Pre-War Bloomer Girl

[Armistead]

I was just watching a 1933 Bettie Davis film. This movie was before code. The movie itself was a 30's era portrayal. Bettie and husband often flirting and plotting with other people. Bettie went on a date with another man, who started flirting, obvious wanting sex, but she wouldn't go that far and he called her a "Pre-war Bloomer Girl"

That is twice I've heard this said in a early 30's movie.

What exactly does it mean? It seemed to imply she was a tease...., but online all I find is insult or bloomer girls playing baseball, etc...Not sure which war or what this is about.


Thought maybe one of you old timers would know.

[Tchocky]

Haven't a clue but I'm curious now :)

[WernherVonTrapp]

Here, try this link out. It appears to relate to a specific fashion trend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomer_Girl

[Wolferz]

This should 'splainit...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/R129_1L.jpg

A pre-war bloomer girl was probably a derogatory reference toward a tease. The ladies in the factories of the day wore the coveralls pictured here. They were called Bloomers because they resembled late, late 1800's style ladies underwear. On a side note; I wonder what that doughboy is holding in his right hand with that wry smile?:03:
Oh, wait. It's a cannon lanyard.:oops:

Or she was a baseball player in the latter half of the 1800's...
http://www.heilwood.com/people/sports/bloomer-girls/

Or maybe Bettie was being called Roger Hornsby?

I dunno. :lost::O:

[Sailor Steve]

Since everyone seems to be repeating the mistake (well, two of you anyway), I feel it only fair to point out that Bette Davis didn't have an 'i' in her first name.

[Armistead]

Since everyone seems to be repeating the mistake (well, two of you anyway), I feel it only fair to point out that Bette Davis didn't have an 'i' in her first name.

I didn't think so, but I asked my wife before I typed, so I'll tell her she's a dummy. I know she changed it Bettie or Betty to Bette.

Anyway, I tried searching "girl shows bloomers to soldier" and got this,
a WW1 Shaw postcard. Is it possibly saying that since her man is gone, she doesn't care what she shows to other men? That would make sense the way it's used in the movies, but who knows.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WW1-STOCKER-SHAW-POSTCARD-GIRL-SHOWING-KNICKERS-BLOOMERS-PINES-FOR-SOLDIER-BOY-/00/s/MTA0MFgxNjAw/z/k0AAAOxy~hdR2XR9/$T2eC16RHJIMFHJF9O4k,BR2(R9UMJ!~~60_12.JPG

[Aktungbby]

Since everyone seems to be repeating the mistake (well, two of you anyway), I feel it only fair to point out that Bette Davis didn't have an 'i' in her first name.
No but she has Betty Davis 'i's! The Bloomer Girl is from the 1851 panteloon designed by Amelia Bloomer to enable middle class ladies to play baseball, ride bikes and attend spas of the time in relative comfort. At first not worn in public as a function of Victorian mores, this aspect went by the boards as the rise of the suffragettes and womens' movements adopted the attire for public demonstration. Practical ladies, knowing a good thing in fashion when it comes to comfort and plain old practicality, kept it public thereafter and men, liking what they saw, said let 'em vote too! Factotum Veratum Sartorum!

[Cybermat47]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/R129_1L.jpg


O-kay... is it just me or does the Doughboy look more like a German soldier? And is that a toothbrush moustache the girl's got? :hmmm:

[Schroeder]

Why would he look German?
German uniforms were grey and the helmet doesn't fit at all.:doh:

Here is a late war German soldier (just a re-enactment kit but the best colored picture I could find).
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/6130373837373738.jpg
The earlier helmets still hat a spike on them:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/54/1012554/6631323866333430.jpg

[Cybermat47]

Why would he look German?
German uniforms were grey and the helmet doesn't fit at all.:doh:

Here is a late war German soldier (just a re-enactment kit but the best colored picture I could find).


Exactly! The uniform's completely different... BUT HE STILL LOOKS GERMAN! :/\\!!

Maybe it's the round, jolly face :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

No but she has Betty Davis 'i's! The Bloomer Girl is from the 1851 panteloon designed by Amelia Bloomer to enable middle class ladies to play baseball, ride bikes and attend spas of the time in relative comfort. At first not worn in public as a function of Victorian mores, this aspect went by the boards as the rise of the suffragettes and womens' movements adopted the attire for public demonstration. Practical ladies, knowing a good thing in fashion when it comes to comfort and plain old practicality, kept it public thereafter and men, liking what they saw, said let 'em vote too! Factotum Veratum Sartorum!

Rgr that and plenty of photographic examples here:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bloomer+girls&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=q6QMUqKoFufP0AXZ9YHQDg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1344&bih=722

[Wolferz]

By the way Amelia Bloomer didn't design that clothing. She adopted it from a friend who did.:hmmm:

Yes Steve I know Bette spelled her name without the Y or the I.

Try not to be so picke.:03:

[Sailor Steve]

If you knew, why did you continue the error? :O:

Try not to be so picke.:03:
Pickie? Puckish? Peckish?

Now I'm hungry.

[August]

Jackboots are the main historical identifying mark of a German soldier.

I asked my wife about the term "Pre-War Bloomer Girl" and she actually had heard of it. Apparently they were called "Rationals" after the Civil War (hence the pre-war reference) and were advocates for reform of womens clothing for for more practical purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_dress_reform

[Wolferz]

I hates spelling and history lessons. Especially when Steve pees his bloomers over a mistake.:03::shifty::haha:

[Armistead]

Jackboots are the main historical identifying mark of a German soldier.

I asked my wife about the term "Pre-War Bloomer Girl" and she actually had heard of it. Apparently they were called "Rationals" after the Civil War (hence the pre-war reference) and were advocates for reform of womens clothing for for more practical purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_dress_reform

Yea, I can find several remarks as such and all the bloomer info online, but the way it's used it the 30's seems to imply {sex tease.} Seems strange it would be a CW reference, more likely WW1.

Again, in both movies I've heard the statement, it was before code and both women were married, but came close to stepping out. As with Bette, she was being a big flirt, the man asked her to go to his house for the night. She flirted, like she might, then said something like "We best not do that", then he told her not to act like a PWBG. Course, after she said no, she saw her husband having dinner with another woman and left with the man, so I guess the bloomers came off afterall...

[AVGWarhawk]

Bloomer girls are like bloomers(the item of clothing). Difficult, complicated and hard to get into. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Bloomer girls are like bloomers(the item of clothing). Difficult, complicated and hard to get into. :03:

:yeah::hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

That is my answer and I'm sticking to it. :)

[August]

Yet apparently they were an improvement over hoop skirts and other more medieval women's fashions. The sheer mechanics of undressing a woman was mind boggling. Makes us wonder how we managed to procreate in those days.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yet apparently they were an improvement over hoop skirts and other more medieval women's fashions. The sheer mechanics of undressing a woman was mind boggling. Makes us wonder how we managed to procreate in those days.

If there is a will there is a way. :up:

[Jimbuna]

Yet apparently they were an improvement over hoop skirts and other more medieval women's fashions. The sheer mechanics of undressing a woman was mind boggling. Makes us wonder how we managed to procreate in those days.

Must have been quite a handy tool on its day :)

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6005/vfda.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/547/vfda.png/)

[Sailor Steve]

I hates spelling and history lessons. Especially when Steve pees his bloomers over a mistake.:03::shifty::haha:
You only hate them because you get them wrong so much. :rotfl2: Besides, it wasn't a history or spelling lesson. You got the poor woman's name wrong. :dead:

I haven't peed anything. I merely pointed it out. You seem to be the one with his bloomers in a twist over it. :O:

[Garion]

This should 'splainit...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb295/Wolferz_2007/R129_1L.jpg

A pre-war bloomer girl was probably a derogatory reference toward a tease. The ladies in the factories of the day wore the coveralls pictured here. They were called Bloomers because they resembled late, late 1800's style ladies underwear. On a side note; I wonder what that doughboy is holding in his right hand with that wry smile?:03:
Oh, wait. It's a cannon lanyard.:oops:

Or she was a baseball player in the latter half of the 1800's...
http://www.heilwood.com/people/sports/bloomer-girls/

Or maybe Bettie was being called Roger Hornsby?

I dunno. :lost::O:

That girl is Hitler cross-dressing, the moustache is a dead give away :woot:

I'll get my coat.

Cheers

gary

[Armistead]

I hates spelling and history lessons. Especially when Steve pees his bloomers over a mistake.:03::shifty::haha:

Damn Hypocrite!

You've corrected me 3 times this month for spelling, misuse, ect. Steve, only one correction this month.

You're a Pot!

[Armistead]

Yet apparently they were an improvement over hoop skirts and other more medieval women's fashions. The sheer mechanics of undressing a woman was mind boggling. Makes us wonder how we managed to procreate in those days.


I use to enjoy when my wife dressed like that. We would go to ball dances during CW re-enactments. I rather enjoyed working my way through the lace, garters, bloomers, hoops, etc...

[Wolferz]

Bloomer girls are like bloomers(the item of clothing). Difficult, complicated and hard to get into. :03:

Buy the right size and you're good to go.:up:

[Wolferz]

Damn Hypocrite!

You've corrected me 3 times this month for spelling, misuse, ect. Steve, only one correction this month.

You're a Pot!

Neener to you Pa Kettle! :haha:
What does ECT (Electro Convulsive Therapy) have to do with the topic? Et cetera or etcetera is abbreviated etc.

I'm not dogging you. That's Bear's job. Just edumacating.:know:
If Steve only got you once, he's either laying down on the job or deemed you a hopeless case and given up.

[Aktungbby]

I hates spelling and history lessons. Especially when Steve pees his bloomers over a mistake.:03::shifty::haha:
That would be a button up-union suit with trapdoor; Sailor Steve does not crossdress!:arrgh!:

[Sailor Steve]

You can't say that! You don't know me at...

Wait, whut? :doh:

[Aktungbby]

Yet apparently they were an improvement over hoop skirts and other more medieval women's fashions. The sheer mechanics of undressing a woman was mind boggling. Makes us wonder how we managed to procreate in those days.
Der slippery eel alvays gets thru to der convoy!:arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

Buy the right size and you're good to go.:up:

Then it would be a sleeping bag. :03:

[Wolferz]

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:
OWW! my sides!:huh:

[Armistead]

Neener to you Pa Kettle! :haha:
What does ECT (Electro Convulsive Therapy) have to do with the topic? Et cetera or etcetera is abbreviated etc.

I'm not dogging you. That's Bear's job. Just edumacating.:know:
If Steve only got you once, he's either laying down on the job or deemed you a hopeless case and given up.

Looky here Wolferz, I'm tired of this crap. I'm mostly reduced to typing on a laptop, which I cannot get my fingers adjusted. I've also noticed I misuse words all the time and don't know what is wrong. I may type hear for here or two for too. Maybe I'm getting old, maybe it's the meds. I damn near have to edit five times....all because of you and Steve. I'm not doing it ANYMORE, it is what it is.

However, you complaining about Steve, when you're as bad as he is. In fact, you two are just alike. No insult intended STEVE.

[Aktungbby]

I use to enjoy when my wife dressed like that. We would go to ball dances during CW re-enactments. I rather enjoyed working my way through the lace, garters, bloomers, hoops, etc...
Do a video of that and open a sutler tent at he next reenactment! The "etc" would be those crotchless pantaloons so convenient in a cramped out-house of the day. Revisit Scarlet Ohara at the ball scene. No wonder they went for the pantaloons. In the battle of the sexes, the frontal assault with bayonets fixed is fraught with peril! :arrgh!:

[Wolferz]

Do a video of that and open a sutler tent at he next reenactment! The "etc" would be those crotchless pantaloons so convenient in a cramped out-house of the day. Revisit Scarlet Ohara at the ball scene. No wonder they went for the pantaloons. In the battle of the sexes, the frontal assault with bayonets fixed is fraught with peril! :arrgh!:

There's the rub. Armistead, like his namesake, is always running around with his bayonet exposed.:03:

[Aktungbby]

There's the rub. Armistead, like his namesake, is always running around with his bayonet exposed.:03:
That was his sword! In any case it was his last cutlery soiree...:arrgh!:

[Wolferz]

That was his sword! In any case it was his last cutlery soiree...:arrgh!:

Armistead was wounded during Pickett's charge and then captured by Union forces. He survived his wounds but died of an unrelated illness not long afterwards. Probably VD. But who knows or cares?

Profuse apologies to you Armistead. I was unaware that you had been demoted to using a See and Say for your computing needs. I'll not correct you again for fear of twisting your bloomers in a knot. Besides, you might break the pull string in your frustration and render yourself unable to post.

The cow says Mooooo.

[AVGWarhawk]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EFN4BfPKL.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

I damn near have to edit five times....all because of you and Steve.
Thanks to my OCD I always have to edit at least five times, and half the time I still get it wrong. Now you've found me out - misery loves company. :O:

I'm not doing it ANYMORE, it is what it is.
Good for you! It gives me headaches when I see someone mangle the language, so I have to say something or explode. You get to ignore me. We're both happy. :sunny:

[Armistead]

Do a video of that and open a sutler tent at he next reenactment! The "etc" would be those crotchless pantaloons so convenient in a cramped out-house of the day. Revisit Scarlet Ohara at the ball scene. No wonder they went for the pantaloons. In the battle of the sexes, the frontal assault with bayonets fixed is fraught with peril! :arrgh!:

Ah, a man of true knowledge.

At the larger enactments, it was common to steal pantaloons and make flags out of em. Sometimes we carried them into battle. But the fun really began at the dances when the drinking began. The girls would come in, well, best I PM the rest of the story.

[Armistead]

There's the rub. Armistead, like his namesake, is always running around with his bayonet exposed.:03:

Yea,I would slide my hat over it....

[AVGWarhawk]

Yea,I would slide my hat over it....

Well, you know what they say about men with big hats.

[Armistead]

Armistead was wounded during Pickett's charge and then captured by Union forces. He survived his wounds but died of an unrelated illness not long afterwards. Probably VD. But who knows or cares?

Profuse apologies to you Armistead. I was unaware that you had been demoted to using a See and Say for your computing needs. I'll not correct you again for fear of twisting your bloomers in a knot. Besides, you might break the pull string in your frustration and render yourself unable to post.

The cow says Mooooo.

Feel free to correct, but don't complain when someone smarter than you points you're numerous errors. Honestly, when I came here from Ubi, I thought you were Steve, until I realized he was smarter.

Haha, you're not so smart, I don't wear bloomers now, I prefer panties, much cooler when charging the enemy.

Funny, my wife put an ad for kennel help on the FB page. Talking about rednecks, a girl responded. I'm serious.

"OK cool, my baby is due next month and rely need a job. Uh, do you have insurance and can I bring baby to work when my mom can't watch it"

IT....hahaha. Even funnier....insurance...:haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

Haha, you're not so smart, I don't wear bloomers now, I prefer panties, much cooler when charging the enemy.



I figured you as a thong wearer. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Well, you know what they say about men with big hats.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/493682980_400946f18c.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=mexican+hat+funny&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=99BM___eytyPLM&tbnid=srlji_LnJ_EFJM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pleated-jeans.com%2F2009%2F09%2F17%2Fhow-to-work-a-sombrero-into-your-everyday-wardrobe%2F&ei=2TUNUq-7ENDv0gXdnoDoDA&bvm=bv.50768961,d.d2k&psig=AFQjCNFndsbe0X17WzRl2oYtHrp-KaZrPg&ust=1376683856117239)

[AVGWarhawk]

:haha:

[Jimbuna]

When I'm sunbathing whilst abroad the hats are in reverse order :O:

[Armistead]

Well, you know what they say about men with big hats.

Was that another insult towards me?

I left Ubi because of the constant insults, spelling lessons, hick jokes, etc.

Am I do be an insult beating board here as well?

If I'm not wanted around here, someone just say so!

[AVGWarhawk]

Was that another insult towards me?

I left Ubi because of the constant insults, spelling lessons, hick jokes, etc.

Am I do be an insult beating board here as well?

If I'm not wanted around here, someone just say so!


O'come on old yeller. Ain't no'uns giv'in ya a hard time. Simmer ye'self down. :O:

[AVGWarhawk]

When I'm sunbathing whilst abroad the hats are in reverse order :O:

It was on your big toe? :hmmm:

[Armistead]

I figured you as a thong wearer. :hmmm:


I can wear a thong, got some pictures around here somewhere if you wanna see?

[AVGWarhawk]

I can wear a thong, got some pictures around here somewhere if you wanna see?

I will just have to take your word on it. :up:

[Wolferz]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EFN4BfPKL.jpg

Armistead is so photogenic. Yes?:D Is that the Thomas the Tank Engine version? I love trains. My eyes are green with envy. :dead:

[Sailor Steve]

If I'm not wanted around here, someone just say so!
SO!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :O:

You'd better know I'm just kidding. You started one of my favorite threads. :yeah:

[Armistead]

I'm much better looking at that age. I'm the good looking one with my blonde older skinny brother standing beside me.

Anyway, I know you're laughing with me, not at me, so it's all good..



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[Sailor Steve]

I can wear a thong, got some pictures around here somewhere if you wanna see?
No, thanks. Privateer already ruined my life with his chainmail codpiece. :dead:

[Wolferz]

Was that another insult towards me?

I left Ubi because of the constant insults, spelling lessons, hick jokes, etc.

Am I do be an insult beating board here as well?

If I'm not wanted around here, someone just say so!

MWolfe the Drama Queen. :wah: You pulled this same shtick over at Ubisoft, where you started the war the second you started posting there. Don't let him try to fool you guys.:-? He loves the attention.
I'm surprised your tag line doesn't read.... " Who's the best guy here with two thumbs?"

:yeah:Armistead.

PS: I'm with Steve...

SO:03:

[Wolferz]

When I'm sunbathing whilst abroad the hats are in reverse order :O:

Got any pictures of you while you're a broad? I knew you Englishman liked to cross dress from all those Monty Python skits.:03: Do you use two hats or three? Well, ya gotta keep the bugs out of your beer. Right?. I would expect humility and the use of five hats.:O:

[Armistead]

No, thanks. Privateer already ruined my life with his chainmail codpiece. :dead:

Yea, that picture or Tarjak in bed caused enough trauma around here...

[Armistead]

" Who's the best guy here with two thumbs?"

:yeah:Armistead.

PS: I'm with Steve...

SO:03:

Hurtful....

Anyways, I'm going tub'n down the river tomorrow with Bear. Got me a used tractor tube from a farmer with a lounge chair tied to it. I may not be much around here, but in my town, I'm the man.....

[WernherVonTrapp]

I'm much better looking at that age. I'm the good looking one with my blonde older skinny brother standing beside me...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12833_104135876267886_4667593_n.jpg
I didn't know you wore glasses.:hmmm:

[Wolferz]

I didn't know you wore glasses.:hmmm:


And he can't be bothered with tucking in a shirt tail. Too busy stealing babies.:03:

[Wolferz]

Anyways, I'm going tub'n down the river tomorrow with Bear. Got me a used tractor tube from a farmer with a lounge chair tied to it. I may not be much around here, but in my town, I'm the man.....


Was the barnyard raft the prize for best bloomers at the state fair up in Raleigh this year?

Bear can swim, right? I'm only concerned because we all know what happens when you get a prick too close to a balloon. Have fun on the river. Bring duct tape.:sunny:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm much better looking at that age. I'm the good looking one with my blonde older skinny brother standing beside me.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12833_104135876267886_4667593_n.jpg

Didn't you say on another thread we might be distantly related?

Maybe not so distantly.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/SteveStuff/Young%20Steve/1954ManhattanBeach8.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/SteveStuff/Young%20Steve/1954ManhattanBeach8.jpg.html)

[Wolferz]

You might be one of those stolen babies Steve.:)

[Aktungbby]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/493682980_400946f18c.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=mexican+hat+funny&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=99BM___eytyPLM&tbnid=srlji_LnJ_EFJM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pleated-jeans.com%2F2009%2F09%2F17%2Fhow-to-work-a-sombrero-into-your-everyday-wardrobe%2F&ei=2TUNUq-7ENDv0gXdnoDoDA&bvm=bv.50768961,d.d2k&psig=AFQjCNFndsbe0X17WzRl2oYtHrp-KaZrPg&ust=1376683856117239)
Carumba! uno mas and it'll be a hat trick!!:arrgh!:

[Armistead]

Do a video of that and open a sutler tent at he next reenactment! The "etc" would be those crotchless pantaloons so convenient in a cramped out-house of the day. Revisit Scarlet Ohara at the ball scene. No wonder they went for the pantaloons. In the battle of the sexes, the frontal assault with bayonets fixed is fraught with peril! :arrgh!:

"I maintain that a neatly booted foot and a well shaped ankle, in conjunction with a white petticoat and tight stocking will make amends for many other defects. Young men is it not so? Yes, you confess it"

[AVGWarhawk]

Tubing is awesome. I tubed on the Gun Powder here in MD. Most fun.

[Aktungbby]

"I maintain that a neatly booted foot and a well shaped ankle, in conjunction with a white petticoat and tight stocking will make amends for many other defects. Young men is it not so? Yes, you confess it"
Only to my confessor!...PECAVI!:arrgh!:

[Aktungbby]

Tubing is awesome. I tubed on the Gun Powder here in MD. Most fun.
DUMPKOPF! the gun powder goes IN the tube -even more fun...and a bigger bang! I tubed on the Apple River WI.:arrgh!: