WWII vet, 88, brutally beaten to death in Spokane, Wash.

[eddie]

I can't believe someone would attack such an old guy!:nope: My god, he was 88 years old, what kind of threat could he pose to anyone? Basically defenseless at that age. May he rest in peace.

My Dad is a WWII vet, 89 years old, not sure I could control my rage if something like this happened to him.

Worthless punks did this, and should pay dearly for it!!:mad:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20145461-wwii-vet-88-brutally-beaten-to-death-in-spokane-wash?lite

[Nippelspanner]

What a tragedy and waste of human life, 88yo or not, doesn't matter. Hard to understand such actions and to cut things short: Just shoot that guy in the head in the next back-alley... I'm growing sick of news like this, really.

Just one thing... why does it matter that he was a veteran? Would it have been less of a tragedy when he would not have served in WW2? Vet or not, doesn't matter at all but sure sounds more dramatic/sad in any headline.

News these days.

[Cybermat47]

Utterly disgusting :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Absolutely senseless :nope:

RIP Sir

[Armistead]

Bad as those 3 teens killing that baseball player from Australia, just wanted to kill someone for the fun of it.

It's really scary today, people wanting to kill...just because. The fact is, you may never see it coming. We had a bad case in our small town, old lady running a flower shop, man walked in robbed, raped and killed her. Really shocked us, she was 68 years old. He got less than a 100 bucks.

I have a conceal carry permit, but seldom carry. Think I'll start packing daily.

[Nippelspanner]

It's really scary today
Things like that happened 100 years ago as well. It's nothing "new" to be honest. I think through the modern media and infrastructure, it just makes the round quicker - or at all.

Although, I get the feeling that absurd crimes like this are happening more frequent. But if this is a fact, I don't know.

[August]

Just one thing... why does it matter that he was a veteran?

It adds irony to the story. The man risked his life to defend his country and this is how some punk repays him. Sad.

[Jimbuna]

It adds irony to the story. The man risked his life to defend his country and this is how some punk repays him. Sad.

Agreed :yep:

[Ducimus]

Aside from that, WW2 veterans are greatly respected, if not revered.

Between this, and those 3 teens thrill killing the Australian, it really goes to show the extent of moral decay in this country.

[AVGWarhawk]

Between this, and those 3 teens thrill killing the Australian, it really goes to show the extent of moral decay in this country.


Where does one get their morals?

[Ducimus]

Where does one get their morals?

Good parenting maybe? Aside from that I think there has been some large shifts in society that encourage less then desirable attributes in people. (which could be a very long topic in and of itself)

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

[GoldenRivet]

Heads are gonna roll when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpten get fired up on this!


What? They won't?


Hmm

[AVGWarhawk]

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

And I agree as well.

I'm inclined to believe that kids are left to raise themselves these days.

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxMy03ZTQwMTI2ZjE1MWZiN2Fm.png


It is a real shame that three strong pick on the one elderly weak for a few dollars. It is a real shame this gentleman put his life on the line so three punks have the freedom to take his valuables and leave him for dead. Perhaps more accountability from parents is the answer.

[AVGWarhawk]

Heads are gonna roll when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpten get fired up on this!


What? They won't?


Hmm


http://www.backwaterreptiles.com/images/feeders/feeder-crickets-for-sale.jpg

[nikimcbee]

Aside from that, WW2 veterans are greatly respected, if not revered.

Between this, and those 3 teens thrill killing the Australian, it really goes to show the extent of moral decay in this country.

This. The same thing happened here in Oregon with WW2 Marine Hero, Marion Carl.
:down:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/12/family_of_maj_gen_marion_carl.html

[nikimcbee]

Good parenting maybe? Aside from that I think there has been some large shifts in society that encourage less then desirable attributes in people. (which could be a very long topic in and of itself)

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

I see Happy Valley hasn't converted you yet.

Note, Send more cookies and jello salad to Ducimus' house.:D

[WernherVonTrapp]

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion...
Interesting; when I look up the word "Moral" in both my Webster's and Oxford (American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus), the word "Religion" is not found in any of it's forms, nor implied.:hmm2:

[AVGWarhawk]

Interesting; when I look up the word "Moral" in both my Webster's and Oxford (American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus), the word "Religion" is not found in any of it's forms, nor implied.:hmm2:

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

[Armistead]

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

I think it does have some impact. For most of us growin up as kids 60s-80's, even if your family wasn't religious, we were more aware of the eye in the sky, going to hell, prayer in school, 10 cmdts, etc. I think a lot of it was growing up at the end of the cowboy age, the white hat age, we understood good vs evil. Heck, even fake wrestling taught good vs. evil as well as most TV shows, Waltons, Happy Days, etc. I think the bigger problem today is that everything is shades of grey.

Certainly, religions was the base for morality and even most law. As we went secular, morals have been redefined.

I'm sure these events have always existed, just not reported. I think the scary thing is useless crimes or fun killings. That seems to be something more new.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think it does have some impact. For most of us growin up as kids 60s-80's, even if your family wasn't religious, we were more aware of the eye in the sky, going to hell, prayer in school, 10 cmdts, etc. I think a lot of it was growing up at the end of the cowboy age, the white hat age, we understood good vs evil. Heck, even fake wrestling taught good vs. evil as well as most TV shows, Waltons, Happy Days, etc. I think the bigger problem today is that everything is shades of grey.

Certainly, religions was the base for morality and even most law. As we went secular, morals have been redefined.

I'm sure these events have always existed, just not reported. I think the scary thing is useless crimes or fun killings. That seems to be something more new.

No doubt it has a impact. Ducimus cut me off at the pass in his post a few back and I left it at that. I did not want to turn thread into a discussion of religion.

[WernherVonTrapp]

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.
You missed my point, and therefore the fault is mine. What I was (not so eloquently) implying is that Religion and Morality should be synonymous, but unfortunately they are not. People can be religious about many thing. They can be religiously immoral. Just because a religion exists, doesn't make it any more moral than the people that make up it's body. Religions are institutions created by man.
If I also look up the word "religion/religious", I do not find the word "moral" either.:03:

[AVGWarhawk]

You missed my point, and therefore the fault is mine. What I was (not so eloquently) implying is that Religion and Morality should be synonymous, but unfortunately they are not. People can be religious about many thing. They can be religiously immoral. Just because a religion exists, doesn't make it any more moral than the people that make up it's body. Religions are institutions created by man.
If I also look up the word "religion/religious", I do not find the word "moral" either.:03:

Read post #20. :O:

[WernherVonTrapp]

Read post #20. :O:
:03::up:

morals have been redefined.


I believe you cannot really redefine morals. I mean, one can change whatever he/she likes about their definition to justify their opposition, or lack of dedication to them, but the only thing that's really changing is one's regard or disregard for them.
Just because the masses accept an immorality as now being moral, doesn't actually make it moral. It only changes their opinion/perspective of the morality.
OK, my apologies for the OT.

[Ducimus]

How often are the words "Honor" and "Integrity" used in today's society? Not very much i wager.

Also, there is no religious context that I am aware of in the following statement:

On my honor, I will not lie, cheat, steal, commit any act of intentional dishonesty, nor tolerate those who do.

I had those words drilled into my head as a teen, and have tried to live by it for most of my life. Mostly successful, sometimes not.

[AVGWarhawk]

Also, there is no religious context that I am aware of in the following statement:

Quote:
On my honor, I will not lie, cheat, steal, commit any act of intentional dishonesty, nor tolerate those who do.




Very similar to a few of the 10 commandments. :hmmm:

[Ducimus]

The concept that lying, cheating, stealing, etc is not exclusive to any religion or culture. Then there's Honor and Integrity. Concepts almost as old as civilization itself. Personally, i don't even hear the word integrity anymore unless its in the context of Law Enforcement.

Boil it down further, in reference to the story in the OP in this thread, and even the 3 teens that decided to thrill kill, I have to wonder what kind of father figure is common these days? Has child rearing taken a horrible wrong turn or is there a lack or poor parental figures? If that's the case, then next question is why? Social/economic reasons perhaps? Or maybe simply a distinct lack of face to face human interaction in today's world, which perhaps is resulting in less empathy? Did i mention this thought process could be a long subject all unto itself? :haha:

I don't think there is any one single cause, but I do think moral decay is a real issue.

[AVGWarhawk]

The concept that lying, cheating, stealing, etc is not exclusive to any religion or culture.


I don't think there is any one single cause, but I do think moral decay is a real issue.

Of course it is not exclusive to any religion or culture but how do you think it came about that these things like lying, cheating, stealing and killing are a bad thing?

Yes, there is moral decay. What is the leading cause of moral decay in your opinion?

[Ducimus]

Of course it is not exclusive to any religion or culture but how do you think it came about that these things like lying, cheating, stealing and killing are a bad thing?

If we were to split hairs, id say, that if a set of religious commandments were being written today, and we were sitting in the same room as the guy doing the writting, and he wrote those down, id say something like, "Well duh!" These things are baser moralities. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a religious scholar to know that being stolen from, cheated on, lied to, or killed really freaking sucks. I don't want these things done to me, so I don't wish them on anyone else. It's a no brainer. Really.


Yes, there is moral decay. What is the leading cause of moral decay in your opinion?

You mean I have to pick just one cause? :O: I don't think i can. :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

If we were to split hairs, id say, that if a set of religious commandments were being written today, and we were sitting in the same room as the guy doing the writting, and he wrote those down, id say something like, "Well duh!" These things are baser moralities. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a religious scholar to know that being stolen from, cheated on, lied to, or killed really freaking sucks. I don't want these things done to me, so I don't wish them on anyone else. It's a no brainer. Really.


We are not born understanding that killing, cheating, lying and stealing are wrong. Basically we are animals at birth and taught right from wrong. It is not instinctual that I would think. These ideals of right and wrong came from somewhere.

[Ducimus]

Empathy.

EDIT:
Oh and GI Joe cartoons, cause knowing is half the battle! :D

[Wolferz]

Kids today need a free subscription to Highlights for Children.
Goofus and Gallant had a special way of teaching good morals. Even though the title was rather insensitive, judgemental and taught derogatory name calling.:hmmm:

Maybe that's why we're all so screwed up.:-?

[WernherVonTrapp]

How often are the words "Honor" and "Integrity" used in today's society? Not very much i wager.

Also, there is no religious context that I am aware of in the following statement:



I had those words drilled into my head as a teen, and have tried to live by it for most of my life. Mostly successful, sometimes not.
Nobody is perfect, that includes, most of all, me.:D:oops:

[AVGWarhawk]

Kids today need a free subscription to Highlights for Children.
Goofus and Gallant had a special way of teaching good morals. Even though the title was rather insensitive, judgemental and taught derogatory name calling.:hmmm:

Maybe that's why we're all so screwed up.:-?


:har::har: I read Highlights when I was a kid. Add in Mad, Cracked and High Society Magazine when we got older. Yep, could be one of the causes we are screwed.

[Ducimus]

Oh what the hell....

Scuse me while i get out a cane, a rocking chair, and bust out the ever classic, "when i was your age i walked uphill in the snow to get to school" metaphor.



In no particular order, when i was growing up:

- We didn't have the internet. We did something a lot more personal, we put pen to paper, and wrote a letter with our own hand.

- We didn't "friend" someone on Facebook. We went outside to play in the company of our friends instead.

- Chat's were something we did face to face. Not on typing on a keyboard in front of an electronic machine.

- We didn't text someone about something. We called them on the telephone and talked to them instead.

- When i did something really bad, my Father spanked me so i wouldn't do it again.

- Video games were meant as a form of entertainment. Not as a life endeavor, or something that took hundreds of hours, or was ultra realistic or ultra violent.

- My parents exercised parental discretion and didn't let me watch certain things until i was old enough.

- I had two Parents, who were married.

- We said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school.

- TV stations broadcast the star spangled banner once a day. (you know, back when they weren't on 24 hours and would end their broadcast on a patriotic note)

- Being a Patriot was something good. Not something that appears on some government agencies list of extremists.

- Everyone knew why we celebrated the 4th of July, with authentic looking copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights being given out freely.

- There were as many blue collared jobs to be had as white collared jobs.

- The cost of a college degree wasn't equivalent to the mortgage of a nice house.

- We were taught to respect our elders.


Now, i'm sure i could expand this even longer if I thought about it, but I think my point is clear enough. Maybe. :shifty:

[AVGWarhawk]

Sit down before I box your ears. :stare:

[WernherVonTrapp]

Oh what the hell....

Scuse me while i get out a cane, a rocking chair, and bust out the ever classic, "when i was your age i walked uphill in the snow to get to school" metaphor.



In no particular order, when i was growing up:

- We didn't have the internet. We did something a lot more personal, we put pen to paper, and wrote a letter with our own hand.

- We didn't "friend" someone on Facebook. We went outside to play in the company of our friends instead.

- Chat's were something we did face to face. Not on typing on a keyboard in front of an electronic machine.

- We didn't text someone about something. We called them on the telephone and talked to them instead.

- When i did something really bad, my Father spanked me so i wouldn't do it again.

- Video games were meant as a form of entertainment. Not as a life endeavor, or something that took hundreds of hours, or was ultra realistic or ultra violent.

- My parents exercised parental discretion and didn't let me watch certain things until i was old enough.

- I had two Parents, who were married.

- We said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school.

- TV stations broadcast the star spangled banner once a day. (you know, back when they weren't on 24 hours and would end their broadcast on a patriotic note)

- Being a Patriot was something good. Not something that appears on some government agencies list of extremists.

- Everyone knew why we celebrated the 4th of July, with authentic looking copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights being given out freely.

- There were as many blue collared jobs to be had as white collared jobs.

- The cost of a college degree wasn't equivalent to the mortgage of a nice house.

- We were taught to respect our elders.


Now, i'm sure i could expand this even longer if I thought about it, but I think my point is clear enough. Maybe. :shifty:
I couldn't have described it better. Now, come 4th of Julys, I hardly ever see the flag displayed anymore.:nope:

[AVGWarhawk]

I couldn't have described it better. Now, come 4th of Julys, I hardly ever see the flag displayed anymore.:nope:

It is displayed at my ranch.

Now sit down before I box your ears. :stare:

[STEED]

:nope:

[eddie]

Well they caught one of the punks who did this ( only 16 years old too), still looking for suspect #2, shouldn't take long to get him hopefully!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20145461-teen-arrested-in-beating-death-of-wwii-vet-88-in-spokane-wash?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

[Daveb1]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

[u crank]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

If it was relevant. Is it?

[Wolferz]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

We didn't want to play that card. Besides, you're supposed to pull the jokers out of the deck before you shuffle.:hmmm:

I'm still trying to figure out why the news media had to include the word Vet in the headline. As mentioned previously. Vet or not, the crime was still just as heinous.
Captain Hindsight to the rescue...
If Mister Belton had been armed, the story would be quite different and there would be a bigger broohaha about it. The lickspittles Jackson and Sharpton would be all over it as a hate crime against a teen of Ethiopian descent.

[Sailor Steve]

Oh what the hell....
Oh, I could have so much fun with that. :yep:

But I wouldn't be relevant. I'm not relevant anyway, but that's another story.

If it was relevant. Is it?
Somebody of some race killed somebody of some race. How could it not be relevant? :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

There was no race on foot, car or otherwise. What race?

[Wolferz]

There was no race on foot, car or otherwise. What race?

There might have been a foot race. Mister Belton attempting to race away from the punk and the punk racing after him. Wasn't much of a competition.
I'm sure the black kid is very proud of himself. It's going to be the most expensive work he's ever done. Can't blame his parents or his teachers because you just can't fix stupid.

[AVGWarhawk]

The young man is just misunderstood.:doh:

[Onkel Neal]

He looks like he could've been Obama's son.

[Father Goose]

I wonder if Holder will launch an investigation and consider charging the attackers with a hate crime as he did with Zimmerman?

[August]

He looks like he could've been Obama's son.

:).

[Wolferz]

He looks like he could've been Obama's son.

If Obama wasn't a switch hitter, he could be his offspring.:O:

[Armistead]

He looks like he could've been Obama's son.

They were just children.

[Jimbuna]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

You mean the human race?

[Bubblehead1980]

This reminds me of the case of Marion Carl, the first Marine Fighter Ace of World War II.Killed defending his wife against some low life punk during a home invasion in 1998.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

No, not blind, just muzzled by PC.

[Platapus]

I'm disappointed, no one has mentioned race, are you guys blind

Daveb

I can't believe no one has mentioned shoe sizes or what was eaten for breakfast. No comments about what music each liked or whether they enjoyed reading Science Fiction.

Why? Because it really does not matter for the story.

Unless one can make the argument that any of the above has a causality relationship and not just a correlation relationship with the crime, it does not matter.

It is not PC, it is a thing called logic. :)

[Onkel Neal]

Then why was race such a big factor in the Trevon Martin case?

[eddie]

Because it makes better headlines Neal.

[August]

Because it makes better headlines Neal.

No, the Martin case was about race because a loud and powerful political group decided to make it about race.

[Buddahaid]

No, the Martin case was about race because a loud and powerful political group decided to make it about race.

In my life experience I've encountered more black racists than white racists, or at least it seems so. If this had been two white punks killing a black man it would have been about race, but blacks killing blacks, or whites, is not inflammatory enough to push political agendas, and any attempt by whites to make it a racial topic is in itself considered racist. :nope:

[WernherVonTrapp]

Well, if you give someone a "Wild Card", they are going to play it if it helps their hand.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, the Martin case was about race because a loud and powerful political group decided to make it about race.

:yep:

But they will tell you otherwise.

[Tribesman]

:yep:

But they will tell you otherwise.
And there was me thinking it was to do with the ongoing long history of racial prejudice.
I think there are enough posts in this topic to bear that out and there is certainly no shortage of them in the topics about that particular case.

[Buddahaid]

And there was me thinking it was to do with the ongoing long history of racial prejudice.
I think there are enough posts in this topic to bear that out and there is certainly no shortage of them in the topics about that particular case.

True enough but that racial prejudice is a two edged sword. I've actually had someone tell me "I'm not prejudiced, I'm black." However, being an Irishman, I'm sure you've had enough experience with these things to know it will never stop until both sides of the coin agree to stop instead of getting even. And where do you draw the line between simply disliking someone who just happens to be of another race, and being labelled a bigot because you dislike them? Very fuzzy these days to be sure but I refuse to bear the stigma for past actions that have nothing to do with me except for my race.

[AVGWarhawk]

And there was me thinking it was to do with the ongoing long history of racial prejudice.
I think there are enough posts in this topic to bear that out and there is certainly no shortage of them in the topics about that particular case.

Yes, white Hispanics have a long history of prejudice. :doh:

[Daveb1]

This country has paid reporations for slavery since L Johnson Great society. It has taken many forms but basically forces distinctions between races. It has destroyed black families (and others) and after 50 years of it, I think it is turning me into a racist. I had nothing to do with slavery and I'm sick of paying. I'm sick of affirmative action, food stamps, failed education, welfare and the general liberal approach to social and economic problems.

[Cybermat47]

Oh what the hell....

Scuse me while i get out a cane, a rocking chair, and bust out the ever classic, "when i was your age i walked uphill in the snow to get to school" metaphor.



In no particular order, when i was growing up...


Now you see, all of the things that have led to 'moral decay' in my generation, they were caused by the generation before us. So if we're going to blame entire generations, then it's the one before mine :cool:

[Buddahaid]

Now you see, all of the things that have led to 'moral decay' in my generation, they were caused by the generation before us. So if we're going to blame entire generations, then it's the one before mine :cool:

Here now what's that you young whippersnapper? Go to your room now young man!

[eddie]

This country has paid reporations for slavery since L Johnson Great society. It has taken many forms but basically forces distinctions between races. It has destroyed black families (and others) and after 50 years of it, I think it is turning me into a racist. I had nothing to do with slavery and I'm sick of paying. I'm sick of affirmative action, food stamps, failed education, welfare and the general liberal approach to social and economic problems.

And here I thought this thread was aqbout an 88 year old man being beaten to death by 2 punks, not about political nonsense.

[Tribesman]

True enough but that racial prejudice is a two edged sword. I've actually had someone tell me "I'm not prejudiced, I'm black." However, being an Irishman, I'm sure you've had enough experience with these things to know it will never stop until both sides of the coin agree to stop instead of getting even. And where do you draw the line between simply disliking someone who just happens to be of another race, and being labelled a bigot because you dislike them? Very fuzzy these days to be sure but I refuse to bear the stigma for past actions that have nothing to do with me except for my race.
All good points.
Yet what we have seen here is people dealing with it as either a one edged sword, or because it is a two edged sword it somehow makes their side of the sword OK.

Yes, white Hispanics have a long history of prejudice. :doh:
Would you like to examine history?
Then you can come back and try and defend that statement.

[AVGWarhawk]

Would you like to examine history?
Then you can come back and try and defend that statement.

Let's try to defend "white" Hispanic instead. :03:

[eddie]

Well, suspect number 2 has been arrested! That didn't take too long!:up:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/26/20197098-second-teen-arrested-in-beating-death-of-wwii-vet-delbert-belton?lite

[Jimbuna]

Glenn turned himself in, but Adams-Kinard remained in hiding for four days until "dozens of tips" led cops to his hideout, Spokane police said.


Nice one :cool:

[Tribesman]

Let's try to defend "white" Hispanic instead. :03:
That's easy, if you take over Spanish colonies you take their casta and fit it into your own colour system or you don't.
Since I don't and you have it's up to you to defend it:03:

[AVGWarhawk]

That's easy, if you take over Spanish colonies you take their casta and fit it into your own colour system or you don't.



Fit into a color system? I did not realize it color system. I was told it is a characteristic. A characteristic that the media decided to point out in this particular case to help facilitate their agenda and generate ratings. This was also bolstered by the white African American President.

[Tribesman]

Fit into a color system? I did not realize it color system.
Its a legacy issue, if you start off with things like "free white males" the system develops from there with its definitions.

I was told it is a characteristic.
Skin colour and decent is a characteristic?

A characteristic that the media decided to point out in this particular case to help facilitate their agenda and generate ratings.
I seem to recall quite a few posts stating that he was Hispanic not white, which would seem that pigmentation is an issue for some and their agenda.

This was also bolstered by the white African American President.
You were saying?
Would that be white, Caucasian African or white, non Caucasian African?

[Onkel Neal]

Fit into a color system? I did not realize it color system. I was told it is a characteristic. A characteristic that the media decided to point out in this particular case to help facilitate their agenda and generate ratings. This was also bolstered by the white African American President.


:haha:

[Aktungbby]

Bad as those 3 teens killing that baseball player from Australia, just wanted to kill someone for the fun of it.

It's really scary today, people wanting to kill...just because. The fact is, you may never see it coming. We had a bad case in our small town, old lady running a flower shop, man walked in robbed, raped and killed her. Really shocked us, she was 68 years old. He got less than a 100 bucks.

I have a conceal carry permit, but seldom carry. Think I'll start packing daily.
Just reupped my CCW, good for another two years, well heeled. I'm grandfathered in as they are tough to get here and u don't let one expire. Still prefer the Lemat though.:arrgh!:

[eddie]

Now one of the suspects says the old guy was selling crack! :rotfl2: I wonder who told that kid to say that!?!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20213257-suspect-in-wwii-vet-slay-we-were-buying-crack-from-victim?lite

[August]

Where's the ounce of crack they said they took? :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

“That’s a bunch of crock,” daughter-in-law Barbara Belton told NBC News


Rgr that :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

Now one of the suspects says the old guy was selling crack! :rotfl2: I wonder who told that kid to say that!?!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20213257-suspect-in-wwii-vet-slay-we-were-buying-crack-from-victim?lite

He was also dealing in illegal firearms and human trafficking. :doh: Did these young men really believe that the law would buy that story?