Bubblehead1980]

The recent headlines about fast food workers protesting has surely invoked some interesting, polarizing discussions.Even more interesting it has left me on the side of well, the left(when it should not be a left right issue) in a discussion in class.

After some thought, I have to agree that the workers should be paid more and are right for striking, just as many jobs should pay more because if the free market would pay more, then the government would not have to pick up the slack with food stamps etc. Of course, the government is responsible, at least partly with their taxes, over regulation etc but that is another issue.The owners of businesses are also responsible as they are greedy and while it may be their business etc, it is wrong to pay someone such low wages.

Of course after saying this a few times as of late, I have angered some fellow conservative types who just found it abhorrent I would take such a stance. Honestly, I have seen some of the ignorance on "my side of the isle". This is why we lose elections, we allow the left to take the banner they are for working people(they are not, they are for subsidizing people's current situation so it seems they are on their side and get their votes) while our party/movement appears in rhetoric and policy to be on the side of those which continue to exploit the workers of this country.

Really, the shining moment was when I was told that I sounded like I was a little "pink" and of course the word PINKO was later tossed around. SMH

[the_tyrant]

You see, I self identify as a "profiteer".

Why tie yourself to the left or right wing? Why just do make decisions based on your own self interest?

Thus, I never cared about such labels, when I get called a Nazi or a libtard, I simply respond by saying that I support things based on my own self interest. I do not care about ideology, or party lines.

[Bubblehead1980]

You see, I self identify as a "profiteer".

Why tie yourself to the left or right wing? Why just do make decisions based on your own self interest?

Thus, I never cared about such labels, when I get called a Nazi or a libtard, I simply respond by saying that I support things based on my own self interest. I do not care about ideology, or party lines.


Good point.Well I believe in the free market but we are in a period where it is broken.Partly due to the government, partly due to it's own behavior.I find it morally wrong to pay someone in today's society, with the cost of living what it is, $7.25 an hour, esp with record profits. The whole point of work is so someone can provide for themselves and their family.I am sorry but no one can do that with what these jobs pay.While in the old days these jobs were for teenagers, retirees, etc due to the way our economy has changed, many people who normally would not have these jobs, do. The big picture is that so many jobs pay wages that are too low, esp for what people do day to day.

[TarJak]

And of course the company management pass the additional cost on so the customer must pay more further increasing the cost of living. The buck has to stop somewhere.

[Wolferz]

The majority of people share the same attitude of " I like me best" There is no "I" in the word team. As a team we can accomplish greater things than we can as individuals.
Unfortunately, that philosophy doesn't go over well in a society that promotes competition as the norm. Especially when the winners see themselves as the only reason for their success. Regardless of how many people assist them in the achievement, they still see themselves in their own light. This leads to greed and greed leads to suffering and taking advantage of the less fortunate.

I agree that the fast food workers as well as many other professions aren't paid a living wage. The winners see their work forces as beggers and slaves. Useful only to pad their wallets.

I've worked many a minimum wage job in my life and watched the owners reap all the benefits to the point of flaunting it and then acting like they did me a huge favor by hiring me and paying me next to nothing in comparison to what they took to the bank.
The government doesn't treat a person much better when they get their 23% out of your meager pay check every week.
If I owned a company, I would pay my staff, including myself, a living wage so we could be successful through the long term.


No, you're not a Pinko for raging against the self serving greedy people who ski down their noses at their employees by paying them the government mandated minimum wage.

[Bubblehead1980]

And of course the company management pass the additional cost on so the customer must pay more further increasing the cost of living. The buck has to stop somewhere.


Yea you know what, I have found that to be a cop out.Sure if you push it too far but when you have companies making record profit, paying employees living wages, they don't have to pass the buck along to the consumer like they say.This all comes down to greed to be honest, nothing more.

[TarJak]

Cop out it may be, however that is how companies behave. The only tempering factor is market competition.

[vienna]

Hey, Bubbles, here's your Party invitation:


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[Bubblehead1980]

Hey, Bubbles, here's your Party invitation:


http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/commies.jpg




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haha thats classic

[Armistead]

Min wage should be a living wage, at least $12 per hour, then let the market sort it out. The only problem is which of these low paying jobs would be shipped over seas. The other issue, if wages go up too much, the person is replaced by robotics.

[Rilder]

The only problem is which of these low paying jobs would be shipped over seas. The other issue, if wages go up too much, the person is replaced by robotics.

To be fair, leaving the minimum wage at its current slavery levels isn't exactly stopping that anyways.

Also the majority of the people who call someone a "Pinko" are ignorant to even the basic ideas Communism, so don't let it get to you, bubblehead.

[Betonov]

If I'm pinko compared to Bubbles and Bubbles is pinko to those people, what the hell am I to them :o

[Webster]

this whole argument is pure BS :timeout:

if you want all workers paid a living wage then change the minimum wage but I am sick and tired of all the boo-hoo crying because some snot nosed kids at burger king cant buy a corvette on what they make.

I live on disability and get $1,000 a month and that's it! $12,000 a year total income which is also (according to the government) too much to qualify for any other forms of assistance or government aid programs and yet somehow I can manage to live on that so why cant they manage on what they get now which is almost double what I have for income. pardon me if I don't cry about a bunch of kids who cant afford the latest fashion trends on a burger king job.

this "false" notion of they need their food stamps EBT to survive is BS anyway since you don't qualify for food stamps if you make minimum wage because "you have too much income"

there are some older workers there that never saved any money and are now at retirement age with nothing and must go to work and burger king is all the options they have but that is not burger kings fault it is theirs for not preparing and saving money when they had a good job.

for those people on soc security there definitely needs to be a large increase in minimum benefits so that it stays in line with the current federal minimum wage.

the real crime is making seniors try to live on so little income while everything gets so expensive around them and at the same time say its unfair not to pay teens at burger king double their present pay, at $7.25 they have twice the income I and the majority of seniors in this country have now to live on.

at election time everyone is in favor of cutting social security in the name of making it better yet we have only gotten two 1 percent cost of living increase in the last ten years, so spare me those poor spoiled kids wanting more party money. there are others who have more pressing needs.

[Wolferz]

Webster, you've noticed the pattern.
The black SUV's will be along shortly for your ride to the FEMA camp, along with that pinko Bubblehead. :03::D

That's what happens when the slaves get all uppity.:timeout:

[Mittelwaechter]

To be left is the way, if you care for the people, if you want to be fair and just, if you want to provide just enough for all.
To be right is the way, if you care for the money, if you want to exploit and dominate, if you want to provide all for only a few.

Capitalism cares for the money, socialism cares for the people. Socialism fails, if it has to compete with capitalism, because socialism is not after money, it is not after competition. Capitalism has to fight socialism, as it depends on growth. Growth on resources and consumers, to be found in the socialist system, after the capitalist system hits its own limits.

Socialism is a counterweight for capitalism. If it vanishes, capitalism runs hot and evolves into fascism. The former forced social markets of capitalism change into free capitalistic markets, destroying any social habits. All hard-won privileges are wound down and withdrawn.
The people are reduced to resources - human resources. They are used and treated like slaves, because there is no alternative (unattacked or uncrippled) system available. And the slaves turn asocial, fight each other and think they are responsible, because they don't understand their own system.

As long as we fail to limit the accumulation of money, all humane, social and caring systems, all democracy will fail again and again.

The capitalist forces win back all the terrain they lost with the invention of democracy and socialism.
They are competitive by default and they accumulate money to power to control, to lead us back into the dark ages.

We let money rule the world. That's the problem.

[Takeda Shingen]

You've got your fascism and capitalism definitions backwards. Capitalism, an economic theory, promotes the unrestricted free market. Fascism, as a political system, promotes a mixed economy theory. Therefore your stated evolutionary economic theory is, well, wrong.

[Mittelwaechter]

Capitalism can exist under several political systems, but with the lack of socialism it turns into a fascistic system.

Our recent neo-fascism is not led by politicans but by corporates. They have pure capitalist objectives.

"Evolve" is maybe not the correct expression.

Capitalism without counter weight breeds fascism - if you prefer.

[Takeda Shingen]

Capitalism can exist under several political systems, but with the lack of socialism it turns into a fascistic system.

Our recent neo-fascism is not led by politicans but by corporates. They have pure capitalist objectives.

"Evolve" is maybe not the correct expression.

Capitalism without counter weight breeds fascism - if you prefer.

No, no, no. Fascism promotes state-run capitalism, or mixed economic theory. Unrestricted free market capitalism, ie "pure capitalism" is not something that fascists desire, as they cannot control it.

[Mittelwaechter]

Our free market is not free. It is controled with subventions and restrictions in favour for the corporations. The market is "free", because they can do what they want, without any scrupels. Free trading, free money flow and free flow of workers or workstations. But it is not uncontroled.

The fusion of state and corporates is defined as fascism by Mussolini himself.

The original fascism was led by politicians - with all pomp and glory. The corporates made great money but were not in charge.

Today the neo-fascism is not run by politicians but by the corporates. They control the politicians and waive the pomp and glory. They stay behind the scenes and push the politicians into the lime light. The democratic rites are just a show to keep the people docile.

But they control the market situation and conditions through the politicians.
(or other manipulating behaviour)

[Takeda Shingen]

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/markincomo/what-am-i-reading.jpg

[HunterICX]

You owe me a Coca Cola Takeda :rotfl2:

*wipes monitor clean*

HunterICx

[Mittelwaechter]

Sorry?

I don't know how to interpret your picture.

:06:

EDIT: ah! Ok - I understand.

Well...

[Catfish]

^ you cannot understand it unless you have no idea of 'Stamokap' and revolution theory :O:
(and i mean exactly what i wrote)

And you are right, our market is not really free. Because of lobbies and interests of big companies that do not tolerate competition.And as long we have leaders (lol) like Cheney i do not think that competing companies would have a chance, in the US. Or better: the one which pays most will get the advantage.
What we do have is beginning locust capitalism, but if you read e.g. Marx
(who invented capitalism and value added tax, but no one ever refers to that)
you will see that after some time there are only a few companies left, and then things begin to become really nasty. This also will be capitalism, but in its last stage, and not a free one.
By theory free capitalism only works in its early stage.

[Wolferz]

It's all about the Benjamins. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe we should put Filmores' portrait on the C note.

Bow down and kiss the all seeing eye.:/\\k: If your shackle chains are long enough.

How much for a happy meal? One Filmore!

[Mittelwaechter]

In our families we don't care for money but for members. Socialism is a natural system we run at home. We share resources and try to balance the demands.
It is not to be condemned.

But as members of the capitalistic societies we are indoctrinated to fight socialism, because those who profit control our perception through their media, they control our motivation.

Our personal experience is positive versus socialism, but our remote controled experience is negative. We want to be part of the community and tend to jump on bandwagons. Therefore we ignore our personal experience, we may not even know to be socialists at home. As long as no one tells us...


Cheney and Halliburton may have had some advantage from several manipulations of the peoples and politicians perception.

[Armistead]

By theory free capitalism only works in its early stage.

I tend to agree. We can look at our history to see what true capitalism created, a working slave class under monopoly rule. Sadly today our jobs can be shipped off to the system of old, no regulation, benefits and slave wages. Americans fought for years for fairness, got it to a degree, but we're fast losing it in a global economy. We're heading back fast to a class system of elites and poor.

[Tchocky]

Globally we're looking at the largest wealth creation event in history over the last couple of decades.

Of course those at the top (everyone posting in this thread including me) don't want this to change.

[vienna]

Excuse me, I didn't catch what you said...

I was too busy counting my piles of capitalistic lucre...


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[Armistead]

Globally we're looking at the largest wealth creation event in history over the last couple of decades.

Of course those at the top (everyone posting in this thread including me) don't want this to change.

Not really, we're seeing a wealth shift to a small percent. Certainly, wealthy people don't won't it to change, but the failure will be in that it will lead to a change in the economic power map. When you create a class system, it will eventually lead to the end of that nation as a power. You can only keep the masses at bay with tax funded social programs for so long.

Our economy in the US hasn't really improved, the govt simply dumped a few trillion into the economy, which created some jobs and propped up the stock market. Now we're left with the debt and those funded jobs will go away. Course, govt will keep trying to fund the economy and kick the bucket down the road, but eventually it will implode. Any serious economist admits the big crisis is coming.

[mookiemookie]

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?

[vienna]

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?



http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2012/11/19/fea_19potter_t400.jpg?fd5af0684d698ce74dd4392bafb4 f89a6dc66ee3


"Be Still My Heart!"...


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[nikimcbee]

You see, I self identify as a "profiteer".

Why tie yourself to the left or right wing? Why just do make decisions based on your own self interest?

Thus, I never cared about such labels, when I get called a Nazi or a libtard, I simply respond by saying that I support things based on my own self interest. I do not care about ideology, or party lines.

I can't believe you like money!:hmmm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck

[Wolferz]

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?
Do you mean Crony Capitalism?
What do you do after you have squeezed the last dime out of a guy and he has no more? Offer him a job at minimum wage or direct him to the welfare office for a government handout so you can continue the big squeeze?
I guess either choice would work toward the goal of an exorbitant profit by robbing someone into the poor house.

Crony capitalism is like the man who would steal your wallet and then calls you to complain that it didn't have enough money in it.:yep:

[Mittelwaechter]

Let's get trillions of credits of his unborn children right now.