Anyone in need of some spare parts?

[Jimbuna]

Wasn't aware China was still living in the dark ages and this practice still continued :o


A senior Chinese official has said the country will phase out the practice of taking organs from executed prisoners from November.
Huang Jiefu said China would now rely on using organs from voluntary donors under a new national donation system.
Prisoners used to account for two-thirds of transplant organs, based on previous estimates from state media.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-23722796

[Tribesman]

Wasn't aware China was still living in the dark ages and this practice still continued :o

The forced labour reform system has gotta turn a profit.
Harvesting the convicts after they can't work is just following the bottom line.
The same is true with people who are not convicted but are detained in the re-education through forced labour program.
In order for the west to compete against Chinese industry and its exports it needs to lower its workers conditions to an equivalent standard.

[Wolferz]

No thanks, Jim. I don't approve of swapping out biomechanical robot parts. If mine break, that's it for me. Transplants are for the selfish, the rich and the infamous.:hmmm:

[Schroeder]

No thanks, Jim. I don't approve of swapping out biomechanical robot parts. If mine break, that's it for me. Transplants are for the selfish, the rich and the infamous.:hmmm:
If someone suffers from a condition from birth on that can be cured with a donated organ I'm all for it. I knew a young lady who had to dialysis three times a week because of a kidney condition she had from birth on. Why should she refuse to get a donated kidney if it was offered to her? The dead guy is dead. I don't think he cares whether his organs continue to live or are rotting together with the rest of his body, so what is selfish about that?

[Aktungbby]

Wasn't aware China was still living in the dark ages and this practice still continued :o


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-23722796
Yup, that AK-47 or SKS round to the back of the head is swift and leaves the rest intact for harvesting. Next of kin cannot recover the remains as they are property of the state. There was a big article on this in some magazine (I'll re-research this)a few years back involving the profit margins and the subsequent tendancy toward the death penalty in the the highest death penalty country in the world... except for Texas of course. Naturally the English expression: "egad!, but I love men of his kidney!" was tacitly left out of polite conversation in nearby Hong Kong so as not to offend any recipients who had moved up on the transplant waiting list, which offered superior compatibility as well... :arrgh!:

[Gargamel]

To be honest I have no qualms about forcibly taking organs from prisoners after they're dead.

Having personally seen dozens of people die from waiting on the UNOS list, I truly feel there needs to be more available.

That's on principle. Now the Chinese judicial system is another topic altogether.

[Gargamel]

Yup, that AK-47 or SKS round to the back of the head is swift and leaves the rest intact for harvesting.

That's actually a horrible way to harvest organs. The cell death in certain organs is relatively quick. To keep the organs viable, you need to maintain the oxygenated blood flow to the organs. Not to mention the fact that eyes are a donor organ.

[fireftr18]

That's actually a horrible way to harvest organs. The cell death in certain organs is relatively quick. To keep the organs viable, you need to maintain the oxygenated blood flow to the organs. Not to mention the fact that eyes are a donor organ.
If I remember right from the donor organ class I had many moons ago, the overwhelming majority of donated organs come from those who died from traumatic injuries. I know Aktungbby was just joking, but I can see a regime like China's doing something like that.

[Wolferz]

If someone suffers from a condition from birth on that can be cured with a donated organ I'm all for it. I knew a young lady who had to dialysis three times a week because of a kidney condition she had from birth on. Why should she refuse to get a donated kidney if it was offered to her? The dead guy is dead. I don't think he cares whether his organs continue to live or are rotting together with the rest of his body, so what is selfish about that?

That's all well and good I suppose. I only stated that it's not for me.
I would like to ask if you know how many people have awakened in a hotel bath tub full of ice and discovered that someone had stolen one of their kidneys for some rich, undeserving POS who didn't think they should have to wait for one to become available?
Blood and organ donation has become big business, both on the regular medical market and the black market. There's too much room for abuse of it.

Call me selfish but, I'll play the hand that was dealt to me and take mine with me to the crematorium. Everyone else can do as they please. See how considerate I am? I'm not going to take up space in a hole in a cemetery.
:D

[Aktungbby]

It is worth noting, both from my live frog pithing for dissection in biology and Lincoln's own head wound, that a high velocity round to the medulla oblongata at the rear of the skull under the occiput bone, ('walnut' to a sniper) will not cause immediate death to rest of the body, making harvesting feasible for that 'golden hour' so familiar to first responders. Good enough for harvesting kidneys, livers, hearts and lungs. Could mess up a cornea or two however... A good aiming financially induced SKS man can augment his income thusly. I suspect our Sino amigos are averting some scandal about to erupt. No need to joke on this planet Fireftr18; just my Uboat number speaks for itself and those guys really put that ICON on the tower!.:arrgh!:

[Wolferz]

Harvesting the vegetable garden per se?

[Gargamel]

If I remember right from the donor organ class I had many moons ago, the overwhelming majority of donated organs come from those who died from traumatic injuries. I know Aktungbby was just joking, but I can see a regime like China's doing something like that.

Yes that is true, but they are then usually placed on various bypass machines that keep the oxygen flowing. There are then various cocktails to keep various organs viable.

If this is a planned "donation", a very humane and low risk method should be utilized to fully harvest everything possible.

[Wolferz]

In my estimation, having a donor organ placed in your body is akin to playing Russian roulette. You have no idea what kind of genetic abnormalities exist within that organ

It doesn't really matter though. From what I've been reading, soon we'll be able to manufacture a new organ with a 3D printer. Then you can play Amazing Grace at Sunday go to meeting.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

In my estimation, having a donor organ placed in your body is akin to playing Russian roulette. You have no idea what kind of genetic abnormalities exist within that organ

It doesn't really matter though. From what I've been reading, soon we'll be able to manufacture a new organ with a 3D printer. Then you can play Amazing Grace at Sunday go to meeting.Manufacturing new organs? Yes. With 3D print? No, not yet. Biological tissue is still a bit too complicated material for todays 3D printers and I'm afraid near futures too.

[Aktungbby]

In my estimation, having a donor organ placed in your body is akin to playing Russian roulette. You have no idea what kind of genetic abnormalities exist within that organ

It doesn't really matter though. From what I've been reading, soon we'll be able to manufacture a new organ with a 3D printer. Then you can play Amazing Grace at Sunday go to meeting.
NO kidding herr wolfertz! In one recent case a donor thought to have expired from pneumonia turned out to have died of RABIES. everyone (5) but the corneal transplant recipient died! :dead::arrgh!:

[Aktungbby]

Yes that is true, but they are then usually placed on various bypass machines that keep the oxygen flowing. There are then various cocktails to keep various organs viable.

If this is a planned "donation", a very humane and low risk method should be utilized to fully harvest everything possible.
I'll have a cocktail please...with Viagra on the rocks!:arrgh!:

[CaptainHaplo]

While I agree that the Chinese "justice system" is an altogether different topic, I have to say that I don't take issue with putting a condemned person to death in a way that maximizes their post-mortem contribution to society.....

Seems like the least that should happen, really.

[Wolferz]

The Chinese probably practice execution via organ harvest.:huh: It guarantees freshness and saves money on ammo.

[Fubar2Niner]

Organ Harvest?

Does this mean parents will be trying to outdo each other so their kids can take the better organs to school or church?

[Jimbuna]

Organ Harvest?

Does this mean parents will be trying to outdo each other so their kids can take the better organs to school or church?

Heaven forbid :o

[CaptainHaplo]

OK seriously - is there an objection to using organs harvested from the condemned? I mean, we put to death a number of criminals a year. Justice system questions aside, should we not at the least look to use those organs of the condemned to better the lives of others?

I ask this seriously, lets debate it.

[Jimbuna]

Here in the UK I believe it would be a breach of The Human Rights Act if prior consent hadn't been given.

[Aktungbby]

Here in the UK I believe it would be a breach of The Human Rights Act if prior consent hadn't been given.
Actually that's covered in Magna Carta under beheadings, drawing and quartering and posting body parts to to points of the realm without proper refrigeration...not to include heads on spikes for instant crowd gratification on traitors gate at the tower where the twa' corbies are prone to the eyes!:arrgh!: