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Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 09:34 AM

“The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the U.S. Congress,”

title may seem a little hyperbolic, but this is no mere opinion piece, but a very objective look at the current state of US political leadership. The research is amazingly in depth and will lay out things in a manner that can not be denied.Scary and maddening how the American people let their guard down and have fallen for this over the years.No wonder Dems are urging Republicans to "rebrand", they did it.

Tchocky

08-19-13, 09:38 AM

"Objective"

Dowly

08-19-13, 09:41 AM

But... he's from New Zealand, surely he can't know so much about America to write a book about it's congress without actually being an American!?

Madness I tells you! MADNESS! :dead:

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 09:43 AM

"Objective"

Absolutely. Honestly, how could anyone deny this? Besides being so obvious anyways, this work lays it all out in a well researched manner, evidence is undeniable, read it and see. Like I said, it's been obvious for a long time but those who deny or are on the fence, works like this could convince.Unfortunately, you know the ignorant masses refuse to read now days and not like the media(full of the "progressives") would never give it air time.

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 09:51 AM

But... he's from New Zealand, surely he can't know so much about America to write a book about it's congress without actually being an American!?

Madness I tells you! MADNESS! :dead:

Nice try. My comment about you would not understand was in response to someone from another country who could not understand what he described as the "paranoia" on this side of the pond.I was simply saying that I can see why he does not get the legitimate fear of government we have as it's too entirely different cultures. Still engrained in many european nations is the notion of being subservient.I love the UK and mean no disrespect but my god, they still have a Royal Family they just go nuts over and the UK has been ruined by the same cancer that is eating at America now.Not insulting anyone but this side of the pond is different, it is why there is such a fight to accept a powerful government, a welfare state etc when it's been accepted there for many years.Our nation is still fairly young and fought a bloody war in the 1700's to never live under tyranny again.After all that, we are close to being right back there under the "progressive" cancer that has spread in the last 100 years or so, but this is far worst than anything the King could have done back then.This is not paranoia, just look at the evidence.

The author understands the pure evil that is communism etc and can see the obvious, it is still a threat, it is a cancer, simply under another name(progressive) that is eating away at the US.Honestly, we are just about at the tipping point where we may cease to exist as supposed to be.

Tchocky

08-19-13, 09:56 AM

Still engrained in many european nations is the notion of being subservient........Our nation is still fairly young and fought a bloody war in the 1700's to never live under tyranny again.

Fair point. After all there are no European countries as young as the US. And certainly none that have fought against a colonial power for their own freedom.

Christ :dead:

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 09:59 AM

Fair point. After all there are no European countries as young as the US. And certainly none that have fought against a colonial power for their own freedom.

Christ :dead:

AGAIN, you are taking things the wrong way.I did not say that, but there are strong cultural differences overall, which was the basis for my response in another thread.I did not say ALL, I said many, one can not deny that part of the culuture is there in MANY European nations.Not all, but many.

Tribesman

08-19-13, 10:18 AM

Great book ..... MUST READ!
http://www.amazon.com/Cat-Hat-Beginner-Books/dp/039480001X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376925473&sr=1-1&keywords=cat+in+the+hat

Takeda Shingen

08-19-13, 10:22 AM

Betonov

08-19-13, 10:22 AM

One should really move here. (Former) communists telling the nation there's a communist plot to bring Slovenia back into communism, while the other former communists telling the nation the other communists want to make the country fascist :88)

mookiemookie

08-19-13, 10:30 AM

http://i.imgur.com/KqHVo1B.jpg

Subnuts

08-19-13, 10:31 AM

Still waiting for Everyone to the Left of Me Is A Communist: Why People Who Don't Think Like Me Really Piss Me Off.

Political books need to have more honest titles.

Oberon

08-19-13, 10:34 AM

Great book ..... MUST READ!
http://www.amazon.com/Cat-Hat-Beginner-Books/dp/039480001X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376925473&sr=1-1&keywords=cat+in+the+hat

Nonsense, Seuss knows nothing about cats or hats and his ignorance is clearly displayed in his work.

This book is much a much superior read:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Very-Hungry-Caterpillar-Board-Book/dp/0241003008/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376926197&sr=8-1

Or I guess you could read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Even-Worse-Than-Looks-ebook/dp/B007UPDFKA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376926388&sr=8-2 :hmmm:

Tribesman

08-19-13, 10:39 AM

You are ALL COMMUNISTS I tell ya, I seen the secret memo about your nefarious plot to take control of the treehouse.

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 10:42 AM

A must read:

Hofstadter, Richard; The Paranoid Style in American Politics; ISBN 978-0307388445

http://www.amazon.com/Paranoid-Style-American-Politics-Vintage/dp/0307388441

I won't attempt review such a classic here. This is a book that people worth their salt should know something about. Needless to say, it gives a great deal of insight into much of the prevailing slant you'll read on SubSim.

I have read that before and this was nothing more than a hit piece, author was wrong, going after Goldwater and the Conservative movement or the "pseudo conservative" movement as called it. I am sorry, but conservatives have been proven right.

Those who opposed the new deal saw the danger of that much government intervention and power, they knew the government would never cede the power again.They knew in the short term it would not help(it did not, WW II saved the economy) then when they argued against the great society they were said to be heartless, when they opposed the civil rights act of 64 they were called racist.They opposed it because the act was garbage and the saw the ramifications of such things as affirmative action.Did the oppose this because they are racist? Sure, some did. Just like now, many of the things passed by non whites is because they are racist.The push for "immigration reform" is racist. Were all racist? No.They saw the big picture, giving the federal government one inch is dangerous, because they will then take a mile.

Now fast forward all these years later.We have a country in debt due to the welfare state, we have a government with power it was never supposed to have.Spying on people, torturing people, prosecuting journalists under the espionage act, simply because they are mad about their crimes being exposed, attempting to control our healthcare, socially engineering the military and society(attempting to) and all the other evil that comes from a large, bureaucracy that is not constrained.

McCarthy went overboard and lost support but he was absolutely right about subversion by communists and other far left types.Goldwater was right about many things and if american people would not have been so easily duped(like they were in 2008 and 12) we would have a better country now, not the cesspool we currently have.

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 10:44 AM

You are ALL COMMUNISTS I tell ya, I seen the secret memo about your nefarious plot to take control of the treehouse.

DEFLECTION.Sad, yet amusing.

mookiemookie

08-19-13, 10:46 AM

I have read that before and this was nothing more than a hit piece, author was wrong, going after Goldwater and the Conservative movement or the "pseudo conservative" movement as called it. I am sorry, but conservatives have been proven right.

Hmm...it's almost as if Bub never actually read the book, but just read the first review on Amazon and then wrote this post making it seem like he read the book...hmm....

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IIP02BYCALN6/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0307388441&nodeID=283155&store=books

Oberon

08-19-13, 10:46 AM

http://007investigatingmedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/picture-2.png

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 10:48 AM

Still waiting for Everyone to the Left of Me Is A Communist: Why People Who Don't Think Like Me Really Piss Me Off.

Political books need to have more honest titles.

No, but the people mentioned in this book are communists or progressives, which is just the new name for communists. Honestly, look at who these people admire, follow, associate with etc. I'll never forget the Obama admin member...Anita Dunne I think her name was who said she admired MAO! MAO! This is not isolated, this is a common theme in the modern left.People are entitled to think what they want but when their beliefs(communist, socilist, progressive whatever) is so contradictory to the US constitution and what our country believes, they are not qualified to run it.

The greatest victory the left has had is convincing people the communist types are not a threat, it is sad.

Tribesman

08-19-13, 10:52 AM

DEFLECTION.Sad, yet amusing.
Young man, that is no deflection.
That is treating the content of the OP with all the merit it deserves.

Hmm...it's almost as if Bub never actually read the book, but just read the first review on Amazon and then wrote this post making it seem like he read the book...hmm....
I hope you are not suggesting bubbles is just making stuff up:03:

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 10:54 AM

Hmm...it's almost as if Bub never actually read the book, but just read the first review on Amazon and then wrote this post making it seem like he read the book...hmm....

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IIP02BYCALN6/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0307388441&nodeID=283155&store=books

No.There you go again, try to tear me down instead of offering something to counter because you have no argument. Instead you make ridiculous insinuations.You are, ugh nevermind.

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 10:55 AM

Young man, that is no deflection.
That is treating the content of the OP with all the merit it deserves.

I hope you are not suggesting bubbles is just making stuff up:03:

You make things up, you make accusations etc because don't like what I have to say, typical left wing tactic.Like I said, read the book, it's well sourced.Should open your eyes, then again, you can lead a horse to water...

Takeda Shingen

08-19-13, 11:00 AM

I have read that before and this was nothing more than a hit piece, author was wrong, going after Goldwater and the Conservative movement or the "pseudo conservative" movement as called it. I am sorry, but conservatives have been proven right.

Those who opposed the new deal saw the danger of that much government intervention and power, they knew the government would never cede the power again.They knew in the short term it would not help(it did not, WW II saved the economy) then when they argued against the great society they were said to be heartless, when they opposed the civil rights act of 64 they were called racist.They opposed it because the act was garbage and the saw the ramifications of such things as affirmative action.Did the oppose this because they are racist? Sure, some did. Just like now, many of the things passed by non whites is because they are racist.The push for "immigration reform" is racist. Were all racist? No.They saw the big picture, giving the federal government one inch is dangerous, because they will then take a mile.

Now fast forward all these years later.We have a country in debt due to the welfare state, we have a government with power it was never supposed to have.Spying on people, torturing people, prosecuting journalists under the espionage act, simply because they are mad about their crimes being exposed, attempting to control our healthcare, socially engineering the military and society(attempting to) and all the other evil that comes from a large, bureaucracy that is not constrained.

McCarthy went overboard and lost support but he was absolutely right about subversion by communists and other far left types.Goldwater was right about many things and if american people would not have been so easily duped(like they were in 2008 and 12) we would have a better country now, not the cesspool we currently have.

You know you have just proven Hostadter's point, right? Of course you don't; you haven't read the book. You won't read it either because you are happy with your paranoia. In other words, you are the problem.

And by the way "nuh-uh" is still not a counter argument. Go. Read. Learn. Then talk. But read and learn first.

Catfish

08-19-13, 11:09 AM

If people have prejudices, wouldn't it be a good idea to at least update those, from time to time ?
:hmmm:

Tribesman

08-19-13, 11:16 AM

You make things up, you make accusations etc because don't like what I have to say, typical left wing tactic.Like I said, read the book, it's well sourced.Should open your eyes, then again, you can lead a horse to water...
That's the second person this past week making the same silly claim.
So young man, provide a single example from anywhere on this forum to back up your ridiculous claim, or take your special place in the naughty corner.
BTW doesn't "well sourced" from that blogger translate as wild speculation and crazy assumption with an unhealthy dose of conspiracy theory and a hearty helping of loony ideology driven agenda?
Objective much?:rotfl2:

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 11:17 AM

You know you have just proven Hostadter's point, right? Of course you don't; you haven't read the book. You won't read it either because you are happy with your paranoia. In other words, you are the problem.

And by the way "nuh-uh" is still not a counter argument. Go. Read. Learn. Then talk. But read and learn first.

No I did not prove his point.Basically, he said that there is no threat, that those who talk about communists etc, the conservatives are just paranoid, crazy whatever.What a great way to go after the opposition. I don't know enough about the author to know if he was communist etc himself or if he honestly just did not see the threat. The problem with so many people is they refuse to see the threat, its complacency at it's worst.

Takeda Shingen

08-19-13, 11:26 AM

No I did not prove his point.Basically, he said that there is no threat, that those who talk about communists etc, the conservatives are just paranoid, crazy whatever.What a great way to go after the opposition. I don't know enough about the author to know if he was communist etc himself or if he honestly just did not see the threat. The problem with so many people is they refuse to see the threat, its complacency at it's worst.

The reason, dear Bubblehead, that you are so bad at this sort of thing is because you refuse to read the material. If you want to be some sort of great polemicist, which is what seems to your goal, then you have to do your homework. You cannot be lazy.

You are commenting on a book that you have clearly never read. Read it. Then try to talk about it, because you have now, for a second time, proven the author's point. Again, this is why you get beat in these sort of arguments. Your base of knowledge simply isn't wide enough, and you are getting to the end of the age bracket where youth and inexperience serves as an excuse.

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 11:50 AM

The reason, dear Bubblehead, that you are so bad at this sort of thing is because you refuse to read the material. If you want to be some sort of great polemicist, which is what seems to your goal, then you have to do your homework. You cannot be lazy.

You are commenting on a book that you have clearly never read. Read it. Then try to talk about it, because you have now, for a second time, proven the author's point. Again, this is why you get beat in these sort of arguments. Your base of knowledge simply isn't wide enough, and you are getting to the end of the age bracket where youth and inexperience serves as an excuse.

Tribes, you poor soul. I could say the sky is blue and you would argue against it, because it's personal for you.There are some on here who simply disagree with, there are two, you and one other other, where it's personal for you guys.Perhaps you know what I say is true, I attack your crazy ideology and pull no punches, the left relies on restraint from opponents.Really though, unless you have an actual response, do not talk to me.

Takeda Shingen

08-19-13, 12:00 PM

I'm not Tribesman.

Ducimus

08-19-13, 12:11 PM

Dunno why, just thought i'd toss this out there.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Liberty-Amendments-Restoring-American/dp/1451606273

If i was to sit down and read a book. I might read that one. As it is, I very much doubt i'll sit down and read any book for awhile.

Oberon

08-19-13, 12:49 PM

Tribes, you poor soul. I could say the sky is blue and you would argue against it,

I'm not Tribesman.

See! You've proved his point exactly, he said that you're Tribesman and you argued against it... :nope:

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 12:52 PM

Wolferz

08-19-13, 12:53 PM

When you find yourself knee deep in the cesspool... just change your job title to slop jockey man and hang around until someone pukes or gets out their wallet.:03:
You'll have to pay me to go away.:rock:

Bubblehead1980

08-19-13, 12:53 PM

I'm not Tribesman.

oops, you have same avatar, on my phone i thought it was him, you were sure acting like him.My mistake:arrgh!:

Tribesman

08-19-13, 01:37 PM

I'm not Tribesman.
And I don't do "ideology" so bubbles strikes himself out twice in that post:03:
Lets see if we can make it 3.

Ah yes "restraint".
You manage to get that backwards bubbles.
Like the Jones Limburghs and Becks of the world your "opponents" rely on your lack of restraint to make your ideology appear as the unhinged rant that it undeniably is.
Strike three:har:

Takeda Shingen

08-19-13, 01:55 PM

oops, you have same avatar, on my phone i thought it was him, you were sure acting like him.My mistake:arrgh!:

Now, now kid. Let's not get into who's acting like what.

EDIT: You know, even though I disagree with you, I am still trying to show you how not to suck at this. You keep failing the same way over, and over again. It is frustrating to watch. I can only emphasize that you need to read more, and read more varied material before trying this sort of discourse out. I would start with your writing itself. My recommendation is the Bedford Handbook, of which I think the 8th Edition is the most recent.

http://www.amazon.com/Bedford-Handbook-2009-Updates-Eighth/dp/0312652690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376941409&sr=1-1&keywords=bedford+handbook

This little gem is standard issue for every first-year student at the institution where I teach. You would be amazed how people will take your words more seriously with better punctuation and grammar. Secondly, I would recommend Inventing the Truth, The Art of Craft and Memoir by William Zinsser. This is another required text for first year students, and is a wonderful insight into the writing of a persuasive essay.

http://www.amazon.com/Inventing-Truth-Art-Craft-Memoir/dp/0395901502/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376941431&sr=1-1&keywords=inventing+the+truth+the+art+and+craft+of+ memoir+by+william+zinsser

With an understanding of the fundamentals, I think that your discourse will go a long, long way.

NOTE: Amazon is down at the time of this edit, but I will post the links to them once it is back up.

EDIT 2: Links added.

kraznyi_oktjabr

08-19-13, 02:34 PM

@Takeda, does that Bedford Handbook include explanation of grammatical differences between British and American English or does it focus solely into American English?

Takeda Shingen

08-19-13, 02:42 PM

@Takeda, does that Bedford Handbook include explanation of grammatical differences between British and American English or does it focus solely into American English?

Unfortunately, it is only for American English, and it won't explain the difference between the dialects. For that, I recommend John Alego's British or American English?; A Handbook of Word and Grammar Patterns.

http://www.amazon.com/British-American-English-Handbook-Patterns/dp/0521379938/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376941329&sr=1-3

This is a book that I, even as a native (American English) speaker refer to on a regular basis.

Skybird

08-19-13, 03:08 PM

One of the worst things that can happen to an obvious observation of reality, is happening in this thread: a highly polarizing statement gets the show started, in this case a book and author: and then the unfolding hack'n slay afterwards starts to give said obvious observation the looks and appearance of something hopelessly absurd and hilarious. That way, the true core in it gets overseen and actively denied.

There is no doubt in me that there is a very very obvious and strong tendency in modern Western voter-bribing democracies to bribe people to vote for political actors and parties by becoming more and more social (in the past), socialist (in the present), and communist (in the forseeable future), and that is an observation that is neither unique nor am I the first to have made it. When in the past I linked to Hoppe and Rothbard and Mises, you had the same, and it even goes back to the critical attitude of the ancient Greek regarding democracy, which for the most time they saw as something negative which better was to be avoided.

What Loudon seems to do (when I read the feedback on his books at American Amazon, and the Wikipedia entry on him) and what this thread also now does is linking this inner tendency of democracy to turn into a socialist and then communist regime it to superficial, stereotyped and person-related statements about political actor being "communist", conspiracy-linked, while missing that this is not so much a problem of conspiracy and a communist party trying to hijack nations, but that it is an integral, inbuilt, inherent trend-feature of the very democratic system itself. Seeing this means to realized that we are talking about a problem of much greater subtlety, complexity - and inherent threat, because you cannot solve it by just voting for other names, persons and parties. Without having read Loudon, I think it is possible that he exaggerates or is too superficial and stereotyped - nevertheless still points at the right direction when warning.

One thing is certain however when reading the feedback at Amazon.com: the guy is as polarizing as polarizing can go. Only 5 star and 1 star ratings. :D